“Baseless Innuendo” is how our Senator described the report.Would our Senator Lee support Special Prosecutor Mueller appearing
before Congress to answer questions about his report and more specifically his
subsequent letter to Attorney General Barr’s questioning his
interpretation of it?Personally I don’t have time to read the
400 page report but I would like to hear him answer questions about it from
Congress.Some say it is time to move on. I would like to hear him
testify and answer questions under oath.Is there anything wrong with
"Traveler--Farmington, UT"Great perspective. Under Utah
law, one defense to the crime of obstruction of justice is the defense that no
underlying crime was actually committed. Therefore, even if a person blatantly
obstructs an investigation into purported criminal behavior, such person cannot
be found guilty of the crime of obstruction of justice, if the bad behavior
being investigated is ultimately determined not to satisfy all the elements of
being a crime (although such bad behavior might satisfy some of the elements of
being a crime). In summary, it's not a crime to obstruct an investigation
concerning bad behavior that turns out not to be a crime.Thus, even
if President Trump blatantly obstructed the criminal investigation into whether
he or others in his presidential campaign colluded with the Russians to attempt
to influence the 2016 Presidential Election, if it is ultimately determined that
neither he nor anyone else in his election campaign was guilty of the crime of
collusion with the Russians concerning the 2016 election, he could not be found
guilty of the crime of obstruction, either. Although such behavior may be
deplorable behavior, it would not be a crime.
"the main problem with "the President is guilty of obstruction" idea
is that the investigation shows that there was no underlying crime to try to
hide."The report indicated numerous efforts to obstruct, the
fact that Trump and his team were too incompetent to accomplish the crime is not
a defense. Trump's lack of both policy concept and policy implementation
skill is just further evidence of a do-little dictator who makes lots of noise
but is always out of tune.We barely survived Mike Lee's Tea
Party and our nation is in great danger from Trump and Miller and Bannon's
goal for the "deconstruction of the administrative state." Admiral
McCraven had it right, but not just about Trump: "Through your actions, you
have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world
stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation." The Mueller Report
documents but one small part of the dystopia created by the current regime. So
Its time for 'party over country' mike lee to go. He refuses to be an
honest person about any of this.
Kent Deforest: I read the Patti Reagan article. She seemed quite petty. I
think her father was the greatest president of the 20th century. I am not sure
Reagan could succeed today like he did in the 80's. I love Ronald Reagan.
However, if she is worried about democracy surviving under Trump because he
tweets, where was she as Obama basically dismantled everything her father stood
for and apologized for American exceptionalism, put 1/6th of our economy under
Socialism without apology, weakened Religious liberty, our 2nd amendment rights,
and admitted that Democrats worshiped him. So, she wants to go after Trump for
What? I agree with Senator Lee. Trump has done more for liberty than any
president in recent history. The Democrats are looking for any reason to
disavow the 2016 election, the man that was voted into office without Republican
and Democratic support. How was this possible? It was possible because
millions of Americans have watched the lies descend for decades from both
parties, but mostly Democratic policies. Now we are to believe them,even after
a 2 year investigation. O.K., I know. Just trust the Democrats, no matter
what! Tried that! Sorry!
Ain’t that the truth
It is not just the Dems. We must ALL be losing our minds (or at least our
focus). Though the report clears Trump of collusion with Russia, it did find
members of his team conspired with Russia. Though Mueller was not able to indict
for obstruction of justice (that was beyond his mandate), the report does show
multiple instances of obstruction. This is serious stuff. But is
that what we are talking about? No, we prefer to talk about partisan
@FrozenFractalsIf Mueller had evidence that the president was guilty of
obstruction he would have said so in the report. He did not say "the
president is guilty but DOJ rules mean he can't be indicted." Attorney
General Barr said that he asked Mueller point blank if the DOJ rule was the
reason he didn't come to a conclusion on obstruction and was answered
"no". Barr likewise said that his decision not to proceed on an
obstruction charge was not based on DOJ rules against indicting a sitting
president either, but on a lack of evidence of obstruction. So when everyone
says that wasn't the reason, maybe that wasn't the reason.Really, the main problem with "the President is guilty of obstruction"
idea is that the investigation shows that there was no underlying crime to try
to hide.A charge of obstruction when there is no underlying crime
would essentially be entrapment. It should be thrown out of any court in
the land as prosecutorial misconduct.
