Dick Harmon: BYU Deputy AD Brian Santiago explains what transpired during impassioned pitch to Mark Pope in the Marriott Center

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  • poyman Draper, UT
    April 24, 2019 9:54 p.m.

    @azute

    "...We never played against UVU."

    ****

    We did however... We also played Utah State and Weber State.

    Which Utah based team would be better qualified to determine the strength of a team? One who schedules and plays them all? Or, one who runs from scheduling the others but is quick to sound off on which teams are stronger.

    BYU went 3-1, UVU went 1-2, Utah State went 2-1, Weber State went 1-2, and the utes went 0-1.

    Just based on these numbers it would seem logical to rate the strength of these teams in the following order:

    1) BYU
    2) USU
    3)UVU
    3) Weber State
    5) utah

  • poyman Draper, UT
    April 24, 2019 9:40 p.m.

    @utemyth,

    "...He was't even the premier coach in the WAC.
    Pope at UVU: 0-0 NCAA
    Krystkowiak at Montana: 1-2"

    ***
    Success of a program is not based on the number of NCAA Tourney wins a team in a lower level Mid major League has. Typically the WAC and the Big Sky get one invite and it goes to the Conference Tourney Champ. Montana was the class of the the weaker Big Sky Conference long before coach Kry showed up... Weber State and Northern Colorado (one of the utes new FB rivals) would win once in awhile, but it has typically been Montana's League... Just as the WAC has been owned by New Mexico State (a team that lost by 1 point to Auburn this year, who lost by 1 point to Virginia in the Final 4 this year). Success for a coach is based on Team improvement in their W-Ls not on Tourney wins. (Although it's clear why you would prefer it that way with the ute's 4-13 record against the Cougs over the past 11 years).

    Pope became HC at UVU in 2015-16. In the 2014-15 season the Wolverines went 11-19 and finished in the lower tier of the conference... UVU improved each year under Pope and this year they went 25-10 and finished 2nd behind NMS. BTW, a little home work helps credibility.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 21, 2019 6:37 p.m.

    “Pope’s UVU team was BETTER
    than 80k’s Utah team In 2019.”

    We never played against UVU.

    The ranking you use has multiple teams we beat also ranked ahead of us.....In fact, usu was ranked ahead of byu-p, yet lost to them.

    Whereas GCU bested UVU overall this season, we beat GCU.

    etc., etc., etc.

    You have ZERO concrete evidence UVU was the better team, short of proving it on the court, which never occurred.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

  • BrianB Greencastle, IN
    April 20, 2019 8:41 a.m.

    Too many people get mired in the past. The reason Pope was a better candidate than Madsen is that Pope has division I had coaching experience. He knows how to play the NCAA game, he has experience recruiting. Madsen is coming from the NBA as an assistant and it is a different world. I believe he will do great at UVU.

    Have you ever tried to lead a group of people who were totally focused on the past? It is frustrating, to say the least. The past, Jimmer, Danny, Kresimir, et al. only matters to preach tradition. The coach and the team should be judged on what they do moving forward.

    It is also counterproductive to judge success against what another team is doing, unless you are playing them in that game. It doesn't matter to BYU that Gonzaga had a 33-4 record. It mattered what Gonzaga did when they played them. Teams who focus on other teams rather than their own lose because they don;t play their own game, they are always playing to the other team. Fans would be smart to do the same. Gonzaga's 33-4 was great for them, but what hurt was the Cougars' 19-13 and poor play in the last two games.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 19, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    "But I digress. How about we stick in the present, and how about you focus on your Utes."

    No, Really:

    You can digress, but lecture me for actually focusing on my Utes? Classic!

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    April 19, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Poeltl: offers by 3, Arizona, Utah, Cal
    Kuzma: 3 star per Rivals"

    yawn

    Kuzma was a 4-star per 247Sports and was already being approached by NBA agents before he'd played in his first PAC 12 game.

    Poeltl, as an international player, didn't receive any stars.

    Both facts prove that your vacuous claim of 80k coaching 3-star players to success in the NBA is nothing but a made up fantasy.

    Both Kuzma and Poeltl would have made it the NBA without a second of coaching from 80k.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:52 p.m.

