Letter: Celebrate religious diversity

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  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2019 12:30 p.m.

    RedShirt - USS Enterprise, UT

    "Why do you have such a hard time accepting that people would want to celebrate and enjoy the differences in religions?"

    look at the local religious folks for a start.

    RedShirtCalTech - Pasedena, CA

    To "ConservativeCommonTater " prove it. Prove that LDS legislators are forcing their religion on you. Have you been forced against your will to join the LDS church? Have you been forced to pay tithing? Show us how they have forced you to do anything that is unique to the LDS church."

    Ok, you can't be that ignorant of how the local religion works. You can look at the religious beliefs that have been forced on us by the LDS Corp. Alcohol is one of the prime examples. No lottery tickets. Abortion laws, vehicles sales on Sunday, etc., etc. The LDS Corp has their legislative reps do their bidding for them.

    "To "my_two_cents_worth" what are you trying to say? Are you saying that 67% of the world agrees with me?"

    You can't get 67% of the people here to agree with you, so no. Not many agree with you, even when you use your 3 REDSHIRT accounts to say the same thing. Say the same thing multiple times under different names doesn't make you right.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    April 17, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    To "Thomas Jefferson" you are very confusing. You first state that you fear those that have strong religious convictions. You can't actually show us any examples of how that is a bad thing, but that is what you believe.

    Once I pointed out that politicians who use government for gain and power are a greater threat, you agree with me, but have to throw religion in there too. But what you fail to address is the fact that very few politicians actually have any deep commitment to their faith, so again your argument against religion falls apart when you look at the greater danger that the government is to our lives.

    How is Trump's life any different than Bill Clinton? The only differences that I can see is that Trump has been divorced after the affairs, and Hillary Destroyed the lives of the women that had affairs with Bill. Your ilk told us that what a person does in their bedroom is their business and it doesn't matter. Why does it matter what Trump does, but not the Clinton's?

    But again you are just diverting attention from the fact that it is the people that seek to use government as the solution for our problems that are the biggest threat to freedom.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    "To "Thomas Jefferson" the irony of your statement is that it is people in Government that are seeking power and wealth in greater numbers than those in religion. The most dangerous people in today's society are those that have determined that government is the solution to our problems. Yes there are a few in religion that are seeking power, but the majority of religious leaders are concerned primarily with the people in their congregations."

    Soooo laughable. Soooo wrong.

    There is not one republican (and probably only a couple democrats) who doesnt use his/her Christianity on full display to try to get elected. I challenge you to find one republican on the national stage that doesnt use their religion on all their election materials to try to sway the public. We even have Michelle Bachman who fought to install her religious views into public policy at every turn, recently saying "never seen a more biblical president than President Trump." A man who has very publicly cheated on all three of his wives. A man who spent his entire life in an effort to gain wealth and publicity for himself.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    April 17, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    To "ConservativeCommonTater " prove it. Prove that LDS legislators are forcing their religion on you. Have you been forced against your will to join the LDS church? Have you been forced to pay tithing? Show us how they have forced you to do anything that is unique to the LDS church.

    Yes, Jesus would agree with me. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Right there you have Jesus saying exactly what I have said. There is only 1 path to God. We can further this by going into the specifics of the Church that Jesus established if you want.

    To "my_two_cents_worth" what are you trying to say? Are you saying that 67% of the world agrees with me?

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    This "respect for religious diversity" statement is already divisive. It separates out those that do not share religious beliefs with anyone. They would be the atheists in society that the religious condemn.

    If the statement is true, would the D-News allow me to say; "May Satan Bless you and all in your house?"

    No diversity for those kinds of beliefs? Hypocrisy

    RedShirt - USS Enterprise, UT
    April 16, 2019 10:41 a.m.
    "To "Thomas Jefferson" the irony of your statement is that it is people in Government that are seeking power and wealth in greater numbers than those in religion. Yes there are a few in religion that are seeking power, but the majority of religious leaders are concerned primarily with the people in their congregations."

