Jake Toolson reportedly transferring back to BYU basketball program from UVU

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  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    April 26, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    "BYU’s recruiting class ranks 83rd and that includes a kid that was just released from his NLI."

    He didn't transfer away.

    New coach and he wants to meet the new coach and then recommit or go elsewhere - but he already choose BYU once, what he's doing is exactly what I'd tell one of my kids to so, it's smart. BYU will most likely keep him!

  • Dividend Geek Cedar Hills, UT
    April 25, 2019 10:15 p.m.

    Placing the players in their ideal positions by size/skill I have come up with this line-up for next season:
    1 - Haws / Wade
    2 - Toolson / Emery
    3 - Harding / Seljaas / Nixon
    4 - Baxter / Lee / Da Silva
    5 - ? / ? Big 5's needed!

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    April 25, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    london_josh

    Point taken, I generally take head-to-head over rankings, but there are occassional upsets, where an obviously inferior team gets hot and pulls off the upset.

    That said,

    BYU beat both Utah (74-59) and Utah State (95-80) by 15, and UVU (75-65) by 10,
    but lost to (103-113) by 10.

    One of those games where BYU lost focus on the road in the 2nd half and allowed the less talented home team to make a run.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    April 25, 2019 1:04 p.m.

    whatsnu,

    You have football correct. BYU played both Utah and USU head to head and got throttled by USU who wound up ranked highest in the state. BYU is clearly 3rd in the state.

    Personally I take game results over rankings, and in basketball BYU beat Utah by a comfortable 12, got revenge on UVU, also beat USU by 12 and weber state by 6.

    So before you take you little "we are farmers, da dada da dum dum dum" aggie chant in here - I'd have to claim BYU was top is basketball - I'm not one to follow hypothetical polls over actual results.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    April 25, 2019 8:28 a.m.

    london_josh

    "All that matters to some, is that Utah is on top, and to you boys, hope you enjoy your own daily affirmations!"

    The only rankings that matter to some are those that have Utah on top - pre-season, mid-season, postseason, doesn't matter, the only ones that "count" are the ones that cast Utah in the best possible light... even if it's some minor ranking that somebody discovered 10 years after the fact.

    The reality is, in 2018-19,

    Utah St > Utah, in football
    Utah St > BYU > UVU > Utah, in basketball

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    April 25, 2019 8:19 a.m.

    theFAUXnd

    "It is Mark Pope's mantra to "dream big". Not mine."

    Why do you care at all,

    let alone so much to troll every BYU basketball article

    with the same spam?

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    April 25, 2019 2:55 a.m.

    "It’s an upgrade from the 3rd best to the 2nd best program in state and one that has actually won an NCAA tournament game this century."

    In football, Utah is the best team in the state because they are in the PAC-12 and beat BYU, doesn't matter that USU finished ranked ahead of the Utes, the ute fans just grab the rankings before the conference championship game and the bowl loss to ignore that USU was clearly the top team in the state.

    In basketball the BYU win streak is ignored and it comes down to Utah being in the PAC-12 - doesn't matter that BYU plays the Zags twice a season, and the record of BYU and Utah don't matter.

    All that matters to some, is that Utah is on top, and to you boys, hope you enjoy your own daily affirmations!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    April 24, 2019 9:51 p.m.

    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 5:23 p.m.
    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD

    It is Mark Pope's mantra to "dream big". Not mine. But I should have qualified and quantified my statement. Dreaming Big at BYU clearly has no connection to Mark Pope's big dreams as an NCAA Basketball star. Some dreams are just out of the realm of possibilities...

    And some simply take a little time.

    Pope lead UVU from a #321 ranking, the year before he arrived, to a #104 ranking, in 2019, with far fewer resources than he’ll have available at BYU.

    Mock if it makes you feel better,
    but Pope is just getting started.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD

    It is Mark Pope's mantra to "dream big". Not mine. But I should have qualified and quantified my statement. Dreaming Big at BYU clearly has no connection to Mark Pope's big dreams as an NCAA Basketball star. Some dreams are just out of the realm of possibilities..

