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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 1, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "Show me single team in major college football history that ever jumped from #7 pre-bowl to #1 post-bowl."

    According to the NCAA, the 2008 Utes did just that! Haha!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 1, 2019 2:26 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "Got anymore myths for me to disprove?"

    I do. But first go back and "prove" me wrong. Your "May 1, 2019 1:28 p.m." didn't "disprove" anything. It was just a "claim". "Claims" aren't the same thing as "proof". So "prove" it little bro!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 1, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    Actually my teeny-tiny little bro, what's "Totally FALSE" is the argument that losing a game in mid-September of the prior year would impact one's preseason ranking before the beginning of the ensuing one -- 11-months later! And such a mid-Sept. loss would be ESPECIALLY irrelevant for a team who'd won 8 of it's last 9 games -- including its bowl win.

    You indy-WACers are the only ones who try to insist a prior season's record determines the subsequent season's preseason positioning, because...

    1. You're all "uneducated". Just ask mendenmidmajor.
    2. You're all STILL desperately trying to convince both yourselves, as well as everybody else, that you all accomplished something in '84. Because everybody knows you didn't. All you'd done was just "back in" to the top spot. Nothing more. And that's why SOS became a metric thereafter.
    3. Because you know how far your big brother on the hill had surpassed your small-ball, indy-irrelevant, WACish and midmajory program.....and you're teeming with envy. Haha!

    Your tears are delicious!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 1, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    navelvet

    "First of all, what happened in 2007 had no basis in how we'd started the 2008 season."

    Totally FALSE!

    Preseason polls establish a pecking order.

    Win, and you move up.

    Lose, and you move down.

    BYU ended 1983 ranked #7 in both polls - BYU had already proven themselves as legitimate with FOUR 11+ win, Top 12 finishes in the previous five seasons.

    Utah ended 2007 unranked (for the third straight season) - Utah hadn't proven any legitimacy. To the poll voters, Utah's 2004 season was nothing more than a flash in the pan that had only had ONE 11+ win season in their entire history.

    The end results speak for themselves.

    BYU ended the 1984 regular season ranked #1 in AP and Coaches.
    Utah ended the 2008 regular season ranked #6 BCS, #7 in AP and Coaches.

    Show me single team in major college football history that ever jumped from #7 pre-bowl to #1 post-bowl.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 1, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    re: phoenix: “After week 1, BYU was ranked #13/#12.”

    navelvet: But ONLY because they’d received a huge artificial boost by beating Pitt in their season opener.

    NOPE!

    Because Robbie Bosco had proven he was a capable replacement for Steve Young.

    Except for Young, the majority of BYU's #7 Final ranked 1983 had returned for 1984.

    Unlike Utah 2008, which didn't receive a single vote in either preseason poll,

    BYU 1984 started the season in the AP Top 25.

    ---

    Got anymore myths for me to disprove?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 1, 2019 12:19 p.m.

    phoenix:

    “After week 1, BYU was ranked #13/#12.”

    But ONLY because they’d received a huge artificial boost by beating Pitt in their season opener. In the preseason, Pitt was ranked the #3 team in the country, but that preseason ranking proved vastly overstated. Had the tdS played that very same Pitt team in week 14, when the Panthers were 2-7-1, they wouldn’t have entered that game ranked #1. They’d be somewhere in the Top-10, but not #1. And after beating them (assuming you all would have won that game), you STILL wouldn’t have ascended to #1 – neither after that game, nor after the Holiday Bowl.

    Fact.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 1, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    phoenix:

    "NOPE!...It prevented Utah from starting the 2008 season ranked."

    No it didn't. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    First of all, what happened in 2007 had no basis in how we'd started the 2008 season.
    And even if that cougar folklore tale about prior seasons impacting subsequent season's "preseason ranking", a loss in September of the prior year would NOT have ANY influence in the media's choices of top teams 11-months later. And ESPECIALLY not for a team who'd gone 8-1 from late Sept thru their bowl win in December.

    Epic fail.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 1, 2019 11:30 a.m.

    azute1

    re: “That loss was a significant factor in Utah not being a national championship contender in 2008.”

    Nonsense......Think ‘84 BYU starting the year UNranked.....’07 was entirely irrelevant.

    NOPE, the absolute TRUTH!

    1984 BYU was one of six teams in others receiving votes in the AP preseason poll, "unranked" ONLY because the polls only ranked the Top 20 in 1984.

