GaryobamaThat’s right. I know it does not fit your narrative, but he
was not referring to the neo Nazis, nor was he referring to antifa. Because
there are no very fine people in either of those groups.Glad you
@ GaryO"911, on the other hand, was carried out by some people
who happened to be Muslim but in no way represent the Muslim faith."They just happened to be Muslim? They in no way represent
the Muslim faith?I would absolutely love to hear your explanation of
their motive to fly airplanes into buildings in the US. Because if
it wasn't because they were Muslim and if it wasn't because they were
committing a terroristic act in the name of their religion, then I guess I
don't know. Why don't you enlighten us?Did
they just hate buildings?
Hey Lost in DC -Re: " . . . he was referring to the people on
both sides of the controversy surrounding leaving or removing confederate
statues,"Oh, so in his very-fine-people quote, Trump was not
referring to the hundreds of Trump supporters there. You know? The ones who the
night before had terrorized the residents of Charlottesville, marching by
torchlight and chanting, "You will not replace us! JEWS will not replace
us!"That's funny, I thought Trump LOVED his fans.Barfolmew drew a comparison between Pearl Harbor and 911. But that's
comparing apples to oranges. The Pearl Harbor attack was carried out by a
nation state, not just some people from that nation state. 911, on the other
hand, was carried out by some people who happened to be Muslim but in no way
represent the Muslim faith.See the difference now? I'm glad I
GaryobamaToo much MSNBC for you!When trump said there were
good people on both sides, he was referring to the people on both sides of the
controversy surrounding leaving or removing confederate statues, not antifa and
the neo Nazis.Of course, since that truth does not fit MSNBC’s
narrative, they would never tell it, and you would not know it. I’m glad I
could shed light on that for you.Omar trostky’s comments were
hardly an admission, they were an excuse. Here’s her excuse:
“CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did
something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil
liberties.”NO mention that people of her religion were
involved in the attack.And where did barfolomew say anything about a
religion or a state? I’m sorry his analogy was not clearer for you.
Hey Barfolomew - Re: "When they taught you about Pearl Harbor in
school, did they say that on December 7, 1941, "some people did
something?""No, Japan is a nation state, not a religion.Hey lost in DC -Re: " . . . did anyone of national
prominence excuse Lee by saying “some people did something”?"Worse.Brigham Young, who was nationally prominent at the
time, blamed the massacre on the Paiute Indians. It wasn't until almost 20
years later that John D Lee was singled out to to be prosecuted and executed,
even though many other Mormon had also participated in that massacre.At least Omar admits that it was people of her own religion who were
responsible for 9-11. She did not blame it on the Paiutes.And
speaking of pandering, don't you think it's time the Republicans
stopped pandering to white supremacists, Nazis, and fascists?"
. . . very fine people on both sides." - Donald TrumpDo you
think both Heather Heyer and her murderer were being very fine people that day
@scrappydo: "...America is full of ignorant voters of voting age..."Couldn't agree more--Trump is proof positive of that, as are many
of the posts I have to sift thru on DN opinion page. Obviously people
didn't see candidate Trump's public mockery of a handicapped reporter
(this offends me deeply, as mother of an adult son on the Autism spectrum); or
his campaign promise to stop all Muslims from immigrating to U.S. or force them
all on a national "register" (you know--like Hitler made the Jews do),
or see his treatment of a Muslim Gold Star family; or the constant lying coming
from his mouth & twittering fingers; or his campaign rhetoric seeming to
characterize all Mexicans as rapists, gang members, or drug lords; or see how
unprofessional & juvenile he behaved at all his debates, incl. the
primaries; or his bragging abt sexually assaulting women simply because
he's rich & powerful & they let him "get away with it".
Obviously many people were ignorant of these behaviors &
characteristics (& more!) that he exhibited during the 2016 campaign,
because otherwise, what does that say about the electorate who voted for a
racist, religious bigot & predator who mocks the disabled.
"Stop pandering democrats"that is why I vote GOP, to stop
pandering democrats from taking power.I love the second way the
English language allows you to interpret the headline.
This is the Dem playbookPander and pander until voters succumb and
then lose their liberties ... it’s the typical socialist strategy.... and
let’s face it... America is full of ignorant folks of voting age... by
design I might add
Many winnable elections are lost by following a false trumpet. The Democrats are
at risk for doing the same. It would not be that Trump wins, but rather that the
Dems have lost. Thus far, Neither remains the better option.
To "Stewart Epstein" if the Democrats stopped pandering they would
actually have to explain their policies and positions and the consequences of
those. If they actually explained the consequences of their policies and
positions, nobody would vote for them.To "embarrassed
Utahn!" actually no. Omar's comments were not taken out of context. She
really did dismiss the 9/11 attacks, in addition to her anti-Semitic comments
that she has made.
President Trump won entirely because of who his opponent was. As Dennis Miller
recently pointed out, the ballot might as well have read "not Hillary".
All the Democrats have to do to win is nominate someone less scary
to the swing voters than President Trump. Unfortunately, in order
to be nominated the successful candidate has to pander to the more extreme
portions of the Democratic base, which makes them look extreme themselves, which
makes them scary to swing voters. Really, the best option for the
Democrats would be "get the scary extremists out of your party, so that your
candidates look less extreme generally." Rather the reverse seems to be
@embarrassed Utahn! "Omar‘s comments were not dismissing the act of
terror that took place on 9/11!"If she had called it an act of
terror, I don't think anyone would have taken offense. But she only said it
was "something."Here are her words: "CAIR was founded
after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all
of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."(CAIR
was founded in 1994.)Read her entire talk. The act of terror was
@ GaryO"Omar was making the point that some people did
something, and millions of other Muslims got blamed for it. That is a valid
point."The point may be valid, but the insensitivity shown by
Omar is the point of why she's taken a whole lotta heat for saying it. .
When they taught you about Pearl Harbor in school, did they say that on December
7, 1941, "some people did something?"And to your point of
labeling a whole group for the actions of a few, do you mean kinda like when the
left considered all conservatives to be white supremacists because one person
killed another person in Charlottesville? Or that all conservatives are racists
because we want border security? Is that what you mean? Something like that?
"... most of the national Democrats seem to believe that they always have to
go overboard and to ridiculous lengths and extremes ..."Could it be
that the Democratic party is actually moving even further left, leaving
Democrats with sensible positions, like the author, in the lurch?
Re: "Some people did something"No, there is nothing
"morally wrong" about saying that.Omar was making the point
that some people did something, and millions of other Muslims got blamed for it.
That is a valid point. I'll tell you what is morally wrong. It is morally
wrong to blame millions of innocent people for what some people did.John D Lee and his bunch wiped out a wagon train and murdered 120 innocent
men, women, and children. Should we forever blame all Mormons for what some
people did?If not, then why not?
While I like the substance of this person's argument (stop saying stupid
stuff, Democrats), isn't time we hear that from the GOP?We
won't hear the GOP say 'stop saying stupid stuff' because stupid
stuff is the doctrine of the GOP as embodied in their elected leader. Trump
says stupid stuff every day, and then lies to the American public with impunity.
Isn't it time someone in GOP circles put this out about their dear leader?
Another good strategy would be to stop demonizing Democrats over words taken out
of context. Omar‘s comments were not dismissing the act of terror that
took place on 9/11! That’s what trump and minions would like everyone to
I'm afraid I have to agree with much of this letter.