@JaneB,Rule of law?---A person is innocent until proven guilty.Why would Russia prefer Trump over Hillary?Democrats are
running scared! What are they off?
Hey Worf -Re: "Democrats lied about Russian collusion for two
years and haven't stopped."You know, the words "no
collusion" do not appear anywhere in the Mueller report. Though not a crime
in itself, collusion is obvious. We can see that even without an
investigation.Trump very publicly asked the Russians for help
winning the election. And the Russians responded by breaking American laws for
the purpose of helping Trump win. That all by itself is collusion.Why do YOU think America's Russian enemies help Republicans win elections
here? Do you think Russia expects to receive nothing in return?Sure, the words "no collusion" come from the mouths of Trump and Barr,
two high profile liars. But what is that worth? Why would you assume that what
they say is true?
Responding to comments about convictions and Trump. Seems like all the good
people that Bill an Hillary Clinton surrounds their selves with are
criminals: 1) Roger Clinton: drug trafficking conviction 2) Dan
Lasater: drug trafficking conviction 3) Dan Harmon: five federal
racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions 4) Bill
McCuen: bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions 5) Webster Hubbell:
Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony
convictions 6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions 7)
William J. Marks Sr.: conspiracy conviction 8) Jim McDougal: eighteen
felony convictions 9) Susan McDougal: four felony convictions 10)
David Hale: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud 11) Chris
Wade: two felony convictions 12) Stephen Smith: one conviction 13)
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans 14) Robert
Palmer: one conspiracy felony conviction 15) Neal Ainley: embezzled bank
funds for Clinton campaign; 16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud
Thid Barker said: "This is simply Democrat political stunts and noise versus
AG Barr's legal substance and poise! Makes me proud to live in a country of
law and order!"Wait, so your idea of law and order is a
president can obstruct an investigation if he "feels" the charges are
unfounded, even if he is ignorant of actual law? Criminals across
America are taking note, that if they can eliminate witnesses and evidence, then
no crime was committed, this is what makes you proud? This is what
Barr is basing his no obstruction on.What if a democrat during the
2020 election said on TV "China, if you're listening, why don't
you get Trump's tax returns. I'm sure our media would richly reward
you" If after this hypothetical Democratic candidate says this, within
hours, all of a sudden, the IRS offices are bombarded with incredibly
sophisticated cybertools looking for Trump's tax returns, and then extracts
and them and then passes them to whatever the new WikiLeaks happens to be and
they are disclosed. So you and the trump sycophants are saying there
is nothing wrong with that?
William Barr sickened himself with his own lies.LOL! And they used
to call Obama a liar.Go figure!
This is simply Democrat political stunts and noise versus AG Barr's legal
substance and poise! Makes me proud to live in a country of law and order!
worf, I'm not a democrat, but I think what scares people about Trump is
that we are losing the rule of law. Especially now with Barr as top dog at DOJ.
He seems all too willing to run defense for Trump, rather than defend the rule
of law. He seems to think Trump is above the law. Frankly, Barr scares me. He
was dishonest yesterday, and before. I suspect he will continue to run
interference for Trump. I don't think that's what the framers had in
mind, do you? Congress was given oversight power for a reason. Now
Trump will just refuse to comply with legitimate subpeonas and run out the clock
until after the election. That's more obstruction.We have a
report that showed Trump campaign sought help from Russia, had over 100 contacts
with Russians to obtain material on Clinton, accepted help and benefited from
it. They didn't call the FBI, but gladly took the help. They didn't
officially collude, because they didn't need to.Mueller
produced a report that showed many instances of clear abuse of power in the
white house. He showed obstruction. It's sad now that R's are so far
gone, they can't even see what they are buying into.
What a bunch of sore losers.Democrats lied about Russian collusion
for two years and haven't stopped.Democrats need to put forth
effort colluding with Trump rather than whining. What is it about Trump that
scares them so much?