    After week 1, BYU was ranked #13/#12
    After week 2, BYU was ranked #8/#6 (right back where they'd finished in 1983)
    After week 12, BYU was ranked #1/#1 with 40 AP and 30 Coaches first place votes

    -----------

    2008 Utah didn't receive a single vote in the AP preseason poll, even though 37 other teams did

    After week 1, Utah was ranked #22/#23
    After week 2, Utah was ranked #22/#22
    After week 9, Utah finally cracked the Top 10 at #10/#9
    After week 14, Utah was #7/#7

    It took Utah 2008 14 weeks to be ranked as high as BYU 1984 was ranked after week 2.

    Utah didn't received a single first place vote in either poll during the entire regular season.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 1, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    navel vet

    ""That [Utah] loss [to UNLV] was a significant factor in Utah not being a national championship contender in 2008"

    No it wasn't. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you!"

    NOPE!

    It prevented Utah from starting the 2008 season ranked, which kept Utah from reaching the Top 10 until November, way too late to become a legitimate national championship contender.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 30, 2019 11:12 p.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    "1985 BYU's 16-23 upset loss to UTEP...was nothing, compared to...2007 Utah's 0-27 upset loss to UNLV."

    Quite right. An 11-3, 16th-ranked cougar team losing to a 1-win UTEP team was substantially more embarrassing than a 9-4, unranked Utah team losing to a 3-win UNLV squad. But LOL at your epic fail in trying to make believe otherwise.

    "That [Utah] loss [to UNLV] was a significant factor in Utah not being a national championship contender in 2008"

    No it wasn't. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 30, 2019 10:24 p.m.

    blue n gold:

    “Nope, Craig Thompson drove BYU into Independence with his ridiculous television contracts."

    Wrong! It was Holmoe! At no point ever did Craig Thompson have the power to force ANYONE's hand into whether or not they'd be a good-standing member of the MWC. Membership in the MWC is a "choice", invitations can only be extended by the presidents/chancellors of that league. No one is "forced" to join or leave, and Thompson has never had the authority to invite nor expel any school. Period.

    The truth is, Utah got the invite you all made believe was imminently coming your way during the previous 3 decades, and Holmoe reacted by yanking his school out of the most relevant midmajor league in the country. Holmoe's knee-jerk reaction subsequently led to the downward trajectory of your school. Holmoe's! Not Thompson's! Own it!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 30, 2019 4:19 p.m.

    “1985 BYU's 16-23 upset loss to UTEP

    was nothing, compared to

    2007 Utah's 0-27 upset loss to UNLV.”

    That’s utterly absurd.....Which part of 35 point favorite eludes you?

    Not only was their UTEP L significantly worse than our UNLV L, it was literally an epic meltdown of historical proportions.

    “That loss was a significant factor in Utah not being a national championship contender in 2008.”

    Nonsense......Think ‘84 byu-p starting the year UNranked.....’07 was entirely irrelevant.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 30, 2019 4:15 p.m.

    “The ONLY polls that the BCS had any control over were the computer rankings and that was only in stipulating that margin of victory could not be used as a factor in their formulas.”

    100% inaccurate as there was absolutely a human element to it.....35 point favorite losing = Epic meltdown.

    “If that wasn't true, Utah 2004, which only beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records, none of them better than 7-5, would NEVER have been ranked in the Top 10.”

    Our ‘04 team never was upset even once [destroying every single opponent] & certainly not as a 35 point favorite.

    btw, big upsets happen all the time - see Utah upsetting then unranked, final #3, USC

    The Trojans would have destroyed the Utes if they'd played in mid November, instead of mid September.”

    Pure fantasy/wishful-thinking.....USC was clearly at the top of their game & still lost to us.....The anguish this fact obviously causes you is your problem, not ours.

    “Don't forget, that's the same Utah team that lost to 4-8 Oregon at home and barely squeaked by 6-7 Indiana.”

    Both of which were more talented/better teams than byu-p.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    1985 BYU's 16-23 upset loss to UTEP

    was nothing, compared to

    2007 Utah's 0-27 upset loss to UNLV.

    Coming off of one of the biggest wins in school history (a 44-6 beat down of UCLA) , the Utes next faced UNLV. Utah's offense struggled the entire game turning the ball over 4 times and never scored, being shut-out for the first time since 1993. The Ute defense was dominated by a strong Rebel running attack. UNLV RB Frank Summers rushed for 190-yards and 2 TDs on 29 carries leading the way to the Rebel's first win over the Utes since 1979.

    That loss was a significant factor in Utah not being a national championship contender in 2008.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    April 30, 2019 12:30 p.m.