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2019 4:35 p.m.

    CV Storm - Hyrum, UT
    April 24, 2019 3:59 p.m.
    “Transferring from a program that did not make the NCAA tournament to a team that also did not make the NCAA tournament. Why make a lateral move for your final season of organized basketball?

    It’s an upgrade from the 3rd best to the 2nd best program in state and one that has actually won an NCAA tournament game this century.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    April 24, 2019 3:59 p.m.

    Transferring from a program that did not make the NCAA tournament to a team that also did not make the NCAA tournament. Why make a lateral move for your final season of organized basketball. Well, unless you count church ball or Chinese league.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 24, 2019 3:27 p.m.

    THEREALND - "Dream big BYU! But if you cannot recruit on the same level as Gonzaga (2019 class ranks 7th), chances are you are not going to the NCAA Tournament."

    BYU has played in 8 NCAA tournaments in 14 seasons during the Rose era. There's absolutely no reason that Pope can't do the same.

    Utah, by comparison, has only played in 3 NCAA tournaments during the same period.

    And, unlike Utah, which was crushed by Gonzaga in the tourney, BYU beat the Zags handily in the Big Dance.

    And let's not forget, BYU has owned Utah 14 of 20, most by double digits.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 3:08 p.m.

    Dream big BYU! But if you cannot recruit on the same level as Gonzaga (2019 class ranks 7th), chances are you are not going to the NCAA Tournament.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    April 24, 2019 3:04 p.m.

    46 and 2

    "That’s like breaking back INTO Alcatraz."

    No, that would be like returning to the hill.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    @Wallyball
    Pretty crowded backcourt with Emery, Haws, Wade, and Harding. They need Lowell, the 6'10 player to transfer also.

    ----------------

    not really, Toolson and Harding are similar players (2's but likely more time spent at the 3) but Emery, Haws and Wade are more combo type guards and will rotate more as primary ball handlers (1's and 2's).

    In a small ball lineup Toolson can even slide over and even spend some time at the 4 (he plays bigger than his 6'5" frame) kind of like how Jonathan Tavernari played for us.

    I do agree it would be awesome to get Lowell. He's not a big inside presence but would be a matchup problem like we would've had if Payton Dastrup had stayed.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    @Wasatch Al
    Good plan! Steal players from other teams. That works well for Nevada and Gonzaga.

    ------------------

    Actually, stealing BACK players from other teams. That works well for us

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    that is awesome news!

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    April 24, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    46+2

    "Tell us how Kryskowiak created that dumpster fire his first two seasons?"

    It's absolutely hysterical how desperately Utah fans try to give 80k a pass for his first two failed seasons.

    He took a team that was

    13-18 in 2011 and made it a

    6-25 team (7 win decline) in 2012 and a

    15-18 team (2 win over improvement) in 2013,

    with wins over teams like San Diego Christian, Idaho State, Willamette, Wright State, Texas State and College of Idaho.

    By comparison,

    Dave Rose took a team that was

    9-21 in 2005 and made it a

    20-9 team (11 win improvement) in 2006 and a

    25-9 MWC, NCAA tournament team (16 win overall improvement) in 2007.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    April 24, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    Toolson should never been gone to begin with. Chatman, Beo, Dastrup, Bartley and a few others should be included on the list also. Seljaas, and Nixon to name a few, are not legit D-1 players. I suspect that a year from now the roster will be full of names that we don’t recognize. Haws will play his role and graduate ....... Emery might have played his last game for BYU and Baxter and Wade will become household names at BYU. Finding the players to round out the roster is a huge job for Pope!

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 1:18 p.m.

    Lost in the dark:

    “It’ll probably take a couple of seasons for BYU to get back to the NCAA tourney, but guaranteed, Pope’s first couple of seasons won’t be anywhere close to the dumpster fire 🔥 80k created in his first two seasons on the hill.”

    Is this the same “guarantee” about ‘Sheriff Sitake’ and ‘Deputy Detmer’? Telling us all to “be afraid, very afraid”?

