Vaccination exemptions are under fire as the measles outbreak grows nationwide. Here's what you need to know

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 15, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    I've talked to four retired doctors with each having over forty years experience.

    None have ever seen bad results from vaccinations. Some patients experienced redness/soreness or low grade fever.

    I'll take the advice of expeirenced doctors over low information people.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    April 12, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    @Brent Garner and other anti vaxxers

    The CDC recorded a study that after over 7.6 million doses of MMR were distributed there were 5 cases of potential anaphylaxis of which ZERO ended in a result of death.

    Comparatively speaking of the infants who contract measles 1 in 20 will develop pneumonia, 1 in 1000 will suffer hearing, speech or brain disability, and 2 out of 1000 will die.

    @Mainly Me
    The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System isn't scientific or regulated anyone can report anything into it. All you need to do is download a form and say you died from a vaccine. And I'm not sure what you are talking about about 100,000 people every year die from measles. Down from 2.6 million in 1980. Even if the VAERS is 100% accurate you have 108 compared to 100,000.

  • zahnbub Buffalo, WY
    April 12, 2019 9:48 a.m.

    Hey "SorryNotSorry", I appreciate the personal freedom side of the argument, but we're not talking about your personal freedom.

    "Never let the government mandate that you put anything in your body. EVER."

    What about food and water? Does the government mandate that you put food and water in your body? No. Can the government mandate that you put food and water in the body of your kid? Absolutely. Adults have the right to act foolishly on their own behalf, not on the rights of others.

    As to those claiming that the article is biased to one side of the "argument" because of your Google "research" or because of experts "Dr. X, Dr. Y and Dr. Z"... This is ridiculous. Not every argument has a valid counterpoint. If there are literally thousands of scientists/researchers on one side of the argument and a few dozen on the other side, do they really deserve equal footing. If that were the case, every time there is an article about air travel or geography, they would have to have a representative from the "Flat Earth Society" so that a counterpoint could be given as to how it is impossible to fly around a non-existent globe.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    April 12, 2019 7:00 a.m.

    I fully vaccinated my children. Back then they had about 15 vaccines from birth to 4 years old. However today from birth to 4 years old they have 53 vaccines. My youngest daughter started to do nursing at age 16 and needed her serology investigated to see what she was immune to. It turns out she had no immunization against the measles but had been fully vaccinated against it. I did some research and found that the vaccines are only effective for 3-5 years and the real efficacy rate of the vaccines is more like 40%

    I also did more research and found articles that were written by a neurologist and he declared that every MMR vaccine causes every babies brain to swell (encephalitis). However depending on the child's nutrition, DNA, toxic exposure and neurotoxins level will determine the effect it will have on their brain. He stated that every child receives brain damage, some minor or virtually unnoticeable and others can develop autism.

    In addition to this, the much more affluent in society are able to receive inoculations with no neurotoxins in them. That is no formaldehyde, no aluminum, no mercury, no human bovine, no rancid oils, no green monkey cells, no MSG etc, etc.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    April 12, 2019 6:51 a.m.

    Why do people who oppose quarantines for AIDS or HepC demand such draconian policies for measles vaccines?

    Kick a perfectly healthy kid out of school for not being vaccinated against measles, but any suggestion on legal limits for a person actually infected with AIDS or HepC would be bigoted? Politics and political correctness over any sense of consistency.

    Get vaccinated, then don't worry about whether others are vaccinated or not.

  • Bundysupporter Park City, UT
    April 12, 2019 12:27 a.m.

    Watch the documentary called "vaxxed" before vaccinating. Weigh the evidence and make your own decision.

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    April 11, 2019 11:13 p.m.

    For you liberal, abortion supporting commenters that are anti-choice, just think about that, for ONE SECOND.

    For you flag waving FREEDOM loving “conservatives”, think about that for one second.

    This is the pattern folks, the government tells you about some “big bad” to rile you up.

    Germans, Japanese, Soviets, North Koreans, Vietnamese, More Soviets, Iranians, Iraqi’s, Al-qaeda, Saddam, TalibÁn, Isis, Russians again, Chinese, illegals, Anti-Vaxxers, Kim Jong Un, Trump, and so forth.

    There’s always an enemy you should be afraid of while a big pharmaceutical or big military takes the money to the bank!

