"BYU’s recruiting class ranks 83rd and that includes a kid that was
just released from his NLI."He didn't transfer away.New coach and he wants to meet the new coach and then recommit or go
elsewhere - but he already choose BYU once, what he's doing is exactly what
I'd tell one of my kids to so, it's smart. BYU will most likely keep
Placing the players in their ideal positions by size/skill I have come up with
this line-up for next season:1 - Haws / Wade2 - Toolson / Emery3 - Harding / Seljaas / Nixon 4 - Baxter / Lee / Da Silva5 - ? / ?
Big 5's needed!
london_joshPoint taken, I generally take head-to-head over rankings,
but there are occassional upsets, where an obviously inferior team gets hot and
pulls off the upset.That said,BYU beat both Utah (74-59)
and Utah State (95-80) by 15, and UVU (75-65) by 10,but lost to (103-113)
by 10.One of those games where BYU lost focus on the road in the 2nd
half and allowed the less talented home team to make a run.
whatsnu,You have football correct. BYU played both Utah and USU
head to head and got throttled by USU who wound up ranked highest in the state.
BYU is clearly 3rd in the state.Personally I take game results over
rankings, and in basketball BYU beat Utah by a comfortable 12, got revenge on
UVU, also beat USU by 12 and weber state by 6.So before you take you
little "we are farmers, da dada da dum dum dum" aggie chant in here -
I'd have to claim BYU was top is basketball - I'm not one to follow
hypothetical polls over actual results.
london_josh"All that matters to some, is that Utah is on top,
and to you boys, hope you enjoy your own daily affirmations!"The
only rankings that matter to some are those that have Utah on top - pre-season,
mid-season, postseason, doesn't matter, the only ones that "count"
are the ones that cast Utah in the best possible light... even if it's some
minor ranking that somebody discovered 10 years after the fact.The
reality is, in 2018-19,Utah St > Utah, in footballUtah St
> BYU > UVU > Utah, in basketball
theFAUXnd"It is Mark Pope's mantra to "dream big".
Not mine."Why do you care at all, let alone so much
to troll every BYU basketball article with the same spam?
"It’s an upgrade from the 3rd best to the 2nd best program in state
and one that has actually won an NCAA tournament game this century."In football, Utah is the best team in the state because they are in the
PAC-12 and beat BYU, doesn't matter that USU finished ranked ahead of the
Utes, the ute fans just grab the rankings before the conference championship
game and the bowl loss to ignore that USU was clearly the top team in the
state.In basketball the BYU win streak is ignored and it comes down
to Utah being in the PAC-12 - doesn't matter that BYU plays the Zags twice
a season, and the record of BYU and Utah don't matter.All that
matters to some, is that Utah is on top, and to you boys, hope you enjoy your
own daily affirmations!
THEREALND - Mishawaka, INApril 24, 2019 5:23 p.m.@Rockwell -
Baltimore, MDIt is Mark Pope's mantra to "dream big".
Not mine. But I should have qualified and quantified my statement. Dreaming Big
at BYU clearly has no connection to Mark Pope's big dreams as an NCAA
Basketball star. Some dreams are just out of the realm of possibilities...And some simply take a little time.Pope lead UVU from a #321
ranking, the year before he arrived, to a #104 ranking, in 2019, with far fewer
resources than he’ll have available at BYU.Mock if it makes
you feel better, but Pope is just getting started.
@Rockwell - Baltimore, MDIt is Mark Pope's mantra to "dream
big". Not mine. But I should have qualified and quantified my statement.
Dreaming Big at BYU clearly has no connection to Mark Pope's big dreams as
an NCAA Basketball star. Some dreams are just out of the realm of
CV Storm - Hyrum, UTApril 24, 2019 3:59 p.m.“Transferring from
a program that did not make the NCAA tournament to a team that also did not make
the NCAA tournament. Why make a lateral move for your final season of organized
basketball?It’s an upgrade from the 3rd best to the 2nd best
program in state and one that has actually won an NCAA tournament game this
Transferring from a program that did not make the NCAA tournament to a team that
also did not make the NCAA tournament. Why make a lateral move for your final
season of organized basketball. Well, unless you count church ball or Chinese
THEREALND - "Dream big BYU! But if you cannot recruit on the same level as
Gonzaga (2019 class ranks 7th), chances are you are not going to the NCAA
Tournament."BYU has played in 8 NCAA tournaments in 14 seasons
during the Rose era. There's absolutely no reason that Pope can't do
the same.Utah, by comparison, has only played in 3 NCAA tournaments
during the same period.And, unlike Utah, which was crushed by
Gonzaga in the tourney, BYU beat the Zags handily in the Big Dance.And let's not forget, BYU has owned Utah 14 of 20, most by double digits.
