Family apologizes for 'horrible events' that led to Utah man's dramatic shooting death

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  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    April 13, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    "But look at a bigger picture: In 2018, NYC had over 2,200 murders. London had 47. Visit any fact checking website for the truth."

    You need to find a better "fact checking" website. According to virtually every media outlet that pops up on Google, from the Wall Street Journal to the New York Times, NYC had only 289 murders in 2018, the lowest number in decades.

    And according to that bastion of right-wing thought, The Guardian, London had a total of 135 murders in 2018, not 47.

  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    April 13, 2019 8:09 a.m.

    "I'd like to know how had had access to an AR-15 given his mental health, and why in the world the Utah Legislature hasn't acted before to keep these unnecessary weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill."

    Um, because they already did it some 50 years ago?

    UCA 76-10-503(b):

    (b)A Category II restricted person is a person who:
    (v)has been found not guilty by reason of insanity for a felony offense;
    (vi)has been found mentally incompetent to stand trial for a felony offense;
    (vii) has been adjudicated as mentally defective as provided in the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub. L. No. 103-159, 107 Stat. 1536 (1993), or has been committed to a mental institution

    Persons who have been adjudicated as mentally ill are not eligible to own firearms and have not been for over half a century now, both in Utah and the US as a whole. Stop spreading anti-gun propaganda.

  • Roberts from Sandy Sandy, UT
    April 12, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    Dear Brave Sir Robin,
    You beat me to it!
    Thank you for correcting those reported "facts". I noticed you didn't bring up the Scandinavian countries, all of western Europe, Japan or Canada.
    We, the US, right now are sandwiched between Guatemala and Bolivia regarding per capita gun deaths. Japan, 130,000,000 , has around 2-3 deaths/yr!
    I'm tired of constitutionalists constantly referring to the second amendment. First of all, it was an amendment, which implies our constitution was in error or incomplete. Secondly, this same constitution gave black men the value of 3/4 of another man. Women weren't given the right to vote. Native Americans lands were claimed under "manifest destiny" and no reparations were made other than the continued subsidization of a chronic, nearly inescapable welfare state.
    Gun ownership is not "God given" and it is indisputable that people and countries that own guns/have higher per capita ownership are more likely to die by them. Indisputable.
    Arming teachers... when was/will that ever be a good idea? It is a symptom of a diseased society. America is an incredible country, but don't pretend that we, or our constitution is infallible or indelibly exceptional.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    April 12, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    Black Lives Matter shouldn't be entering into this debate/discussion/issue.

    Some family members didn't want their statement released, but it was...apparently by the mother—who should probably have the final "say."

    I'm so sorry for their collective loss and the struggles that all of they have most assuredly endured while this individual had his issues.

    Mostly, I'm sorry for the family whose business has been devastated by the actions of the deceased. I hope the SLC community can rally around the business owner and his family and help rebuild the business with donations in the form of cash, labor and materials.

    Perhaps the deceased's family could join in this effort. Everyone on both "sides" may benefit.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 12, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    @IJ

    "And people in those countries are under control; there are no homicides, burgleries, or other violent acts."

    Not with guns there aren't

    "Oh! Wait! Let's ask New Zealand;"

    Even with that mass shooting, New Zealand had less gun deaths in the last 15 years than we have every week.

    "London has more murders than NYC - only they are using knives."

    This stat is a complete lie spread by the right. The lie stems from one month (March 2017) where London had 22 murders compared to 18 in NYC. But look at a bigger picture: In 2018, NYC had over 2,200 murders. London had 47. Visit any fact checking website for the truth.

    "Folks, it's not the instrument."

    The instrument is part of it. There's a reason missiles and grenades are illegal for civilians to own. Or do you want to legalize those too?

    "They hate the constitution and that (2nd Ammendment) is the place to start."

    No, it's because we love the constitution and we understand that for it to continue being a great document, it has to be changed now and then. There's a reason the Founding Fathers put in a mechanism for it to be changed.

