Janet pete"Can you explain how william barr 3 1/2 page condensed
a 400+ page report 3 1/2 pages of nothing."Sure, it's
called a summary. Barr did it as a courtesy because everyone wants answers. Barr
quoted mueller's findings and in mueller's exact words, "the
investigation did not establish that member's of the trump campaign
conspired or coordinated with the russian government in it's election
interference activities". Mueller's words not Barr's. Look it up
its public info."Usually an AG promises to be a servant of the
american people, not a president's lap dog."Barr will
release the redacted version of the mueller report tomorrow after all grand jury
and sensitive material regarding national security is removed, because its the
law contrary to what you hear on spinn tv.Barr also stated since
there is no underlying crime there cannot be any obstruction, trump is innocent
just like kavanaugh.Barr will also look into the predication of this
investigation since there is no evidence of a crime to justify it in the first
place. A fake dossier, conspiring with russia occurred by the left to falsely
accuse trump, fox news had it right, spinn tv did not, hence the egg!
Unrepentant"What will trump supporters say when various
illegalities committed by the president, or his minions, is established by the
mueller report?"Well, Mueller himself already told us in his own
words as quoted in the Barr report. Mueller said:"The
investigation did not establish that member's of the trump campaign
conspired or coordinated with the russian government in it's election
interference activities."The current spinn from propaganda news
taploid worthy MSM is that Barr cannot be trusted with his 4 page summary, but
he quoted mueller, and mueller himself has not come out said anything to the
contrary.FOX news has been reporting on this fake manufactured
allegations against the president for the past two years and in mueller's
own words he confirmed that FOX news has been more accurate than spinn tv.When not one american was indicted specific to the allegations of
russian collusion that says something, the fact that the indictments as a result
of the investigation were for crimes not tied to trump or russia at all confirms
this whole thing turned into a witch hunt.Too much spinn tv...
Mad hatterSaid poster claims: the economy, the unemployment
rate's have all been on a upward trend the past ten years and trump cannot
claim the economy as all his.Does said poster realise that obama has
the dubious distinction to be the only president to never reach a 3% GDP in all
8 years, does said poster realise that more american's were out of work or
under employed at the end of obama's terms than when he first started?
Infact obama had the worse labor participation rates since the 70's, he had
49% of american's on some kind of welfare assistance by the end, an all
time record and he was proud of it.Correct me if I'm wrong but
the real determination of the health of our economy is how many people are
actually working and producing. Obama said all of those manufacturing jobs are
not coming back, wrong, we lost 210k of them under obama, in 2 years trump
gained over 400k.Too much spinn tv...
Spokane Ute - Spokane, WAApril 16, 2019 2:47 p.m."I
don't care what he says; I care what he does."So you accept
the fact that Donald Trump is an incorrigible liar, has committed serious fraud
and deadbeat, a racist xenophobe, wannabe dictator, misogynist and overall bad
human being, and you will still support him, right?However, you say
that you only care about what he does. Is that correct? Now you can't give
him credit for a economy which has been trending upwards for the past ten years
and a unemployment number that has been trending downward over the same period.
Also, you cannot give him credit for the stock market since that also was moving
upwards these last ten years.You can credit him for very
conservative Supreme Court justices (2) and conservative justices appointed to
circuit and appellate courts. You can also credit him for a tax cut and tax
package that has benefitted the wealthy very much, but my taxes have gone up
this year and I get less deductions because of limits made to help the rich get
more. So that's highly questionable.What Trump has accomplished
on foreign affairs has been a disaster with his insulting our allies while
sending love to dictators.
unrepentant progressive - Bozeman, MTLet us turn this question around. What will Trump supporters say when various illegalities committed by
the President, or his minions, is established in the Mueller report? Will, as
the President is often quoted as saying, maintain his support after committing
almost any act, including murder on 5th Ave in Manhattan in broad daylight?We already know some of the answer to that. Caught on tape talking about
sexual aggression, and having to comply with a consent degree to shut down his
family foundation because of misuse of funds, did not shake the support Trump
gets from his diehards fans. Paying off porn stars and lying about it did not
matter either. How awful does the man have to be to lose his admirers? Or does
the content of his character matter so little, so long as he bullies minorities
and Democrats, to the 40% of the country that is his base?-----------I don't care what he says; I care what he does. I.E. Foreign affairs,
unemployment, GDP, Stock Market, Taxes, etc. You Libs don't
care what he does; you care what he says. See the difference Sporto?
