Mueller report may be an 'impeachment referral.' But does the public care?

When President Donald Trump heard a special counsel had been appointed to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election, he groaned, “This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency.”

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  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    April 23, 2019 3:52 p.m.

    This Russian investigation was bogus from day one... as for the FBI.... some of you may want to read what Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple has to say about the FBI and their shenanigans in the case of the Iphone that they wanted to unlock in the 2016 San Bernadino terror case. Not flattering and pretty blunt.

    so when either party (in this case the Dems) stoops to any means necessary and has the audacity to use government agencies and bureaucracies to trample your rights and your liberty.. you better watch out

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    It was the end of the Donald's crazy run. Will be bestseller soon since all citizens need to stay informed of misconduct and support impeachment.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2019 6:20 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    April 20, 2019 4:21 p.m.

    "I live at the border and know many people. I know things which DN wouldn't print and I don't depend on Fox or CNN for information. There is much more going on than is being told."

    Please excuse me if I assume you are just repeating Fox News talking points. I know a lot of people, too. Since you've never said where you get your information, I just thought it was Fox since your comments always reflect Fox propaganda. However, you sound very conspiratorial. You refusal to tell us your sources suggest perhaps you get your information from InfoWars. Is that it? Are you all about the "deep state" and Steve Bannon (Breitbart News) conspiracy fantasy?

    If you want to be taken seriously, you need to tell where you get your information so we can judge its credibility. Maybe you get it directly from Donald Trump? Some type of mystic, mind meld, other-worldly, Protocols and the Elders of Zion fringe source about "what is really happening"?

    I can tell you mine. They include WSJ, NYTimes, LATimes, and WaPost as primary sources. I also use MSNBC, but listen with a critical ear.

    You tell me so I can stop thinking you repeat Fox propaganda.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 20, 2019 4:21 p.m.

    @Janet Pete,

    You've got me wrong.

    I live at the border and know many people. I know things which DN wouldn't print and I don't depend on Fox or CNN for information. There is much more going on than is being told.

    I'll just say this. People of America know very little of what's going on and are easily minipulated.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    April 20, 2019 11:21 a.m.

    @joe leaphorn.
    Appreciate your comments. I have come to realize that just about all media today has a significant amount of bias. So, I regularly get scan CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and on-line sources and mash them together to get a better picture.

    There are about a third on either side that are true believers on the right and on the left. Then there is that third in the middle. A lot of those people live in the Midwest. That is where presidential elections will be won and lost for the next 10 years or so.

    A lot of my neighbors in Michigan just want Washington to leave them alone.

    I could be wrong. But that’s kind of how it looks to me.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    April 20, 2019 8:32 a.m.

    Media coverage of Trump has been 92% negative, and this piece clearly continues that trend.

    It is not serious reporting based on careful personal scrutiny of a 400 page report, but rather parroting talking points from other liberal media sources with some out of context snippets thrown in. Even worse, remember that the investigation and report were done by a highly partisan group of people.

    Like pornography, "fake news" is hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

    I expect better information from the Deseret News, not this sort of stuff which is typical of "the other paper" in town.

  • tesuji Bountiful, UT
    April 20, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    What does the title mean, "Does the public care?" Of course many people care.

    It's clear Trump is a terrible person and he does not support democracy or the Constitution. He is destroying our country. No wonder our Russian enemies tried to help him get elected. I can't understand why anyone still supports Trump.

  • mohokat , 00
    April 20, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    “ The report is NOT a legal document in the sense that much of it would not hold up in court. It is a report prepared by anti-Trump prosecutors. None of the witnesses were cross-examined by Trump’s attorneys and thus there are many self-serving statements. It is a one-sided report full of hearsay and second hand info.”

  • mohokat , 00
    April 20, 2019 7:22 a.m.

    "This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency"
    A perfect example of fake news. This cherry picking is used as a admittance by Pres. Trump of guilt.

    Never mind he also said “Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency,” Trump said. “It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    April 20, 2019 7:14 a.m.

    It appears from many of the "I care about the Mueller report" comments, they've forgotten (or have ignored) the misconduct and gross bias of the FBI & DOJ officials already uncovered and exposed by an IG report last year, and we will soon be getting another IG report that deals with more of the same in a couple of months. In light of these facts, coupled with Mueller's finding of no collusion, makes everything else Mueller says ring hollow. This has been anything but an "independent" investigationbased on what is in the IG report. More heads will roll when the second IG report comes out, and it won't be Trump's.

