Letter: Stop pandering Democrats

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  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 3, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    Garyobama
    That’s right. I know it does not fit your narrative, but he was not referring to the neo Nazis, nor was he referring to antifa. Because there are no very fine people in either of those groups.

    Glad you caught on.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    May 3, 2019 1:56 p.m.

    @ GaryO

    "911, on the other hand, was carried out by some people who happened to be Muslim but in no way represent the Muslim faith."

    They just happened to be Muslim?

    They in no way represent the Muslim faith?

    I would absolutely love to hear your explanation of their motive to fly airplanes into buildings in the US.

    Because if it wasn't because they were Muslim and if it wasn't because they were committing a terroristic act in the name of their religion, then I guess I don't know.

    Why don't you enlighten us?

    Did they just hate buildings?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 2, 2019 5:15 p.m.

    Hey Lost in DC -

    Re: " . . . he was referring to the people on both sides of the controversy surrounding leaving or removing confederate statues,"

    Oh, so in his very-fine-people quote, Trump was not referring to the hundreds of Trump supporters there. You know? The ones who the night before had terrorized the residents of Charlottesville, marching by torchlight and chanting, "You will not replace us! JEWS will not replace us!"

    That's funny, I thought Trump LOVED his fans.

    Barfolmew drew a comparison between Pearl Harbor and 911. But that's comparing apples to oranges. The Pearl Harbor attack was carried out by a nation state, not just some people from that nation state. 911, on the other hand, was carried out by some people who happened to be Muslim but in no way represent the Muslim faith.

    See the difference now? I'm glad I could help.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 2, 2019 3:04 p.m.

    Garyobama
    Too much MSNBC for you!

    When trump said there were good people on both sides, he was referring to the people on both sides of the controversy surrounding leaving or removing confederate statues, not antifa and the neo Nazis.

    Of course, since that truth does not fit MSNBC’s narrative, they would never tell it, and you would not know it. I’m glad I could shed light on that for you.

    Omar trostky’s comments were hardly an admission, they were an excuse.

    Here’s her excuse: “CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

    NO mention that people of her religion were involved in the attack.

    And where did barfolomew say anything about a religion or a state? I’m sorry his analogy was not clearer for you.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 2, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    Hey Barfolomew -

    Re: "When they taught you about Pearl Harbor in school, did they say that on December 7, 1941, "some people did something?""

    No, Japan is a nation state, not a religion.

    Hey lost in DC -

    Re: " . . . did anyone of national prominence excuse Lee by saying “some people did something”?"

    Worse.

    Brigham Young, who was nationally prominent at the time, blamed the massacre on the Paiute Indians. It wasn't until almost 20 years later that John D Lee was singled out to to be prosecuted and executed, even though many other Mormon had also participated in that massacre.

    At least Omar admits that it was people of her own religion who were responsible for 9-11. She did not blame it on the Paiutes.

    And speaking of pandering, don't you think it's time the Republicans stopped pandering to white supremacists, Nazis, and fascists?

    " . . . very fine people on both sides." - Donald Trump

    Do you think both Heather Heyer and her murderer were being very fine people that day in Charlottesville?

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    May 2, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    @scrappydo: "...America is full of ignorant voters of voting age..."

    Couldn't agree more--Trump is proof positive of that, as are many of the posts I have to sift thru on DN opinion page. Obviously people didn't see candidate Trump's public mockery of a handicapped reporter (this offends me deeply, as mother of an adult son on the Autism spectrum); or his campaign promise to stop all Muslims from immigrating to U.S. or force them all on a national "register" (you know--like Hitler made the Jews do), or see his treatment of a Muslim Gold Star family; or the constant lying coming from his mouth & twittering fingers; or his campaign rhetoric seeming to characterize all Mexicans as rapists, gang members, or drug lords; or see how unprofessional & juvenile he behaved at all his debates, incl. the primaries; or his bragging abt sexually assaulting women simply because he's rich & powerful & they let him "get away with it".