As Senator Lee said, the Democratic leadership seems to be losing their minds.
It seems to me that Mr. Mueller could have saved American taxpayers about $25
Million if he had just interviewed Democratic Party leaders who loudly
proclaimed on all the Cable TV networks to have incontrovertible evidence that
the Trump campaign not only collaborated with the Russians, but that Donald
Trump is, in fact, a Russian agent. Mr. Mueller could have used their
"incontrovertible" evidence as the basis for charges of collusion
against the President and skipped the rest of the investigation. Instead he
chose to ignore them and do a thorough investigation which came up with no
evidence of collusion.It seems to me that Senator Lee is suggesting
that the real Russian agents may be the political leaders and liberal media who
continue to aid and abet Russian efforts to sew dissension in our country by
promulgating misguided and cynical efforts to undermine the results of the 2016
Trump was not elected by the Republicans or Democrats. How did this man get
elected? It was the independents who were so sick and tired of the followers of
both those parties who were mostly out of touch with their constituents. Both
parties, but mostly Democrats, have been in a fit ever since, doing everything
possible to disavow the 2016 election results. Next up, getting rid of the
Electoral College! Guess what, however? The independents will be back, along
with the constitutional supporters, the limited government, those that like
lower taxes, cutting of most social programs, State's rights, and are
adamantly against Socialism. We will be back. Trump 2020 and Lee in 2022!
Interestingly, I made that decision without Trump or the Republican party
telling me how to vote or how to think. The Republican party didn't want
Lee either. I know why, which why both will get my vote!
"Democrats are losing their minds over the Mueller report," says the man
who defends the most corrupt president in history without batting an eye. Lee
needs to read the recent editorial by Patti (Reagan) Davis. It would be like
looking in the mirror for him, something he ought to do more often.
Sen. Lee: "...the president’s political adversaries have exploited the
Mueller probe ... to undermine ... the effectiveness of this
administration." "... effectiveness of this administration
..."Ha!Talk about an oxymoron. Right up
there with other fun absurdities like "jumbo shrimp" or "open
secret" or "conservative Republican".
If Mike Lee is not bothered by what is contained in the Mueller Report, and in
his letter to Barr, Mike does not get it, or he puts party loyalty above country
and Constitution. I never want to hear him sanctimoniously bloviate about the
Constitution and its principles. He has lost all credibility on the moral high
ground. He has chosen to cast his lot with Trump, who is not vindicated by the
Report and who continues to subvert the Constitution.
The Democrats are losing their minds over the Mueller report, No Russian
collusion with President Trump.
In response to the comment of "rubber goose":It's
ironic that many Utah Republicans (as members of the LDS faith) who
couldn't stand Trump when he was running for President in 2016, due to his
obvious personal character flaws that are still very apparent, and who posted
signs on their front lawns that said "Anyone but Trump," are now
championing him as the best U.S. president ever, and as such a strong candidate
for re-election that neither party could possibly present a candidate that would
have any chance whatsoever to defeat him.I'm an independent who
wasn't excited about either candidate selected by the two major political
parties for president in 2016 (and none of the non-traditional party
candidates). I voted for Hillary Clinton, because--despite her obvious personal
character flaws, and despite her close affiliation with Bill Clinton--she at
least appeared to somewhat be qualified to be POTUS, unlike Trump.I'm pretty sure that a significant portion of the votes cast for
President Trump in 2016 were votes cast more against Hillary Clinton than for
Donald Trump. And, Hillary Clinton still won the popular vote. That's not a
ringing endorsement for Trump's re-election.
Sen. Mike Lee is right the Democrats are losing their minds over Mueller report.