@unrepentant progressive: "How awful does the man have to be to lose his
admirers?"The change will be incremental and start on the
margins, as individual Trump supporters reach their personal tipping point. The
moral and intellectual cost of continued support will eventually outweigh the
significant reluctance for admitting they made such a mistake in the first
place.I believe that the vast majority of Trump supporters are good
people. Good people make mistakes. And all people -- the good and the bad --
have a very hard time admitting they made a mistake. Choosing Trump
as a candidate, electing him in the general election, and continuing to support
him, has been a doozy of a mistake, made by many good people. Any number of GOP
primary candidates would have made comparable SCOTUS appointments and more
effectively carried out conservative policies. And they choose this guy.The psychological cost of that mistake is significant, and grows with
Trump's continued aberrant behavior. In contrast, the cost of admitting
such a mistake is fixed. As hard as that admission will be, eventually it will
simply become less costly than continuing to support Trump.
Trump supporters have taunted Trump detractors, talking about detractors having
egg on their face after the report is furnished to the American public.
Followed by a schoolyard tease about Denny's and egg shortages.Let us turn this question around. What will Trump supporters say
when various illegalities committed by the President, or his minions, is
established in the Mueller report? Will, as the President is often quoted as
saying, maintain his support after committing almost any act, including murder
on 5th Ave in Manhattan in broad daylight?We already know some of
the answer to that. Caught on tape talking about sexual aggression, and having
to comply with a consent degree to shut down his family foundation because of
misuse of funds, did not shake the support Trump gets from his diehards fans.
Paying off porn stars and lying about it did not matter either. How awful does
the man have to be to lose his admirers? Or does the content of his character
matter so little, so long as he bullies minorities and Democrats, to the 40% of
the country that is his base?
"As a diversion, Trump will probably declare war on Luxembourg on Wednesday
night."Not a smidgen of speculation there."After all,
Hillary was found to not have committed a crime in the email
investigation"No, it was James Comey's ridiculous claim that no
prosecutor would be willing to prosecute her."It is my
understanding that the Attorney General cannot release the full report as it
would endanger people, and/or break the law."I think many Democrats
know this very well, and they're asking for the full report anyway. I leave
it to the reader to ascertain the motive."Trump wigging out and
having a complete meltdown"You have a very vivid imagination, or
perhaps that's simply projection."Putin is laughing himself
silly."Lol, no speculation there either. Is Donald Trump the 2020
presidential candidate who honeymooned in the USSR? Or was it a Democratic
candidate?"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it."You've just described
the Russian Collusion narrative."For someone claiming innocence,
he's sure acting guilty."Leftists sure love subjective standards.
President Trump said he is not worried about the release of special counsel
Robert Mueller's report, saying it will show the now-closed Russia
investigation was "a total phony." Yet the left says his remarks are an
"attack"! The only people worried about the release of the Mueller
report are Democrats who deeply fear that the AG summary report is spot on
accurate! When will Democrats apologize to America and to President Trump?
Honorable, honest people would apologize but the Democrats?
Democrats will be upset after reading the Mullen report but will continue to
read between the lines trying to find conspiracy.
For someone claiming innocence, he's sure acting guilty.
There sure are a lot of people on here who know a lot about a report that has
not been released.No matter what it says they will skew it to fit their
narrative. They will feel that they are better qualified to interpret the
results of the investigators because they either like Trump or hate him. For
once could we just go by the rule of law and make judgement based on the law and
evidence and not the Media and political pundits. If you have compelling
evidence to add to what has been investigated why haven't you shared it
already to the proper authority for scrutiny instead of instead of the authority
of public opinion and speculation.
Sportsfan123 - Herriman, UTApril 15, 2019 10:36 p.m."When
the report comes out it will show just how much egg the left has on their
faces."Apparently you haven't been reading the newspapers
for the past two years. Why should the Left have egg on their faces? Maybe
you.re expressing wishful thinking. Can you explain how William Barr 3 1/2 page
condensed a 400+ page report into 3 1/2 pages of nothing? Why is the Trump
administration in a dither following their victory parade? Maybe they're
not sure that Barr will do everything he can including burning the report to
protect Donald Trump.The thing with people suspicious of Barr is
that they have ample reason to be cynical about his loyalties. Usually an AG
promises to be a servant of the American people, not a president's lap dog.
However, if you remember, Chris Christie said that the Mueller report probably
isn't the greatest danger to Trump. That threat is coming from the other
investigations that are targeting this man. When Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to
lying, Trump was identified as Individual-1 as co-conspirator.You
need to explain your position better in your comments instead of issuing some
lame insult. Very Trump.
