Elite 6-foot-8 Utah Utes 2019 WR commit Darren Jones signs with Snow College

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  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 13, 2019 12:26 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “BYU was censured by the AAUP back in the 1990s and remains censured as of this very moment.”

    First of all, “censure” is NOT the same thing as “academic probation”. The AAUP has ZERO authority to put BYU on probation for anything.

    Secondly, BYU’s academic freedom policy was approved by BYU’s accrediting organization, the Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities when they particularly examined and reviewed BYU’s academic freedom policy in 1996 and approved it.

    BYU doesn’t have any plans to try being removed from the AAUP censure list, which is nothing more than a reference for professors.

    Hundreds of professors have been hired at BYU since 1996, so the censure is obviously a non-issue for them.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 13, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    @ Gandalph,

    Yes, I am Ute grad. Is my last name, "Romney," a "fable" in the LDS world? Please try to be respectful and do research into facts.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 13, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    @ Gandalph,

    If you would be so kind, before you emotionally call folks out, please get on Google and absorb some facts.

    Yes indeed, BYU was censured by the AAUP back in the 1990s and remains censured as of this very moment.

    Also, I have members of my family tree that were accepted to BYU, even recently, that aren't even close academically or faced standard Y criteria. I know many others as well.......and it is "TRUE" kind sir.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 13, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "As an addition to your valid claims about BYU athletics, it is also FACT that kids from notable LDS families are sponsored and admitted to the Y with very substandard grades and qualifications."

    Nope, that's just another Ute fan fable.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 13, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    BSR

    "Also, just a friendly reminder that BYU-P has been on academic probation for the past 30 years."

    That's a flat out lie, on you know it!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 11, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    @ ArizonaUte,

    As an addition to your valid claims about BYu athletics, it is also FACT that kids from notable LDS families are sponsored and admitted to the Y with very substandard grades and qualifications. One must realize what BYU/LDS require in their students.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 11, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    @ ArizonaUte,

    You are 100% spot on. The Y just needs to feel important is all.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 10, 2019 5:07 p.m.

    @water rocket - , 00
    @Gruncle Ralph - Salt Lake City, UT

    BYU, for student athletes out of HS, employs the same exact standard set forth by the NCAA Clearinghouse minimums.

    If they can get into any D-1 program, they can get into BYU. And there are MANY such kids in BYU's program today who met ONLY that minimum. There always has been. And will continue to be. You wouldn't have a competitive football program otherwise.

    Ask Holmoe. I have.

    As for staying in school. They seem to make it. With tutors, study halls, dedicated times and spaces for players of all sports to make grades, they make it.

    Otherwise over 50% of your team would change over every yr.

    This "higher academic standard" narrative is just wrong and a true excuse for not getting the better kids.

    Preferred walk-ons and transfers (not graduated transfers) have a higher standard at BYU. But not HS scholarship kids.

    For scholarship athletes out of HS, there is literally no higher academic standard at BYU than any other D-1 program.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 10, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    Mike:
    "The last freshman athlete who almost any realistic college football fan in the state of Utah could deem truly "elite" is Utah cornerback Jaylon Johnson."

    Agree! Now THAT guy is an elite recruit and has been a stud for Utah. He's not just good, but a game-changer. I would love to have him in UGA's secondary this year with all the young guys we have back there. JJ should be first round for sure...would you throw to his side if you were QB? Yeah me neither.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 10, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    @ Gruncle Ralph,

    BYU is very impressive indeed! My buddy from high school who ran track at the Y loved his anthropology class. He got to see Adam and Eve. That is way cool!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 10, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    @ Uteology,

    If you add fine arts, Utah eclipses BYU ny a long-shot. The last good jazz band BYU had was in 1979........and they weren't that good. Nowadays......the music dept at the Y is not even a consideration.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 10, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    @Gruncle Ralph - Salt Lake City, UT
    Getting into school at BYU isn't the issue, it's being able to survive in an academically rigorous environment where every other student in your class were 3.9-4.0 gpa students in their high schools.

    Its not like the community school up north after all where the classes are more geared towards being average.