    Wake up folks! Never let the government mandate that you put anything in your body. EVER.

    And I know enough families that have experienced an adverse reaction to a vaccine.

    Freedom people. Freedom.

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  • Smart Cookie Kissimmee, FL
    April 11, 2019 11:30 a.m.

    @Musel I know whatever I say will not change your mind. My hope is that others who are on the fence about vaccinations and their safety will not do the same "research" you have done to come to their conclusions about vaccinating their children.

    Let's learn about VAERS the Government is not trying to hide anything there it is public record. Vaccines like any medical intervention, or like living is not 100% safe and effective, but they are safe and effective. True studies have been done, like a recently published study out of Denmark (by the way not the CDC) of 657,000 children. There are many more like it.
    What really got me though is the sexually transmitted disease vaccine on day one. I'm going to assume you are talking about Hep B which is actually a bloodborne pathogen. My son was accidentally stuck by a needle a few weeks after birth in the hospital. At that point I was glad to know he was vaccinated against this deadly disease.

    I'm sorry for your ignorance and refusal to learn about science from real scientists, like Dr. Paul Offit. Hopefully we will learn to trust science and we won't have to suffer from these diseases that were once almost eradicated.

  • Musel Burlington, KY
    April 11, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    Thank goodness as members of the Church of Jesus Christ we believe in personal agency and personal revelation. We can choose for ourselves and our children what medical procedures and medications we will partake of or not. Please I anguish over this need to protect our freedom to say yes or no to one or several or all vaccines. Although with outlandish articles like this leaving out and overlooking much research and data, it is almost impossible for a mother to learn the true risk/ benefit from a vaccine. Lois please report on the Rest of the Story; please write an article about the hazards, the ineffectiveness, the potential adverse reactions. Please look into the Vaccine Adverse Reports and payment of 4 billion dollars to families because of serious vaccine outcomes or deaths. There are serious risks with each vaccine.
    Maybe your newborn does not need a sexually transmitted disease vaccine on day one.
    Please check out Physicians for Informed Consent and the more accurate resources and statistics. Moms need to know that far far more adverse reactions and deaths come by way of the measles vaccine than measles. Getting the vaccines might even hurt herd immunity more than not. Read.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    eigerjoe - Sandy, UT
    "I have few questions:

    Firstly, I don't understand why people who are vaccinated are so worried about those who aren't vaccinated? Vaccinated people should be safe and in no danger of contracting the disease - right? If vaccinated people are safe, why can't those choosing to not vaccinate be allowed decide for themselves?"

    Answer: Some persons are not able to be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. In addition, the cost to society of preventable infectious diseases is borne by all, not just vax deniers.

    The questions 2-5 can be answered by a fact check.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    April 10, 2019 8:31 p.m.

    the health of the public should be the #1 concern.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2019 4:58 p.m.

    Stanton - Spokane, WA

    "The anti-vacc movement is interesting. They tend to be those who are seeking extreme freedom from government while protecting religious liberty."

    Not so. The worst outbreaks have been in states that traditionally vote to the left, including Washington state. Most of the posted negative comments are from government conspiracy theorists and those whose primary source of information is spurious internet articles that have nothing to do with religion. The anti-vaxxers come from a wide variety of mal-informed persons.

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 10, 2019 3:56 p.m.

    @Brent Garner

    "Further, if you go check the number of proven vaccine related injuries/deaths, you will realize that you are at greater danger today of being harmed by the vaccine than you are by the disease." - FALSE

  • Smart Cookie Kissimmee, FL
    April 10, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    @Mainly Me; except according to the CDC the last measles death in the United States occurred in 2015. This was confirmed through an autopsy

    As for those of you who say you survived xyz disease when you were young so it is not deadly; according to that logic since 12 Million People served in WWII for the United States and only 670,000 died. That means over 11 Million people did not die in WWII. War is not deadly. Everyone I know who served in WWII survived.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    "Last year there were 82,596 cases in Europe with 72 deaths." What other problem the EU has, illegal immigrants from countries were the people are not vaccinated.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    Anti-Vaccers taking us back to the 1920's

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    “No public schools (including universities), no driver's license, no visas, no passports, no paychecks, no city services (gas/electricity/etc.), no use of anything official in society, no mortgages, no bank accounts, no college loans, etc., without vaccinations or without an approved doctor exemption (not parental).”