"There is no collusion!" Donald J. Trump“If you tell a
lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people
from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress
dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension,
the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”Trump and his
administration live by Joesph Goebbels famous phrase.
@we the peopleYour comment...Mr. Trump is a righteous
man.My rejoinder...Mr. trump is a righteous man?I know many righteous men.There are 15 who lead The Church
of JesusChrist of Latter Day Saints as well as many more working in other
capacities.There are many more spread throughout the world
representing various religions as well as secular viewpoints.I
respect your efforts to offer your opinion.However, for the life of
me I simply cannot accept your opinion that Mr. trump is a righteous man.Mr. trump as witnessed by his documented behavior throughout the years
is simply the very antithesis of righteousness.His antipathy to
righteousness as witnessed by his documented behavior is legend.Mr.
trump is many things but not one of those things represents righteousness in any
way shape or form whatsoever.
When the report comes out it will show just how much egg the left has on their
faces.Denny's called, they are running out of egg's.
Putin is laughing himself silly. Trump has so perfectly deflected
the Mueller Report. William Barr will be remembered in the history
Thid Barker - Victor, IDApril 15, 2019 11:59 a.m."What
needs to be done now is investigate who lied to FISA judges to begin the spying
and later the Mueller probe in the first place!"Is this the
latest noise blowing out of Fox News? When William Barr was asked what evidence
he had that there was "spying" on the Trump campaign, he said
"NO". Then he said he believed it unlike the officer of the court he is.
This is just another wingnut conspiracy to distract and protect Donald Trump
from what is now anticipated as a negative Mueller report. With the dancing and
celebration over, we have Trump starting up with the attacks and Fox joining in
with all the talking heads working overtime to protect him.It
appears that no one from Republican ranks understand what the FISA court is and
the how it works. If one is to submit to this nonsense of lies and distortion,
the whole nature of our justice system is corrupt, a notion that Trump and his
henchmen would like to maintain when it concerns the activities of those around
him. However, we have multiple indictments and convictions which provide
credible evidence that our system works and the conspiracy fanatics are wrong.
Trump has gone back and forth so many times on the Mullerreport calling it a
witch hunt for months then praising muller and his team for their great
intellegance last week to claiming it was written by 18 anger Democrates this
Thid Barker - Victor, IDApril 15, 2019 11:59 a.m."We
already know that the Mueller probe could find no evidence of Trump collusion or
obstruction. "We already know? You must know something I
don't know, and I consider myself well-informed? Maybe it's because
Donald Trump told you there was "complete exoneration". William Barr
wrote "no collusion", but he also wrote "no exoneration". Or did
you miss that?As to "no collusion", it appears that the key
phrase here is "insufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt." Not
the doubt of a partisan hack. This is a determination before a case is brought
to trial, when the prosecutor considers if his/her case is solid. Surely, we all
recognize that people like yourself would never convict Trump of anything
regardless of what he does and what the evidence is. It's like the white
juries in the South when a black man was on trial. The verdict is already
determined before the trial begins.When a majority of Americans
don't believe Trump should be president, it gets really weird when you make
such generalizations as "We already know". As I mentioned, Fox News
viewers think they know. Everyone else who is informed wants to see the report.
oldbasketball - Draper, UTApril 15, 2019 10:29 a.m."It
doesn't matter what the report shows. The democrats will cherry pick a few
words here and there and try to ride the dead horse for another year."It's not the Democrats who will make the decision. It will be the
American people being able to read the document themselves. Except for those who
don't want the Mueller report released to protect Donald Trump, it now
becomes a spin cycle to distract people from what they have read.William Barr cherry picked when he wrote his letter. Having the complete,
unredacted report should allow the electorate to read whole phrases and complete
sentences. You may not get it, but there's a lot coming in the next year.
Hold onto your seat."How can you obstruct justice when there
never was a crime to begin with."When you watch Fox News, you
don't learn about indictments and convictions coming out of the Mueller
investigation. Remember, it all started with Mike Flynn and Donald Trump trying
to get James Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn. If Comey had gone along
with Trump's request, Flynn would not have pleaded guilty for lying and
would not be facing a prison sentence.
Trump wigging out and having a complete meltdown about a report that he claims
completely exonerated him . . . maybe someone can explain that to me. You'd
think he'd be all excited about people finding out what a great law-abiding
citizen he always has been.Thursday should be a day of Trump
redemption and celebration, not Trump hiding under his bed or immediately
fleeing to the rehabilitative bosom of Sean Hannity.
