Beehive State's path to bump limit was paved with unusual alliances
rvalens2, TrooperAccording to the University of Rochester Medical Center,
The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and
won’t be until age 25 or so.Maybe 18 is too young to vote,
sign a contract, enlist in the military, marry without parental consent, buy/use
I am good with banning smoking for children. However, if they are old enough to
vote and old enough to register for the draft, then they are old enough to smoke
(if they choose). The same people who voluntarily choose to smoke, in full
knowledge of the horrible damage smoking inflicts, are not going to give a rip
about this law. Plus, who is going to enforce this ban? The police?
Don't they have better things to do?
Yeah burley. You’re right. Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam, China, Russia, North
Korea....all started by banning smoking.
Love it mean while Utahans will slurp down their "Dirty Cokes" and an
Animal Style artery clogging burgers. The reality of it is minors
have always gotten Beer and Cigarettes before it's legal.
Just pass a law if you choise to smoke or vape you are personally responsible
for any health related costs. Not your family, employer, or anyone else but you.
This includes harm from 2nd hand smoke. This takes care of the
freedom issue and societal burden issue. People need to face there is no one
benefiting from smoking but the tobacco companies. People who smoke need to find
healthier outlets for their stress and anxiety since these are the main reasons
Yes ERB, life can be dangerous.However, each of us needs to
carefully consider the price of allowing government(s) to "willy-nilly"
regulate and decide what actions and products they deem "illegal."
Otherwise, we run the risk of having every facet of our lives become the
government's to regulate, oversee and outlaw — whenever
"they" deem fit.This then is how freedom dies.Not suddenly, but one at a time — at the hands of those who feel the
"good" outweighs the "bad." Until the day arrives that our lives
are no longer our own to live, but belong to a bureaucracy that rules us from
sunup to sundown.How soon we forget the lessons and warnings
provided by Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea.
I fully agree tobacco/cigarettes are quite harmful. Vaping is an alternative
that should never be lumped in with it, though. It's at least 95% safer,
according to a Cochrane review of existing studies and evidence. Simply put,
nicotine (as in vape products) is not tobacco, though tobacco does contain it
(tomatoes and eggplants do as well). Nicotine itself is nearly harmless, even
though it can be fairly addictive. Still, I don't believe any drug should
be illegal. I think adults should have the right to make their own choices if
they're not infringing others rights in the process. And I think harmful
addictions should be viewed and treated as a health issue, not as a legal issue.
Applaud! Applaud! Applaud!
So sorry that the “nanny state” is trying to keep people from dying.
Rvalens2. I don’t understand why cigarettes are legal at all. No one on
this planet thinks they aren’t harmful. Our brother in law died from
smoking. Most of us know someone who died from smoking. It’s a horrible
addiction that should could disappear in a generation.
Think about it if the speed limit in Utah is 45 and you drive in doing 80. I
believe the cop can still give you a ticket. If your blood alcohol level is
legal in Nevada and you drive to Utah and it is lower you are now breaking the
law. I have graduated from BYU which has a legal honor code and then Utah and
then California's Police Academies. States rights are states rights.Later we will face Our Father in Heaven's rights and I want the
right to be there with him and I will come to live a higher law and be even
Any legal influence that the state can exert to discourage smoking is in the
public interest. The courts are filled with litigation over Roundup and its
unproven role in causing cancer while there is no debate over tobacco causing
cancer and other health related problems. That tobacco sales are allowed at all
In Utah — at 18 years of age — you are old enough to:1.
Vote.2. Sign a contract.3. Own a handgun.4. Enlist in the
military.5. Marry without your parent's consent.6. Be charged
as an adult for any crimes you commit.But you're not old enough
to decide for yourself if you want to use a product that is legal without the
"nanny state" deciding for you.
@ Mainly Me"However, does anyone with a working brain really think
that this law will stop underage kids from smoking? Please, get real. This is a
feel good law that will not accomplish one single thing except make these kids
into offenders."The article states: According to
[Ellison's] research, some of the cities and states that raised the smoking
age saw more than a 50 percent reduction in youth tobacco rates.Sounds effective to me.
I think smoking is a nasty, filthy habit and the smoke sickens me. However,
does anyone with a working brain really think that this law will stop underage
kids from smoking? Please, get real. This is a feel good law that will not
accomplish one single thing except make these kids into offenders.
When we travel or move from state to state, it is our responsibility to know
their laws and obey them. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Great move Utah!
This is good. I started smoking when I was eighteen. It took me twelve years to
finally quit the filthy habit. Good job Utah.
Hopefully we can keep raising the age until the minimum is 85 years old. Tobacco is incredibly dangerous and shouldn’t be allowed at all.
The only reason it wasn’t labeled a schedule 1 drug (like cocaine) and
prohibited from any consumer use was the tobacco lobbyists and southern
politicians who relied on the tobacco industry. Consumer tobacco products serve
no positive purpose and only harm its users.
Utah_Happyman - “So what happens when someone from another state or
country or former 19-21 year old that smokes comes to our state?”Seriously?Since when have laws ever only applied to local
"health department reports show recent use of e-cigs by 11.1 percent of
teens surveyed in eighth, 10th and 12th grades — a number that doubled in
the last five years."8th - 12th graders are not yet even 18. How
does raising the legal age to 21 stop 13 - 17 year olds from smoking?Isn't the standard Utah argument applicable here? New "smoking
control" (or gun control) laws won't stop the criminals from smoking
(using guns).How, exactly, did this help anything?
So what happens when someone from another state or country or former 19-21 year
old that smokes comes to our state? Do we arrest them and give them a ticket or
fine or are they grandfathered in some how? Asking for a friend...