In our opinion: America should be concerned about the next 150 years, not the next 150 days

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  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    May 13, 2019 4:24 p.m.

    @marrxist

    It is interesting you note that '...about 1970 American capital quit rewarding labor for increased productivity..." I used to think that inflation, which started tearing it's ugly head, began then too, right around the Bretton Woods declaration by Nixon taking the US off the gold standard.

    Women had begun in the 1960's ever more leaving the home to work outside the home.

    In 2005, Elizabeth Warren, (then Harvard Law professor, with a sub-specialty in bankruptcy law), published a compelling book called The Two-Income Trap, detailing how when women left home to work for $, households' finances became ever more fragile.

    Most supposed 2 incomes would make family finances ever more secure. The law of unintended consequences kicked in, & the opposite happened.

    "Making bank" instead of babies pushed up market demand & up prices. Employers, like employees, worked to do more with less. This led them to sell off or move out, to cheaper places (i.e., asia).

    More plants closed, wages were pushed down by the Fed's moves to reduce inflation (nothing is done in a vacuum).

    By the 80's, bankers were getting evermore consumers stuck in debt servitude.

    Result? See Bible - Haggai 1:6

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 13, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    Republicans are working to turn a profit right now. Democrats are working to preserve things and make decisions that will benefit future generations (yes, sometimes even at the expense of today).

    I wonder which party is more concerned about the next 150 days and which one is more concerned about the next 150 years?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    I agree, but the long view requires us to assess the changes happening to our economic system, i.e. the enormous inequality in it. About 1970 American capital quit rewarding labor for increased productivity. This has had devastating consequences. Taking the long view requires us to take the long view both to the past and the future, and it is going to be really hard to do.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    May 13, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    Most interestingly, Orson Pratt send this second, more terrible civil war would begin over politics when those on one side and those on the other would be roughly equal.

    is that not what it has been since Hillary won the popular vote, and Trump won the electoral vote?

    Both Taylor and Pratt said that it would not be like the last civil war. But is, it would not be the north against the South, but rather it would be neighbor against neighbor, neighborhood against neighborhood, City against City, county against county, State against state.

    David Whitmer said that this great civil war would proceed both lie translation of the sealed portion of the book of Mormon by another Marty and great one that the Lord would raise up, like I'm to Joseph Smith; and also before the temple in Independence Missouri would be erected.

    All were in agreement that the brutality of this second civil war would be far greater than that of the first. Furthermore, the implication seems to be then that we need to be very prepared for this one. I would think food storage would be a paramount concern. Orson Pratt indicated that this civil war would last for a number of years. Few will survive it.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    May 13, 2019 6:26 a.m.

    I agree, unity is the ideal.

    But sadly, those on each side don't fully realize their opposition to each other isn't merely for political power, but is genuinely an existential threat to all.

    David Whitmer, John Taylor & Orson Pratt, all prophesied after the US Civil War of a coming civil war that will far eclipse that earlier one.

    Pride & wickedness both are why no side is backing down. They presuppose they will prevail. But, none of them will even survive.

    Whitmer called the next civil war a "smashing up of this nation". John Taylor said it will happen both in Europe and here. Pratt said both manufacturing and large scale agriculture will cease due to roving maurading mobs.

    Quotes I read are found in the Deseret News of 1878, and in the Journal of Discourses.