How many times do the dems want to lose on the Russian hoax? Time to move on to
your next scheme dems
Bill 4570 maybe save our pity for those that hate Trump and the Democrats in
general for 2020. Prescriptions for anti anxiety medicine will sky rocket like
they did November 2016. There is no viable candidate that can defeat Trump.
Mike Lee has now become "Mr. Obvious."Of course the
Democrats are going to try to use the Mueller Report to undermine Trump's
administration.If the shoe was on the other foot, the Republicans
would be doing exactly the same thing--as they have done in the past (and as the
Democrats have also done in the past); this is nothing new in U.S. partisan
politics.My favorite comment so far is from "VLia - , 00,"
concerning Senator Lee's comment that the "Democrats are losing their
minds over the Mueller Report":"No. We are losing our minds
because you are our Senator."My sentiments exactly--but you said
Poor Mikie. He sure is trying hard to find an excuse to maintain his loyalty to
"you know who". I am guessing he read the censored version of the
Mueller report that was given to the public. Obviously Lee is taking "fake
news" lessons from the white house pros. Mike, the Dems
don't need to work too hard to try to undermine a pres who is doing a real
good job of doing that to himself. He is becoming more irrelevant by the day.
The only problem with this thought of him becoming more irrelevant
is the realization that he becomes more dangerous.
It is time for the Democrats to either fish or cut bait.Barring some
massive new revelation that somehow Mueller and his dedicated team failed to dig
up in the last 2 years, nobody is going to be indicting President Trump for any
major crimes.So, either call for an impeachment vote in the House
and learn what the GOP did with Clinton 25 years ago....or, get on with the
business of legislating and leave it to voters to decide in 18 months.As a Republican, I actually kind of hope the Democrats, media (but I repeat
myself), and the entrenched unelected buearacracy continue their efforts to
attack Trump on personality and his pre-election business dealings. Short of the
proverbial live boy or dead girl showing up, the public has long stopped caring
about those things and so if that is the best the Democrats can come up with, we
get another 4 years without a Democrat in the White House.
The best news today was that the real collusion with Russians is going to be
thoroughly investigated by Barr and I expect many big names will be indicted.
Get your popcorn and hang on for a wild ride. You could see this disparagement
and slander against Barr was anticipation of what is going to happen to the
Democrats and deep state.
It is sad, we’d be going through the same thing if Hillary would have won.
The republicans promised it. I guess that’s why Joe Biden is doing well,
he from the democratic side and John KasIch the republican side are both welcome
voices from the middle. The country let’s the 10 percent of extremists on
both sides dictate Washington. We all need to vote the extreme out of
Washington. Trump is an embarrassment to the county regardless of “the
Trump undermines Trump. The Dems don't need any help, but he provides it.
Of course Dems are exploiting it to undermine Trump, so far I’m 200 pages
in and most of it is about how Trump and his camp tried to use Russia to get
elected, but stopped just short of conspiracy against America. It
also confirms just about everything the “liberal media” has reported
regarding all things Trump Russia, and paints Trump as a pathological liar.I also found it interesting how Trump never once denied working with
Russia, instead he said phrases like “I don’t recall” 30
times. I’m pretty sure most Americans would recall working with
Russians.So yeah Lee, ya think?
Let’s be honest with ourselves. If the same exact circumstances played
out under a Democratic administration, Republicans would be losing their minds
and Democrats would be doing whatever they could to run interference on behalf
of the President as Republicans are currently doing for Trump.
@Traveller" to try to spin a report that says the President is not
guilty of anything criminal"That's a lie. The report
clearly details cases of obstruction, the only reason he's not being
charged is because there's justice department norms against the idea that a
president can be indicted.
Mike Lee is absolutely right. The democrat party will never give up on their
effort to bring our President down. If the Mueller report doesn't please
them they will quickly come up with another investigation. Count on it.