    @JohninSLC
    “And having that Sporting News trophy didn't help get Fredette drafted No.1 overall (which has NEVER happened at BYU-P, in any sport), or stick in the NBA.”

    And yet BYU does have players in the Naismith and NFL Halls of Fame, something that won’t happen for Alex Smith or Andrew Bogut. (Though it very well may for Steven Smith and has for Larry Wilson).

    But I digress. How about we stick in the present, and how about you focus on your Utes.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2019 5:56 p.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    April 18, 2019 11:39 a.m.
    utemythology

    "80K took 3 stars and turned them into NBA players."

    LOL at how you just make stuff up.

    Poeltl - ZERO stars (international player)
    Kuzma - 4-star recruit

    Both, arrived at and left Utah with no discernible improvement.

    --------

    This is the same guy who thinks Jimmer is an NBA All-Star.

    SMH

    Poeltl: offers by 3, Arizona, Utah, Cal
    Kuzma: 3 star per Rivals

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2019 2:52 p.m.

    "Having the Consensus National Player of the Year, something that's NEVER happened at the U, is a significant team accomplishment during the Dave Rose era"

    BluesClues:

    Hahaha! Typical coog-spin, the key words being "consensus" and "Rose era".

    - I don't think Andrew Bogut cries himself to sleep every night about winning only 5 of 6 POY awards in 2004-5; neither do Ute fans. And having that Sporting News trophy didn't help get Fredette drafted No.1 overall (which has NEVER happened at BYU-P, in any sport), or stick in the NBA.

    - The "Rose era" ended where it started--BYU-P's losing record in the NCAA tournament, and still no Final 4.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 18, 2019 11:39 a.m.

    utemythology

    "80K took 3 stars and turned them into NBA players."

    LOL at how you just make stuff up.

    Poeltl - ZERO stars (international player)
    Kuzma - 4-star recruit

    Both, arrived at and left Utah with no discernible improvement.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 18, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    utemythology

    "80K took 3 stars and turned them into NBA players."

    What concrete evidence do you have that 80k did anything to improve the skills of any of those players?

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    April 18, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    utemythology

    "What has BYU done before/after Ainge and before/after Jimmer?"

    What has Utah done since Bogut and since Poeltl?

    Having the Consensus National Player of the Year, something that's NEVER happened at the U, is a significant team accomplishment during the Dave Rose era, as is...

    8 NCAA's versus only 3 for U

    And, let's not forget, BYU has owned U during the Rose era, winning 14 of 20, most by double digits, just like this past season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2019 9:59 a.m.

    TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:43 a.m.
    utemythology

    "Pope’s team IMPROVED every season during his 4-year tenure at UVU.

    BYU peaked with Jimmer."

    New coach; new era.

    Where BYU peaked during the Rose era, is completely IRRELEVANT to Pope.

    Where Utah peaked during the 80k era, is completely relevant to 80k.

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    What has BYU done before/after Ainge and before/after Jimmer?

    Answer: Nothing

    80K took 3 stars and turned them into NBA players. He now has 4 star young talent, 6 on the roster.

    Pope has Utah County All Stars.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:43 a.m.
    utemythology

    "Pope’s team IMPROVED every season during his 4-year tenure at UVU.

    BYU peaked with Jimmer."

    New coach; new era.

    ----

    Same old BYU.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    April 18, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    The Pope hire is a B.

    A Madsen hire would have been an A.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 18, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    Cougar fans - if you stop scratching that rash - it will go away. Pope will do great if he looks at Saint Marys. The talent there is good but not great. The coach there is great. His teams don't run down the floor and jack up bad shots like it's Thursday night at the local Stake Center. Bennett's players are disciplined on offense and play stout defense. No hero ball. If Pope follows that lead - he will do fine and BYU will thrive.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    April 18, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    Pope has more energy than Rose and that is a good thing. He also has an attitude that is willing to learn and adjust. He was the safe choice. Madsen May have higher upside and longevity but we will get to see that play out over the next 5 yrs. Holmoe isn’t a bb guy and he relied on Santiago who in my opinion hasn’t done a good job over-seeing the bb program. He attends every game but just isn’t an impact administrator. His playing days at BYU fit in the category of getting on a D-1 team because of politics rather than skill. He was smart enough to get out of coaching and into administration ....... longer employment life ...... but the question of what qualified him to be supervising the program will be answered by this hire over the next 5 years.

