Letter: Enough with all the investigations

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  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2019 6:27 a.m.

    We will probably never know the whole truth about Trump's continuing perfidies. Nevertheless, as to him personally, the Mueller Report apparently identifies no indictable offenses, even though it also refused to formally "exonerate him." This seems to me rather a cop-out. Mueller had vast resources allocated to conduct his investigations, and was unable to find any conduct warranting prosecution of the president. Much though I personally dislike the man, I feel it's time to put these investigations behind us, move on with our lives, and see if we cannot do a bit better in the upcoming 2020 election.

  • wgirl , 00
    April 3, 2019 10:07 p.m.

    Trump is calling for even more investigations into the oranges of the Mueller investigation. He wouldn't have to look far, since it has been explained again and again that it was Trump himself that got that ball rolling when he admitted on TV that he fired the head of the FBI because it was looking into how Russia messed with our election process.

    Trump is also concerned about windmills causing cancer...maybe he will want to investigate that too!

    "Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!" Sound familiar? It is silly that the party that brought us years of investigations into Benghazi and emails is insisting that there are too many investigations.

  • Flipphone , 00
    April 3, 2019 8:41 a.m.

    Only Trump haters are unset.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 2, 2019 8:02 p.m.

    Redshirt.... the do, and that is why there was no recommendation for charges. The law she was being investigated under has no clause where simple negligence is a crime. Trust me, she was incompetent in her dealings with the matter. But her actions did not rise to the level of a crime. The House committee found no breach of laws either. Incompetence yes... Criminal negligence ... no.

    Just like with Trump. We will likely find that the campaign did things they were not supposed to do, but didn't rise to the level of criminally chargeable offenses. Anyway.....

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 2, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil " it wasn't part of the statute. See "Lisa Page said FBI discussed charging Hillary Clinton with 'gross negligence' in 2016, and DOJ told them no" in the Washington Examiner.

    If you also look into the original draft of the Colmey statement, he said that Clinton had handled classified information with gross negligence.

    I would think that Lisa Page and Colmey know and fully understand the term Gross Negligence as it applies to national security laws.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 2, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    "The WHOLE nation (Democrats included ) should breath a sigh of relief that no crimes were committed. Yet your ilk isn't satisfied with the report stating that no crimes were committed. This is different from the Clinton Email scandal where they found that crimes were committed but that she didn't mean to, so they were not going to prosecute."

    This is patently a false statement. Particularly that last sentence. That statue specifically says that the the "intent to do harm to the nation" must be present for it to be a crime. If it were as simple as using third party services for email/phones, the Kusherns would be in equal legal jeopardy. We don't get to rewrite law to suite our own personal agenda.

    If we really want to stop having these investigations, we need to stop electing morally compromised people. With the Clintons and Trumps, this has been a constant. With Obama, the Bush's, for the most part Reagan and Carter, we didn't wallow in the mud like we do now because these were more moral people. Mistakes still happened (Iran-Contra), but they didn't dominate these presidencies.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    April 2, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    Confused - Sandy, UT

    YUP!, still confused .

    "ECR - "e (10 total investigations into the Benghazi tragedy all of which concluded the same thing - there was no wrong doing)."

    "Wrong, 10 investigation where the Obama Administration stonewalled the investigation."

    You made the claim, now support your claim with citations. Faux doesn't count.

    "Talk about being honest here, anyone who is not jaded by politics knows that Obama would not release the requested documentation for what actually happened in Benghazi and who order what... That is a fact, not politics."

    Here's your chance to shine. Show us your citations!

    At least the investigations into Trump and his administration has resulted in a whole bunch of crooked Republicans getting caught.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    April 2, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    Funny...

    I can't find Don's letter about Ken Starr or Benghazi anywhere....

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2019 6:08 p.m.

    Another point to consider is we have not seen a four page "summary" of the Mueller report. We have seen a four page summary of the "major" conclusions of the report. One of which was Mueller could not exonerate Trump from obstruction of justice. You think there might be some juicy details there?

