How SAD, Who has the right to change the name? Have any who originally
selected the name even been contacted (if they are still available) ? If not,
are their original wishes valued? Has the vast majority of alumni been
contacted? What about the vast majority of current students? Who
believes they have been represented? Appeals are most likely coming and
even lawsuits. What was the original reasoning for selecting the
Surely the obvious choice would be Trees, as in The Cedar trees, although
scientifically incorrect, which is in character with much thinking in the
The Iron County School board is about accountability. The central issue is
simple: Board leadership has failed to act as the check and balance on their one
employee, Superintendent Shannon Dulaney.Board members have done
wonderful things for iron County in their tenure, and they are intelligent,
respectable, good people. That does not make them effective board leaders at
this juncture.Since employing Superintendent Dulaney, they have
appeared either unable or unwilling to disagree with or challenge her decisions,
despite public outcry and overwhelming negative feedback from teachers,
students, parents and citizens. Effective leaders can admit when they have made
mistakes, regretted decisions or changed their minds. Instead of discussing
publicly where they could have done things differently, they have dug in their
heels in support of a failing superintendent, who had the ability to stop the
Redmen name change by rectifying her own missteps, but chose not to.This is not about criticizing people we disagree with. This is about
recognizing failed leadership, and doing what we can to stop this runaway train
from careening through our town, leaving ripple effects for years.
What will be the mascot? A Red Robin, fox, horse, cow, fire hydrant, Corvette,
rare steak, or a red clown nose? Are we actually going to pay a consultant just
to give legitimacy to the final design? How about a psychologist to analyze the
qualitative and quantitative aspects of the new design? “The team sought
to honor tradition and ‘secure the future.’” How does any of
this “secure” the future? Corporate double speak. By the way, I vote
for the clown nose since it will honor the school board while securing a place
for a little humor on campus for years to come.
"Reds" is a good choice because it can also pay tribute to the other
well-known heroes of thought control through language control: The Soviet Union
"Reds", and the "Red Chinese".
Debhenlin- well, besides the obvious lack of "men" behind "red",
there's a huge difference. It's the name of a baseball team in
Cincinnati, but the concern to me is "reds" was a slang term for
communists while I was growing up in the 70s and 80s. Certain teams
use NA names and imagery with the tribes permissions. That's not always
enough to keep the PC crowd satiated however. We were recently in the
Smithsonian American Indian museum, I noticed a family looking at the Utes
cheerleaders uniform they have on display and the mother was telling her
children how horrific it was and how disrespectful our country is. I happened to
be wearing my Ute Proud tshirt and spoke up and told them the truth of how the
Ute leadership is honored to allow their name and the drum and feather logo for
the U. Of course this didn't calm the lady, instead she said she would be
firing off a letter to the Ute tribe, and the U letting them know how offensive
it is! I think this speaks to the issue. Many people see offense where
it's not warranted, nor meant, nor given. It's a classic case of think
my way, or I'll make you.
On February 2, 2019 at CHS, a national organization, The Native American
Guardians Association presented a thorough discussion of the Native American
names and imagery in the U.S. They fully support proper use of these themes and
Cedar has always done that. The message is Educate don't Eradicate
pointing out the loss of these symbols in schools actually is detrimental to the
Native American Population and their visibility. What the superintendent
failed to mention is that she and her assistant director and the CHS Principal
have been asked to resign by concerned members of the community because of the
mishandling of the issue. The majority of the students, community and local
N.A. population wanted to keep the name as was shown by a petition signed by
5,800 90% from Iron County in favor of keeping the name. The community wanted
to put it to a vote but ICSD refused. The justification made for the change was
bullying for which no reports have been filed as required by law.
I can't believe how many people are actively fighting to keep a blatantly
racist name on a public school. It blows my mind that this kind of thinking
exists outside of a few people.
@1VoiceKeep on fighting my fellow patriot. Its a good fight.
"A petition to keep the name with 5,800 signatures was ignored."That petition did not report how many people saw it who did NOT sign it.
I'm willing to bet it was many, many more than 5,800. The petition
circulated in my Facebook feed for a while, and it mostly got mocked by my
friends. A lot of alumni are very happy about the change.
It's sad, and a little bit amusing, to see how many people are irate about
the change of a mascot. They are acting like there is overwhelming support for
keeping the old mascot, but I know it's not true. I have a ton of friends
and family in Cedar, and most of them favor the change. The current students
overwhelmingly support the change because they recognize that the old one was
racist. Residents of Cedar City have to be careful about voicing their opinions,
though, because their neighbors who disagree with them are so, so very angry.
Over a mascot. Even though they don't even go to the school anymore. Yeah.
Is this actually a change in the mascot? How is “Reds” different
For about forty years, Pekin IL High School was known as the "chinks".
The origins of that racial slur are unknown, although it is said Pekin felt some
strange affinity for Peking, China.Common sense prevailed in 1980
when they changed their name to the "dragons".Had they
changed their name to the "chinamen", it could be said they duplicated
what the folks in Cedar City have just done."Reds" is still
a racial slur.
My dad will tell you who he became in life was because of his upbringing in
Cedar City. He loved the town and one of his highlights in life was being able
to say he was at one time the Student Body President of the Cedar High School
Redmen. I last saw dad on his 86th birthday on November 7th, 2016. He had talked
to his lifelong friend Gerry Sherratt in June and Gerry informed him he was
hearing rumblings of outside groups trying to change the Redmen name. Sherratt
passed on July 8th. My dad made me promise that if indeed the name change was
discussed I would not let it happen. I made him that promise. He passed a month
later on December 6th. Who I am today is because of my dad. The man my dad
became was because of his time as a Cedar High Redmen. Even though in Texas I
have been doing everything possible to keep the Redmen name alive and my
promise. The entire process was rigged. The committee the school district
assigned included 24 people. Six were students. Of the remaining 18 , 12
reported indirectly or directly to the Superintendent Shannon Dulaney who writes
their evaluations and determines their salary treatment. A petition to keep the
name with 5,800 signatures was ignored.
Pugman, know that this fight is not over, it has just begun. Unfortunately there
isn't any recourse citizens can take concerning the ICSB or ICSD, as of
now. No appeal process, no referendum because the board/district is not well
defined as to what type of governing body they are. No recall process in Utah,
unless you committed a felony.We have formed a Political PAC, VOICE and
drawn our plans to change all the aforementioned. REDMEN FOREVER!
Way to cave to political correctness.
From the superintendent's press release: The Cedar High community is well
on its way to finding its own voice in this process, and the students feel
empowered with opportunity to design a new mascot.Finding one's
own voice and empowerment in this situation must be extremely frustrating for
the thousands and thousands of students, community members, alumni and others
who had this unfortunate issue forced upon them. I feel badly for
those who didn't want this change. And that's saying a lot from an
old Dixie Flyer! We also experienced this when Dixie College/State
University was forced to abandon Dixie Rebels. Doesn't it just give us all
the warm fuzzies to be to politically correct these days :)