    False! Just look at the 90% Mormon legislators in Utah that force their religious beliefs on us through law. Look at those in DC that do the same. They get a lot of contributions for that.

    RedShirt - USS Enterprise, UT
    April 16, 2019 3:31 p.m.
    "To "Ranch" Jesus wouldn't disagree with me. He said that there is only one path that leads to God. Who are you going to trust, some guy or Jesus?"

    YOU are telling Jesus he should agree with YOU? hah hah

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 17, 2019 5:54 a.m.

    "Just as we celebrate ethnic and cultural diversity, let us also celebrate diversity in religious beliefs and practices."

    Yes, let's celebrate the diversity in religious beliefs and practices. The diversity, not necessarily the religious beliefs and practices themselves. Those are personal, and attempting to make some part of them the law of the land or to drag them out into the public square only tends to deteriorate and mock the diversity itself.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    April 17, 2019 4:20 a.m.

    @RedShirt, RedShirtUofU, Redshirt1701, RedShirtHarvard, RedShirtCalTech, et al,

    “ Jesus wouldn’t disagree with me.”

    67% of the world’s population would.

    “Who are you going to trust, some guy or Jesus?”

    I’m part of the 67%; some guy every time and twice on Tuesday.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    April 16, 2019 8:44 p.m.

    @Impartial7: "When you have a dominant religion, whose core tenet is that they are the "one true religion", and everyone else's religion is false, is not very conducive to tolerance and understanding."

    Which religion is that? The late President of the CoJCoLDS, Gordon Hinckley repeatedly said, "Bring all the good you have and let us see if we can add to it." That seems quite a different stance than "everyone else's religion is false."

    If one is going to refer to 19th century language, one needs to put that language into full cultural, linguistic, and historic context. Otherwise, the Great Emanicpator Abe Lincoln can be made to look like the worst of racist bigots, and the CoJCoLDS could be made to falsely appear to claim that no other church has goodness or truth.

    Of course, all 3 of the great Abrahamic religions make claims of exclusive authority from being God's chosen people, to "no man cometh unto the Father but by me."

    No surprise then, that within Christianity, claims of unique authority are also common from the Roman and Orthodox Catholic churches, to Evangelical denominations, and to include the Utah local majority church. That is far different than you paint.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    April 16, 2019 8:25 p.m.

    Red Shirt

    The Greeks called it hubris. The notion that one particular faith tradition or the other is the only way to some transcendent reality is just that.

    And your line of argumentation only proves my point. It was nice of you to say that other religionists might be nice people who do good works though.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 16, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    To "Ranch" but the 1st Amendment doesn't stop me from discriminating either. It is void of anything regarding discrimination. However, I can make the case that it allows for discrimination much easier than you could make the case that the 1st Amendment is against discrimination.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 16, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    To "Ranch" Jesus wouldn't disagree with me. He said that there is only one path that leads to God. Who are you going to trust, some guy or Jesus?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    April 16, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    @RedShirt;

    "To "unrepentant progressive" there may be many paths up the mountain, but there is only one path to God."

    Clearly *every* other religious path man has ever created would disagree with you.

    Sorry, to tell you but the 1st Amendment does not grant you the right to discriminate against others; it gives you the right to believe and practice w/o government interference, it doesn't give you the right to open a business and claim that business has privileges other businesses do not have.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 16, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    To "unrepentant progressive" there may be many paths up the mountain, but there is only one path to God.

    We can celebrate diversity, but we can also recognize that not all of those paths will lead to the same place. They are not evil, and many to great and kind things for the world and we celebrate that.

    Why do you have such a hard time accepting that people would want to celebrate and enjoy the differences in religions?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    April 16, 2019 11:41 a.m.

    It is remarkably counterintuitive to wish to celebrate religious diversity, and claim you have the true answers to all the great question of life and the possible hereafter.