If you substituted Hillary's name for Trumps and reprinted the report, how
many people do you think would still find the actions detailed in the report
An example of losing minds is the Benghazi "investigations". Chaffetz
flew to Libya at taxpayer expense to "investigate". The cost to
"investigate" Benghazi cost a lot more than the Mueller investigation
did. Mueller's forfeiture of money more than paid for the investigation,
along with 32 convictions.What is causing anyone to lose their minds
is the Lee doesn't care the trump obstructed justice.I hope Lee
and the GOP remember this the next time they believe a democrat president has
broken the law. The GOP is setting up an awful precedent for future charges or
impeachment for sitting presidents. They have lost their ability to ever do that
"The Utah Republican said Democrats have exploited special counsel Robert
Mueller's investigation to undermine the effectiveness of the Trump
administration."Which the Dems are plowing full steam ahead."Democrats are 'losing their minds....'"Boy, and how!
@RiDal,You should read the Mueller report. If you had, you'd
know that it fails to find evidence that the Trump campaign engaged in a
criminal conspiracy with Russians to participate in legal activities. You would
also know that it documents, over hundreds of pages, the Trump campaign's
willingness and eagerness to collude with cutouts of the Russian government, but
never in a way that violates the law.Then, you would know that part
II of the report clearly documents a dozen instances in which the President
tried to cover up the evidence of those efforts and hinder the investigation
into their legality. With a little additional reading, you'd learn that in
4 of those instances, it appears that the three necessary elements for statutory
obstruction of justice are met. That is, the Mueller report clearly presents
evidence of Donald J. Trump breaking the law by obstructing justice.So, when others say that the Mueller report fails to exonerate the president
and that it includes evidence of presidential misconduct worthy of indictment,
you'll know what they mean, and not have to resort to flailing around with
a "no collusion! no collusion!" counterargument.
@The Dark Night: "I see no reasonable way to reconcile the actual co tent of
the Mueller report with the Republican narrarive thar it exonerates the
President. "Which part of "no collusion by the President or
any other US citizen with Russia" requires any "nuance" to
understand ?No collusion is zero collusion.Evidence cannot
become any less than zero. It is not "a Republican narrative"; it
is what the Mueller report specifically states. As far as collusion
goes: when it has been revealed that there is no underlying crime, and the
witch-hunters are trying to burn you at the stake, declining to supply the
matches cannot be described as "obstruction" by any rational person.
Any reasonable person would be expressing "reluctance to cooperate".
No. We are losing our minds because you are our Senator.
Where is Senator Lee, and who is this imposter? I'm frankly shocked, but
shouldn't be. Trump corrupts even the incorruptible. The
findings in the Mueller report are not "baseless innuendo", they are
documented findings of obstruction of justice, gross abuse of power, and
constant malfeasance in the White House. Lee used to be one of the only
principled people in the senate. Where is he, and what the heck happened? There
is no "deep state", senator Lee. You're clearly out of your
mind.Please, someone locate Senator Lee.
Keep breathlessly clutching those pearls, Mike, instead of actually confronting
what's in the report. That would actually require you to show some
backbone.If you even read it, you'll already be ahead of
Senator Graham and Bill Barr, who, based on their statements in today's
hearings, are not even very conversant on its contents. Apparently it's
not necessary to read the thing to form an opinion of it.This
nonsense has gone beyond ignoring that the emperor has no clothes. It's
refusing to even look at the emperor, because doing so would force them into the
uncomfortable position of having to admit it to themselves, much less to anyone
If you haven't seen your keys for two years - you are not "losing"
them - they are quantifiably already "lost"The term
"losing" implies an ongoing action, whereas the current behavior of many
Trump-haters is simply an ongoing manifestation of something that already
happened - it was "lost" several years ago
Democrats may be losing their minds. Certainly some of them are, but most
Republicans in Congress have lost their honor, their integrity and any semblance
of fiscal restraint. Plus, they don't seem to know it yet, but has lost
the respect of a good half of the Republican Party.If we compare the
actions of Bill Clinton to Donald Trump, the question to ask is 'Who
inflicted the most harm on the country?' Clinton's action harmed the
country, did a fair bit of damage to the Office of the President and frankly
should have been forced from office. Yet who's actions were worse? There
is no question that Trump's actions were much more harmful to the country,
to our Republic. He certainly qualifies under the 'high crimes and
misdemeanors' clause of the Constitution.Should Trump be
impeached and found guilty? Probably, but it likely is not the correct action
to take. It would be better for the nation to have the Dems or someone else,
run a good honorable middle of the road candidate and beat Trump at the ballot
box. If forced from office via impeachment, the constitutional crisis would not
Lee is right on the money. The only thing he doesn't point out
is that having Democrats and their media allies continue to try to spin a report
that says the President is not guilty of anything criminal into evidence that
he should be impeached is a good way to paint themselves as simply sore losers.