  • water rocket , 00
    April 12, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    Several thoughts come to mind:
    1) I offer my condolences and respect to the mother and family members who offered this statement of apology. It must have been very difficult.
    2) What led to this man's "mental illness" in the first place? Was he, or had he ever been on drugs? Just asking, as the answer could help someone else starting down the same road.
    3) The article states that he HAD received mental health treatment recently, and was released. So was he given a prescription that he didn't stay on?
    4) How in the world does a person with "mental" issues get a hold of an assault rifle?
    5) How does a person with "mental" issues have a driver's license and a vehicle?
    6) The question has been asked about why the police, or some other government agency didn't help more. I suppose that the obvious fact that you can't help anyone if they don't want help has never occurred to many of us?

    All lives matter, no matter what race, religion, gender or any other matrix you apply. No person is an island unto themselves. All those who knew this man have been affected. Please know that there are so many of us who understand this, and are truly saddened by your situation.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    April 12, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    I agree with the post made by IJ from Hyrum.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    April 12, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    I came here to express my sympathy and admiration to the family, which I do. I express my sympathy to the police who had to take the action they did.

    I did not want to make this a gun forum, but as some just cannot help but spew disdain for our constitution, I must offer rebuttal.

    "The only way to keep guns out of the wrong hands is to keep them out of *all* hands. And that has been proven to work in dozens of other countries."

    And people in those countries are under control; there are no homicides, burgleries, or other violent acts. Oh! Wait! Let's ask New Zealand; London has more murders than NYC - only they are using knives. Folks, it's not the instrument. And when it comes time to protect every other freedom they won't be able to. Liberals want our guns so they can restrict every other freedom. They hate the constitution and that (2nd Ammendment) is the place to start.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 12, 2019 11:48 a.m.

    @some guy Aaron

    "If they pass laws making it against the law for people to have guns, do you really think that criminals are not going to have them?"

    Uh, yeah, that's exactly how it works. That's why criminals can't easily get guns in the UK, Australia, Sweden, and many other countries. Law-abiding citizens don't have guns, therefore guns don't fall into the wrong hands.

    Any legally-owned gun is a potential illegally-used gun, if the legal owner loses it, sells it to the wrong person, or has a mental breakdown.

    The only way to keep guns out of the wrong hands is to keep them out of *all* hands. And that has been proven to work in dozens of other countries.

  • CWR Live Oak, CA
    April 12, 2019 10:47 a.m.

    Most of the time when a person passes on, human emotions are shocked. I pray for peace for all involved. The inward peace that only comes from our Savior.

  • someguyaaron , 00
    April 12, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    This is a sad story for so many people. It has brought a lot of pain to so many including the family of the shooter, the police officers and everyone involved in anyway!
    Buy to try to bring anything about gun control into the conversation is just not right. If they pass laws making it against the law for people to have guns, do you really think that criminals are not going to have them?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 12, 2019 10:17 a.m.

    @east coast coug

    "In addition to this apology, I'd like to know how had had access to an AR-15 given his mental health, and why in the world the Utah Legislature hasn't acted before to keep these unnecessary weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill."

    Because it's impossible to keep mentally ill/evil people from obtaining guns. It's far easier to control the existence of guns themselves than the people obtaining them. Controlling guns is exactly what rational people want to do.

  • lindaj72 SF, CA
    April 12, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    There isn't enough space to tell the story of my son and I and our journey through the medical and mental system. There are too many barriers for those who lack money. Fortunately, however, through a series of events and an altercation which led to Valley Mental Health, and now 8 years in mental health care, he is doing well. It still isn't easy but it is doable. As a parent, I say don't ever give up, and look for answers everywhere even if it doesn't seem a possible path, just keep trying. I grew up very shy and retiring. Through our experience I have learned to be pushy with I need to be. I do not sit silent anymore, and it has paid off. Until our government seriously addresses mental illness, things like this are going to continue and grow worse. With good health care, both mental and physical, a lot of this country's woes could solved.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 12, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    @ eastcoastcoug and FT

    "No where in the story does it say how the individual who is suffering from
    Mental illness got fire arms. As a society we need to look at these issues and have the courage to take steps from making it difficult if not impossible from people like this getting access to guns."