    IMHO, there are many paths up the mountain. Some more circuitous than others, but nonetheless working toward the same goal. I respect another's path, why can't the other respect mine?

    Something other than religion is involved. In some way the various religious sects and affiliations have turned into warring tribes intent on vanquishing their "opponents". It has little to do with dogma. After all, it is pretty much the same in Christianity anyway. Looks to me as if people are just looking to look down on someone to make themselves feel better.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 16, 2019 10:41 a.m.

    To "Thomas Jefferson" the irony of your statement is that it is people in Government that are seeking power and wealth in greater numbers than those in religion. The most dangerous people in today's society are those that have determined that government is the solution to our problems. Yes there are a few in religion that are seeking power, but the majority of religious leaders are concerned primarily with the people in their congregations.

    To "The Real Maverick" but the "Mormons in Utah" do defend the Muslims. They defend all religions, not just the popular ones.

    To "Ranch" actually the 1st amendment says nothing about discrimination. In many ways it permits discrimination because it clearly states that the Government cannot do anything to impede the free exercise of religion. So, if your religion discriminates against a group, in theory the government can't do anything about it.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    April 16, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    "There are some who willfully minimize and discriminate against those of faith, "

    -- You reap what you sow. Your own scriptures told you that.

    The 1st Amendment does not give you the right to discriminate against others. It does not put your religious beliefs above the law. Perhaps you should be more concerned about following the commandments of your god rather than using those beliefs to harm others.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    April 16, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    Will the dnews write an editorial about defending “religious freedom” from those who mock it by demanding that Donald unpin his anti-Muslim tweet about Rep Omar?

    Until Mormons in Utah defend the religious freedom of Muslims in this country, and call out republicans who trample it, this whole “religious freedom” concept is but a joke.

    Remember, if we don’t defend the religious freedom of others and call out the hate, who will defend us?

  • Sharkey Layton, UT
    April 16, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    Mike Richards is correct, from the fundamentalist point of view. How can you celebrate diversity while sending out huge numbers of missionaries to convert people? It makes zero sense.

    There are many religions that are not even Abrahamic, let alone Christ-based. Eventually, we will either need to return to "keep it out of the public square" or give the Satanists equal time.

    My kids were in private Christian School for years and they claimed they just wanted the law settled as to what they could do. Really, they wanted public funding.

    The Restoration of Religious Freedom Act is a boondoggle that has the US re-litigating what was settled law. It will never be settled - that seems so clear to me.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    I treat all religions as equally as possible.
    I think they are all made up by men seeking power over and money from the credulous. I think they are all antithetical to living in reality. I think those who are most committed to their religion are the most dangerous to society.

    OTOH I think the most important thing we have as a country is our freedom of thought, speech, and association...so freedom of religion. I want religion to die the natural death of all bad ideas, under the weight of the fact that it is humans pretending that the magic in their religion is totally real while the dismiss the claims of other religions.

    We should have religious freedom and use it by recognizing that religion is bad for society. It was our first swipe at philosophy and like all first tries, it fails miserably.

    But it should never be the governmental which stops religion. It should be better understanding of reality which moves more and more people away.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, UT
    April 16, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    When Christ spoke, he said, "Come unto me." Our personal desire should be the same; to find him and then to go to him. Being tolerant towards all people is part of Christ's gospel, but being tolerant to all religion is not the same thing. If we have covenanted at baptism to stand as a witness of Christ at all times and in all places, that includes testifying of him and his gospel. Did Christ ever show acceptance of other religions? He loved the people, no matter what they believed, but he clearly said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 16, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    "We can choose to be offended and negatively react to religious beliefs and practices, or we can choose constructive tolerance, enhance understanding, act with civility and exercise unity as neighbors and citizens."

    When you have a dominant religion, whose core tenet is that they are the "one true religion", and everyone else's religion is false, is not very conducive to tolerance and understanding.