Hey Vermonter -Re: " Perhaps Barr is looking for some sort of
payoff down the road from Trump. "Well, I'm sure Barr would
not turn down a Supreme Court appointment. He's probably praying for
Justice Ginsberg to pass.It's a real pity how greed and a
desire for power can corrupt a person.
Takeaway on Bill Barr: he thinks the president is above the law. I thought we
had a Constitution that said otherwise. Dangerous times.
Pelosi's accusations are absolutely justified. Barr DID in fact lie to
Congress.Barr told Congress he didn't know whether Mueller
approved of Barr's four-page summary letter, even after Mueller sent him a
letter of protest explicitly stating that Mueller was NOT satisfied with
Barr's summary letter."The summary letter the Department
sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24
did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's
work and conclusions." - Robert MuellerThat is irrefutable proof
that Barr lied outright to Congress. And that was just one of his lies.I notice that Republicans posting here are all assuming that everything
Barr says is true. Why? There is no basis to support that assumption. All that
can really be confirmed about Barr is that he easily lies. Barr is very similar
to his boss in that respect, isn't he?Trump achieved the 10
thousand-lie mark just the other day. What an achievement!
I think we are done with Barr. He has his story and he is sticking to it, true
or not. Time to get Mueller in front on House and Senate committees,
@Jim Chee. Fair enough. I obviously haven’t followed this as closely
as you. But, still, Barr is nearly 70 years old. And though not
mega-rich, he probably will have a comfortable retirement. Perhaps Barr is
looking for some sort of payoff down the road from Trump. But, he will have to
endure vilification in the press and perjury traps on Capitol Hill. It
doesn’t seem that plain and ordinary money and power would motivate him
jjjdsd - Centerville, UTMay 2, 2019 2:22 p.m."Mueller
prior to his report told everyone there was no collusion by Trump."Did you get this from Donald Trump? You didn't read the Mueller report,
did you? If you were paying attention to some other news outlet than the Fox
Propaganda Network, you would know that Robert Mueller never talked about his
investigation -- to anyone. And if you read any news outside of Fox, you would
know that only Bill Barr said there was "no collusion". That's like
Sarah Huck-Sands or Kellyanne Conway telling us that there was "no
collusion". However, there is a lot in the Mueller report that doesn't
point that way. Mueller wrote he could not definitely say because he was unable
to interview the Russian players. But what to you think sharing critical polling
data on the Midwest with a Russian agent is? Or the meeting with Russian agents
in Trump Tower? Or the 150+ meeting between Trump campaign staffers and
Russians?It's all there in the report. Barr neglected to read
any of the underlying evidence basing his prejudiced judgement on selected parts
of the report, misrepresenting it and quoting sentences out of context.
You've become a Trump shill.
After getting bruised badly by questioning yesterday, Attorney General Barr
needed some time off to recover, so I am not surprised he was a no-show
today.The KFC demonstration seems to be setting up campaign slogans
against President Trump, similar to the "Where's the beef?" line
Walter Mondale used in 1984 against Gary Hart in the campaign for the democratic
nomination for president.This time the line will be:
"Where's the chicken?"
Thid Barker - Victor, IDMay 2, 2019 2:12 p.m."Anyone who
disagrees with Pelosi is lying, right?"William Barr has now
joined an elite group of Donald Trump sycophants. You might call it the
Liar's Club, anyone who will lie for Trump. This group includes, besides
Bill Barr, Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Hucka-Sands, Stephen Miller, and whoever else
in the Republican Party who has sold their soul and fear a critical tweet to
doing what is right.For those who rely on the Fox News entertainment
division and talking heads, apparently there is no need to read the Mueller
report because it mentions things they don't want to hear. Better to get
into conspiracies of Deep State and wingnut nonsense as their comfort zone. Lies
by their own people are much better to live with than coming out into the light
and searching for truth.Barr was probably told not to appear before
the House Judicial Committee. He has done enough damage. At 28% favorable on
re-electing Trump, the campaign can't afford too many more episodes like we
all saw yesterday. It's not a question of disagreeing with Nancy Pelosi.