In other words, forgetting the report and moving on to the next
anti-Trump tactic (or better yet - coming up with appealing ideas of their own
instead of just opposing the White House, but let's not expect too much)
would be the best strategy for Democrats. Will they be able to do
The Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, Lindsey Graham, admitted he has not
bothered to read the whole report, but he chairs the committee holding a hearing
on the substance of the report. To put your faith in folks whom use
alternative facts, dishonesty and ignorance as a base for their morals,
isn't a sane choice.But others have pointed out why Lee is
being vocal, lifetime appointment, and if not a book deal. The book/CD deals
work out well for politicians, that way when you can't donate more money,
you just buy their garbage, hatch was good at this, too.
I see no reasonable way to reconcile the actual co tent of the Mueller report
with the Republican narrarive thar it exonerates the President. Senator
Lee's conduct throughout this entire debacle has been partisan politics at
its worst and completely belies his self-created reputation for revering the
constitution. His conduct is disgraceful and he should resign. And Utah voters
shoild seriously reconsider their values if this is who they choose to represent
them in the senate.
I'm not a fan of Trump but I kind of agree with Mike Lee on this one. The
only reason I have no problems with Democrats pursuing this until the very end,
however, is I know if the shoe were on the other foot the Republicans would have
already impeached a Democrat president over this. Many Republicans including Lee
have proven that they are nothing more than extreme hypocrites when it comes to
conduct in the White House. Obama, perhaps less competent than some, was at
least a saint compared to what we have going on now. CAn we just throw out the
whole lot and start this whole thing over again?
Mike Lee is saying that he can't recognize or like or honor or respect the
truth. Just what I expected from him.
Lee is selling his book; nothing more. He is using is position and name
recognition to try and move a million+ copies of his "deep state" book
which is took time to write while on the payroll of the american taxpayer. Cut
from the same cloth as J. Chaffetz.Does he really think the
republicans don't play politics with democrats when the positions are
reversed?A lot of what the Dems are doing is stupid/shameful
politics. A lot of what is going on is having a shyster in the oval office. If
Lee were even half honest with his constituents he would call out the dems for
their corruption while at the same time calling out the president for his. But
the president has an "R" next to his name which means it would lessen
Lee's power if he were to do that.Mike, you are part of the
problem and I hope your book sales tank.
Why is it the GOP accuses the Democrats of being 'Socialists' when
they're the ones who asked a Socialist nation for help in the last election
and are working overtime to undermine our Constitution, our free press/speech,
our independent judicial and DOJ??If there's a
'Socialist' here, it's Donald J. Trump.
Maybe it's because Trump and his campaign tried multiple times to work with
the Russians to undermine an election opponent and then tried to silence
everyone who was trying to uncover it? Trump even famously, publicly asked the
Russians for help in a campaign speech in July 2016. Yeah, some of
us with a conscience really don't like treason. We don't like our
elections being manipulated by Russia and don't like our President or his
party ATTACKING everyone who has a problem with that behavior. ...and I'm a lifelong GOP voter, I just haven't shut down my
conscience for political motives. Mike should listen to his.
"Democrats have exploited the Mueller investigation to spread baseless
innuendo to undermine the effectiveness of President Donald Trump, Sen. Mike Lee
said Wednesday."____________________Democrats aren't
responsible for the illegalities and conduct reported by Mueller from his two
year long investigation. Mike Lee and other Republicans who try to mitigate
every dark embarrassing disclosure about Trump for the sake of party first are
making themselves look foolish and worse.