    AZUTE1 - Mesa, AZ
    April 30, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    "That wasn’t merely a routine upset.....Under BCS standards, ‘85 BYU never gets ranked so highly in the first place. 35 point favorites—Unbelievable."

    Nothing screams obsession quite like a fan of the 2nd most rival-obsessed fanbase in the country citing the predicted point spread of an upset loss that happened FOUR DECADES ago.

    Unfreakingbelievable!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 30, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    AZUTE1 - Mesa, AZ
    April 30, 2019 11:44 a.m.
    "That wasn’t merely a routine upset.....Under BCS standards, ‘85 BYU never gets ranked so highly in the first place."

    That's a completely FALSE claim.

    AP and Coaches poll rankings don't have anything to do with the BCS.

    The ONLY polls that the BCS had any control over were the computer rankings and that was only in stipulating that margin of victory could not be used as a factor in their formulas.

    If that wasn't true, Utah 2004, which only beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records, none of them better than 7-5, would NEVER have been ranked in the Top 10.

    btw, big upsets happen all the time - see Utah upsetting then unranked, final #3, USC

    The Trojans would have destroyed the Utes if they'd played in mid November, instead of mid September.

    Don't forget, that's the same Utah team that lost to 4-8 Oregon at home and barely squeaked by 6-7 Indiana.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 30, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    That wasn’t merely a routine upset.....Under BCS standards, ‘85 byu-p never gets ranked so highly in the first place.

    35 point favorites—Unbelievable.

    Go Utes!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 30, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Try doing a little research into the BCS rules for receiving the non-BCS auto bid...

    instead of just spouting off.

    Guaranteed, suffering an upset loss is NOT an automatic disqualifier.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 30, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    azute1

    "‘85 BYU lost to 1-10 UTEP as 35 point favorites.....They would’ve been in contention for nothing."

    yawn, that's just your crimson goggled opinion, upsets happen

    1985 BYU finished the regular season ranked #9 in both the AP and Coaches polls,
    and BEAT the only other non-BCS team that would have been in contention for the non-BCS conference auto berth.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 30, 2019 4:33 a.m.

    “1985 BYU (10-2), #9 AP and #9 Coaches, would have had a very good chance. The only other non-BCS team in the mix would have been Air Force (11-1), #10 AP and #7 Coaches, whom BYU beat 28-21. Probably the greatest team in Air Force history.”

    ‘85 byu lost to 1-10 UTEP as 35 point favorites.....They would’ve been in contention for nothing.

    Go Utes!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 29, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    utemythology

    Despite your spin, the hardware remains the same.

    BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame contains:

    5 National Championship Trophies
    (AP, Coaches, Football Writers of America, National Football Foundation, and USA/CNN)

    1 Heisman Trophy
    4 Davey O'Brien Trophies (Nation's Best QB)
    7 Sammy Baugh Trophies (Nation's Best Passer)
    1 Maxwell Award (Nation's Best All-around Player)
    1 Doak Walker Award (Nation's Best RB)
    2 Outland Trophies (Nation's Best Interior Lineman)
    6 National College Football Hall of Fame Awards

    Utah's trophy closet contains:

    2 also-ran BCS bowl trophies
    some kicking awards
    and a whole bunch of imaginary SOS trophies

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 29, 2019 9:31 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Which one of your post 1984 teams would sniff a BCS invite?"

    1996 BYU (13-1), as already discussed, would have been a lock.

    1985 BYU (10-2), #9 AP and #9 Coaches, would have had a very good chance. The only other non-BCS team in the mix would have been Air Force (11-1), #10 AP and #7 Coaches, whom BYU beat 28-21. Probably the greatest team in Air Force history.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 29, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    utemythology

    re: Utah’s 1944 NCAA tournament winning team wouldn’t even qualify for a D-III tournament today.

    -----

    "True, but our 1961, 1966, 1998 Final Four teams would."

    There's no evidence whatsoever that Utah 1961 and 1966 team would have made it to the Final Four in a 64-team tournament.

    1961 Utah only beat LMU and Arizona, before getting crushed by Cincinnati and losing to Saint Joseph's in the third-place game.

    1961 Utah finished 2-2 in the tourney.

    ---------

    1966 Utah beat Pacific and Oregon State, before losing to Texas Western (UTEP) and Duke in the third-place game.

    1966 Utah finished 2-2 in the tourney.

    --------

    Bottom line:

    1944 Utah only had to win ONE NCAA tournament game to advance to the Final Four, and that was after getting bounced out of the NIT in the First Round.

