Massive fire engulfs beloved Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 16, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    "it would also be nice if any number of wealthy people offered to rebuild it. "

    They already have promised donations over 400 million Euros.

    No impart, you made it about Trump. An interview with a French fireman said no they could not use water tankers but said they had considered it and rejected it before Trump's tweet.

    A historical fact is they had a nick-name for the cathedral, "The Forest". Because of the amount of lumber that was cut to build it.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    April 16, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    I think the reason people are upset with Trump is that he appears to have no idea of how to show sympathy to others. Instead it's all about his ideas and his contributions, even when he clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

    Seriously, does he think it's a new idea that the firefighters "must act quickly?"

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    April 16, 2019 8:25 a.m.

    I think the reason people are upset with Trump is not that his idea is not a legitimate option, according to structural engineers. The reason people are upset is that his tweet implied that the French firefighters weren't doing all that could be done to fight the fire. He implied that if they didn't take his advice, with time running out, they would lose the building. It would be the equivalent of someone coming off the street with no experience telling a teacher how to teach math, or a person who's looked something up on the internet lecturing a doctor about treatment. It's the suggestion that he, alone, is the expert on all things and his consistent discounting of experts on their fields of expertise.

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    April 15, 2019 10:33 p.m.

    It is a real tragedy. But other cathedrals in Europe were damaged severely during World War II, and some were rebuilt.

    As for Trump's suggestion to consider aerial water drops, they can done with properly equipped helicopters, just as they were done on the burning Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear reactors in 2011 when the radiation danger ruled out conventional fire trucks.

    In 2000, helicopters equipped to pick up and deposit water were used to fight a wildfire that burned some 200 square miles of sagebrush and radioactive industrial structures at the Hanford Nuclear Site in eastern Washington, where 75% of the plutonium in American nuclear weapons was manufactured. Every five minutes I could watch a helicopter pick up a load of water from the Columbia River outside my office. The Paris fire fighters are already spraying tons of water onto the burning roof, so a helicopter drop, perhaps using water from the Seine, would just be an alternate way of putting the same volume of fire suppression water onto the burning roof.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 15, 2019 9:51 p.m.

    When I was 7-years old, an arsonist spout has all around our almost completed chapel and lit a match to burn everything inside and into the roof.

    I hav also seen buildings under construction and remodeling burn due to wiring, welding, and fuel sources being the cause even from smoldering.

    It is said to think of that Cathedral having water surrounding the building but no active fire suppression.

    The Provo Tabernacle was a similar fire of a historic building.

    I am grateful everyone apparently got out safely.

  • RR_Xing San Diego, CA
    April 15, 2019 8:56 p.m.

    "Then Quasimodo said, with a sob which heaved his deep chest,—'Oh! all that I have ever loved!'"

  • water rocket , 00
    April 15, 2019 8:21 p.m.

    Some thoughts come to mind

    1) We can mourn with those of other faiths for their losses, because their losses are also our losses (to some degree).

    2) We can share concern for those responsible for this tragedy, although I suspect that some responsibility will also have some consequences.

    3) I suspect that Trump and other leaders have empathy for this tragic event, even if they don't know the best words to use in expressing their feelings.

    4) Now is not a time to cast stones, but to unite in common and shared grief.

    5) I would love to see it rebuilt, but how do you ever restore the original art work? You don't.

    6) This is not the same thing as the terrorist attack on the twin towers, but it truly is a tremendous loss for France, the Catholic church, tourism, and architectural admirers.

    7) What affects one segment of society affects all of society to a degree.

    8) Now is a good time to offer condolences.

    9) The good people of France will appreciate the good people of America as we share their feelings of loss.

    10) We can learn from the past, but build for the future.

  • aggiefather Fulton, MO
    April 15, 2019 7:55 p.m.

    Aujourd'hui, nous sommes tous parisiens. (Today, we are all Parisians.)

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    April 15, 2019 7:04 p.m.