    Tell us how Kryskowiak created that dumpster fire his first two seasons? Any logical knowledgeable fan knows that was thanks to Boylen. He had to clean it up!

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    April 24, 2019 1:16 p.m.

    BYU needed Toolson, who will move easily between the 2 and 3 spot.

    1 - Haws / Wade
    2 - Toolson / Emery
    3 - Harding / Toolson
    4 - Seljaas / Nixon (both are undersized for the position)
    5 - Baxter / Lee (hoping Baxter stays out of foul trouble and on the floor, so Lee has time to develop)

    Hopefully, we get Wyatt Lowell also, who would be eligible to play next year. This would allow Baxter to move to the 4 spot where we would be a real mis-match.

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    April 24, 2019 12:57 p.m.

    I can see Toolson as a small forward as well. BYU is developing some good problems. Everything is different with BYU men's basketball than it was before Rose's retirement...a lot of conditions which make Yoeli's leaving at this point a big mistake on his part. The training he's wanted and needed and the better teammates are finally coming to BYU! It's not too late yet. Come on, Yoeli...don't cut off your nose to spite your face!

  • Trigotan Kennewick, WA
    April 24, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    Can’t complain about adding a quality player, but they really need more bigs. Maybe Toolson on the team will mean less playing time for Seljaas and Emery. They had their moments last season, but neither was consistent, and I don’t have high hopes for them.

  • Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan San Diego, CA
    April 24, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    Suuuhhhhh-weeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!

    Welcome home, Jake!

    So stoked for this!!!

    Finally a decent *consistent* shooter! So tired of seeing wide open threes bricked all over the place, or hit the sides of the backboard.

    Please, please, please tell me that Seljaas isn't being considered to start! Playing time *should* be determined by merit, and so far, he hasn't shown he deserves much of it.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    “Jake Toolson reportedly transferring back to BYU ”

    That’s like breaking back INTO Alcatraz.

  • Son of a Ute. Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    I like Toolson’s game. A plus for Pope. What if Peyton Dastrup wanted to find his way back? Could he play right away?

  • Jimbo Low PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    April 24, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    @laxman:
    "Will he get any time with Haws and Emery still returning? If I was a cougar I wouldn’t want him back after he left before!"
    Couldn't disagree more. Great players always find a way to get more minutes. Toolson already has established his credentials with Coach Pope and so he is the "established" player of the three in many ways. Emery needs to work to get minutes, but he will be a nice spark.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 10:48 a.m.
    BYU’s recruiting class ranks 83rd and that includes a kid that was just released from his NLI.

    Yawn...

    Pope is just getting started and has already landed the WAC Player of the Year.

    It’ll probably take a couple of seasons for BYU to get back to the NCAA tourney, but guaranteed, Pope’s first couple of seasons won’t be anywhere close to the dumpster fire 🔥 80k created in his first two seasons on the hill.

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    April 24, 2019 11:21 a.m.

    My guess is that Toolson will deservedly take over Emery's minutes. Zac Zeljass said in an article a few weeks ago (SLTRB) that Emery had considered transfering. Toolson is a great example of player development . Coach Pope helped Hartsock and Davies develop into great post players while he was here as an assistant.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    April 24, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    Byu's recruiting class ranks 83rd and that includes a kid that was just released from his NLI. So, it is actually a plus 100 ranking and will not offer much competition to Gonzaga whose class ranks 7th.

    It would be interesting to hear Pope's recruiting pitch to a player that is being recruited by Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Gonzaga or any of the big name schools. One thing that he won't be able to tell them is "Do what I did". Even the new coach didn't choose to play for BYU.

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    April 24, 2019 10:01 a.m.

    Toolson made a great choice by transferring to UVU. He got the minutes and coaching to blossom into the WAC POY. What a great get for BYU to now get him back. Excellent player who knows Pope’s system. How could anyone be anything but thrilled about that?

  • bemorefair , 00
    April 24, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    @Wasatch Al

    Are you a Ute fan? Why so salty?