    Can you say Chinese social credit system, Russian, Chinese, North Korean style concentration camps.

    Thank you Susan Quinton for some actual facts. “The CDC has stated that the outbreaks are not connected to vaccine refusal communities or parents, but has informed us the majority of outbreaks are coming from travelers from three countries- the Philippines, Israel, and Somalia. They do not include statistics on the border and illegal immigrants.”

    Boarder wall and legal asylum and legal immigration. Hold them at the border until they have the vaccines and are disease free. Build the wall. Posters have just told us a very good reason to build the wall.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    “You want to "opt out"? Fine. Then the rest of society has the responsibility to opt out of letting your disease carrying kid in public schools and other public gatherings. The world has spent centuries eradicating decimating diseases. We don't need epidemics returning due to science denying or ignorant parents.”

    You make a great point for blocking illegals from entering our country. One of the purposes of Ellis Island was to hold immigrants to determine if they were disease free. Now ICE is required to release illegals into the country without being vaccinated and carrying diseases. TB has been reintroduced in our country by the illegals.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 10, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Anti-Vaxers can have their own Charter School. Keep their kids away from my grand kids.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    Post 2 of 2

    @eigerjoe asks: "When did these diseases become so dangerous?"

    Do a little research into the mortality rates and residual effects of encephalitis as well as effects on the unborn and immune-system compromised. Please don't end with "My generation wasn't concerned." Yes they were. That is why they helped create an effective vaccine. That is why they worked to get it applied almost universally. That is how they wiped out the disease in the USA. Your generation was indeed "concerned."

    @eigerjoe asks: "How many people contracting the disease where previously vaccinated? How effect (sic) are the vaccines?"

    Most vaccinated subjects are "hardened" to the disease. A small minority are not. When the herd is vaccinated, those with softer immune response are protected because the disease cannot spread. When a substantial minority refuses to vaccinate, they put themselves AND others at risk.

    @eigerjoe asks: "With the government's past history of telling us things are safe or effective when in my opinion they weren't, are we wise to trust them now?"

    Trust the science. The evidence is in. Has been since the days of Ben Franklin. Vaccinations work.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    April 10, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    When I was 8 years old I had measles, its not something that parents want to expose their children to. When I was a little older a family in our ward had 2 children who came down with polio, one died and the other was crippled for the rest of his life. When immunization is available it is dangerous and foolishness not to do so.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    The media and individuals should do some homework on vaccines before parroting the FDA. The FDA gave us HRT which caused cancer, strokes and heart disease. They stopped the study after 6,000-8000 women were affected. The FDA gave us NSAIDS the wonder pain killers which have caused strokes, heart attacks, and ulcers. The FDA gave us Opiates and now warn about their dangers. Why are we so trusting of the FDA when it comes to vaccines?

    Go online people and do some research. You can find FDA suppressed studies about the harm that vaccines do. The preservatives used in vaccines are not safe for the developing brain of babies. It is insanity to give multiple vaccines in one shot. Slow down the rate of vaccination and demand that one vaccine be given at a time.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    People refusing to take proper preventative measures to prevent spread of a known deadly disease should be sanctioned and ostracized ?

    Why didn't we think of that to curb the AIDS epidemic?

  • Susan Quinton Draper, UT
    April 10, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    All of the following information is from the CDC and NIH websites. Since the CDC declared the US free of measles in 2000, we have had measles outbreaks every year starting in 2005. In 2014 the total infected was 667, and the highest count of previously vaccinated. This year so far we have had 465 and of those, 31 were unvaccinated (including partially vaccinated adults missing boosters). The government considers an outbreak to be three or more people. The head of the CDC has stated that the outbreaks are not connected to vaccine refusal communities or parents, but has informed us the majority of outbreaks are coming from travelers from three countries- the Philippines, Israel, and Somalia. They do not include statistics on the border and illegal immigrants. Utah is not one of the states involved in these outbreaks. The NIH says these live virus vaccines should not be given together- MMR, MMRV, Yellow Fever, and Influenza (administered at least 4 weeks apart). The CDC also states that the deaths overseas were from pneumonia after a measles infection, not measles itself. And lastly, there have been no measles deaths or severe side effects in the US during this outbreak.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    April 10, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    The solution is easy.