    1961 and 1966 Utah didn't even have winning records in the NCAA tournament.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 29, 2019 8:32 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Which one of your post 1984 teams would sniff a BCS invite?"

    1996 BYU, was ranked #5 in both the AP and Coaches final regular season polls, and would have been a LOCK for a BCS berth if the BCS had existed then. The next closest non-BCS team was #22 Wyoming (10-2).

    The only teams ranked ahead of #5 BYU (13-1) were
    #1 Florida State (11-0)
    #2 Arizona State (11-0)
    #3 Florida (11-1)
    #4 Ohio State (10-1)

    by comparison,

    2008 Utah, was ranked #7 in both the AP and Coaches final regular season polls, behind
    #1 Florida (12-1)
    #2 Oklahoma (12-1)
    #3 Texas (11-1)
    #4 Alabama (12-1)
    #5 USC (11-1)
    #6 Penn State (11-1)

    1996 BYU was actually much closer to being in contention for a national championship at the end of the regular season, than 2008 Utah was.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 28, 2019 6:00 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “Yes just teams like Yale, Princeton, Navy.”

    Nope, those are teams who, like the Utes, have never accomplished anything of significance since the AP and Coaches polls were created.

    1984 BYU was just like 1983 Miami and 1985 Oklahoma, teams that earned enough respect from the majority of poll voters to be ranked #1 AP and #1 Coaches.

    Something that our jealous little brothers on the hill have never even come close to doing...

    and never will.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    April 28, 2019 5:33 p.m.

    utemythology

    “No they weren't, AP voters in 1984 didn't have a #1 vs #2 national championship game.”

    If #1 vs #2 was the criteria in 2004 and 2008, then you've got nothing to whine about, because Utah has NEVER been ranked #1 or #2 in any major final regular season poll.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 28, 2019 3:59 p.m.

    TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    April 28, 2019 8:57 a.m.
    Utemythology

    “BYU never finished higher than #14 BCS and has yet to crack the CFP poll.”

    yawn

    Despite your #6 BCS finishes and mid-teen CFP poll rankings, Utah has never been a legitimate contender for a national championship.

    Enjoy your SOS trophies...

    BYU fans will continue to enjoy our Crystal Football National Championship and Heisman Trophies.

    ------

    Yes just teams like Yale, Princeton, Navy.

    BYU fans will continue to enjoy margin of defeats sitting 3rd in State.

    Wrong, Utah's 16 1st place AP votes in 2008 by definition is a NC contender.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 28, 2019 3:36 p.m.

    Road Runner - Cedar City, UT
    April 27, 2019 9:56 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “BYU never finished higher than #14 BCS and has yet to crack the CFP poll.”

    LOL at your completely irrelevant straw man.

    Here’s a clue,

    Utah’s 1944 NCAA tournament winning team wouldn’t even qualify for a D-III tournament today.

    -----

    True, but our 1961, 1966, 1998 Final Four teams would.

    Which one of your post 1984 teams would sniff a BCS invite?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 28, 2019 3:08 p.m.

    Road Runner - Cedar City, UT
    April 27, 2019 9:46 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “Nonsense, under tougher standards Utah received 16 1st place AP votes.”

    The “standards” for the AP poll in 2008 were EXACTLY the same as they were in 1984.

    -----

    No they weren't, AP voters in 1984 didn't have a #1 vs #2 national championship game.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    April 28, 2019 2:21 p.m.

    LeftCoastUte,
    What was the Utes home and away average basketball attendance compared to BYU since they parted way in 2010?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 28, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    It's truly amazing to me how Ute fans still feel the need to make snarky remarks regarding all things BYU, in a sadly failed attempt to equate themselves with the Major Achievements which the BYU Legacy has already produced.

    -Unanimous National Championship
    -Heisman Memorial Trophy
    -Outland Trophies
    -Davey Obrian Trophies
    -Doak Walker Trophy
    -Maxwell Trophy
    -Sammy Baugh Trophies

    7 Hall of Famers
    Super Bowl and NFL MVPs

    23 Conference Championships et al.

    Wordy pontifications will never dismiss actual accomplishments.

    Move on Utes and stop trying to be BYU, carve your own path.
    It's an insecure fan who continually compares themselves to their Big Brother and only rival.

    BYU is proud to be BYU and does not think twice about trying to be Utah.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    April 28, 2019 8:57 a.m.

    Utemythology

    “BYU never finished higher than #14 BCS and has yet to crack the CFP poll.”

    yawn

    Despite your #6 BCS finishes and mid-teen CFP poll rankings, Utah has never been a legitimate contender for a national championship.

