Racist taunts, allegations of unsportsmanlike behavior poison small-school relationship in Utah

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  • Coach11 Ogden, UT
    May 14, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    Indeed the player that transferred to ICS from Roy should sit out a year even though ICS is a Private school. Because he played Varsity at Roy, he should sit out a year, unless they prove hardship or his parents were hired at ICS.

  • rubbergoose Bountiful, UT
    May 8, 2019 4:33 p.m.

    The Russell Westbrook incident, the crazy Bus driver of west Haven Junior high school and now this! This makes Utah look really ignorant.

  • Crazy in California Acampo, CA
    May 8, 2019 11:40 a.m.

    Sports provide a great opportunity to learn to deal with, to learn, to overcome tribalism (racism, hatred) without deadly, dire, real world, consequences. It's like war play for fun and learning.

    At least two issues involved: outer behavior and inner reality.

    Outer behavior (sportsmanship, respectful behavior, play by the rules, discipline, etc) should be proscribed, consistently, firmly enforced by coaches and community with sure, clear consequences for adherning to the standard and for violationing the standard.

    Inner reality (love, sympathy, empathy, genuine regard) can be taught but can only be achieved from self understanding, genuine intent, honest desire to experience an inner spiritual reality. This can't be imposed but must be chosen.

    A code of conduct/behavior should be required and completely enforced all of the time.

    Changed hearts (the only ultimate solution) is more complicated, up to the individual to make happen.

  • BobbyPaluga Austin, TX
    May 7, 2019 10:50 p.m.

    The solutions are out there simple and straightforward but given we’re speaking about government it will take years of study before the local powers that be agree to do anything.
    For now Tabiona should lose its right to host games between their teams and the visitors who have had to deal with this appalling bigotry.
    If such incidents continue and Tabiona does nothing to stop the end the hate talk, they lose a full season’s home games.
    Any individual who can be identified as being the origin of this hate speech should be banned from attending on-campus events for a calendar year. With a recurrence the ban becomes a lifetime ban.

  • PhineasGauge St Paul, MN
    May 7, 2019 9:52 p.m.

    @ basketball3, that does not apply to private schools.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    May 7, 2019 7:58 p.m.

    red.diehard - I may be a little closer to this than you think... my son is not as complexionally challenged as I am, and has received similar treatment.

    No one accused you of being what ever.... but since you brought it up, it is real logical to assume you are not a minority by your statements. Are you denying this.... are you a minority? If you say you are, I'll take you at your word.

    And as far as I read, I didn't see anyone defending like behavior regardless of race, gender, sexual preference.

    But when your son has been called a N-word at games, has been told to go back to where he is from, and worse. That vast majority of people we have encountered are great people. But there are those few that somehow think their skin color makes them 'better'.

    When others are treated poorly by others, it seems logical they will view those people poorly. Call that racism... if you like. We can keep feeding the cycle, or we can be the ones who bring it to an end. Or we can just excuse it because the other people are being racist... so what's the point.

  • Basketball3 Tabiona, UT
    May 7, 2019 7:33 p.m.

    If you start at another school you can not play unless it is j.v. ICS hired his dad as the assistant golf coach. That is how they got around the rule. The kid started in Roy.

  • missizzy1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2019 7:17 p.m.

    It is really too bad ignorance is so prevalent in the world. No one is born a racist. The color of a person's skin is no reflection of who they are. However, spouting racial slurs shows exactly who and what a person has become.

  • aeveritt Springville, UT
    May 7, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    I played basketball in high school, and one of the moments that stands out to me the most is when my coach called a time out, strode past our entire team, and headed to the stands to loudly tell one of our fans (a teenage boy who had been taunting the other team) to knock it off. I don't know exactly what the boy said (pretty sure it wasn't racist because we and the girls we were playing were all white, but I do vaguely remember goat noises), but I do remember having a lot of respect for my coach. I think it would have been easy to say it was just boys being boys or not a big deal (and honestly, I don't know that I would have thought twice about it if not for my coach's reaction), and I'm glad my coach didn't just overlook it but instead taught us all a lesson about sportsmanship (and even burned a timeout to do it). I don't know what went down in Tabionia, but I hope that they're taking a good look at what they can do to encourage sportsmanship and show what is really important.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 7, 2019 5:03 p.m.

    bamafone - Salem, UT
    May 7, 2019 1:24 p.m.

    I have a suggestion that will be sure to work. Eliminate sports from public schools. It has nothing to do with education, it is expensive, and time consuming. Those who want to participate in sports can do it on their own time, and on their own dime. Leave the tax payer out of it. It will be sure to cut down on the problem.
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    Exactly; and for the very same reason let's get rid of FFA and Band!