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    Last time I checked Utah's degree programs are ranked higher. STEM programs in particular:

    Biological Sciences: Utah #55 BYU #139
    Computer Science: Utah #40 BYU #90
    Chemistry: Utah #35 BYU #106
    Math: Utah #34 BYU #73
    Physics: Utah #65 BYU #111
    Engineer: Utah #52 BYU #102

    Source: US News

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 10, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    CougarForever :

    "Utah just lost one of their recruits to an FCS school (albeit a good one)?! "

    FCS school? Hmmm ... seems to me that Snow is a junior college.

    Darren - just remember these names:

    - Mat Asiata
    - Star Lotutletei
    - Garrett Bolles

    Snow - Utah - NFL

    Go Utes!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 10, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    Best of luck to Jones at Snow.

    We'll see him on the hill after he gets his degree from Snow.

    Go Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 10, 2019 12:17 p.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs,

    I totally agree with you almost always and in this instant as well.......as we try to evaluate all things the best we can, as always.

    The last freshman athlete who almost any realistic college football fan in the state of Utah could deem truly "elite" is Utah cornerback Jaylon Johnson. He will be a junior at Utah this season. If he continues on his trajectory, plays great yet again, he is a TRUE 1st round NFL draft pick and will forgo his senior season at Utah. The only other player that could be considered "elite" is Britain Covey. But, he is always injured.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 10, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs,

    I'd also include Utah State QB Jordan Love and Utah nickel back Javelin Guidry, the fastest college athlete in the nation and the fastest football player on this planet.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 10, 2019 11:43 a.m.

    Uteology:
    "Darren Jones: 4 star 5.9
    Makiya Tongue: 4 star 5.8

    So Tongue isn't an elite WR?"

    =================

    Ah, you went for my heart there, well played. I am a Makiya Tongue fan, I think he's got great upside. But while most UGA fans love MT, I don't know any that consider him an elite recruit. They do, however, consider George Pickens and Dominick Blaylock elite recruits as both are top 5 WRs (5-star, and high 4-star...both top 40 overall) in the 2019 class. I'll be cheering for Tongue to follow his dad to the NFL, but he might be better suited playing his dad's position instead of WR (I think he'll play safety when its all said and done...again just my opinion).

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 10, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    Azute:
    "4-Star equates to elite.....It’s not just reserved for 5-stars."

    Not really...there's a lot of 4 star guys out there that are good, but not really elite. I think elite is a term thrown around too lightly (not just by the DN). To me elite means top 10 at your position, top 60-70 overall (and even that is a stretch). Elite is the very best of the best, not an average, barely top 300 4-star. DJ was the 36th rated WR in the country (not including ATHs who will play receiver...he may actually be like 40th). Do U consider that elite?

    Anyway, just my opinion, and U can certainly disagree.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 10, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin,

    You are 100% correct! If you want a real education in the state of Utah......attend the U or Utah State.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 10, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    @Gruncle Ralph

    Also, just a friendly reminder that BYU-P has been on academic probation for the past 30 years. That automatically disqualifies you from any discussion about being a top university.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 10, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    @Guncle Ralph

    "Getting into school at BYU isn't the issue, it's being able to survive in an academically rigorous environment where every other student in your class were 3.9-4.0 gpa students in their high schools."

    That's rich. BYU-P was the school that got busted by the NCAA for offering online classes to athletes all over the country where everyone got an automatic A.

    Regarding the rest of the student body: If BYU-P takes in such smart kids, why is their lifetime average earning far below Utah's? Utah takes the "average" kids and they end up out-earning the "smart" BYU-P kids...I wonder which university is more rigorous?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 10, 2019 9:24 a.m.

    @ Gruncle Ralph,

    There are plenty of uber easy classes at BYU and they don't grade on the curve there. I didn't consider attending BYU, offered a full ride music scholly, because I wanted an education........thus attended the U and then Hawaii for graduate school. My lil' brother, highly recruited by BYU golf, an ER doctor today in fact, NEVER considered BYU, also graduated from Utah summa cum laude, then the U med school.

    If you do the work at any college........you'll pass and graduate. PERIOD, the END!

