Cedar High School's new mascot? Reds

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  • Whoisthisreally slc, UT
    April 14, 2019 12:28 a.m.

    How SAD,
    Who has the right to change the name? Have any who originally selected the name even been contacted (if they are still available) ? If not, are their original wishes valued?
    Has the vast majority of alumni been contacted? What about the vast majority of current students?
    Who believes they have been represented?
    Appeals are most likely coming and even lawsuits.
    What was the original reasoning for selecting the original name?

  • Ocomeonow Sea Ranch, CA
    April 13, 2019 9:52 p.m.

    Surely the obvious choice would be Trees, as in The Cedar trees, although scientifically incorrect, which is in character with much thinking in the Beehive State.

  • anneok Richardson, TX
    April 13, 2019 8:52 p.m.

    The Iron County School board is about accountability. The central issue is simple: Board leadership has failed to act as the check and balance on their one employee, Superintendent Shannon Dulaney.

    Board members have done wonderful things for iron County in their tenure, and they are intelligent, respectable, good people. That does not make them effective board leaders at this juncture.

    Since employing Superintendent Dulaney, they have appeared either unable or unwilling to disagree with or challenge her decisions, despite public outcry and overwhelming negative feedback from teachers, students, parents and citizens. Effective leaders can admit when they have made mistakes, regretted decisions or changed their minds. Instead of discussing publicly where they could have done things differently, they have dug in their heels in support of a failing superintendent, who had the ability to stop the Redmen name change by rectifying her own missteps, but chose not to.

    This is not about criticizing people we disagree with. This is about recognizing failed leadership, and doing what we can to stop this runaway train from careening through our town, leaving ripple effects for years.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    April 13, 2019 11:09 a.m.

    What will be the mascot? A Red Robin, fox, horse, cow, fire hydrant, Corvette, rare steak, or a red clown nose? Are we actually going to pay a consultant just to give legitimacy to the final design? How about a psychologist to analyze the qualitative and quantitative aspects of the new design? “The team sought to honor tradition and ‘secure the future.’” How does any of this “secure” the future? Corporate double speak. By the way, I vote for the clown nose since it will honor the school board while securing a place for a little humor on campus for years to come.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    April 13, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    "Reds" is a good choice because it can also pay tribute to the other well-known heroes of thought control through language control: The Soviet Union "Reds", and the "Red Chinese".

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    April 13, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    Debhenlin- well, besides the obvious lack of "men" behind "red", there's a huge difference. It's the name of a baseball team in Cincinnati, but the concern to me is "reds" was a slang term for communists while I was growing up in the 70s and 80s.

    Certain teams use NA names and imagery with the tribes permissions. That's not always enough to keep the PC crowd satiated however. We were recently in the Smithsonian American Indian museum, I noticed a family looking at the Utes cheerleaders uniform they have on display and the mother was telling her children how horrific it was and how disrespectful our country is. I happened to be wearing my Ute Proud tshirt and spoke up and told them the truth of how the Ute leadership is honored to allow their name and the drum and feather logo for the U. Of course this didn't calm the lady, instead she said she would be firing off a letter to the Ute tribe, and the U letting them know how offensive it is! I think this speaks to the issue. Many people see offense where it's not warranted, nor meant, nor given. It's a classic case of think my way, or I'll make you.

  • Cedarmom Cedar City, UT
    April 13, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    On February 2, 2019 at CHS, a national organization, The Native American Guardians Association presented a thorough discussion of the Native American names and imagery in the U.S. They fully support proper use of these themes and Cedar has always done that. The message is Educate don't Eradicate pointing out the loss of these symbols in schools actually is detrimental to the Native American Population and their visibility. What the superintendent failed to mention is that she and her assistant director and the CHS Principal have been asked to resign by concerned members of the community because of the mishandling of the issue. The majority of the students, community and local N.A. population wanted to keep the name as was shown by a petition signed by 5,800 90% from Iron County in favor of keeping the name. The community wanted to put it to a vote but ICSD refused. The justification made for the change was bullying for which no reports have been filed as required by law.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 13, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    I can't believe how many people are actively fighting to keep a blatantly racist name on a public school. It blows my mind that this kind of thinking exists outside of a few people.