    And Toolson CHOSE to go to BYU - twice, actually. Nobody "stole" him. haha

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    April 24, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    It will be interesting to see who plays next year, especially with Jesse Wade becoming eligible. The big question marks will be, who gets minutes at forward besides Baxter. I can see a starting lineup of Haws, Toolson, Harding, Seljaas, and Baxter, with Wade coming off the bench or perhaps starting. Nixon is an undersized big who will fill in. But who else is there inside. Lee? Probably limited action there. The Chinese kid opted out. Maybe Da Silva, a Brazilian out of Wasatch Academy, will get minutes. He's 6'9", 210. Hopefully Pope can attract some players his own size with some talent. Regardless, next year is looking like a guard-oriented offense. But with Haws, Toolson, and Wade, you've got some great shooters. And maybe Seljaas will rediscover his freshman shooting form, and Harding will get more consistent. If so, the scoring may make up for lack of size. It will be an interesting transition year.

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    April 24, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    Hopefully Pope's hiring will stop the trend of players leaving BYU and thriving elsewhere. Maybe the reverse will now be true and BYU can do what Mark Few has done at Gonzaga. Also, with a 6'10" coach who understands post play, maybe Gavin Baxter will blossom next year and reach his athletic potential, which is through the roof.

    As for getting minutes, Toolson doesn't probably need to worry about Emery, who is short for a shooting guard and hasn't really found his game since his freshman season. I'm just sorry Rylan Bergersen is leaving. I always felt he had a nice game and good size. If he does transfer, I expect he will succeed.

    I hope Yoeli gets his chance in the NBA. I'd hate to see another BYU star leave, only to wind up playing in Serbia or Turkey or Israel. The money's decent, but that's not a great reason to give up a final year of college.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    April 24, 2019 9:22 a.m.

    Toolson left to get playing time, to get better and decided to come back to play for the Coach who helped him meet his goals.

    Big problem?

    However, the player who left because he had to and then came back...

    No problem?

    Teammates generally have no problem with a baller who plays by the rules.

    I hope Toolson has a great year with lots of playing time in a team format.

    It will be a rough ride for Coach Pope for a year or two until everyone gets the picture.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    April 24, 2019 8:37 a.m.

    If Pope wants to run and shoot, adding Toolson is a plus. And after fighting apparently successfully with health issues, I congratulate him. Regardless, we’ll need height.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 24, 2019 8:32 a.m.

    I hope he does transfer back, and after the last game debacle, who cares whose playing time will get cut.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 24, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    Pretty crowded backcourt with Emery, Haws, Wade, and Harding. They need Lowell, the 6'10 player to transfer also.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    April 24, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    I didn't want Emery back after what he did to the BYU basketball program.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    April 24, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    Why would any true BYU fan be complaining about a quality player like Toolson returning to BYU along with his coach?

    Whiners will always find something to whine about.

  • JazzConvert ,
    April 24, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    Great addition to BYU, great example of how Pope saw the potential in Jake then developed him into the WAC player of the year. It's been awhile since this has happened in cougar nation.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    April 24, 2019 7:43 a.m.

    Good plan! Steal players from other teams. That works well for Nevada and Gonzaga.

  • Laxman Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2019 7:26 a.m.

    Will he get any time with Haws and Emery still returning? If I was a cougar I wouldn’t want him back after he left before!

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    April 24, 2019 5:53 a.m.

    great addition for byu? Little transition needed there!

  • slackoff green river, WY
    April 24, 2019 3:01 a.m.

    Great news? Without knowing what pope's plans are, i see this as potential trouble for tge next couple if years. A player leaves the program, it doesnt what the reason is, then comes back and expect to play a majir role on the team. Then u have first or second year players who have bided their time and didnt leave, possibly spending more time on the
    bench. Not sure how this will be accepted by other players.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 23, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    Also need another big which UVU may supply.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    April 23, 2019 10:17 p.m.

    Great news!

    Now, tell us who the assistants will be for Pope?

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    April 23, 2019 10:05 p.m.

    Great news, another scorer.
    Missed him the past 2 years.
    Was hoping that with his coach coming over we would have a chance to get Jake back as a graduate transfer.