Maybe we should be asking what would drive a 19 year old with an A average in
high school, a talented musician, no criminal record, to do such a terrible
thing? It was not the gun that created this action. "John
Earnest — the 19-year-old man who police say entered a Southern California
synagogue, murdered a 60-year-old woman and injured several more people on
Saturday — claims to have acted, in part, to avenge the death of Simon of
Trent.“You are not forgotten Simon of Trent, the horror that
you and countless children have endured at the hands of the Jews will never be
forgiven,” he wrote in a manifesto uploaded to the text repository"And before anyone tries to blame Trump, Jake Tapper just came out and
admitted Trump did not say neo-nazis were good people too.
Here are the actual CDC numbers, not hyped by anti gun propaganda.."Number of emergency department visits for self-inflicted injury:
575,000All suicides Number of deaths: 44,965Firearm
suicides Number of deaths: 22,938Suffocation suicides Number of
deaths: 11,642Poisoning suicides Number of deaths: 6,698Emergency department visits Number of emergency department visits for
assault: 1.6 millionAll homicides Number of deaths: 19,362Firearm homicides Number of deaths: 14,415
Ask Venezuelans what they think now of total gun confiscation. Ask them who is
running around the country indiscriminantly killing citizens, armed Maduro
supporters who are the ones allowed to have guns after they stripped gun
ownership from everyone else. This is part of the socialists plan
of controlling the population. I mean how often are we told we should have no
fear of our government."Anyone with merely a cursory knowledge
of Sanders' career knows that during the 1970s and 1980s he supported and
defended "authoritarian" communist regimes. Bernie not only
supports the cultural prowess of the Soviet Union, he praises Fidel Castro and
the Nicaraguan Sandinistas' leadership, both of which were
"authoritarian" regimes. Castro's regime killed "tens of
thousands" of Cubans"To get to were Bernie and a dozen of
the other 2020 candidates want to go will end up no better than Venzuela.
@ Dart Thrower"NoNames Accepted, gun laws by state in the US
don't matter. There are no checks at the borders and people are free to
purchase guns, ammo and clips in one state and drive unimpeded into another
state. Your railing against the gun laws in California mattereth not. The entire
nation will always be subject to whatever the weakest gun law is in any
state."It is already illegal for a California resident to
purchase a handgun in any other state, and even sale of a long gun must comply
with California laws, which require it to be sent to a California dealer for
their background check and waiting period.The lie that high violence
in gun ban areas is because somewhere else has weak laws is absurd. If weak gun
laws caused violence then that location would have even more violence than
places like CA, but they don't.It's not the guns,
it's the criminals and crazy people.
@Thid Barker" Over 11,000 people are killed in drunk driving accidents
each year in the United States – and one person dies in a drunk driving
accident every 45 minutes Far more people are killed by drunk drivers than by
guns"We average 10,000 gun related homicides a year.
I thought ultra liner California had very strict gun control. Surprised this guy
didn’t hand it over to Newsom in January.
"Over 11,000 people are killed in drunk driving accidents each year in the
United States –and one person dies in a drunk driving accident every 45
minutes Far more people are killed by drunk drivers than by guns!"Thid, here are the facts:"There were 39,773 gun deaths in
2017, up by more than 1,000 from the year before. Nearly two-thirds were
suicides. It was the largest yearly total on record in the C.D.C.’s
electronic database, which goes back 50 years, and reflects the sheer number of
lives lost."Please keep it real.
Thid Barker - Victor, ID---By the way, an armed, off duty border
patrol officer returned fire against this shooter and saved lives! Thus we see,
again, that a good guy with a gun was what stopped a bad buy with a gun!---From the report the suspect was running away from the scene.
There was mention that the firearm he had, had malfunctioned. The CBP officer
fired on the suspect as he was leaving, missed, but struck the car.According to the article the fact that there was an armed person in the
congregation, did not 'stop' a bad guy from firing into the synagogue,
killing and injuring members, and then leave the scene.By your logic
it's ok that a few get killed in such incidents because eventually an armed
person may eventually stop the carnage.How about effective gun
control, and limiting the type of weapons available to the general public. Of
course criminals will always find a way to circumvent law. That's a
definition of a criminal. But the point of control is to limit the number of
firearms available for such criminal use.
Frozen: Over 11,000 people are killed in drunk driving accidents each year in
the United States – and one person dies in a drunk driving accident every
45 minutes Far more people are killed by drunk drivers than by guns! Any death
is terrible, yet we have people who don't get outraged at drinking. Why, I
wonder? By the way, an armed, off duty border patrol officer returned fire
against this shooter and saved lives! Thus we see, again, that a good guy with a
gun was what stopped a bad buy with a gun! Obviously, what we need to stop bad
guys with guns is more good guys with guns! Can't say that about drunk
@NoNamesAccepted"If Cali gun laws won't prevent horrible
crimes--and they won't, and neither with total bans such as in GB, NZ,
et"Not when your standard requires elimination of all gun
violence. Policies can certainly reduce gun violence. After all, it's not
like any beer law eliminates 100% of drunk driving so by your logic we
shouldn't even bother with the .05 standard.
Yet another angry/hate filled white male. Can we stop pretending the biggest
threats to or communities is outsiders yet?
This should not have happened.The ownership of assault weapons and
handguns should require proper training and certification.The head
in the sand mentality of Republicans is ridiculous. If we can
greatly reduce intoxicated drivers, we can reduce gun violence.
It's a good thing an off-duty police officer was there to take a shot at
him or things might have been much worse. Too bad he missed but I imagine that
was a pretty tough shot under that kind of pressure.
NoNames Accepted, gun laws by state in the US don't matter. There are no
checks at the borders and people are free to purchase guns, ammo and clips in
one state and drive unimpeded into another state. Your railing against the gun
laws in California mattereth not. The entire nation will always be subject to
whatever the weakest gun law is in any state.
@Hutterite: "No room for discussion of real solutions."But
demonstrably never too early for people to use horrible crimes for their own
political purposes.What "real" solutions do you propose?And how do you have any idea such ideas would have any benefit relative
to what just happened? We know nothing about this except a location, number
injured, and a gun of some sort was used. So what do you propose that Cali
doesn't already do?Cali has red flag laws, safe storage laws,
limits on magazine size, has banned scarey looking guns, has a waiting period,
bans private sales--all sales go through a dealer with background check--and in
most counties, refuses to issue permits to carry for self defense.So
what do you propose that Cali doesn't already have on their books? Don't expect me to give any more respect to your favorite court
invented rights than you will give to my constitutionally, explicitly enumerated
@Hutterite: "Thoughts and prayers, now is not the time, where is the
outrage?"We are all outraged. Did you notice this happened in
Cali where all magazines over 10 rounds are outlawed. Sportster model rifles are
also illegal. Private party sales are illegal. California imposes a safe storage
law. It has a red flag (or extreme risk) seizure law. And in most counties, it
is impossible for regular people to get permits to carry.Which laws
exactly do you propose to prevent these crimes that Cali does not already
have?It is one thing to falsely equate outrage with justification to
pass more laws in places like Utah or Idaho. But in Cali? Give it a rest. If
Cali gun laws won't prevent horrible crimes--and they won't, and
neither with total bans such as in GB, NZ, etc--then no laws will.My
rights to an effective self defense against the very criminals lefties release
from prison early, are subject to irrational phobias or emphatic demands.
Thoughts and prayers, now is not the time, where is the outrage.No
room for discussion of real solutions.