    I am not sure about any on the inane chatter here and elsewhere..... it is Holy Week... the most important events in the history of the world occurred 2000 years ago.... so pray for the firefighters... pray for cathedral... pray for Paris

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    April 15, 2019 6:56 p.m.

    This is a tragic destruction of a great historical structure.

    FYI, since the French Revolution, all of the Catholic Church structures, in France, were taken over by the national government. The French population wanted to reduce the power of that church.

    Couple reasons that the French government will rebuild the structure; they own it and it brings in money through tourism.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 15, 2019 6:40 p.m.

    "Catholics didn't rebuild it. We rebuilt it. It was expensive. The Pope didn't pay for it."

    Two bits... you are really comparing the historic and cultural significance of the Provo Tabernacle to Notre Dame? Literally millions of people each year visit Paris, and this is the most visited location in Paris. This is as if the Salt Lake Temple bought on fire - but only on steroids. The idea that we would only offer help and support if they helped us first is really kinda sad.

    Second, the Catholic Church has long held a special place in out faith and development. Early on Brigham Young had Catholic nuns brought to the valley to teach his kids. Durning my grandfathers funeral the catholic priest stood on the steps of the church and rang the bells as his procession headed to the SL cemetery.

    Notre Dame is truly a special building. It has been the center of faith for literally centuries... to millions of people. To many of our ancestors of European decent it was only second to the Vatican in importance. Anyway, sad day for millions of people.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 15, 2019 6:22 p.m.

    @jsf - Centerville, UT
    April 15, 2019 3:38 p.m.
    To all the Trump haters, this isn't about Trump. and it isn't about you."

    Trump made it about Trump, just like he always does. He's the President, he could've called experts in the US to explain to him why his "idea" would do more damage than the fire. French people, including their leaders don't like Trump and they sure don't need his ill
    advised remarks while their cherished national treasure is burning.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    April 15, 2019 5:40 p.m.

    @ 2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT - April 15, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    and

    @ LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT - April 15, 2019 3:21 p.m.

    My mistake. I did not mean that the LDS church should offer to rebuild the entire cathedral. "Helping" is nice but totally taking over is not a good idea because that would very likely cause hard feelings from the Catholic church to the LDS church due to a (false) perception that Mormons feel the Catholics are weak and can't do or sustain anything without help. Anyway, "taking over" is not what I meant, I just meant to "help" in terms of the financial cost. Personally, I feel an offer to help financially or otherwise would be a wonderfully warm, and appreciated, gesture.

    Cheers.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    April 15, 2019 5:31 p.m.

    When I first read the suggestion from the President that air tankers drop water on the fire, my immediate reaction was -- hey, that might work. But then of course, it was explained that this would do more harm than good. Okay, it was just an idea. I don't think we need to criticize the president for not being a structural engineer. I think he was honestly trying to help. And for that matter, it would be a nice gesture for the LDS church to completely finance the rebuild; not practical, but a nice idea and it would also be nice if any number of wealthy people offered to rebuild it. Maybe a lot of people can contribute.

    This is a tragedy. Let's treat it as such and avoid the temptation to take opportunity to be critical of suggestions and good intentions; even if not well thought out.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    April 15, 2019 4:48 p.m.

    Rubydo - Provo, UT, I agree! The vile comments attacking your fellow Americans from Trump and his Supporters is now very common place.
    It really does shock his Supporters when one as bad hits them.

    I am very sad for the destruction of Notre Dame Cathedral

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 15, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    @we the people

    "Trump's idea to use water-bombing planes was brilliant."

    Oh yes, it was brilliant. Hey, I've got an idea: Let's drop water from planes on every structure fire. If it works in France, it would work here too.

    Oh wait, I know why: Because the force of the water destroys the structure you're trying to save.

    Never mind...

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 15, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    ji_ - “Notre Dame de Paris is owned and maintained by the people of France through its government, not by the Roman Catholic Church, although the church is allowed use of the space.”

    Only partially true.

    Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State.

  • ji_ Ketchikan, AK
    April 15, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    Notre Dame de Paris is owned and maintained by the people of France through its government, not by the Roman Catholic Church, although the church is allowed use of the space. M. Macron, the President of the Republic of France, has already expressed an intention (a hope?) to rebuild.