It's all about lying to the American people. You may accept and overlook
the lie, but it's a lie.
Vermonter - Plymouth, MIMay 2, 2019 1:23 p.m."Don’t
know why Barr took the job. He didn’t need it. He’s already been
there and done that with the AG job."Consider this. Bill Barr
advertised for the job and put forth his credentials regarding executive power.
He was no Jeff Sessions constrained by the legal niceties of maintaining
independence from the Executive. He said that he thought a president could not
be held liable for anything as he basically said in the Senate hearing
yesterday. According to Barr, if the president thinks an investigation is
"unjust" (read, something he doesn't like), he has every right to
shut it down. Apparently Barr agrees with Donald Trump about what he can do
whenever he wants.That's why he took job. Trump wanted a
protector at the highest levels of the DOJ and he got it with Barr. The man took
an oath to the Constitution, but that falls very short from the oath of loyalty
he took to Trump. So, the question is, What is Barr going to get out of this? At
this time it's difficult to determine. Whatever credibility or integrity he
had is now down the toilet. Maybe it's ideological and partisan and he
doesn't care what it does to him personally.
@lost in DC“Funny what nancy said about lying. To her the
truth is what is politically expedient, what she wants it to be, not what it
actually is. When she develops some credibility then she can talk about someone
else lying.”I’ll just let the irony speak for itself.
I think you robbed the bank, because I can't find any evidence you did not.
And don't try to argue you didn't because that is
obstruction of justice. And anyone that says you did not rob the bank must be
proffering a lie in your defense.
@Thid;"After four (4) separate investigations, nearly $30 million
wasted, hundreds of witness interviewed and reams of papers subpoenaed. still no
evidence of President Trump's collusion and obstruction!"Ummm. The investigations resulted in many indictments, guilty pleas and
sentences from Trumps inner circle. Plus, the fines recouped more than paid for
the investigations costs. This has been pointed out to you many times. Plus,
from the report;""While this report does not conclude that the President
committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," ""If we
had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President
clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so
state."""The President's efforts to influence the investigation
were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded
the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."The report doesn't say "No collusion. It doesn't say no
obstruction. It doesn't exonerate Trump. The only ones say that are you and
"No witness can be allowed to dictate the terms under which he will comply
with a lawful subpoena "Nadler never issued a subpoena for Barr
to appear, it was voluntary for the House and Senate hearings. Lets not lie
about it, and lets not spread lies about it.
Thid Barker said: "still no evidence of President Trump's collusion and
obstruction! "• 22 months, Cost ~$25mil, but netted, $48mil
from unpaid taxes/fines/seized assets. 100% ROI. • 34 Indictments
(individuals), 3 Indictments (companies)• 7 guilty pleas and
counting• 1 conviction and counting• Indicted: Roger
Stone, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, Michael
Cohen, Richard Pinedo, Alex van der Zwaan, Konstantin Kilimnik, 22 Russians
(most GRU spies), Internet Research Agency, Concord Management•
Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, George Papadopolous, Richard Pinedo,
Alex van der Zwaan, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort • Found Guilty: Paul
Manafort • 191 charges and countingSeems like all the
good people that Donald surrounds himself with are criminals, but shouldn't
be punished cause law and order are just words the GOP uses during campaigns,
but trump associates are victims?The only reason obstruction charges
aren't being brought against Donald is because Barr believes it's
legal to obstruct justice if you believe you are innocent, criminals all over
America are writing that one down.