    Enjoy your SOS trophies...

    BYU fans will continue to enjoy our Crystal Football National Championship and Heisman Trophies.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    April 27, 2019 9:56 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “BYU never finished higher than #14 BCS and has yet to crack the CFP poll.”

    LOL at your completely irrelevant straw man.

    Here’s a clue,

    Utah’s 1944 NCAA tournament winning team wouldn’t even qualify for a D-III tournament today.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    April 27, 2019 9:46 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “Nonsense, under tougher standards Utah received 16 1st place AP votes.”

    The “standards” for the AP poll in 2008 were EXACTLY the same as they were in 1984.

    The HUGE difference between BYU 1984 and Utah 2008, is BYU had built a ton of street cred with the voters from 1979 to 1984 - FIVE Top 12 finishes in 6 seasons - while Utah wasn’t even ranked from 2005 to 2007, and had absolutely NO street cred.

    The elephant in the room that you continue to ignore is that the same AP voters who didn’t rank you in 2005, 2006 or 2007, were the same voters who ranked you #7 in the final regular season poll.

    They knew EXACTLY who you’d beaten, and they obviously weren’t nearly as impressed with your “top 25” wins as you were, which is why U finished a distant 2nd in the final 2008 AP poll.

    Florida received THREE rimes as many 1st place votes as Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 27, 2019 3:49 p.m.

    TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    April 27, 2019 1:25 p.m.
    azute1

    “You failed to even make an apples-to-apples comparison.....Fact is, byu-p has NEVER beaten four final ranked opponents in a single year, let alone two in the Top-10.”

    You failed to earn enough credibility with the poll voters to ever be ranked #1 in AP or Coaches.

    Enjoy your SOS trophies.

    -----

    Nonsense, under tougher standards Utah received 16 1st place AP votes.

    BYU never finished higher than #14 BCS and has yet to crack the CFP poll.

    Enjoy being 3rd in State.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    April 27, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    azute1

    “You failed to even make an apples-to-apples comparison.....Fact is, byu-p has NEVER beaten four final ranked opponents in a single year, let alone two in the Top-10.”

    You failed to earn enough credibility with the poll voters to ever be ranked #1 in AP or Coaches.

    Enjoy your SOS trophies.

    yawn

    We’ll continue to enjoy our Crystal Football National Championship and Heisman Trophies.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    April 27, 2019 12:08 p.m.

    “Play in front of 20,000 people...”

    Actually, 19,000, at home...

    BYU - occasionally
    Utah - never

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    April 27, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    Hi-ya,
    However will Mark Madsen be able to recruit at UVU since he played and graduated from Stanford?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 27, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2019 5:52 a.m.
    azute1

    “Actually, our ‘08 team beat FOUR final ranked opponents, including TWO in the top-10——When’s the last time BYU accomplished such a feat?”

    Actually, our 1983 and 1984 teams beat THREE Top 25 teams ON THE ROAD as part of a 24-game winning streak ending in BYU being ranked #1 in AP and #1 in Coaches—- when’s the last time Utah-SLC accomplished such a feat?

    As far as signature wins against ranked opponents goes, BYU beat then #1, finished #3, Miami, to launch Ty Detmer’s Heisman winning season —- when’s the last time Utah-SLC accomplished such a feat?

    ——-

    🤣

    You failed to even make an apples-to-apples comparison.....Fact is, byu-p has NEVER beaten four final ranked opponents in a single year, let alone two in the Top-10.

    And everybody knows ‘84 was a complete farce.....Never happened before/since.

    ‘04/‘08 > ‘84, period.

    Also, byu-p got destroyed by UH/TAMU immediately following TD’s Heisman Trophy presentation—LOL

    Go Utes!

  • LeftCoastUte Sandy, UT
    April 27, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    "Play in front of 20,000 people"

    per game at home, per conference season on the road.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2019 5:52 a.m.

    azute1

    “Actually, our ‘08 team beat FOUR final ranked opponents, including TWO in the top-10——When’s the last time BYU accomplished such a feat?”

    Actually, our 1983 and 1984 teams beat THREE Top 25 teams ON THE ROAD as part of a 24-game winning streak ending in BYU being ranked #1 in AP and #1 in Coaches—- when’s the last time Utah-SLC accomplished such a feat?

    As far as signature wins against ranked opponents goes, BYU beat then #1, finished #3, Miami, to launch Ty Detmer’s Heisman winning season —- when’s the last time Utah-SLC accomplished such a feat?