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    May 7, 2019 4:22 p.m.

    @Basketball3

    Intermountain Christian School is a private school, what 'recruiting' rules apply? What is their geographical boundary?

  • Basketball3 Tabiona, UT
    May 7, 2019 4:01 p.m.

    ICS recruited a player from Roy. ICS put the players dad as the head golf coach so they could get around rules of recruiting. They came to these small town with the idea they were going to win easy, and they only won one game in the whole region. the First time Tabiona and ICS met up there had to be 3 refs because Drisdom had complained he didn't get a fair game with Manila and Rich ( 2 other small town schools) Tabiona won a very close game. I was standing waiting for the Tabiona players to come by when I seen Tim Drisdom grab one of Tabiona's player and say something to him. Tim walked away, but his face was very intense. The Tabiona player and 2 other of Tabiona's players ran to the locker room and told the assistant coach that Tim Dridsom had said he would kill him. All 3 boys wrote statement the next day that Tim Dridsom had said don't ever disrespect me like that or I will end your life. 2 days after this. Tabionas principle was informed of the racist slur that was said. I think racism is totally wrong and why the older man was not asked to stay home from the next game I do not know.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    May 7, 2019 3:44 p.m.

    In reply to comment posted by DaveAbernathy. You said when you were younger you had red hair ans people made fun of you and compare this to being black and enduring racism for being black. Obviously you haven’t experienced racism. Is not the same as being bullied because of your red hair. People who are racist don’t just make fun of you. They are violent and make you fear for your safety.

    It feels bad when they make fun of you cause because of your red hair, but it’s not the same as being afraid for your life. Very unfair comparison based on ignorance.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    May 7, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    Dejah- I'd say it's that exact attitude that is harmful. Just because you say or think something or someone is racist, doesn't make it so. It's just your opinion. The problem is so many people have been taught that if someone disagrees with their opinion, something is wrong with that person, so better call them names or give them a label. So I don't feel that the comment from Lily is racist at all. Misguided for sure, but not racist.

  • Region IX Fan St. George, UT
    May 7, 2019 3:08 p.m.

    As someone who has been to and coached against Tabiona teams, I'm sad to say this doesn't surprise me in the least.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    May 7, 2019 3:02 p.m.

    @Dejah
    @UtahBlueDevil

    "@red.diehard - racist? You walked in her shoes? How much experience do you have being a minority?"

    Silly people, let me break it down for you:
    Let's look at Lilly's comment:
    "The most reprehensible thing is that so many white people defend this behavior with excuses"

    Replace 'white' with any protected group (or pick a color or pick a continent+american, gender, etc)...just replace 'white' with any of those.

    Is it offensive? Of course it is then, why is it OK, to use white in this context?

    You are stereotyping...just like some fans of Tabiona. YOU, are just like them.

    Also, you have no idea regarding my demography. You have no clue what shoes I walk in. You are judgemental too.

  • DaveAbernathy Logan, UT
    May 7, 2019 2:51 p.m.

    I'll add a comment that will be unpopular to some. Racism is not a good thing - no one disputes that. However, it's just using a physical attribute to taunt another. Any attribute can be used. The handicapped get their share of teasing, so do the skinny and the fat. Before I got older I had red hair. I doubt very much that any particular skin colored person has had it any worse than what a red-headed boy endures throughout his early years.

    The bottom line is that people are mean. They shouldn't be, and most outgrow it. Scars are left on the victims forever unfortunately. If you encounter an unpleasant person ignore them. You can't change their behavior. Maybe once no one will speak to them they'll at least go quiet.

  • Dejah Provo, UT
    May 7, 2019 2:12 p.m.

    I really want to know how @red.diehard finds Lily's comment racist. Really I do. White people defend racist behavior every day, including the 'President' how is saying so racist? Just shows me that you and the ones that liked it are the racists who don't want to be told they are racist, yet remain racist.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    May 7, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    Mr. Boris
    What your really saying is, only those who make the sports teams have the advantage, and that only a handful of students will learn more about life, commitment and hard work. Silly, sports and education are two different things, one has nothing to do with the other. Life teaches all kinds of lessons and tax payers shell out might bucks for the few, with nothing to show for the rest. Those who succeed in education do so because they want to, not because of tax subsidized sports.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    May 7, 2019 1:37 p.m.

    JSB - Are their bad eggs on teams and in the stands, yes. But they are also the same regardless of sports. Sports didn't make them that way, if they are jerks at the games, they are most likely jerks in all other aspects of their lives.