    No public schools (including universities), no driver's license, no visas, no passports, no paychecks, no city services (gas/electricity/etc.), no use of anything offical in society, no mortgages, no bank accounts, no college loans, etc., without vaccinations or without an approved doctor exemption (not parental).

    You want to go live in the desert? Fine.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 10, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    You want to "opt out"? Fine. Then the rest of society has the responsibility to opt out of letting your disease carrying kid in public schools and other public gatherings. The world has spent centuries eradicating decimating diseases. We don't need epidemics returning due to science denying or ignorant parents.

  • Jonsur Cibolo, TX
    April 10, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    It's unfortunate that so many people have forgotten that measles was eradicated from the Americas in the early 2000s. It's also unfortunate that people who are ignorant of immunology and virology are dismissing the threat poised by measles. Measles hitches a ride on a white blood cell to a lymph node, it attacks white blood cells in the lymph node, including B and T memory cells, and can kill those B and T memory cell resulting in people losing their immunity to certain diseases. It can then use the lymphatic system to move across the body causing a systemic infection which can wreak chaos on our body and even kill the infected individual. It is something that too many people are taking way too lightly.

  • Autumn Meadow South Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    One more thing - measles in pregnant women who are not vaccinated or not immune often leads to miscarriage. The vaccine is 97% effective, which means that some women (3%) who have gotten the vaccine do not mount the expected immune response, and they are unprotected. If we really value those unborn babies, we should do everything possible to protect them. That includes getting vaccinated so that herd immunity will protect those whose immune systems can't fight off measles.

  • eigerjoe Sandy, UT
    April 10, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    I have few questions:

    Firstly, I don't understand why people who are vaccinated are so worried about those who aren't vaccinated? Vaccinated people should be safe and in no danger of contracting the disease - right? If vaccinated people are safe, why can't those choosing to not vaccinate be allowed decide for themselves?

    Secondly, are the people bring these diseases into our country here illegally?

    Thirdly, when did these diseases become so dangerous? My generation certainly wasn't that concerned about them.

    Fourthly, I wonder how many people contracting the disease where previously vaccinated? How effect are the vaccines?

    Fifthly, with the government's past history of telling us things are safe or effective when in my opinion they weren't, are we wise to trust them now?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 10, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    For whatever its worth.

    In the past few weeks, I have talked to four retired doctors each having more than forty years of experience.

    Non of them can recall any terribly bad effects of vaccinations.

    I'll take their word for it rather than a low information person.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 10, 2019 10:04 a.m.

    I grew up with a kid who had Polio.

    He had visible challenges in life that he would not otherwise have been able to conquer.

    (Do I have the mindset right, anti-vaxxers?)

  • Stanton Spokane, WA
    April 10, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    The anti-vacc movement is interesting. They tend to be those who are seeking extreme freedom from government while protecting religious liberty. So, I wonder regardless whether it is a "religious" exemption, does the government have the right to mandate you do something (i.e., vaccinate) with your body (or kids)? The compelling reason for government intervention should be to protect others. So, is there any reason that such diseases (like measles) spreads more rapidly if someone isn't vaccinated? I don't believe so. Admittedly, I may be wrong in this assumption. So, should parents have the right to make poor choices for their own health and for that of their children by not getting vaccinated? I believe "yes" although I feel very saddened that those children are growing up with parents making such poor choices. Alternatively, if the choice to not vaccinate children causes others to have increased susceptibility to the disease or other negative effects on society, then government should be empowered to require vaccinations. I don't see any reason not to vaccinate and am thankful such vaccinations exist.

  • Autumn Meadow South Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    Tens of thousands of people die every year from measles. This is not a harmless disease.

    Some people argue that these deaths only happen in countries where malnutrition is rampant. But in wealthy countries, 1 in 5,000 who contract measles die from the disease. 1 in 1,500 get encephalitis resulting in brain damage. 1 in 16 get pneumonia. 1 in 12 get ear infections, and many of those result in deafness. These problems are going to happen in our country this year if this outbreak doesn't get under control.

    Sure, lots of people who get measles recover from it without problems. But a lot don't, and it would be selfish of me to not participate in the solution for all this suffering, especially when it is so easy.