    This is a sad day.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    April 15, 2019 3:37 p.m.

    I've never been to the cathedral, my knowledge of French history is probably far too dependent on French literature, and I'm not religious. And yet I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. Pres. Macron just said it: "It's our common history."

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 15, 2019 3:38 p.m.

    To all the Trump haters, this isn't about Trump. and it isn't about you.

  • Hockey Fan Miles City, MT
    April 15, 2019 3:27 p.m.

    Political commentary just does not belong here. This is a very sad tragedy on so many levels: religious, artistic, historical, aesthetic, cultural, just to name a few. Please stay on topic and leave out the political commentary.

    All people of good will should feel a terrible sense of loss of this iconic piece of architecture, history, and worship.

  • WeThePeople Sandy, UT
    April 15, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    Why are so many people using this Tragic Event to mock our Leader Donald Trump?

    Trump's idea to use water-bombing planes was brilliant. Did the French take his advice?

    Perhaps Trump can help in the rebuilding. He has erected many many buildings all over the world. The French would be grateful for his help.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2019 3:21 p.m.

    The Caravan Moves On - "I feel bad for Catholics. I know I would be enormously sad to see the Salt Lake temple burn to the ground. I am already wondering if in a "lemons to lemonade" move, if the Church will reach out to the Pope and offer to help in this tragedy? Perhaps even to offer to help pay for a complete rebuild? What a way to help improve our mutual friendship and strengths!"

    A nice, but completely unrealistic, gesture.

    IF they decide to rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral, it will likely cost over $1 billion and the lost art work is irreplaceable.

    It would be like trying to replace the Mona Lisa, only on an infinitely grander scale.

    btw,

    The Provo Tabernacle wasn't rebuilt; the brick facade and some of the towers were preserved, but the remainder of the building was completely replaced with an entirely new building.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 15, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    @rubydo

    "Insinuating that Trump and Putin are celebrating this event surprises me that such a ridiculous statement would make it past the DN moderators."

    Well, yours made it past as well, so I guess anything is possible.

    Trump is not celebrating this, but you have to admit that tweeting about airdropping water on it is quite a buffoonish thing to say.

    And sorry to rain on your parade, but authorities in Paris already said it was a construction fire, not terrorism.

  • ji_ Ketchikan, AK
    April 15, 2019 3:18 p.m.

    I am much saddened by this news. Notre Dame has stood watch over Paris for 850+ years. It is a sad day for France, all of Christendom, and the whole world.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 15, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    @The Caravan Moves On
    RE: "I am already wondering if the Church will reach out to the Pope and offer to help in this tragedy? Perhaps even to offer to help pay for a complete rebuild? We shall see"...
    ---
    We know what this feels like you know. Remember when the historic Provo Tabernacle burned recently? Google "How a simple spark destroyed the Provo Tabernacle" for some pictures of the destruction

    Catholics didn't rebuild it. We rebuilt it. It was expensive. The Pope didn't pay for it. Expecting the LDS church to pay for a complete rebuild of Notre Dame Cathedral seems a little strange. We're nowhere as big or as rich as the Catholic Church.

    Pretty sure the Pope will raise funds to rebuild it. Just like the renovation they were doing when the fire started. Just like we did when the Provo Tabernacle burned.

    Cathedrals like Notre Dame cost a ton. Took generations of dedicated Catholics to build it. Hoping the LDS church will fund a complete rebuild to show we are friends seems a little silly.

    They will rebuild it. Not the LDS church. And no... that doesn't mean we are not friends.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    April 15, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    I feel bad for Catholics. I know I would be enormously sad to see the Salt Lake temple burn to the ground.

    I am already wondering if in a "lemons to lemonade" move, if the Church will reach out to the Pope and offer to help in this tragedy? Perhaps even to offer to help pay for a complete rebuild? What a way to help improve our mutual friendship and strengths!

    We shall see....