Theater for sure.Mueller prior to his report told everyone there was
no collusion by Trump. The ATDS did not stop accusing the Pres of collusion.Mueller rights a 400 page report saying there is not collusion or
obstruction, then lays out 10 perceived possible situations. He certainly did
not report about exculpatory evidence that made him not charge the Pres for
obstruction. This is how Weissmann had major cases reversed.Barr
asked Mueller to review his 4 page summary, Mueller refused to do so.Barr provides a redacted version to congress and the public for the purpose of
openness. He was not required by a law Democrats passed after Star's
report, he had no obligation to release it.Barr offers a less
redacted version for the members of congress to review. In mass they
refused.The Mueller team writes a letter to Barr telling him they
are not happy with the media's response. And this is
Barr's fault. Everyone should be looking at Mueller with a
suspicions of his real motives.
Anyone who disagrees with Pelosi is lying, right? After four (4) separate
investigations, nearly $30 million wasted, hundreds of witness interviewed and
reams of papers subpoenaed. still no evidence of President Trump's
collusion and obstruction! How many more "investigations" will it take
before Democrats will give it up? 10 more? How about NO MORE! Enough already
Democrats! You are getting way past absurd and obtuse!
Barr has declined to appear at the day and time of a hearing he was advised of
days in advance. Issue him a subpoena. If he ignores it or fights it in court,
he will further define himself in the public eye. But the House will have
discharged its duty. No witness can be allowed to dictate the terms under which
he will comply with a lawful subpoena from a Congressional investigating
committee. Barr himself as a prosecutor would not hesitate to use his authority
to compel a witness to respond to a lawful subpoena to appear and testify.Officials in the Nixon White House once attempted to refuse to testify
before Congress. Sam Ervin, chairing the Senate Watergate committee, threatened
to send the Sergeant of Arms to arrest them. The witnesses then complied.
Strange, but the "Watergate" era which tested our resolve to support our
Constitution over party and the latest drama were both precipitated by
Republicans trying to exploit American voters in getting "dirt" on their
Democrat rivals. They know if it is message vs message or policy vs policy or
platform vs platform, they will lose. Thus the resort to chicanery.
the accusations fly in DCsame old same old
@Impartial7.You’re probably right about Barr never getting another
job. Don’t know why Barr took the job. He didn’t need it. He’s
already been there and done that with the AG job.But, perhaps there
is a payoff in the future.
Based on Pelosi’s public accusation, she has a duty to initiate
impeachment proceedings against William Barr. But, she won’t.
This is politics, after all. I was amused at the rubber chicken in
the witness chair and the catering by KFC at the committee meeting. Political
theater at its finest.
Confirmation bias is something we all have. We notice, interpret, or give
credence to information that agrees with what we already think and believe. If
we cannot ignore or interpret the information as being consistent with our bias,
we say the information is untrue. We all do that. The Mueller report and all
that follows are another in an endless stream of examples. To wit: if you are a
Trump supporter, you see the Mueller report as exoneration, and those who
continue to pursue it as wrong, unfair, un-American, or of poor character; while
if you're not a Trump supporter, you see the Mueller report as supporting
the idea that Trump is a crook, and those who refuse to pursue it as wrong,
unfair, un-American, or of poor character. The sequelae are driven by the
original bias. It is rare indeed for any person to escape confirmation bias.
That includes me. Doing so is both difficult and uncomfortable.
Funny what nancy said about lying. To her the truth is what is politically
expedient, what she wants it to be, not what it actually is. When she develops
some credibility then she can talk about someone else lying.Nadler
said that if the AG doesn't provide the committee "with the
respect that it deserves
”Barr is giving the committee no
less respect than it deserves.Dems cannot tell the difference
between Mueller and his team – no surprise there. I wonder if they have
figured out the definition of the word “is” yet?of
course, they have already convicted anyone associated with trump, even without
the "evidence" they are trying to fabricate.At least all
this distraction is keeping dems from doing damage with their agenda, like the
grotesque new deal and other malarkey.
I hope Trump takes good care of Barr, his personal attorney, against the best
interests of America. He'll never be able to find a decent job again.
Pelosi is correct. Now why did Barr lie, if his client, oops I meant
the president isn't trying to obstruct justice?Why lie when you
have the truth to back up your rendition of the report?Why do trump
sycophants defend dishonesty and coverups?