  • cachedout Centerville, UT
    April 20, 2019 3:48 a.m.

    @BYUalum

    1. William Barr didn't have to give a press conference at all on the Mueller report.

    The issue was never about a press conference. It was about releasing the report.

    2. President Trump could have used executive privilege and redacted a great deal of the report or not even shown it to the public!

    In a democracy this isn't something that's supposed to be celebrated. It's supposed to be standard.

    3. President Trump was transparent because he knew he did nothing illegal or wrong.

    So transparent that he refused to go in front of a grand jury or speak directly to the special council?

    4. The leftist media are making the public sick and tired of hearing them beat the drum of collusion and impeachment when there is no justifiable cause. There was no collusion.

    Polling suggests otherwise.

    5. Just because a person gets angry (in the 10 pts.) isn't cause for impeachment.

    Literally nobody is saying that.

    6. Now, the other side of the case will be brought forth. Why and who perpetrated this unlawful and unfair attack on a sitting President of the United States.

    Political retribution for a criminal inquiry? Nice democracy you had there. Shame if anything happened to it.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2019 2:03 a.m.

    BYUalum - South Jordan, UT
    April 19, 2019 8:36 p.m.

    "People actually don't know some simple facts: . . . "

    You haven't read the Mueller report have you, right? Perhaps you got all your information from Fox News and feel the need to repeat Trump talking points. And who knows, maybe you listen to RT and Sputnik for the Russian perspective.

    We know that Donald Trump probably would not be president if it wasn't for the Russians. He is hoping that with enhanced voter suppression and better Russian help, he can get another 4 years and maybe avoid the indictments that are waiting once he's out of office.

    Would you lie for Trump is he requested it to protect himself in an investigation? We'll want to see who those 10 people are listed in the Mueller report where the entire entry has been redacted. Take a guess. This isn't over.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    April 19, 2019 8:36 p.m.

    People actually don't know some simple facts:
    1. William Barr didn't have to give a press conference at all on the Mueller report.
    2. President Trump could have used executive privilege and redacted a great deal of the report or not even shown it to the public!
    3. President Trump was transparent because he knew he did nothing illegal or wrong.
    4. The leftist media are making the public sick and tired of hearing them beat the drum of collusion and impeachment when there is no justifiable cause. There was no collusion.
    5. Just because a person gets angry (in the 10 pts.) isn't cause for impeachment.
    6. Now, the other side of the case will be brought forth. Why and who perpetrated this unlawful and unfair attack on a sitting President of the United States.

    David Horowitz's IG report will show the corruption at the top of the FBI with the fake dossier` to the FISA court with the prior administration's fingerprints all over it.

    The Dems are shooting themselves in the foot.

    God bless America and our very strong President!

  • deseret pete Springville, UT
    April 19, 2019 8:32 p.m.

    Mueller wrote an op ed in the one part of the summary of the Mueller investigation it was only opinions of many of those whom he talks about. all of these statements of those who were interviewed would in a court of law where one is innocent until proven guilty be subject to cross examination and may not be accurate. In his determination of obstruction of justice he is basically saying he is guilty unless he prove he is innocent. The burden of proof is on Mueller not Trump and he did not have the evidence to prove obstruction but didn't have the guts to say so, which is why this fiasco will continue . ----- You can not obstruct an investigation of a crime that was not committed. --- They still can not get over that Hillary Lost

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 19, 2019 5:15 p.m.

    Mueller: "No man is above the law".

    What does that really mean? He put that phrase in the part about the Constitutional responsible duties of Congress.

    Should ordinary Americans care?

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2019 4:21 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    April 19, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    "Wasn't the Mueller report was an investigation of Russian collusion."

    You get limited information when you only listen to the wingnut talking heads in the Entertainment Division of the Fox Propaganda Network. If you were to look up the precedent for appointing a special counsel, you would find 28 CFR § 600.1, a United States counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

    From this derived the additional areas of investigation including (1) possible conspiracy by the Trump campaign to collaborate with the Russian government in helping Donald Trump win the presidency of the United States and (2) obstruction of justice by Trump in covering-up or interfering with the investigation.

    You might want to read the Mueller report yourself rather than take the words of Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity as gospel. And don't pay attention to Bill Barr's "summary". That's partisan nonsense. They are biased in this regard. So, you need to do it yourself. Any questions can be asked in this forum for what you don't understand. However, the text is relatively free of legalese.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    April 19, 2019 3:41 p.m.