    BYU has the hardware -
    Crystal Football Trophy and
    Heisman Trophy -
    proudly on display in their Legacy Hall of Fame to substantiate those accomplishments.

    Where’s Utah’s hardware representing the highest team and individual achievements in major college football?

    * crickets *

  • chili con carne Austin, TX
    April 26, 2019 8:55 p.m.

    Name the last successful head football or basketball coach would coached and played for the U.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    April 26, 2019 7:20 p.m.

    Last time I check lots of very successful coaches didn't attend the schools they coach at like Nick Saban, both coach K's and coach Whit!!!! Can anyone name the last schools coached by alums that were ranked in the top 25 in either football or basketball?

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    April 26, 2019 7:09 p.m.

    Let me get this straight... These coaches sales pitch is going to be: "Don't Do what I did and go to Stanford, Washington, Utah, Kentucky or Duke? How are they going to sale this one??? Do as I didn't do??? Maybe if BYU has the Reputation of these schools, it might work... But, trying to sell, "The IF COME" is always a hard one for any person to believe. It doesn't work with kids when you tell them to Not smoke and then smoke like a chimney in front of them... why would it work for College Basketball... Good luck Guys.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 26, 2019 6:31 p.m.

    “2004 Utah-SLC actually had a stronger SOS, #70, than 2008 Utah-SLC, #80.“

    Actually, our ‘08 team beat FOUR final ranked opponents, including TWO in the top-10——When’s the last time byu-p accomplished such a feat?

    “Regardless, Utah-SLC didn’t do anything in 2003 or 2007 to establish themselves as a legitimate national championship contender.”

    Like ‘84 byu-p starting the year UNranked?

    Go Utes!

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    April 26, 2019 6:22 p.m.

    majmajor

    “Holmoe DROVE BYU into independence, and into the ground. He wasn't ‘forced.’”

    Nope, Craig Thompson drove BYU into Independence with his ridiculous television contracts.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    April 26, 2019 6:15 p.m.

    Azute1

    “Why is it you BYU fans are always quick to reference our ‘04 team & never our ‘08 team w/the more accomplished resume?”

    2004 Utah-SLC actually had a stronger SOS, #70, than 2008 Utah-SLC, #80.

    Regardless, Utah-SLC didn’t do anything in 2003 or 2007 to establish themselves as a legitimate national championship contender.

    Getting shutout by 10-loss UNLV and finishing unranked in 2007, killed Utah’s NC chances. It took most of the season just to crack the top 10 and U finished #6 in the most important final regular season poll, the BCS.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    April 26, 2019 5:47 p.m.

    skywalker - Palo Alto, CA
    April 26, 2019 10:27 a.m.
    majmajor

    "BYU needs to dump Holmoe, and get an AD who can lead BYU athletes into a successful future." Totally disagree. Holmoe has done an admirable job given the constraints he was forced to deal with.

    Holmoe DROVE BYU into independence, and into the ground. He wasn't "forced." He was the lead on BYU going independant. Historically, the best managers, and coaches at BYU went to school somewhere else. Holmoe has failed.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 26, 2019 5:26 p.m.

    “Utah fans still beat their chests about their 2004 BCS busting team that only beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records, NONE better than 7-5.”

    That team destroyed every one of their opponents, including byu-p.

    Why is it you byu-p fans are always quick to reference our ‘04 team & never our ‘08 team w/the more accomplished resume?

    Crickets.

    Go Utes!

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    April 26, 2019 4:10 p.m.

    I think it is a little unfair to place a lot on a teenager recruit or at least barely 20-21. They obviously went elsewhere as they thought they had better coaches. This seems a pretty capable staff so should be able to get a lot of good recruits. The guard line seems ok with Haws and Emery, forwards Baxter and De Silva and shooting guard Toolson. Seljaas and Nixon good backup forwards. The question mark is who is at center. I think they will be reasonably competitive though not capable of knocking off Gonzaga.

  • rlsintx Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 26, 2019 2:40 p.m.

    Spend all your time and effort improving the program and ignore the media.
    It's been years, and one of the largest private schools in the country should be winning games on the national scene regularly.
    Enough with the nice-nice, play ball ! And WIN !

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    April 26, 2019 2:03 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    April 26, 2019 11:47 a.m.
    "Does this mean that inferior players like Haws and Emery need to visit the transfer portal like last week? I think Mark Pope won't look at the entitled "Lone Peak Deuce" at all."