    Hopefully they guessed correctly and Pope will save the program from free fall and Santiago and Holmoes jobs!

  • Pale Bear Orem, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    Because so many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints want to attend BYU, it has become harder and harder to get into. You have to have a stellar high school GPA, do all sorts of extra curricular stuff, have great recommendation letters, score really high on the ACT, and pretty much knock yourself out all four years of high school. And you have to have high moral character to follow the honor code. Growing up, these future BYU students spend hours a day playing the piano, dancing, studying, researching, or practicing so they can do their best in what they do. Then they get accepted to BYU.

    Athletes are recruited because they have talent in their sport. Do they also have to do all of the above? Let’s assume they have to be just as academically gifted as they are physically. (BYU doesn’t lower their honor code standard just to get an athlete (anymore). Would they lower their academic standards?)

    Then on top of that, they have to travel extensively during the season, all the while maintaining their game and their academic standing and their honor code adherence.

    How do you recruit to that?

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:43 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Pope’s team IMPROVED every season during his 4-year tenure at UVU.

    BYU peaked with Jimmer."

    New coach; new era.

    Where BYU peaked during the Rose era, is completely IRRELEVANT to Pope.

    Where Utah peaked during the 80k era, is completely relevant to 80k.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    utemythology

    re: “He was't even the premier coach in the WAC”

    Pope’s UVU team was BETTER
    than 80k’s Utah team In 2019.

    -----

    And 80K's team was better in 2018, 2017, 2016.

    More importantly, it will be in 2020.

    -----

    You've conveniently ignoring trends.

    Within the last 4 seasons, Pope has improved UVU from #321 to #104,
    a 217 place improvement.

    Within the last 8 seasons, 80k has improved Utah from #141 to #109,
    a 32 place improvement.

    Not only did Pope finish ahead of 80k in 2019,

    Pope improved UVU significantly more in only FOUR seasons,
    than 80k improved Utah in EIGHT seasons.

    With much less talent, Pope had much better results.

    That's COACHING!

  • SportzzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    I’ll never figure BYU out.

    Mark Madsen serves a mission, excels in basketball as a player and coach, has extensive connections in So Cal, a key recruiting ground, Those NBA connections also extend internationally, another potential recruiting ground, and I presume Madsen’s missionary status would give him credibility with mission presidents.

    Mark Pope doesn’t serve a mission, only equals his predecessor at UVU and gets the job.

    Personally, I think Pope was the safe choice, not necessarily the best choice. That’s Holmoe’s style.

  • TaxpayerinUtah Utah, UT
    April 18, 2019 7:44 a.m.

    Mark Pope is and will be the best coach in the state from April 2019 on and on and on

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    April 18, 2019 7:18 a.m.

    My neighbor plays for BYU. A few days after his hire Pope handed him a 30 page analysis of his play and where he could improve. I would say things are looking up. This next season may not be a great one, but the future is bright. BYU does have a lot of limitations on recruiting unlike Utah and other schools. As for most anything time will tell.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2019 7:09 a.m.

    @Uteology-East

    What is your deal?
    Posting snarky comments on every single BYU article only demonstrates, in clinical form, your own insecurities and jealously when it comes to BYU.

    Try and inspire your "U" to win more than 3 Conference Championships (out of over 100 contended for) and just chill bro.

    #Stop with your BYU obsession.....You'll live longer.

  • Squirtle ,
    April 18, 2019 6:53 a.m.

    @HoboA1 - Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 17, 2019 10:31 p.m.

    "It will not matter who the coach is. The ceiling at BYU is very apparent."

    Celestial Kingdom? That's a high ceiling and plenty of room for us to grow.

  • Knotholegang Queen Creek, AZ
    April 18, 2019 5:19 a.m.

    So let it be written, so let be done!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2019 12:52 a.m.

    Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 17, 2019 9:35 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “He was't even the premier coach in the WAC”

    Unlike 80k’s team,
    which peaked in Poeltl’s final season,
    and has been trending DOWN since,

    Pope’s team IMPROVED every season during his 4-year tenure at UVU.

    ----

    BYU peaked with Jimmer.