    Obviously many people were ignorant of these behaviors & characteristics (& more!) that he exhibited during the 2016 campaign, because otherwise, what does that say about the electorate who voted for a racist, religious bigot & predator who mocks the disabled.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 2, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    "Stop pandering democrats"

    that is why I vote GOP, to stop pandering democrats from taking power.

    I love the second way the English language allows you to interpret the headline.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    May 2, 2019 2:15 a.m.

    This is the Dem playbook

    Pander and pander until voters succumb and then lose their liberties ... it’s the typical socialist strategy.... and let’s face it... America is full of ignorant folks of voting age... by design I might add

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2019 5:08 p.m.

    Many winnable elections are lost by following a false trumpet. The Democrats are at risk for doing the same. It would not be that Trump wins, but rather that the Dems have lost. Thus far, Neither remains the better option.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    May 1, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    To "Stewart Epstein" if the Democrats stopped pandering they would actually have to explain their policies and positions and the consequences of those. If they actually explained the consequences of their policies and positions, nobody would vote for them.

    To "embarrassed Utahn!" actually no. Omar's comments were not taken out of context. She really did dismiss the 9/11 attacks, in addition to her anti-Semitic comments that she has made.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    May 1, 2019 11:50 a.m.

    President Trump won entirely because of who his opponent was. As Dennis Miller recently pointed out, the ballot might as well have read "not Hillary".

    All the Democrats have to do to win is nominate someone less scary to the swing voters than President Trump.

    Unfortunately, in order to be nominated the successful candidate has to pander to the more extreme portions of the Democratic base, which makes them look extreme themselves, which makes them scary to swing voters.

    Really, the best option for the Democrats would be "get the scary extremists out of your party, so that your candidates look less extreme generally." Rather the reverse seems to be happening.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 1, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    @embarrassed Utahn! "Omar‘s comments were not dismissing the act of terror that took place on 9/11!"

    If she had called it an act of terror, I don't think anyone would have taken offense. But she only said it was "something."

    Here are her words: "CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."

    (CAIR was founded in 1994.)

    Read her entire talk. The act of terror was barely referenced.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    May 1, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    @ GaryO

    "Omar was making the point that some people did something, and millions of other Muslims got blamed for it. That is a valid point."

    The point may be valid, but the insensitivity shown by Omar is the point of why she's taken a whole lotta heat for saying it. . When they taught you about Pearl Harbor in school, did they say that on December 7, 1941, "some people did something?"

    And to your point of labeling a whole group for the actions of a few, do you mean kinda like when the left considered all conservatives to be white supremacists because one person killed another person in Charlottesville? Or that all conservatives are racists because we want border security? Is that what you mean? Something like that?

  • Eponymous Eggplant Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2019 9:31 a.m.

    "... most of the national Democrats seem to believe that they always have to go overboard and to ridiculous lengths and extremes ..."
    Could it be that the Democratic party is actually moving even further left, leaving Democrats with sensible positions, like the author, in the lurch?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 1, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    Re: "Some people did something"

    No, there is nothing "morally wrong" about saying that.

    Omar was making the point that some people did something, and millions of other Muslims got blamed for it. That is a valid point. I'll tell you what is morally wrong. It is morally wrong to blame millions of innocent people for what some people did.

    John D Lee and his bunch wiped out a wagon train and murdered 120 innocent men, women, and children. Should we forever blame all Mormons for what some people did?

    If not, then why not?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    May 1, 2019 7:21 a.m.

    While I like the substance of this person's argument (stop saying stupid stuff, Democrats), isn't time we hear that from the GOP?

    We won't hear the GOP say 'stop saying stupid stuff' because stupid stuff is the doctrine of the GOP as embodied in their elected leader. Trump says stupid stuff every day, and then lies to the American public with impunity. Isn't it time someone in GOP circles put this out about their dear leader?

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2019 7:06 a.m.

    Another good strategy would be to stop demonizing Democrats over words taken out of context. Omar‘s comments were not dismissing the act of terror that took place on 9/11! That’s what trump and minions would like everyone to believe though.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    May 1, 2019 7:06 a.m.

    I'm afraid I have to agree with much of this letter.