IN my opinion, Mike Lee wants so much to be on the Supreme Court that he will do
or say anything, Including back a mafia style criminal/Trump. Mike Lee has no
Lee is always good for a laugh. He doesn't understand why people
don't let go of the Mueller report. How long did Lee and his cohorts beat
the Benghazi attack into the ground? Looks pretty hypocritical to me.The main person that continually undermines the presidency is Trump.
There's plenty of dirt in the Mueller report make any nonpartisan person
question Trump's behavior and business dealings.
Perception is everything, and a month ago, the perception is our president obeys
the law. Very ironic, corrupt media builds up our 42nd president and then is
obsessed openly with his personal life, then builds up 43rd president after 911,
and then tears into him critically after the war didn't turn out cool;
Senator Lee is correct, media is what gives us perception, and the left runs a
lot of the media, yet perhaps media makes a lot of money off our current
president, and our media will want his re-election next year, because of humor
and smile and large personality that doesn't come from the other side of
the isle. Mr. Trump is genius on perception and how to use media, he is always
one step ahead of his opponents. He knows USA loves a winner; people who lost
the presidency in '96, '00, '04, '08 and '12 and
'16 didn't laugh much or use humor. Of course hard to laugh when you
are losing, and when opponent paints you in false perception. Not saying all is
good in our land, just that this is reality (perception); principle is more
important than humor, yet those with simple freedom principles have more cause
to smile and enjoy life.
Members of the Democratic party losing their minds?The Republican
Political Party has morphed into the trumpublican political cartel.The once proud Republican Political Party which was centered on fiscal
conservatism and family values is now led by an individual who is without
integrity, ethics or morals.Expoliting the Mueller Report to
undermine trump?The Mueller Report has shone a bright light on the
trump maladministration.Like shinning a light on a den of insects
scurrying to find cover, the trumpublican cartel is doing everything they can to
find political cover.Americans are not buying the mendacity the
dissembling trumpublicans are selling.
Any loyal, independent, honest, thinking American would be deeply concerned that
Obama did so little to prevent Russia from meddling in the US election.Such a person would be deeply concerned that Hillary conspired with Russian
agents to create and spread a false "dossier" on a candidate for
president.S/He would be very concerned that a so-called independent
counsel/investigator employed avowed anti-Trump persons on his team to
investigate Trump. Recusal at the first hint of personal bias is the standard in
all judicial proceedings. Mueller had investigators talking about insurance
policies against Trump winning. He fired them only when their bias became public
knowledge and could not be denied.Anyone committed to free and
honest elections in this nation would be deeply concerned with how a few
un-elected buearacrats have used their positions to leak out-of-context,
less-than-honest information in a conserted effort to delegtimize our duly
elected president.Mueller has taken issue with the tone of the Barr
summary, not with the material facts.Time to stop spinning and move
on.Or, assure Trump a 2nd term as Democrats offer nothing but
Any loyal, independent American would be concerned by what is in the Mueller
report. It clearly shows our President is unloyal and obstructed justice.
Now, if you want to classify independents and Republicans as "losing their
minds" and Democrats, than don't be upset when we refer to you as more
loyal to party than the principles on which we stand and expect from our
"'The fact is we've got a very significant deep state problem
here. We've got a very significant element within the U.S. Department of
Justice that appears to have been trying to delegitimize the outcome of the 2016
presidential election,' he said. 'That ought to disturb us.'"
- Mike LeeDear Senator Lee.Please explain how Obama, who
you and others claim was ineffective, was able to install a "deep state"
so insidious that Trump, who you consider a great leader, is powerless to combat
it.Explain how with 2 years of a Republican majority in the House
and Senate, and with a favorable Supreme Court, that not a single element of
this supposed 'deep state' has been exposed anywhere other than
Trump's tweets.Explain how the vast, vast majority of
corruption dismissals, performance dismissals and voluntary dismissals during
Trump's administration have been with the very people Trump himself
appointed. In fact, Trump has more turnover, indictments, guilty pleas and
convictions of his own appointees in 24 months than the previous 3 presidents
had in 24 YEARS combined.