    Pope shouldn't feel obligated to play anybody, although, Toolson has probably already proven himself. Haws shows flashes of brilliance, but is still too inconsistent to carry the team. Emery's play has dropped significantly since his Freshman season and unless he returns to form, he'll probably see a lot of bench time.

    As with any new coaching staff, there will be growing pains and Pope will have to meld "his" players with Rose's players for a couple of seasons before we will begin to see the full impact of Pope's recruiting and coaching.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    April 26, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    azute1

    "Nevermind he primarily beat patsies,..."

    Does that include the 22-7 record he had against Utah?

  • ColoradoCouger Parker, CO
    April 26, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    Happy about the coaching change and the new assistants. Big man development and no favorites are a huge change at BYU Toolson should like it better now. Wondering what Haws is thinking now.

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    April 26, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    What a strange comment about them not playing at BYU. Rose was a Cougar but in Houston. I would wager the vast majority of coaches at all schools played somewhere else.

    I like the enthusiasm but I am a little worried Pope and company are setting expectations too high. Last time I checked BYU is still in Provo, Utah and still has an HC that requires 18 and 19 year olds to live a stricter lifestyle than is required for their mom and dad to enter the temple. In other words, I have hope too but the pool of potential recruits is exactly the same as it was last month.

  • justbereal , 00
    April 26, 2019 12:28 p.m.

    More obsessive articles from UT press about these guys not going to the Y and needing to recruit? Can you tell that creativity abounds with UT sports writers? There are plenty of coaches out there NOT coaching for their college. In fact, this mentality sounds a bit naive. Really, these coaches could use this to their advantage that they believe in this program and that's why they came to coach. I can't recall if this same press saidthis about Rose, a Houston grad, when he was hired.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    April 26, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    Does this mean that inferior players like Haws and Emery need to visit the transfer portal like last week? I think Mark Pope won't look at the entitled "Lone Peak Deuce" at all. They cannot play a lick! Look for a totally fresh BYU hoops team next season!

  • drski Eden, UT
    April 26, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    I'm not sure many of the coaches in the last 20 years played at B.YU. but to have coaches that played at Duke, Kentucky and Stanford. ( 3 of the best programs in the country) is VERY impressive!!

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    April 26, 2019 11:21 a.m.

    It was your reply BlueCoug. My post is below your reply.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    April 24, 2019 7:50 p.m.
    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 6:34 p.m.
    BYU'S current recruiting class ranks over 100.

    So what, Pope has already landed the WAC Player of the Year, THE best player from a team that was better than Utah in 2019.

    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 6:34 p.m.
    BYU'S current recruiting class ranks over 100. So, the question is in my opinion, how does Pope recruit athletes similar to Gonzaga. Recruiting class #7. Considering that the WCC is currently only a one team NCAA Tournament conference, it should be obvious that BYU needs to recruit athletes that "dream big".

    What is Pope's sales pitch going to be to land a Young recruit just like him that could play for the likes of Kentucky? "Do what I did"? Why would they choose BYU over Kentucky?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    April 26, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    @ dear BlueCoug,

    BYU can try to recruit, but kids from other cultures won't attend BYU for the most part. It is tough-sledding for the Y since the internet capabilities and discovery available these days my friend.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    April 26, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    @BlueCoug - Provo, UT

    I brought up this very question asked in this article several days ago and I was ridiculed and literally "yawned" at for asking it. I never got an answer to my question, much like this article never answers the question. I was simply told "he just landed the WAC player of the year". It may have been you who wrote that.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    April 26, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    Ardent LDS only need to apply. BYU in the 21st century is a whole different story............just look at who goes there.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    April 26, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    the FAUXnd
    “They will continue to pursue future WAC players of the year.”

    They will continue to pursue talented players wherever they are.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    April 26, 2019 10:32 a.m.

    They will continue to pursue future WAC players of the year.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 26, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    majmajor

    "BYU needs to dump Holmoe, and get an AD who can lead BYU athletes into a successful future."

    Totally disagree.

    Holmoe has done an admirable job given the constraints he was forced to deal with.

    Independence isn't P5, but it is much better than G5 from a revenue and television perspective.

    And in basketball, Rose has a MUCH better overall record than any previous BYU coach.

    If the HCO hadn't stripped him of his 2nd best player just before postseason tournaments began, Rose would have had a legitimate chance of leading BYU to their first Final Four and, possibly, their first NCAA tournament championship.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    April 26, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    It's a definite asset non of them played here. We need to go after the non 'Homer' kids to play here, including international. Too bad none of these guys is a minority or foreign born. Still, it's a big draw to play for someone who knows the programs at Stanford, Kentucky and Duke.