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    April 13, 2019 8:49 a.m.

    @1Voice
    Keep on fighting my fellow patriot. Its a good fight.

  • Rita B Herriman, UT
    April 13, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    "A petition to keep the name with 5,800 signatures was ignored."

    That petition did not report how many people saw it who did NOT sign it. I'm willing to bet it was many, many more than 5,800. The petition circulated in my Facebook feed for a while, and it mostly got mocked by my friends. A lot of alumni are very happy about the change.

  • Autumn Meadow South Jordan, UT
    April 13, 2019 7:51 a.m.

    It's sad, and a little bit amusing, to see how many people are irate about the change of a mascot. They are acting like there is overwhelming support for keeping the old mascot, but I know it's not true. I have a ton of friends and family in Cedar, and most of them favor the change. The current students overwhelmingly support the change because they recognize that the old one was racist. Residents of Cedar City have to be careful about voicing their opinions, though, because their neighbors who disagree with them are so, so very angry. Over a mascot. Even though they don't even go to the school anymore. Yeah.

  • debhenlin Washington, UT
    April 13, 2019 7:00 a.m.

    Is this actually a change in the mascot? How is “Reds” different than “Redmen”?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 13, 2019 6:27 a.m.

    For about forty years, Pekin IL High School was known as the "chinks". The origins of that racial slur are unknown, although it is said Pekin felt some strange affinity for Peking, China.

    Common sense prevailed in 1980 when they changed their name to the "dragons".

    Had they changed their name to the "chinamen", it could be said they duplicated what the folks in Cedar City have just done.

    "Reds" is still a racial slur.

  • KJDJ Hudson Oaks, TX
    April 12, 2019 10:41 p.m.

    My dad will tell you who he became in life was because of his upbringing in Cedar City. He loved the town and one of his highlights in life was being able to say he was at one time the Student Body President of the Cedar High School Redmen. I last saw dad on his 86th birthday on November 7th, 2016. He had talked to his lifelong friend Gerry Sherratt in June and Gerry informed him he was hearing rumblings of outside groups trying to change the Redmen name. Sherratt passed on July 8th. My dad made me promise that if indeed the name change was discussed I would not let it happen. I made him that promise. He passed a month later on December 6th. Who I am today is because of my dad. The man my dad became was because of his time as a Cedar High Redmen. Even though in Texas I have been doing everything possible to keep the Redmen name alive and my promise. The entire process was rigged. The committee the school district assigned included 24 people. Six were students. Of the remaining 18 , 12 reported indirectly or directly to the Superintendent Shannon Dulaney who writes their evaluations and determines their salary treatment. A petition to keep the name with 5,800 signatures was ignored.

  • 1voiceofmany Cedar City, UT
    April 12, 2019 9:34 p.m.

    Pugman, know that this fight is not over, it has just begun. Unfortunately there isn't any recourse citizens can take concerning the ICSB or ICSD, as of now. No appeal process, no referendum because the board/district is not well defined as to what type of governing body they are. No recall process in Utah, unless you committed a felony.
    We have formed a Political PAC, VOICE and drawn our plans to change all the aforementioned.
    REDMEN FOREVER!

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    April 12, 2019 8:39 p.m.

    Way to cave to political correctness.

  • Granny Saint George, UT
    April 12, 2019 5:33 p.m.

    From the superintendent's press release: The Cedar High community is well on its way to finding its own voice in this process, and the students feel empowered with opportunity to design a new mascot.

    Finding one's own voice and empowerment in this situation must be extremely frustrating for the thousands and thousands of students, community members, alumni and others who had this unfortunate issue forced upon them.

    I feel badly for those who didn't want this change. And that's saying a lot from an old Dixie Flyer!

    We also experienced this when Dixie College/State University was forced to abandon Dixie Rebels. Doesn't it just give us all the warm fuzzies to be to politically correct these days :)