In our opinion: On American values, ask yourself 'Why are we doing what we're doing?'

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  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2019 9:39 a.m.

    "Get the federal government--including courts--out of most decisions and respect local diversity. Then, vote with your feet. Gambling, prostitution, marriage, alcohol and other drugs, medical care, welfare, and education should all be under local control. Then, live where the culture suits you."

    Here's where I personally, and probably the left in general disagree with you. The United States is not in reality a patchwork quilt of 50 individual cultures, and economies.

    How does a society or even an economy work if I can marry whom I love where I now live but my company wants to transfer me to a state and that state says no we don't allow that here. How do you run a national economy if my health care changes every time I move from state to state? States are allowed a wide spectrum of choice in issues that aren't existential to citizens or the economy but there are issues that only a nation can provide.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2019 2:59 p.m.

    Sportsfan123 - "Trump has actually followed thru with almost all of his campaign promises"
    Has he really, though? Not to put you on the spot, but for reasonable discussion, what would you say are the top 3 to 5 things he has accomplished.

    Some, he has obviously not accomplished. These might be the ones you describe as "exceptions of those who oppose him on the ones he hasn't" For instance, North Korea is still working on its nuclear program and Mexico is not paying for the wall in any form.

    So what has he accomplished?

    "What you see is what you get" -- I see a man constantly campaigning. While some call him a liar, I think of him as constantly campaigning. "Campaign promises" is the ultimate oxymoron; they never come true. Perhaps Trump SAYS he accomplished great things and you're just taking him at his word, instead of what Ronald Reagan might do... "trust, but verify"

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    The narrative here is that all sides are at fault. But I believe trump and his dangerous mass movement are the main driver.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    April 8, 2019 8:38 p.m.

    NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UT, I am sure surprised at you latest blog. What more could you do to delect?

    False informtion about Hillary? Comparing her to Trump? Hardly, and frankly that is an insult and I'm surprized that moderators allow you to put that out there.

    My favorite was you saying that there is no hint of Trump cheating, now that he is President? Oh come on that is absurd to say that with the ongoing investigations into almost every corner of his life.

    You know Ted Bundy didn't kill anymore people once he got to prison. So that makes it ok?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    April 8, 2019 3:09 p.m.

    Since before the Revolutionary War, this nation has had incompatible cultures. Some of the best parts of our Constitution are the result of compromises to overcome concerns between big, urban States and small, rural States includig the bi-cameral Congress and the Electoral college. (The worst part, 3/5ths of a person, has been rightly long since corrected by ConAmd.)

    The division continues as we look at the disagreements between the religion and anti-religious, urban vs rural, coastal areas vs inland. But unlike in generations past, easy, safe, comfortable, economic travel and communications means we spend far more time interacting with those whose culture we dislike. The growth of the federal government means we get one-size-fits-none dictates--usually judicial, sometimes legislative--to every major issue.

    Want to reduce the angst and conflict?

    Get the federal government--including courts--out of most decisions and respect local diversity. Then, vote with your feet. Gambling, prostitution, marriage, alcohol and other drugs, medical care, welfare, and education should all be under local control. Then, live where the culture suits you.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    April 8, 2019 3:03 p.m.

    Ranch: "endlessly supporting an adulterer, liar, fraud, cheat, etc. in the WH?"

    And what solution do you or your side offer except to support a different liar, fraud, cheat, and adulterer? From any objective judgment, Hillary's personal life is no less offensive than Trump's except perhaps her better ability to less often say what she really thinks. ("...basketfull of deplorables." giving us a rare, truth fill insight.) And her public policies are horrific from my point of view.

    Yes, Trump has committed adultery, paid for hookers, paid hush money, lied, etc and so on. Unlike many of our past Democrat presidents, however, his sexual infidelities appear to have ended once he was elected. (I'm sure the media would breathlessly inform of us any hint of him doing anything at all like Bill, LBJ, JFK, or FDR before him.)

    I'll freely admit to Trump's very troubling personal issues. But he had and has the best policies among all general election candidates last time.

    You, on the other hand, will downplay Hillary's personal issues while failing to just admit that if Trump was a radical left winger would support him just you did Bill, Ted and Jack Kennedy, and so on.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    April 8, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    "A WSJ/NBC poll released Friday found Americans hold negative views of social media. Clear majorities believe Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and the like are a waste of time, that they spread lies and unfair attacks, and that they divide the country."

    That is true. The operators of those platforms encourage and spread lies and unfair attacks. They exhibit biased censorship. Combine them with the Liberal media.

    But "most Americans" aren't doing that. What "we" are doing is just living our lives in American culture....which is fundamentally good.

    All the divisiveness would virtually disappear if not for the Leftists-activists that are given a completely outsized voice by the media platforms.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    April 8, 2019 12:24 p.m.

    Yes trump is hard to like, and like most americans I did not care for the guy. Then he became president, his narcisistic and ego maniac personality is exactly why he is the right man for the job, he is the quintessential anti globalist elite president. He is the anti leftist patriot that does what he wants and says what he wants and could care less what people think of him especially his opponents on the left.

    What you see is what you get, he has actually followed thru with almost all of his campaign promises with exceptions of those who opose him on the ones he hasn't.

    The economy, low unemployment, industrial jobs coming back that obama said would never return.

    He has made a liar of the left and their policies anyone who doesnt see that is blinded by hate for a man that is very easy to dislike.

    Obama's policies and cultural revision of america has left us divided and hating each other.

    The left continues to manufacture hoax's from russian collusion, kavanaugh witch trial, white privilege, supression of conservative speech on college campuses, and the media spins it.

    Hitler is laughing at us in his grave, why? Because he already tried this and it didnt work, wake up libs.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    April 8, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    Yes, I've been asking myself why you've been doing what you've been doing lately also. For example, why is it that I never see you carry Gerson's OpEds any more, which frankly are some of the best conservative writings available to the general public, and are like a lighthouse in the sea of Republican obfuscation that has become the norm in the last 2 yrs, including your newspaper.

    Luckily, I have a subscription to the Washington Post, so I see them anyway, despite your attempts to keep them out of sight and mind of Utah voters.

    When Trump finally goes, and the mind-numbing brainwashing that he's performed on an alarming number of Americans finally wears off, and we see the naked Emperor for what he is, it is people like Gerson who will be considered "great and noble"--not enablers and apologists like Thiessen, who you obviously adore, & who will be discarded on the trash heap of history, along with so many other of Trump's sycophants, as they deserve to be.

    It is Nephi, Abinidi & Captain Moroni that we admire in scriptures, not Laman, Amulon or Amalikiah. I think you need to exercise some of that introspection on yourselves that you so freely encourage others to have.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 8, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    To "Vermonter " ironically it isn't because of "family, faith and country" that we are becoming divided. We are becoming divided and devolving into tribalism because of Politics that use division to gain and maintain power.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    April 8, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    American values of family, faith and country sound pretty vague and nebulous.

    So, where do go to find American values? 70 or 80 years ago, the average American would look to the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Most Americans today would say that America can be anything you want it to be. But, if that’s the case, then in reality, nothing binds us together.

    So, is it any wonder that the best that most Americans can come up with is “family, faith and country” whatever those words mean? And is it any wonder that large swaths of America are devolving to pure tribalism?

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Rome is falling......