    It has been illegal for mentally ill to purchase firearms since 1968 under federal law and nearly as long as under Utah law. The problem is that no one wants to declare people mentally ill to trigger the ban, unless they are formally adjudicated in court proceedings. This is not a lack of "gun control laws" but a lack of control of mentally ill people.

    In addition this man was a convicted felon (on a previous weapons offense) and therefore illegal to possess or purchase any firearm or ammunition, again under laws in effect since at least 1968.

    The problem is that criminals do not obey laws. They can be prosecuted for breaking the law, but mere passage of a law does not prevent criminals from breaking them. Enforce existing laws.

    We should commend the grieving family for their thoughtful and difficult statement.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    April 12, 2019 9:21 a.m.

    Just recently. I was driving through a burger place to order some food. While waiting in the drive through, I noticed a disheveled man who was very disoriented. He was screaming at the top of his lungs the most vile names, at someone who nobody else could see. I had seen this before, but not from so close to my person. It was frightening. I am sure this poor soul was in desperate need of medication from what appeared to be schizophrenia.
    Once again, he was probably a result of cutbacks in funding for clinics that used to handle these patients.
    I feel awful for the family.

  • gkurt ,
    April 12, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    That figures. A family who has every right to decry the lack of mental health resources to assist them in controlling their very ill son is the one who apologizes. A chilling sign-of-the-times is how many other families, whose sons are instead well able to control their criminal impulses yet choose not to and so end up dead via police shooting, lash out at our underpaid, highly stressed police force(s). What a bittersweet thing to consider: that only the meager support provided their son by this family may have very well prevented a far more horrible outcome, as he may have otherwise descended to a more well-planned--and deadly--path.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    April 12, 2019 7:52 a.m.

    @eastcoastcoug

    There is no need for you to worry about us out here, focus on Connecticut (the state that produces more firearms per capita than any other).

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 12, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    No where in the story does it say how the individual who is suffering from
    Mental illness got fire arms. As a society we need to look at these issues and have the courage to take steps from making it difficult if not impossible from people like this getting access to guns.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2019 6:24 a.m.

    This tragic event highlights the difficulty mental health professionals have in identifying those at high risk of injuring themselves or others. Deciding between involuntary commitment and personal liberty is still uncertain territory. Society tends to err on the side of individual freedom and we pay a price.

  • Scott1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2019 12:55 a.m.

    My utmost respect to this family. What a refreshing response by them. So much better than those looking to take zero responsibility, nitpick the police, and hire an attorney.

  • busy ant West Jordan, UT
    April 12, 2019 12:43 a.m.

    Getting professional help for mental illness is a good idea. It can be expensive and not always within the reach of the family.
    While police do not have expertise in handling mental illness, they do have skill sets to help when folks shoot up the town. Don't do that.
    I do feel badly for the family and wish them peace.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    April 11, 2019 11:20 p.m.

    In addition to this apology, I'd like to know how had had access to an AR-15 given his mental health, and why in the world the Utah Legislature hasn't acted before to keep these unnecessary weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill.

  • Seek to understand Sandy, UT
    April 11, 2019 10:22 p.m.

    Families need to be able to get mental health help for their loved ones in a crisis more easily. When you have an adult child that exhibits paranoia or delusions, there needs to be a way to have them committed for a period of time until they have had a full evaluation and treatment for long enough to stabilize (which can be weeks to months) and not involve law enforcement. The communities would be safer if there were better ways to get help in a crisis situation rather than calling the police - this isn't really their area of expertise.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    April 11, 2019 10:10 p.m.

    I too admire the courageous act of apology. The family is mourning a terrible loss, yet expressing a desire to explain the circumstances for better understanding. I hope they know they are in many prayers. I hope there will also be efforts to help them through this tragedy.

    I once worked in the behavioral science field, and I think the need for better care for the mentally ill is desperately needed. I think we would also have better overall health, physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually if we ate more nutritious food, worked on family stability and made greater effort to support each other at home and in our communities, to name a few of our needs. I hope I will remember in the morning to let my family, in many places, know how much each members means to me. Our modern tech should help us do this every day.

  • Trigger529 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2019 9:31 p.m.

    I admire the courage and bravery of this mother and family in making this statement and pray for their comfort and well being at this very trying time.