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin
    This is a myth I wish y'all would stop perpetuating. Athletes can get into BYU-Provo with a 2.3 GPA, the same as every other school in America.

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    Getting into school at BYU isn't the issue, it's being able to survive in an academically rigorous environment where every other student in your class were 3.9-4.0 gpa students in their high schools.

    Its not like the community school up north after all where the classes are more geared towards being average.

  • Reality44 Tooele, UT
    May 10, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    CougarForever - Holladay, Utah
    May 9, 2019 11:11 p.m.
    Utah just lost one of their recruits to an FCS school (albeit a good one)?!

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    He did go to Snow because of academic issues. Deseret news just failed to mention it (surprise). He had a lot of mid majors in Utah to choose from that's for sure. Byu should consider becoming a stepping stone to bigger programs.

  • top of the world ,
    May 10, 2019 7:30 a.m.

    Stick with it, Darren. And stick with the Utes. They have one of the best head coaches in the country and he'll do all he can to lead you to the NFL. It will be very important that you don't play at Snow with the attitude that your undeniable talent will enable you to run over the defenses you will face. It's going to take a great deal of personal motivation to work your tail off to prepare yourself for wearing the red and white in SLC. I don't know if it was grades, but whatever is was that kept you from signing with the Utes, put it behind you and follow the path most of us can only dream about.

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2019 7:24 a.m.

    Nice to see this kid have an opportunity to trade up.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 9, 2019 11:26 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    May 9, 2019 6:09 p.m.
    Elite WR? No...but decent.

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    Darren Jones: 4 star 5.9
    Makiya Tongue: 4 star 5.8

    So Tongue isn't an elite WR?

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    May 9, 2019 11:11 p.m.

    Utah just lost one of their recruits to an FCS school (albeit a good one)?!

    I didn't see anything in the article about this being driven by academic issues but that seems to be the assumption by several of those making comments.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 9, 2019 8:27 p.m.

    “Elite WR? No.“

    4-Star equates to elite.....It’s not just reserved for 5-stars.

    Go Utes !

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 9, 2019 6:09 p.m.

    Elite WR? No...but decent. Hopefully he'll get his grades up and in the process rethink what school he wants to finish his collegiate career at. Lol

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 9, 2019 4:27 p.m.

    @water rocket

    "BYU requires an even higher GPA to get in"

    This is a myth I wish y'all would stop perpetuating. Athletes can get into BYU-Provo with a 2.3 GPA, the same as every other school in America.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 9, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    The Star Lotulelei route, he too struggled with grades. At Utah he stayed to finish up his senior year before heading to the NFL.

  • CO Ute , 00
    May 9, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    Get the academics in order and hope to see you wearing crimson in a year or two.

    @water rocket - The admissions standards at BYU are lowered for student athletes and not the same as for the general student population.
    Your AD even commented on this recently in talking about admission standards.

    “It’s already been lowered to admit a number of student athletes in most of our programs,” Holmoe said. “It’s an extraordinary school with great standards. I’m grateful that they give us the opportunity to bring in kids that are below a certain level.”

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 9, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    Looks like the coaches tucked him away where they can keep a close eye on him.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    @FT

    With the increased flexibility that students have and will have in the future to transfer, every school in Utah will be the minor leagues for Utah. They'll go to usu, snow, weber, dixie..when they can't make grades. They'll take some easy classes and get their grades up

    And they'll go to byu when their grades are good enough for Utah but their quality of play isn't. They'll have a couple more years to prove themselves worthy of coming to Utah.

  • water rocket , 00
    May 9, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    What is really amazing is that ALL colleges (including BYU and Utah) provide their student athletes with tutors to help them with their school work. The problem is even getting into college in the first place. BYU requires an even higher GPA to get in, so many talented athletes end up going to other D1 schools, rather than working on their high school grades.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 9, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    Get your grades in order and we'll see you at Utah in 2 years, and in the NFL 2 years after that!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 9, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    At some point in time Snow college stopped becoming the minor league school for BYU and became the Utes. Hopefully this kid learns more about academics and life skills than football while he's there as he'll need those more than his ability to catch a ball.