    Being absolved from criminal behavior does not absolve one from immoral, unpatriotic, and unethical behavior, all of which Trump has displayed in spades over two years. Lets see the details.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    April 1, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    Flipphone said, “Only leftist Democrats are unhappy with the conclusions of the Mueller investigation.”

    First point - the only thing that anyone has seen of the Mueller report is a four page summary written by the Attorney General that President Trump appointed after he wrote an unsolicited paper claiming the president couldn’t and shouldn’t be charged with obstruction of justice no matter what he does because he’s the president. Can you imagine?

    Most Republicans don’t accept a basic Mueller finding - that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 campaign. The president doesn’t believe it. He denied what 17 different intelligence agencies previously concluded and he denied it standing next to Vladimir Putin on an international stage. So I’m thinking Trump isn’t happy with EVERYTHING about the conclusions of the Mueller investigation.

  • Flipphone , 00
    April 1, 2019 1:21 p.m.

    Only leftist Democrats are unhappy with the conclusion of the Mueller investigation.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    April 1, 2019 12:51 p.m.

    Redshirt - Let's start with this issue related to Trump's corruption. President Trump was involved in discussions to build a skyscraper in Moscow throughout the entire 2016 presidential campaign, a longer and more significant role for Mr. Trump than he had previously acknowledged.

    Comments by his lawyer [Giuliani] indicated that Mr. Trump’s efforts to complete a business deal in Russia waned only after Americans cast ballots in the presidential election.

    That means that Mr. Trump was seeking a deal at the time he was calling for an end to economic sanctions against Russia imposed by the Obama administration. He was seeking a deal when he gave interviews questioning the legitimacy of NATO, a favorite talking point of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. And he was seeking a deal when, in July 2016, he called on Russia to release hacked Democratic emails that Mr. Putin’s government was rumored at the time to have stolen.

    The Trump Tower Moscow discussions were “going on from the day I announced to the day I won,” Mr. Giuliani quoted Mr. Trump as saying during an interview with The New York Times.

    And believe me, there's more.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    April 1, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    ECR - "So far there have been 34 indictments and 7 guilty pleas. "

    And all of them had nothing to do with the collusion of the Russaians... They were not convicted of colluding, they were convicted because a) the lie to congress, b) business dealings they did prior to being involved with Trump.

    No person was convicted for colluding with the Russians which was the original design of the investigation.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    April 1, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    Letter: "Enough with all the investigations"

    As others have patiently explained already, House investigations are in the Congressional job description.

    Whether a particular Congress conducts too many or too few oversight investigations is a political judgment. House members qre particularly attuned to the consequences of misreading what their constituents want, given their their 2-year terms.

    So the letter writer and some commenters believe that there are currently too many House investigations into the Trump administration?

    Okay, fine. But your choices are limited.

    You can vote for a different Representative in 2020.

    Or if your House Rep is already in the Little-to-No Oversight Caucus, you are left with trying to persuade voters in other districts to elect folks who are similarly handy with the rubber-stamp.

    Based on the 2018 election results and the continuing trend-lines, those persuasive efforts are failing. Miserably.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    April 1, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    To "ECR" if there was "obvious" corruption apparently the DoJ, FBI, and Congress have all missed it.

    Tell us what evidence do you have that there was any corruption?

    With Obama and Clinton we have evidence. See the new article "Lisa Page said FBI discussed charging Hillary Clinton with 'gross negligence' in 2016, and DOJ told them no" in the Washington Examiner.

    Shouldn't we be investigating the FBI and DoJ to ensure that corruption like what Obama pulled off doesn't happen again?

    Again, the Muller report shows that Trump did not commit treason. Why are you not happy about that?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    April 1, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Confused said, "Wrong, 10 investigation where the Obama Administration stonewalled the investigation."

    I guess you missed the 11 hour session where Secretary Clinton sat taking questions from the Trey Gowdy Select Committee on Benghazi. If you call that stonewalling, what do you call President Trump's contribution to the Muelller investigation?

    RedshirtHarvard (right) said, "so what you are saying is that Obama had better control over his DOJ and didn't let them arrest people who broke the law."

