Everyone is accountable for his or her own actions but the company we keep does
have an effect. From what I read Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan were not
the best influences. He had a wonderful family.
“It would be better if we thought more carefully about the relation of old
sins to current character and the ways in which focusing on past wrongs does and
does not help us as a society to deal with our current problems.”The Deseret News itself would do well to heed Professor Couenhoven's
suggestion. One remembers well the Deseret News loudly demanding that Trump step
down from his candidacy because of a frivolous comment uttered in private on a
bus eleven years previously -- despite Trump's own testimony of his own
faith in Christ and his plea that he is a different man today.
This article appeared as the front page headline story of my Easter Sunday
edition of the Deseret News... What a disappointment.Instead of
offering a reflection of the redeeming power of the Savior's resurrection
and atonement in the lives of each of us... The Deseret News chooses to
characterize a sports accomplishment as a sort of redemption from sin.I don't know Tiger Woods, the extent of his sins, or his journey of
redemption. But, true redemption born of the Savior's atonement transcends
worldly accomplishment and is cheapened by the suggestion that it is reflected
in a Tiger Woods golfing triumph.I can't imagine what the
Deseret News editors were thinking... but I expected more of the Deseret News on
Tiger Woods was able to win another major. I am happy for him and the excitement
he brings to the game. However to compare it to Messianic redemption just before
Easter is giving too much weight to the value of sports. I would have been more
impressed had he been humble enough to call a news conference to ask that he be
called Eldrick rather than Tiger.
I really don't like him at all after what he has done. Good for him to
finally succeed at something but I'd rather never see him again. I prefer
any of the other golfers. I hope he does not dominate this game.
It's the immoral among the Dems that are today's pharisees. If
you're one of them you do what you like but if you're a conservative
they are all over you and they instantly are seen to embody the hate they
project on to their enemies. What gall to call themselves
'liberals'.I had the same thought as another contributor
to the forum, that it is sheer hypocrisy to minimise Tiger's infidelities
in this way while maximising the 'infidelities', many of them
blatantly false allegations with no substance. Oh well not to worry, the
Democrat Party is finished. President Trump? He doesn't
really have a political party, in that tribal way, which is the case with what
is now the largest group within the electorate: independents.
Listen, it cracks me up how we think we "know" our celebrities. From
distance, we may feel like this categorizes as "redemption" but the fact
remains we don't know Tiger's heart or desires. For all intents and
purposes, he may not give a whip about redemption and the same moral lapses that
brought about his downfall may still be in full effect 10x. He may just be
another pro athlete who wants to win Majors.The real story is his
professional perseverance. His grit in the face of physical challenges is the
story here. Don't talk "redemption" because none of us really know
his heart. It's just our societal need to put "feel-good syrup on
life's burnt pancakes".
It's not place to forgive him. Personally i think he has a
long way to go for what he did as we all do but i can stand and cheer a person
and the positive role this victory can teach about comebacks and cheering for
anyone who can accomplish such a task, wither it be golf, learning to overcome
addiction, running after a fall - whatever.Try not to be so pious
@BYUalum - South Jordan, UTApril 18, 2019 11:25 a.m.I see a
strong analogy here with the attacks on President Trump.**************WHAT?!?!?!
I see a strong analogy here with the attacks on President Trump. Everyone is
entitled to forgiveness; none of us are perfect by any means. We need to focus
more on the present as in Tiger Woods and the great odds he had to come back. We
need to focus on the present and today's victory of "no collusion or
obstruction." President Trump is doing a magnificent job considering all the
bad-mouthing on every leftist media station for the past 2 1/2 years. Let it
rest now. This has been taken care of by Muller and his team of 19 attorneys.
Let it stand!From the article: “It would be better if we
thought more carefully about the relation of old sins to current character and
the ways in which focusing on past wrongs does and does not help us as a society
to deal with our current problems.”Let President Trump govern
and keep leading this country in the right direction by being energy
independent, more manufacturing jobs, lower unemployment in all sectors: black,
Latino, Caucasian, etc., working to safeguard our country at the border, etc.Thank you Tiger Woods and President Trump for not giving up and standing
strong!God bless America!
Winning a prestigious golf tournament and receiving forgiveness from
"America" or the public, has absolutely nothing to do with obtaining
forgiveness from God (I don't know if Tiger even believes in God). And forgiveness from God is the only kind that really matters. When you
are right with Him, everything is better.I think it odd to find FTF
stealing/adopting religious expression for secularism and stating "that
forgiveness and redemption are secular matters," which they are not;
repentance/forgiveness/redemption are completely religious matters. There is a
huge difference between reforming and repenting to obtain forgiveness. One can
be done by anyone who changes and shapes up (a very good thing). The other can
only be done through the atonement of Jesus Christ, by request through prayer.
Repenting to obtain forgiveness from God is the very heart of Christianity and
opens the gate toward progression to heaven.Please, let's never
confuse a sports victory with truly obtaining forgiveness for sin and redemption
Trump wants to give him the Medal of Freedom.Tiger learned nothing. He
came back from injuries, no small feat. And won the Masters. However, he had
over 100 liaisons while married. He looked like he was remorseful. Then, he had
a well publicized relationship with Lindsey Vonn. Then, he got caught cheating
on her. Got another girlfriend, Kristin Smith, in 2017. Tiger cheated on her
with his now current girlfriend. Great golfer? Yes. Decent person? No.
Deserving of the Medal of Freedom? No way.
Using past bad deeds as a political weapon. Hmmm. Hey, at the same
time, I wonder if forgiveness and being a bit holier than thou can be used as a
political weapon as well? Seems like you'd just need the right
circumstances and a new way of looking at things. I was happy for
Tiger, but his victory didn't make me want to see Justice Kavanaugh or
Lance Armstrong in a whole new light. I wonder if it makes any of their
supporters want to see the people those men hurt find a little redemption as
Woods' story does not make any deep or global statements at all. It
teaches us that forgiveness and redemption are secular matters and highly
situational. If what's going on in your head is that some supernatural
being says it loves you and you're going to okay, that's fine -- but
it's the interplay of complex variables of culture, personality, free will
and random events that are going to determine the outcome.Woods' celebrity status tempts us to derive some far-reaching paternal
lesson from the episode, but in fact he is only one of billions of offenders,
most anonymous, whose outcomes span a universe of possibilities.
Re: "When I saw the images of (Woods) hugging his kid . . . I thought,
‘This is not his kid’s happy ending . . . .'"We
should be able to appreciate Tiger's -- or anyone's -- athletic
abilities without ascribing moral dimension to them.He's a
great golfer. Not as commanding, perhaps, as he once was, but great,
nonetheless. That doesn't equate to being "redeemed" for past
misdeeds, and the havoc wrought in the lives of those affected by it.We should appreciate a great 20-foot putt or a spot-on, 145-yard 8-iron to the
green without suggesting such a performance is an indicator of moral rectitude
-- or of God's favor.We should also apply the same standard to
other athletes, Hollywood stars, and politicians. We should be able to watch a
compelling athletic or movie performance -- even listen to the increasingly
infrequent moving political speech -- without ascribing some compelling moral
superiority to the performer/speaker.Credulous idol worship that
ascribes moral superiority to the likes of Bernie or Mayor Pete is dangerous. As
is suggesting the President's good ideas should be ridiculed because of his
"Cyclist Lance Armstrong’s fall from grace occurred just two years
after Woods’, but some people still won't return Armstrong's
calls, he recently said."The examples are vastly different.
Woods never "cheated" to help him win.