Dream big BYU! But if you cannot recruit on the same level as Gonzaga (2019
class ranks 7th), chances are you are not going to the NCAA Tournament.
46 and 2"That’s like breaking back INTO Alcatraz."No, that would be like returning to the hill.
@WallyballPretty crowded backcourt with Emery, Haws, Wade, and Harding.
They need Lowell, the 6'10 player to transfer also.----------------not really, Toolson and Harding are similar
players (2's but likely more time spent at the 3) but Emery, Haws and Wade
are more combo type guards and will rotate more as primary ball handlers
(1's and 2's). In a small ball lineup Toolson can even
slide over and even spend some time at the 4 (he plays bigger than his
6'5" frame) kind of like how Jonathan Tavernari played for us.I do agree it would be awesome to get Lowell. He's not a big inside
presence but would be a matchup problem like we would've had if Payton
Dastrup had stayed.
@Wasatch AlGood plan! Steal players from other teams. That works well for
Nevada and Gonzaga.------------------Actually, stealing
BACK players from other teams. That works well for us
that is awesome news!
46+2"Tell us how Kryskowiak created that dumpster fire his first
two seasons?"It's absolutely hysterical how desperately
Utah fans try to give 80k a pass for his first two failed seasons.He
took a team that was 13-18 in 2011 and made it a6-25
team (7 win decline) in 2012 and a15-18 team (2 win over
improvement) in 2013, with wins over teams like San Diego Christian,
Idaho State, Willamette, Wright State, Texas State and College of Idaho.By comparison,Dave Rose took a team that was 9-21 in 2005 and made it a20-9 team (11 win improvement) in 2006
and a25-9 MWC, NCAA tournament team (16 win overall improvement) in
Toolson should never been gone to begin with. Chatman, Beo, Dastrup, Bartley
and a few others should be included on the list also. Seljaas, and Nixon to
name a few, are not legit D-1 players. I suspect that a year from now the
roster will be full of names that we don’t recognize. Haws will play his
role and graduate ....... Emery might have played his last game for BYU and
Baxter and Wade will become household names at BYU. Finding the players to
round out the roster is a huge job for Pope!
Lost in the dark:“It’ll probably take a couple of
seasons for BYU to get back to the NCAA tourney, but guaranteed, Pope’s
first couple of seasons won’t be anywhere close to the dumpster fire
🔥 80k created in his first two seasons on the hill.”Is
this the same “guarantee” about ‘Sheriff Sitake’ and
‘Deputy Detmer’? Telling us all to “be afraid, very
afraid”?Tell us how Kryskowiak created that dumpster fire his
first two seasons? Any logical knowledgeable fan knows that was thanks to
Boylen. He had to clean it up!
BYU needed Toolson, who will move easily between the 2 and 3 spot.1
- Haws / Wade2 - Toolson / Emery3 - Harding / Toolson4 -
Seljaas / Nixon (both are undersized for the position)5 - Baxter / Lee
(hoping Baxter stays out of foul trouble and on the floor, so Lee has time to
develop)Hopefully, we get Wyatt Lowell also, who would be eligible
to play next year. This would allow Baxter to move to the 4 spot where we would
be a real mis-match.
I can see Toolson as a small forward as well. BYU is developing some good
problems. Everything is different with BYU men's basketball than it was
before Rose's retirement...a lot of conditions which make Yoeli's
leaving at this point a big mistake on his part. The training he's wanted
and needed and the better teammates are finally coming to BYU! It's not
too late yet. Come on, Yoeli...don't cut off your nose to spite your face!
Can’t complain about adding a quality player, but they really need more
bigs. Maybe Toolson on the team will mean less playing time for Seljaas and
Emery. They had their moments last season, but neither was consistent, and I
don’t have high hopes for them.
Suuuhhhhh-weeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!! Welcome home, Jake!So
stoked for this!!!Finally a decent *consistent* shooter! So tired of
seeing wide open threes bricked all over the place, or hit the sides of the
backboard. Please, please, please tell me that Seljaas isn't
being considered to start! Playing time *should* be determined by merit, and so
far, he hasn't shown he deserves much of it.
“Jake Toolson reportedly transferring back to BYU ”That’s like breaking back INTO Alcatraz.
I like Toolson’s game. A plus for Pope. What if Peyton Dastrup wanted to
find his way back? Could he play right away?
@laxman:"Will he get any time with Haws and Emery still returning? If
I was a cougar I wouldn’t want him back after he left before!"Couldn't disagree more. Great players always find a way to get more
minutes. Toolson already has established his credentials with Coach Pope and so
he is the "established" player of the three in many ways. Emery needs to
work to get minutes, but he will be a nice spark.