    Craig Clark - Boulder, CO
    April 19, 2019 3:21 p.m.

    "And he’s just not worth it."

    It's not just snark, although this type of statement really gets under Donald Trump's skin and damages his ego. But Nancy Pelosi was making the realistic observation that, at this time, impeachment would be very divisive, particularly when the Senate will not convict. It would only add to Trump's defense that Democrats are harassing him. That's why Pelosi recognizes the need for bi-partisan support to move forward.

    Now that the Mueller report is available to the public in redacted form, there is much to condemn Trump as corrupt and not working the interests of the American people. We also have the continuing investigations by the various House committees and federal/state prosecutors on Trump's possible criminal activity.

    There's a lot there and Trump may decide not to run in 2020 because he may fear more from losing by a large margin than squeaking through with Russian help and a full-out voter suppression campaign. Hillary isn't running this time around, so the two decades of anti-Clinton grievance will not be available.

    In time historians will write about this presidency. It won't be good.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    April 19, 2019 3:21 p.m.

    "I’m not for impeachment," Pelosi said in a Washington Post interview published March 11. "Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it."
    ____________________
    “He’s just not worth it” is an irksome attempt at snark to dis Trump as inconsequential when any thinking person can see he is anything but a harmless yokel. He is a danger to our democracy. Of course impeachment is divisive! It’s not meant to be induction into an honor society.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    April 19, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    Vermonter - Plymouth, MI
    April 19, 2019 1:15 p.m.

    "And, no, most Americans who actually work and pay taxes don’t care about all the Mueller Report."

    That determination won't come until the next election in 2020. However, Americans who work and pay taxes may worry about paying taxes to a corrupt administration. No one likes a man who will lie, cheat, and steal to get whatever he wants. As time goes by, maybe we'll remain at the 32% who don't care what Donald Trump does or says, but as the information begins to spread, that number may go down to 25% (the same number who continued to believe in Richard Nixon after he resigned from office).

    Let's see what the polls say as a partial indicator of public attitude realizing the inherent problems in polls. However, if you listen to the Fox News entertainment talking heads, they will surely tell you that no one really cares. They'll ignore the Mueller report's findings, much as Bill Barr did, and repeat their mantra, "no collusion, no obstruction".

    Remember, Hillary lost to Trump in the Electoral College but won in the popular vote. When 2020 begins, Americans will be paying closer attention to the Mueller report and its findings.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    April 19, 2019 3:00 p.m.

    Ah, that wasn't the worst of it. Donald Trump said he was (serious expletive)! Apparently he knows that as long as he can keep his secrets hidden away, he if fine, but once they get out, he knows he's in deep doo-doo. The man can differentiate between right and wrong to some extent, that's why he's built his career on non-disclosure agreements, loyal aides, and threats of lawsuits to control information. This is a guy who knows how to play dirty, but he can also understand when he has no power to control the message.

    Now if only people will read the Mueller report and not depend on partisan talking heads telling them what to think about the report. We have already seen a full-throated defense coming out of the Fox Propaganda Channel throwing shinny objects around to distract from the Mueller message.

    There is currently the talk about "no obstruction" because Mueller had insufficient evidence. Upon reading the report, we find there is plenty of evidence to support obstruction, but there is also a DOJ rule saying you can't indict a sitting president. So what does Mueller do? He can't indict Trump because of the DOJ rule, but he has no evidence that Trump didn't commit obstruction.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    April 19, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    The mueller probe cleared all of the false narrative talking points of the last two years by the democrats and the tabloid media.

    Cohen supposedly went to prague to visit with a russian agent - mueller said that is false.

    Cohen recieved tapes of the golden shower incident - mueller confirmed these tapes were fake.

    The infamous trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer- mueller conirmed there was no wrong doing and that trump wasnt aware of it ahead of time.

    Mueller reviewed all data from the illegal fisa surveilence investigation and found nothing.

    Mueller found that not one american was guilty for colluding or coordinating with the russian govt during its election interference activities.

    Mueller could not come to the conclusion there was obstruction.

    Now the democrats and anti trumpers want to impeach a innocent man cleared of any crime because he directed counsel to order the probe stopped and mueller fired which clearly did not happen.

    Since when do words amount to breaking the law when no law was broken.

    Trump could have inacted executive privilege and refused to cooperate with mueller, but he did not.

    All of the allegations have been proven false, wake up people!

  • RRB SLC, UT
    April 19, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    "May be" are weasel words. Until you can say without a doubt, stop stirring the pot of discontent.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    April 19, 2019 1:15 p.m.