    I guess you came to the discussion a little late. We're talking about Congressional investigations which no president should have any power over. Unless, of course, you don't count the cowards in the Republican Congress who let the president and his administration slip past the first 2 years without a whimper, despite obvious corruption.

    "The WHOLE nation (Democrats included ) should breath a sigh of relief that no crimes were committed."

    No crimes were committed? So far there have been 34 indictments and 7 guilty pleas. And that's just from the Mueller investigation. We're all still waiting for the Southern District of NY US Attorneys and any one of 3 state Attorney's General.

  • Flipphone , 00
    April 1, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    The real crime is that their were powerful democrats who tried to undermined the Presidential election results... There false collisions changes was just that.

    Now a new investigation needs to investigate, Starting with the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton the FBI and DOJ. and pencil neck

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    April 1, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    To "Don Rasmussen" what does a federal investigation have to do with gun laws?

    To "ECR" so what you are saying is that Obama had better control over his DOJ and didn't let them arrest people who broke the law. Would you like Trump to control the DOJ that way?

    Why should the investigation continue? The FBI (supposedly more competent at investigations than Congress) has turned in their report and have stated that nothing illegal went on between Trump and the Russians. The WHOLE nation (Democrats included ) should breath a sigh of relief that no crimes were committed. Yet your ilk isn't satisfied with the report stating that no crimes were committed. This is different from the Clinton Email scandal where they found that crimes were committed but that she didn't mean to, so they were not going to prosecute.

    Do you have any evidence of any new crimes, or is it just a blood lust that you are trying to satisfy?

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    April 1, 2019 10:23 a.m.

    ECR - "e (10 total investigations into the Benghazi tragedy all of which concluded the same thing - there was no wrong doing)."

    Wrong, 10 investigation where the Obama Administration stonewalled the investigation.

    Talk about being honest here, anyone who is not jaded by politics knows that Obama would not release the requested documentation for what actually happened in Benghazi and who order what... That is a fact, not politics.

    As for having a "We should be genuine in the arguments we make, not try to get the upper hand by twisting the obvious intentions of those with whom we disagree."

    That is why I said "If I remember right, you liberals called it a "Witch hunt", well it sure looks to me like the democrats are doing their own "Witch Hunt" on Trump...."

    The GOP went after Obama and his cabinet members, just like the democrats are going after Trump... Why? Simply because of politics and gaining points with their base.

    Neither party is interested in doing what is best for the country, just how i can make the other party look bad in the media.... (Pure jaded view on my part).

    That is why I am neither GOP or a Dem...

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 1, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    Plus we're saving money by not giving it to "three Mexican countries", like faux news claimed.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    April 1, 2019 9:48 a.m.

    Confused, try to be honest in your arguments. Thomas Jefferson wasn't criticizing Jason Chaffetz for his role in the multiple investigations undertaken while he was in Congress, he was pointing out the hypocrisy of those who are now saying the investigations should now stop when previously they were cheering on investigations that were clearly over the top and excessive (10 total investigations into the Benghazi tragedy all of which concluded the same thing - there was no wrong doing). If we are to have civil discourse on this page or in any other public forum, we should be genuine in the arguments we make, not try to get the upper hand by twisting the obvious intentions of those with whom we disagree.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    April 1, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    Thomas Jefferson - "Part of the job of congress is to investigate. "
    "And somehow I dont think this writer was near as concerned when the gop congress and our own jason 'pay attention to me' chaftazz was doing the investigating."

    So which is Thomas Jefferson? You can't have both ways....

    "IF" it is the job of congress to investigate, then why are you critical of Chaftez doing his duty investigating what happened in Benghazi, email scandal, etc?

    If I remember right, you liberals called it a "Witch hunt", well it sure looks to me like the democrats are doing their own "Witch Hunt" on Trump....

    You liberals praised Mueller and his investigation, just knowing there was collusion with Trump, now that he said there was none.... Well now he is a hiss and by word...

    I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the democrats.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2019 8:16 a.m.

    Part of the job of congress is to investigate.

    And somehow I dont think this writer was near as concerned when the gop congress and our own jason 'pay attention to me' chaftazz was doing the investigating.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    Oversight matters! Let the investigations run their course!