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    April 15, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    @ Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT - April 15, 2019 12:59 p.m. - "This is so sad. We last visited in 2017. The only thing more shocking is Trump's inane tweet. Is there no situation that he can't make worse?"

    What should Trump have said?....."Burn!, baby, burn!"

    I mean, seriously?... (SMH)

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    Impartial7 - "This is so sad. We last visited in 2017. The only thing more shocking is Trump's inane tweet. Is there no situation that he can't make worse?"

    Seriously, you can't even observe a "moment of silence" for such an historic, heartbreaking loss without dragging your political, Trump hating agenda into it?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 15, 2019 2:12 p.m.

    Tragic. I hope the construction company has really, really good insurance.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    April 15, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    I just read about trump's idiotic tweet.

    No wonder the French don't think much of him.

    America's embarrassment.

    We apologize, people of France.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    April 15, 2019 2:07 p.m.

    A tragedy, indeed.

    Few things in the world are absolutely irreplaceable, and this is one of them.

  • Yorkshire Logan, UT
    April 15, 2019 2:03 p.m.

    My heart hurts for those in Paris-- and it hurts for the rest of us who loved that building.
    So very sad.

    I talked to one person from NYC who said it was doubly hard to get over the effects of 9/11 because the skyline was changed-- and every time he saw the Twin Towers missing it was a fresh stab to the heart and a fresh wave of sadness.

    So glad terrorism was not involved with Notre Dame (at least at this time they don't think so) but that changed skyline there will haunt people for a long time.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 15, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    @Impartial7
    RE: "The only thing more shocking is Trump's inane tweet"...
    ---
    Oh my gosh Impartial. Even this has to be twisted into a dig on Trump?

    I just think this is sad enough without bringing the usual partisan bickering into it. Can we leave it out of one topic?

    ===

    On the "Study: Fox News is obsessed with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez" story in the DesNews today...
    A liberal said, "Fox News has mentioned AOC 3,181 times in 42 days. That's an average of 78 times per day. Any human being who repeats the same phrase 78 times a day probably should see a mental health professional"...
    ---
    So... should people who mention Trump in every comment see a mental health professional?

    How often is Trump mentioned in your news? 78 times at least. Should people at CNN, MSNBC, etc, see a mental health Professional? Or just people who mention AOC a lot?

    ===

    @LOU Montana,
    RE: "Trump and Putin celebrate this moment"...
    ---
    Seriously?

    ===

    RE: "Dictators always remove important and historical monuments"...
    ---
    Are you seriously saying Trump did this?

    And is Trump really a dictator? No more than any other American President.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    April 15, 2019 1:49 p.m.

    Incredibly sad, heartbreaking loss.

    Our family visited the Notre Dame Cathedral a year ago last week.

    A piece of history that will never be replaced was lost today.

    My heart grieves with all of France tonight.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    April 15, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    The people of Paris and France have lost their most beautiful ancient sacred space. My heart hurts for them. The world has lost a priceless treasure.

  • Sunset Fred , 00
    April 15, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    That is awful! Spent 18 months in Paris as a missionary. The Notre Dame was one of my favorite landmarks. Beautiful building and an incredible loss for a beautiful city.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 15, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    This is so sad. We last visited in 2017. The only thing more shocking is Trump's inane tweet. Is there no situation that he can't make worse?

  • MabelPines Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 15, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    Notre Dame survived the Nazis, only to be taken out by some construction workers. I was there last month, it's even more detailed and amazing in person. So much history and artistry. And during Holy Week! Such a tragic loss.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    April 15, 2019 12:26 p.m.

    This is among the most beautiful of buildings I have ever had the privilege of being in. It is a testament to the sacrifice of many generations of faithful Christians who worked on it over centuries, many giving their lives in the process. I hope the fire can be contained quickly. Even minimal damage to a great Cathedral such as this will sadly cause the loss of irreplaceable artwork and religious treasures, and will be tragic to the many who worship there regularly. Our hearts go out to the people of Paris.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 15, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    So sad. Such an iconic piece of classic architecture. And so integral to the community and the people of Paris. It's a shame.