Any law enforcement officer can tell you that there are times when evidence
available at a given moment in time may not be SUFFICIENT to prove guilt beyond
what is required by law.But that does not mean there was no
crime.It does not mean a person was exonerated.One prime
example here in Utah is the ongoing mystery surrounding the disappearance of
Susan Powell. There are certainly very few people here who doubt that her
husband -- and probably others in his family -- were responsible for the crime.
But there simply was NOT enough evidence available to make a case stick.Let's read the report. Even with redactions, we should still be
able to determine if trump was or was NOT "exonerated."
This release of the Mueller report is ending with a whisper, certainly not a
bang. It is expected that William Barr will redact most of the report to protect
Donald Trump from legal liability. However, Barr's efforts may not provide
the safety net Republicans want. The entire report will probably all come out
in the end. There is precedent, and the courts may not rule in Trump's
favor. Nonetheless, this may not be the fatal bullet Democrats hope. There is
much more going on with various U.S. attorneys and state attorney generals'
offices.Trump is again attacking the Mueller report after claiming
"complete exoneration" and dancing in the halls of the White House.
Robert Mueller provided the AG with his findings and no determination on his
part. Then the Barr's statement of "no exoneration" with regard to
obstruction of justice became the source of new anxiety. Now people are
demanding to see the complete report, unredacted and free of the AG's
political bias. They want to know what is being hidden.Thursday will
come and go and the House Judicial Committee will file its subpoena and
we'll see how things go. It's clear Trump's earlier victory
celebration was premature.
What is there to attack over? Trump already took his victory lap; there's
nothing in the report he didn't 'win'. Is there?
Trump supporters, if Hillary were being investigated, fired the original person
investigating her, and hand-picked the individual tasked with deciding what
information from the investigation gets released to Congress and the public, and
that hand-picked person *still* said the report does not exonerate Hillary,
would you take Hillary's word for it that the report 100% exonerates
her?If your answer is anything other than "no", you are not
The Trump haters in the media really do rely on anonymous sources, and officials
who speak on the condition of anonymity. Allows them to say pretty much
anything they want. If there is a source supporting what is being asserted in
the article, name the source. Otherwise, do not reference the information
supposedly provided by the source. Fair?
Let the report speak for itself. I for one don't need "talking
heads" to tell me what it means or how to think.
It is my understanding that the Attorney General cannot release the full report
as it would endanger people, and/or break the law. Privacy laws require certain
redactions. I think Democrats are getting ahead of their skis here. They
don't know that a redacted report will be inadequate. I think
most Americans believe Democrats are simply trying to unearth something else to
talk about for the next 2 years, dragging this out through the campaign. This
is what Republicans did to Hillary with Benghazi--numerous investigations,
dragging it out, creating an opinion before the campaign even began.Why would Democrats be upset if AG Barr were to try and protect the president
anyway. Eric Holder (Obama's "wingman) and Loretta Lynch did a very
fine job of protecting Obama. It appears Obama set the standard for future
AG's--to protect the president and bury scandal.
"We already know that the Mueller probe could find no evidence of Trump
collusion or obstruction."No "we" don't know that.
Besides, Barr's carefully parsed words said nothing of the kind. Then this: "Trump haters need to let the Russia collusion hoax
go".Our intelligence services, even those officials appointed by
the President, tell us that the Russians did interfere in our election and may
have caused electoral distortions based on their intensive use of propaganda on
social media. And probably aided/abetted Wikileaks in busting into the Clinton
servers as well. The only point of contention is the President's knowledge
of what the Russians were up to, and how beholden he might be to Putin in
financial matters.Trump lovers need to look reality in the face.
Face the fact that the President is probably guilty of criminality. And that
their support of him is inconsistent with their otherwise well considered
By definition, 'successful' obstruction of justice will prevent an
investigator from finding sufficient evidence to prosecute a suspected crime.
According to Trump/GOP's legal position, without prosecution of
the suspected crime, there can be no prosecution for the crime of obstruction of
justice.In otherwords, done right, obstruction works: it prevents
law-breakers from facing criminal consequences, even for efforts that
successfully subvert the justice system in order to 'exonerate' a true
law-breaker.According to this perverse legal theory, only those
suspects who are unsuccessful in their efforts at obstructing justice might be
in jeopardy of being prosecuted and convicted of a crime.While still
consistent with the Barr summary, the Mueller report may explain how and why the
Trump and team 'successfully' obstructed justice. Specifically,
Mueller may have found that but-for Trump's obstruction, investigators
would have found sufficient evidence to indict him for Russian conspiracy-based
crimes. But per DoJ/Barr rules, Trump could not even be cleanly prosecuted for
obstruction.Even by explaining how his hands are tied,
Mueller's findings may end up condemning Trump.