THEREALND - Mishawaka, INApril 24, 2019 10:48 a.m.BYU’s
recruiting class ranks 83rd and that includes a kid that was just released from
his NLI.Yawn...Pope is just getting started and has
already landed the WAC Player of the Year.It’ll probably take
a couple of seasons for BYU to get back to the NCAA tourney, but guaranteed,
Pope’s first couple of seasons won’t be anywhere close to the
dumpster fire 🔥 80k created in his first two seasons on the hill.
My guess is that Toolson will deservedly take over Emery's minutes. Zac
Zeljass said in an article a few weeks ago (SLTRB) that Emery had considered
transfering. Toolson is a great example of player development . Coach Pope
helped Hartsock and Davies develop into great post players while he was here as
Byu's recruiting class ranks 83rd and that includes a kid that was just
released from his NLI. So, it is actually a plus 100 ranking and will not offer
much competition to Gonzaga whose class ranks 7th. It would be
interesting to hear Pope's recruiting pitch to a player that is being
recruited by Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Gonzaga or any of the big name
schools. One thing that he won't be able to tell them is "Do what I
did". Even the new coach didn't choose to play for BYU.
Toolson made a great choice by transferring to UVU. He got the minutes and
coaching to blossom into the WAC POY. What a great get for BYU to now get him
back. Excellent player who knows Pope’s system. How could anyone be
anything but thrilled about that?
@Wasatch AlAre you a Ute fan? Why so salty? And Toolson
CHOSE to go to BYU - twice, actually. Nobody "stole" him. haha
It will be interesting to see who plays next year, especially with Jesse Wade
becoming eligible. The big question marks will be, who gets minutes at forward
besides Baxter. I can see a starting lineup of Haws, Toolson, Harding, Seljaas,
and Baxter, with Wade coming off the bench or perhaps starting. Nixon is an
undersized big who will fill in. But who else is there inside. Lee? Probably
limited action there. The Chinese kid opted out. Maybe Da Silva, a Brazilian out
of Wasatch Academy, will get minutes. He's 6'9", 210. Hopefully
Pope can attract some players his own size with some talent. Regardless, next
year is looking like a guard-oriented offense. But with Haws, Toolson, and Wade,
you've got some great shooters. And maybe Seljaas will rediscover his
freshman shooting form, and Harding will get more consistent. If so, the scoring
may make up for lack of size. It will be an interesting transition year.
Hopefully Pope's hiring will stop the trend of players leaving BYU and
thriving elsewhere. Maybe the reverse will now be true and BYU can do what Mark
Few has done at Gonzaga. Also, with a 6'10" coach who understands post
play, maybe Gavin Baxter will blossom next year and reach his athletic
potential, which is through the roof.As for getting minutes, Toolson
doesn't probably need to worry about Emery, who is short for a shooting
guard and hasn't really found his game since his freshman season. I'm
just sorry Rylan Bergersen is leaving. I always felt he had a nice game and good
size. If he does transfer, I expect he will succeed.I hope Yoeli
gets his chance in the NBA. I'd hate to see another BYU star leave, only to
wind up playing in Serbia or Turkey or Israel. The money's decent, but
that's not a great reason to give up a final year of college.
Toolson left to get playing time, to get better and decided to come back to play
for the Coach who helped him meet his goals.Big problem?However, the player who left because he had to and then came back...No problem?Teammates generally have no problem with a baller who
plays by the rules.I hope Toolson has a great year with lots of
playing time in a team format.It will be a rough ride for Coach Pope
for a year or two until everyone gets the picture.
If Pope wants to run and shoot, adding Toolson is a plus. And after fighting
apparently successfully with health issues, I congratulate him. Regardless,
we’ll need height.
I hope he does transfer back, and after the last game debacle, who cares whose
playing time will get cut.
Pretty crowded backcourt with Emery, Haws, Wade, and Harding. They need Lowell,
the 6'10 player to transfer also.
I didn't want Emery back after what he did to the BYU basketball program.
Why would any true BYU fan be complaining about a quality player like Toolson
returning to BYU along with his coach?Whiners will always find
something to whine about.
Great addition to BYU, great example of how Pope saw the potential in Jake then
developed him into the WAC player of the year. It's been awhile since this
has happened in cougar nation.
Good plan! Steal players from other teams. That works well for Nevada and
Will he get any time with Haws and Emery still returning? If I was a cougar I
wouldn’t want him back after he left before!
great addition for byu? Little transition needed there!
Great news? Without knowing what pope's plans are, i see this as potential
trouble for tge next couple if years. A player leaves the program, it doesnt
what the reason is, then comes back and expect to play a majir role on the team.
Then u have first or second year players who have bided their time and didnt
leave, possibly spending more time on the bench. Not sure how this will
be accepted by other players.
Also need another big which UVU may supply.
Great news!Now, tell us who the assistants will be for Pope?
Great news, another scorer.Missed him the past 2 years.Was hoping
that with his coach coming over we would have a chance to get Jake back as a