  • Robert Kuesterman West Valley City, UT
    April 10, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    About 0.2 percent of measles cases result in death. The death rate is as high as 10 percent among malnourished people.

    Measles suppresses the immune system and people may be subject to infection months later.

    It also can cause non-fatal side effects including permanent brain damage.

    Last year there were 82,596 cases in Europe with 72 deaths.

    In the 1980s, measles killed nearly 2.6 million people a year worldwide. It still kills about 100,000 a year.

    ".... according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, 108 people have died from the vaccine." No. There were reports, by family members, friends -- basically anyone -- of people dying after being immunized. Some had pre-existing conditions. Some died in accidents. Examination of the reports found no causal relationship between the vaccination and the deaths.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2019 9:03 a.m.

    Anecdotal reports, e.g. I had measles with no problems, are not the basis for public health policy. Before 1963 when immunization was widely implemented there were 500,000 cases of measles per year with 450-500 deaths and 1000 cases of measles encephalitis which usually results in permanent brain damage. It was an important cause of infant mortality and is more dangerous in those younger than 5 years or older than 20. Immunization is the answer and denying it to loved ones is unconscionable.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    April 10, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    Weird.
    I have had measles.
    Virtually every kid in my generation got measles and survived.

    Yet somehow it is now a deadly epidemic that can unhinge our nation?

  • BobP CA, 00
    April 10, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    I am now 79. When I was pre-school my mother arranged for me to spend the night with families where the kids has measles, mumps and etc. I got them all and didn't miss school.

    I guess it is an early form of vaccination.

  • neece Hyde Park, UT
    April 10, 2019 8:08 a.m.

    There is NO medical proof that immunizations cause danger to children who have them. I do not think you should be allowed in public places especially schools with out being immunized. Measles were Irradiated! ... That is until people stopped because of irrational fears. Now ALL our children are in danger because of this. I for one think there has got to be something done.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    April 10, 2019 8:08 a.m.

    "While most people who get measles will be miserable for a time and then recover, the disease sometimes kills, especially very young children."

    Ha! According to the CDC, nobody has died from the measles in over 10 years. However, according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, 108 people have died from the vaccine.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2019 8:01 a.m.

    The only reason some anti-vaxxers are even sucking air, is because previous generations controlled or eradicated smallpox, polio, diphtheria, typhus, and a plethora of others -- with vaccines.

  • zeep Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 10, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    Are people dying from this measles outbreak? If not, then let's deal with an outbreak of something that is killing people. Stop the panic!

  • Brent Garner Idaho Falls, ID
    April 10, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    The headlines read "400 cases of measles; surge expected" and other dire words. Let's approach this rationally if we will. Four hundred or even 800 cases of measles nationwide in a country of nearly 330 million is hardly cause for alarm and definitely not a reason to engage in the fear mongering that government and media are doing. Further, if you go check the number of proven vaccine related injuries/deaths, you will realize that you are at greater danger today of being harmed by the vaccine than you are by the disease. All of this scare mongering is just another effort to pass laws and implement rules that give government more and more control and, as a nice side benefit, line the pockets of the vaccine makers. Oh, and while you're looking, check the efficacy period for the vaccine. Its five years or less, so the promise of vaccines granting immunity is a lie.

  • mominthetrenches South Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2019 7:12 a.m.

    Great article! I am grateful our entire family is vaccinated. Modern medicine is a blessing, and so are our public schools. It's sad that kids miss out on both preventive health and education by not getting vaccinated. This is something we do as humanitarian aid, in impoverished countries, to help keep disease from spreading and to improve basic literacy skills, people!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 10, 2019 6:31 a.m.

    Sorry folks.

    Dont want to vaccinate your kids? That is a shame. But, No public school without verified vaccines. Period.

    Strict medical exemptions only. No exemptions for religious or personal beliefs.

    Period

    Unfortunately we sometimes need a nanny government to protect people from their unfounded and irrational actions for the greater good of society.

    Read the Real literature and educate yourself. It's not that hard.

    If you only seek out sources that reinforce your beliefs then your beliefs will be reinforced.
    That goes for religion and politics also.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 10, 2019 6:24 a.m.

    Anti-vaccination people, you're killing us! Literally!