    But sports does teach a lot. It teaches about working hard. It teaches putting yourself not first, working for the team. It teaches that when things get hard, you keep working. It teaches that you can compete fiercely on the field and still be friendly and care about the other players. It teaches you how to loose.

    Too many parents want to protect their kids from failure. Sports is a good place to learn about failure, and still get up, and try again tomorrow. Less than 1% of kids make it to the point they can earn a living in sports. The rest just take what they learned and apply it to their eventual normal careers.

    The "facts" you learn in school matter far less than the character you develop.

    @red.diehard - racist? You walked in her shoes? How much experience do you have being a minority?

    @Basketball3 - but it was reported. In the article. And its being investigated. Does this change the narrative of the story?

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    May 7, 2019 1:24 p.m.

    I have a suggestion that will be sure to work. Eliminate sports from public schools. It has nothing to do with education, it is expensive, and time consuming. Those who want to participate in sports can do it on their own time, and on their own dime. Leave the tax payer out of it. It will be sure to cut down on the problem.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    May 7, 2019 12:55 p.m.

    Reminds me of Blazing Saddles, when Sheriff Bart is feeling bad about how he's received, the Waco Kid gives him a speech about the simple, common folk. Some people grow up in places with prevailing attitudes having never been exposed to others unlike themselves. This happens in all races, not just white country people. Maybe some education about the diverse cultures could help? Maybe not
    My daughter plays rugby. She's a "skinny white girl" according to her non white opponents. She's been told she was going to have her "ugly blond hair" ripped from her scalp, and her "white privelege" couldn't help her on the field. There are more, unprintable, reprehensible things, but the point is, this goes on in every group. Unless we all start taking accountability for our actions, things won't change, and forcing a narrative that it's only white people who act this way will only drive the wedge deeper.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 7, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    Since when have the majority of Utahns ever accepted or treated people that differ from their religious club fairly or kindly.......NEVER!

  • whatsup1 Kekaha, HI
    May 7, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    Final score sports 10 sportsmanship 0

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    May 7, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    @Lily

    "The most reprehensible thing is that so many white people defend this behavior with excuses."

    What is most reprehensible is that your racist comment was allowed by the moderator.

  • z1freeride Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    This is the world the Anti-PC folks want.

  • Basketball3 Tabiona, UT
    May 7, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    it is regretable that a man said a racist slur. I dont think that is ever okay. I feel bad that any person of color would be exposed to that. What I do find more concerning is Tim Drisdom grabbed a child threatened to end his life. The kid heard it two other kids heard it. All 3 kids reported it right away they all 3 wrote statement the very next day and ICS head of school was contacted about it. Note this happened before Tabiona school was ever notified of any racial slurs said at the game. Yet no one is reporting on this.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 7, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    @Mr. Boris - Layton, UT

    These racist incidents happen but they rarely happen. It's a problem but let's not act like it happens all the time and let's not act like it's a small town problem. One person says one racist thing and all of a sudden everyone is small town Utah is racist.

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    Robert Wuthnow, a sociologist at Princeton University, spent eight years interviewing Americans in small towns across the country. Here's what his research found:

    In the book, you argue that the anger we’re seeing in rural America is less about economic concerns and more about the perception that Washington is threatening the way of life in small towns.

    I’m not sure that Washington is doing anything to harm these communities. To be honest, a lot of it is just scapegoating. And that’s why you see more xenophobia and racism in these communities. There’s a sense that things are going badly, and the impulse is to blame “others.”

  • DonO Draper, UT
    May 7, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    We’ve heard it before: No one is born racist; it’s very much a learned behavior. And more times than not, children learn it from adults like the elderly man in Tabiona. There should be zero tolerance for racism, regardless of whether the offender is elderly and “needs oxygen.” Watching him being ushered out of the gym would send a powerful message.

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    May 7, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Anyone who has yelled or mouthed racist taunts, should be immediately ejected. Any future taunts should result in a full season suspension from games, especially for the grandpa who can't show respect and is setting a bad example for his grandson.

  • VegasJazzFan Las Vegas, NV
    May 7, 2019 8:35 a.m.

    Racism isn't just inappropriate fan behavior, it is hurtful to those it is directed at and our society as a whole. Let's stop allowing and accepting it and brushing it off as poor fan behavior. Racism is racism.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    May 7, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    These racist incidents happen but they rarely happen. It's a problem but let's not act like it happens all the time and let's not act like it's a small town problem. One person says one racist thing and all of a sudden everyone is small town Utah is racist.