Trump haters need to let the Russia collusion hoax go. It didn't happen.
Even Mr. Rosenstein, who doesn't seem to be a Trump lover, stated recently
that AG Barr is “being as forthcoming as he can, and so this notion that
he’s trying to mislead people, I think is just completely bizarre,”
@thid barker: "JaneB: Actually we do know the Mueller probe found no
evidence of collusion!"Which version of reality do you
inhabit?In the reality I am most familiar with, Mueller's
report has not been released, Barr's 4-page summary does not say or imply
Mueller "found no evidence of collusion", the Sun rises in the East, the
season of Spring follows Winter, etc.
@Thid Barker"Actually we do know the Mueller probe found no evidence
of collusion! "Well... nothing rising to the level of
prosecution (though a sitting president can't be indicted anyway). After
all, Hillary was found to not have committed a crime in the email investigation
but the investigation found plenty to criticize so it's entirely possible
it could be a situation like that (it definitely is at least that for
obstruction seeing as the report says he wasn't exonerated).
"I don't need to see the details of the report. I know that our
President is a good and righteous Man. "Wow!It
simply boggles the mind to think that anyone who possesses ANY moral values
could write a thing like that.Especially if they claim to be a
Latter Day Saint.
Good.It would be nice if this move sets this mess behind us.But I'm afraid redactions may just add more problems if we are
unable to clearly understand it.Hopefully, though, it will be clear
enough to let us know just what happened and who may need to be held
JaneB: Actually we do know the Mueller probe found no evidence of collusion! If
AG Barr is lying don't you think Mueller would correct him? Is Mueller
lying as well? Really?
I guess it will be with plenty of black ink. We'll have to wait until
Trump leaves office to find out what was discovered.
Fred44-Your response to my comment makes no sense. Please don't tell me
what I am saying. What I did say was exactly what I meant and nothing else.
Both Trump and Barr have made it clear: the report completely exonerates our
President and his Campaign! I don't need to see the details of
the report. I know that our President is a good and righteous Man. He works
tirelessly to Make American Great Again.I trust our Leader. I wish
more American's would do the same.
Thid, we know no such thing. An unredacted report is required. The public
cannot make a sound judgment until all the facts are known.
We already know that the Mueller probe could find no evidence of Trump collusion
or obstruction. What needs to be done now is investigate who lied to FISA judges
to begin the spying and later the Mueller probe in the first place!
oldbasketball,So you are saying the Democrats will do what the
Attorney General did is his summary or whatever he is calling it now. Barr, has
shown that his a partisan hack just like most of the rest of Washington on both
sides of the aisle. His spying statement and his 4 page summary in 48 hours to
get the news cycle flowing the Presidents way and now finally after 4 weeks he
can put out his redacted version to people with a security clearance. I understand the concern that security clearances aren't that tough to
get these days, I mean look at the White House and how many were handed out.
But at least congress was elected by the people, so I understand their
clearances. They have also taken an oath, and should see the un-redacted
As a diversion, Trump will probably declare war on Luxembourg on Wednesday
This is kind of a joke now. The report is not really released until congress
gets the full report completely unredacted, and with full grand jury info, etc.
If there's nothing to hide, and Trump and co are innocent, then
there's nothing to worry about right? Getting harder and harder
to believe Barr is a reliable player, as we were promised he would be. He
released the bogus "summary" with his own conclusions, he does not
believe congress has a right to the report (they do), he accused the FBI of
spying, he declined to say whether Trump/co and seen report (obviously they
have, and he's giving them plenty of time to get their story straight.)
Sorry folks, Barr has moved into the suspect category. He can only be seen now
in the light of Trump enabler/protector. Not legit AG.
Expect a six page report this time. It will include photos of Trump and Barr
taking a victory lap together wearing MAGA hats. Following, Trump will give
Attorney General Barr his assignments for the 2020 election.Later in
the evening, Barr will deliver a speech in the White House entitled, “The
Independency of the Attorney General’s Office.”
It doesn't matter what the report shows. The democrats will cherry pick a
few words here and there and try to ride the dead horse for another year. How
can you obstruct justice when there never was a crime to begin with. This whole
nonsense was an investigation looking for a crime.