  • one old man MSC, UT
    April 1, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    The investigations ARE protecting us. At least they are trying.

    Unfortunately, to too many of our fellow Americans, TRUTH means nothing any more.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    "Millions of dollars have been spent, and are still being spent, for ongoing investigations trying to find some wrongdoing by our administration."

    It sounds like sour grapes because it's your party that is being investigated. How can you be against uncovering all of the corruption that has been found within the current Republican administration?

    Do you prefer to let the corruption go on just because your party is getting indicted, imprisoned and heavily fined?

    The cost of the investigation has been about $24 million. The recovery through fines has been $64 million. It more than paid for itself.

    Just out of curiosity, did you also complain when Jason Chaffetz did 7 investigations in 4 years on Hillary Clinton without finding any wrong doing? Were you chanting; "lock her up?" or maybe "Benghazi!"

    Then, there is the matter of $54 million from the Ken Starr fishing investigation into Bill Clinton for lying about a sexual liaison...

    Why do you support Republicans?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    April 1, 2019 6:58 a.m.

    Possible hypocrisy aside (did you support the endless investigations of Hillary Clinton?), we have had only one real investigation into the possible collusion of the President and Russia to soil our democratic process.

    We have only begun to look into all the other legal and ethical problems Trump brought into the Presidency, and continues to bring into government while in office. And we should ignore all that?

    In 2016 the GOP knowingly nominated a seriously questionable candidate. His businesses have always been dodgy, his morality was questioned and he campaigned under false pretenses. By some crazy set of circumstances, he won the election (the Democrats candidate was badly scared, with a bad campaign). The GOP owns the selection and election of one of the most corrupt personages ever elected to any office.

    Deal with investigations. It is the role and the duty of the Congress to ferret out the truth and inform the US public. As Jack Nicholson sad in a movie: "you can't handle the truth".

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 1, 2019 5:47 a.m.

    Seriously...Benghazi.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    April 1, 2019 5:45 a.m.

    "(Your) representatives were elected to serve" by providing oversight of the Executive Branch. Oversight derives from the many express powers of the Congress in the Constitution. It is implied in the legislature's authority, among other powers and duties, to appropriate funds, enact laws, raise and support armies, provide for a Navy, declare war, and impeach and remove from office the President, Vice President, and other civil officers. Congress could not exercise these powers without knowing what the executive was doing; how programs were being administered, by whom, and at what cost; and whether officials were obeying the law and complying with legislative intent." Thus, Congressional hearings are necessary.

    It is worth noting that ten investigations were conducted into the 2012 Benghazi attack, six of these by Republican-controlled House committees. Despite numerous allegations against Obama administration officials of scandal, cover-up and lying regarding the Benghazi attack and its aftermath, none of the ten investigations found any evidence to support those allegations.

    To date:

    Trump Administration - 34 indictments, 7 guilty pleas
    Obama Administration - 0 indictments

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2019 1:25 a.m.

    People's character & integrity matter especially when you are electing or appointing them to the highest offices in our country.

    Investigations as needed are part of taking care of the people's business.

    If Nixon had not been breaking the law & had paid taxes he owed there wouldn't have been a Watergate.

    Trumps/Kushners are not known to be families of high moral character & integrity. Neither were the Clintons. You get what you elect.

    We need to raise not lower the bar in who we will accept as our leaders. Until then, they will push the country in a downward spiral in more ways than one. People are naive to think the downward spiral in the quality of our leaders and societal values can't & won't take us down as a country. It has all other great civilizations in history.

    Too much $ going into the elections helped corrupt our election process. One reason we need $ & high paid lobbyists out of our elections. Politicians who have to fund raise to get re-elected spend half their time raising $ rather than doing the jobs we elected them to do.

    All the investigations of Trump/family or Hillary should be no surprise to anyone in either party.

  • Dee Conner Ivins, UT
    March 31, 2019 9:55 p.m.

    Agree 100%! I don’t care about their past. If they can be effective while in office, great. If not, vote them out in the next election.