    Good luck in the Final Four!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2019 12:47 a.m.

    Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 17, 2019 9:35 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “He was't even the premier coach in the WAC”

    Pope’s UVU team was BETTER
    than 80k’s Utah team In 2019.

    -----

    And 80K's team was better in 2018, 2017, 2016.

    More importantly, it will be in 2020.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2019 12:44 a.m.

    Eddie R. - Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2019 6:46 p.m.
    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Krystkowiak at Montana: 1-2

    ---------

    I guess it's a good thing Ute fan is happy with what Krystkowiak did at Montana. Because what he's done at Utah hasn't been all that impressive.

    ---------

    Krystkowiak at Utah last 5 years:
    2 Top 25
    3 NCAA wins
    3 NBA draft picks

    BYU this century:
    2 Top 25
    4 NCAA wins
    1 Chinese All-Star

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 17, 2019 10:31 p.m.

    It will not matter who the coach is. The ceiling at BYU is very apparent.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 17, 2019 9:35 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “He was't even the premier coach in the WAC”

    Pope’s UVU team was BETTER
    than 80k’s Utah team In 2019.

    Unlike 80k’s team,
    which peaked in Poeltl’s final season,
    and has been trending DOWN since,

    Pope’s team IMPROVED every season during his 4-year tenure at UVU.

  • water rocket , 00
    April 17, 2019 7:15 p.m.

    It is impossible to build a positive culture unless the coaches have an enthusiastically positive attitude themselves. You can drive players only so far, and then it is up to the players to catch fire, or crash and burn. Those players who crash and burn are the ones who transfer or quit, and one program here in Utah seems to have more than their share of those. Incidentally, coach Smith at USU is one of those enthusiastically positive coaches, and just look at what he has accomplished!

  • Eddie R. Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2019 6:46 p.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Krystkowiak at Montana: 1-2

    ---------

    I guess it's a good thing Ute fan is happy with what Krystkowiak did at Montana. Because what he's done at Utah hasn't been all that impressive.

    ---------

    I'm hoping for good things from Pope as well. Seems like a good coach and a good dude who is passionate about being at BYU. Time will tell how things turn out, but there's no reason not to be optimistic.

  • Magnet Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2019 6:28 p.m.

    The same restrictions that Santiago and Holmoe dealt with in hiring an active member of the church as their head coach, with experience, talent, work ethic AND LDS standards - applies to recruiting. These are great kids, with a balanced life including service, education, marriage and basketball - pretty much in that order. Anything less would be contrary to the mission of BYU and the church. It's hard for these values (not impossible) to co exist with elite basketball play.

    The BYU staff is tasked with developing superior team play and helping it athletes overachieve. And when that unicorn LDS player comes along - the stars have to line up.

  • jajadad Mesa, AZ
    April 17, 2019 6:00 p.m.

    Outside of the usual negative posters about anything BYU, it’s pretty hard not to be optimistic about Coach Pope. No, UVU did not get to the NCAA last season. But they are definitely on the rise. His enthusiasm and love for basketball and his obvious knowledge of the game will combine nicely with all of the coaching and recruiting contacts he has throughout the country. Time will tell how good he can be at BYU or anywhere else. Obviously, people in the know, regard him very highly. Pitino being one of his biggest supporters, among others. He definitely has his work cut out for him. I wish him nothing but the best and hope BYU begins rising again and the UVU does the same. I also have high hopes for Weber State and Utah State. The basketball programs in most of the state of Utah are in good hands.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 17, 2019 5:00 p.m.

    @poyman - Draper, UT

    I am hoping for big things with Pope... I truly believe he could end up being one of the premier coaches in America...

    ------

    He was't even the premier coach in the WAC.

    Pope at UVU: 0-0 NCAA
    Krystkowiak at Montana: 1-2

    Good luck in the Final Four!

  • poyman Draper, UT
    April 17, 2019 4:46 p.m.

    Hopefully we land a recruit or two that could catch Yoeli's eye and Pope can reason with him that he would be a better prospect for the NBA if he played out his senior year (not only that, he could walk into the NBA with a Diploma from a great university in his hands).

    I am hoping for big things with Pope... I truly believe he could end up being one of the premier coaches in America before he begins collecting Social Security.