    As far as high school sports go. I have two kids that had the highest ACT scores in their class and both have full academic scholarships for college and they both played high school sports.

    And I'll say this, they learned more from their coaches and athletics about life, commitment, and hard work than they ever learned in the classroom. A big part of why they are so successful in the classroom is because of the discipline they learned in athletics.

  • HorseHarris Daniel, UT
    May 7, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    Taunting and teasing are a part of basketball student sections chanting, "stupid", or airball is something that should stay. As a player I have no problem with this. Once they cross the line though is where it becomes an issue. Having played 20+ different teams this year we did not experience any of this. It is just in a few select small town schools that its happening in. Not a reason to end the fun and exciting atmosphere of a high school game.

  • JSB , 00
    May 7, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    People keep telling me that high school sports promotes character development but I fail to see it. High school, college or professional, the players and the fans often act like immature children. Why doesn't Utah promote language immersion and drop sports. Everyone would benefit.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 7, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    Slcut - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2019 5:30 a.m.

    It’s time to end high school sponsored sports events. They have always been about discrimination. It’s time we stop spending tax dollars to promote this activity
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    So you want to end high school sports, which has a positive effect on thousand's of students due to the ignorance of a hand full of people? Yeah, that's a great idea.

    Good Grief!

    I would be willing to bet the leading Tabonia fan who caused much of this has never met a black person or befriended one. Heck, he's probably never left the county. Having lived all over this great country there are good people and jerks that come in all races, colors and creeds. That's just the way it is.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    May 7, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    They'll always be rude and annoying fans this is sports but doesn't mean you have to put up with it. Back in my day we'd run plays that had a hard pass to the sidelines ...

  • educanto north salt lake, UT
    May 7, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    The high school and district officials seem to be helpless in managing the fans in a school facility. Perhaps Gail Miller should be called on to show them how it is done. Racist taunts and insults cannot be condoned by fear and inaction. Surely the good citizens of Duschene can stand up to this nonsense. Perhaps grandpa should take his oxygen at home until he can control himself.

  • Lilly Munster , 00
    May 7, 2019 5:35 a.m.

    Black, Latino and LGBT American students face this reprehensible bullying and racist behavior every single day in American Schools, public, private and parochial. Most of the time, the Administrators either do nothing about it, or simply pretend that "everyone behaved badly."
    What you just read in this article is the REAL America. The most reprehensible thing is that so many white people defend this behavior with excuses.

  • Slcut Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2019 5:30 a.m.

    It’s time to end high school sponsored sports events. They have always been about discrimination. It’s time we stop spending tax dollars to promote this activity

  • just tim Buena Vista, VA
    May 7, 2019 4:56 a.m.

    This is High School sports. One word from the coach would put an end to it- should put an end to it. The coach is accountable for the behavior of his student athletes. He also is a major influence with the crowd.

  • Not Much of a Fan Irvine, CA
    May 6, 2019 11:06 p.m.

    If fans are disruptive, the referees should be empowered to have the team backed by the offending fans forfeit the game after a warning. The teams threatened with or forced to forfeit and their well-behaved fans will be eager to deal with the behavior of the offending fans to prevent a forfeit.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    May 6, 2019 10:40 p.m.

    If fans are disruptive they can be banned from attending games.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    May 6, 2019 10:37 p.m.

    After reading a summary by the lawyer hired by the Duchesne County School District Board of Education, I think it went both ways.

    They shouldn't play each other anymore.

  • SageRider Spanish Fork USA, UT
    May 6, 2019 9:01 p.m.

    What a shame. There is no place in our society for ignorance and hate like that. Come on people, let's get back to teaching, learning and showing respect for our fellow man, regardless of the color of his or her skin. It's just not that difficult.

  • NH Transplant Heber City, UT
    May 6, 2019 8:29 p.m.

    Fans, players and coaches should be reminded of sportsmanship policy before every game. UHSAA already has a statement. Regardless of difficulty for removal, immediate expulsion should occur. Home team administrators need to fulfill their responsibility so the learning can be immediate.

    Continue to play next years games at a neutral site with no fans allowed both times. School and UHSAA officials only with a joint team meeting before and after reviewing importance of sportsmanship and getting along.

    High school is a time for being educated. This is a great educational opportunity. Don’t just quit!

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    May 6, 2019 7:35 p.m.

    Shameful these attitudes still persist. I can tell you my son has experienced more ignorance here then he did in North Carolina. Good thing is he has think skin, and he doesn't respond to comments like these. He sees it more as an issue of the other person's character. I wish I was that mature, but it does bother me still.