    It's all about Recruiting...

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    April 26, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    Good for BYU. The nepotism of BYU sports is driving the programs into the ground, and Holmoe, who has never been successful off the football field is driving the train wreck.

    Just because someone was able to be an individual on a team sport, and failed managing coaching doesn’t make them qualified to manage BYU’s athletes.

    BYU needs to dump Holmoe, and get an AD who can lead BYU athletes into a successful future.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    April 26, 2019 9:22 a.m.

    I think that their not playing at BYU is a good thing. Fresh perspective and ideas away from the Rose basketball culture.
    What does concern me, these are presumably all white LDS guys. That makes it pretty tough to recruit the highly athletic, non-LDS kids.
    I hope they take a really good look at the international pool of basketball athletes.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 26, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    This coaching staff is going to be great. Trust me - 18-year-old kids don't care where a coach played. If a kid is being recruited by Duke and BYU - he's going to Duke. Is that so hard to understand? I guess so.

  • rok Sandy, UT
    April 26, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Funny he mentions how important BYU is to the church. That point was really driven home when he was being recruited.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 26, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    azute1

    "Nevermind he primarily beat patsies,..."

    The same patsies that Utah played for over 80 seasons, from 1922 to 2003, with not a single 11+ win, Top 20 ranked, conference championship winning team to show for it.

    Utah fans still beat their chests about their 2004 BCS busting team that only beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records, NONE better than 7-5.

  • dreese Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2019 7:49 a.m.

    I like the attitude of the coaches and their desire to try things new. Good luck on the future!
    Their actions and recent signings show they have the capacity and desire to be successful. We are behind you 100%!

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2019 7:19 a.m.

    Not many coaches played for the team they would later coach. Not much of a story here.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 26, 2019 6:03 a.m.

    “LaVell played at Utah State, but had pretty good success recruiting high caliber players to play at BYU.”

    Nevermind he primarily beat patsies, but LE dealt w/an HC which had flexibility back then.

    Go Utes!

  • slackoff green river, WY
    April 26, 2019 5:32 a.m.

    They want to find the players who want to be there? Ah, hasnt that been the problem in the past, maybe i missed something.

  • slackoff green river, WY
    April 26, 2019 5:23 a.m.

    Their motto could be " Do as i say not as i did". I can see how that could be a roadblock, all recruited but went elsewhere. This was a short term hire.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    April 26, 2019 4:29 a.m.

    The headline begs the question that I’m sure some recruit or his parents will ask—why didn’t you come to BYU as a player and what has changed so that you are now a coach at a school that you rejected as a player? Can these 3 coaches give an honest answer that entices high quality recruits to join them in Provo?

    But, it really comes down to winning in Provo, and at least being competitive with Gonzaga every time they play them. But, “Ws” against Top Ten Gonzaga teams will be priceless in the future.

    Oh, and if the new coaching staff can’t consistently beat the in-state teams, including Utah, they will rightly and quickly be on the hot seat.

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    April 25, 2019 11:37 p.m.

    Burgess mentions playing in front of 20,000. Is this hyperbole like Roger Reid's estimate of 9 million disappointed Mormons or a leak about a Mariott Center expansion, or an estimate of BYU TV viewership. Maybe an estimate of season attendance if they do not win.

    So many unknowns about this staff and who will be playing next year.

    One thing is clear - fans and trolls thinking Pope would pass up BYU to stay at UVU to position himself for bigger things later were wrong.

    And if rumors hold true, even the best UVU players will choose BYU over UVU - it seems that at least 2 players and 1 recruit are headed our way. If only Pope could recruit Childs to stay one more year.

    Much talk about casting a wider net. Well, I guess we really had not recruited UVU players a ton lately.

    Change brings excitement, hopes, dreams, and fears.

    Hoping for the best.

    Go Cougs

  • Nice&Easy ,
    April 25, 2019 11:15 p.m.

    What a strain on the Y nation... None of these coaches played at the school.. They couldn't use the y as a stepping stone then so they didn't play there, they can use it now as a stepping stone so they come and with any success will be gone.

  • Dividend Geek Cedar Hills, UT
    April 25, 2019 9:28 p.m.

    That's how all office space with Windows should be decided. I'm excited for the new coaching staff and recruits. I see a bright future for BYU men's basketball program! Go Cougs!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 25, 2019 9:14 p.m.

    LaVell played at Utah State, but had pretty good success recruiting high caliber players to play at BYU.