    This is still working out very well for me. It is exactly what I voted for.

    Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have virtually equally corrupt tendencies. But, one is/was loved by the mainstream press and most of the people who make their careers living in Washington. The other is loathed by the press and most of Washington.

    I like having a president under a microscope on a daily basis.

    James Comey did America a great service, clearly signaling how a President Hillary Clinton was going to be treated by career bureaucrats and justice officials in Washington. With Comey’s decision to let Hillary skate, Americans had a very informed decision.

    And, no, most Americans who actually work and pay taxes don’t care about all the Mueller Report stuff as long as the government leaves them alone.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    April 19, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    Headline: "...But does the public care?"

    Every one of the family, friends, co-workers, and clients I've talked to in my corner of the world over the past day all care.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 19, 2019 12:49 p.m.

    Nancy Peolosi is a smart, crafty politician. Look for her to use the report and Congress's response to it to have Trump removed from office but it won't be thru impeachment it will be thru the 2020 election. The next 18 months will be the death of Donnie's presidency thru a 1000 pin pricks, not one fatal blow.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 19, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    @WeThePeople - Sandy, UT
    April 19, 2019 11:10 a.m.
    Devin Nunes has the right idea: patriotic Americans should refuse to read the report, or let their minds be polluted by the garbage it contains."

    Riight. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" "Keep your head in the sand". And "Alternative facts". Those are always winning strategies.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    April 19, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    Yes, on caring about the report.

    In conclusion...

    Spending decades developing the branding of the Republican Political Party as the home of fiscal restraint and family values the republican political cartel has decided to end all such branding making a willful continued descent down the trumpian path of any values but family values as well as remarkable fiscal excess.

    From Nancy Reagan and Barbara Bush to Stormy Daniels and a host of similarly inclined folks.

    Sad

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2019 11:32 a.m.

    Yeah, Trump gave huge tax cuts for himself and his rich buddies adding two trillion dollars to the national debt. Talk about mismanagement. We should do something about this in the next election.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 19, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    We have representatives who have mismanaged tax money, failed to protect our borders, and falsely accused our president of Russian collusion for two and a half years.

    These are the ones who should be impeached!

  • WeThePeople Sandy, UT
    April 19, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Devin Nunes has the right idea: patriotic Americans should refuse to read the report, or let their minds be polluted by the garbage it contains.

    All this investigation can do is sow doubt. That will only weaken our Leader and our Country.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    So Trump said this was "total vindication". That was yesterday, today the report is "total (not nice word)". Business as usual for the Tweeter in Chief.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 19, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    Wasn't the Mueller report was an investigation of Russian collusion.

    But there wasn't any!

    Time for Democrats and main stream media to get over it! This is obsession!

    Mr Trump is the cleanest representative in Washington and none of you would have survived the two and half years of intense investigation and gossip like he has.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    April 19, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    No collusion, no obstruction!'
    Oh wait. Mueller notes ten instances where Trump asked those under him to commit crimes by interfering with the investigation- those under him were just smart enough to say no so the crimes didn't happen- not from Trump's morals, but theirs.

    So 'no collusion, TEN obstruction'. There you go.

    Or is it moral to try and commit a crime, but when thwarted by moral accomplices, it's all good.

    If I solicit someone to eliminate another person, bu they don't, then no harm no foul, is that how the law works?

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    The Mueller report is absolutely an impeachment referral.

    A small portion of the U.S. under the spell of Fox News and Donald Trump himself, won't care about the corruption of their dear leader.
    Seriously, if the trump-supporters don't care about his well-documented lifetime of debauchery and corruption, why would they care now?
    The destruction of integrity of the political and judicial institutions of the United States is a small price to pay for them to have "their guy" in power.

    *Most* of the U.S. still cares, in spite of the incessant onslaught of fake and false gibberish coming from a certain person's twitter feed.

    Will the Democrats and the several non-compromised Republicans in Congress have the fortitude to impeach, or will they wait until he's out of office and let the criminal justice system go to work on him? We shall see...

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 19, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    Yeah, we care.

  • Count Rushmore Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    America has thus far narrowly escaped an attempted bloodless coup by the media/entertainment/Democrat complex. The "Russian Collusion" hoax is the Watergate of the 21st century and at this point, President Trump's words and actions are merely a side show. The main event will be bringing to justice those who committed treason. It's time to identify them, investigate them, prosecute them, and incarcerate the guilty.