BYU wraps up spring practices; coaches like competition among players, especially at quarterback position

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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    April 4, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    Full disclosure. I never read BYU related articles. I look at the Headline to see if I want to read the comments. The comments are generally much more interesting, IMO.

    I really like the optimism of Cougarforever. Good to feel optimistic about your team.

    As a rival fan I will point out why I think it will be different. (consider the source;-))

    Last yr. BYU went:
    1-3 v. PAC 12
    1-2 v. MWC
    0-1 v. MAC (regular season)

    So, with that, and even with expected improvements to the BYU product, this is what I'd predict for 2019.

    Utah - Loss. Utah should win by multiple scores. But it's a rivalry, so....likely close.
    Tenn - Loss. Hard to recover from a rivalry game. Travel to a storied stadium, SEC, etc.
    USC - Loss. A dumpster fire but oozes talent. Helton is coaching for his job.
    UW - Loss. They reload.
    Toledo – Win.
    USF – 50:50.
    BSU – 50:50.
    USU – 50:50.
    Liberty, Idaho State, UMass - Wins.
    SDSU – 50:50.

    Split the 50:50 games and go 6-6. Win them all and go 8-4. Remember BYU lost to NIU, in Provo, with Zach Wilson starting. His QB rating was 25.9 with an INT and zero TDs.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 30, 2019 9:56 p.m.

    “I am forever impressed with the civility of Utah fans, how respectful they are of BYU, its high standards and its honor code.”

    gcoog:

    And then YOU have max-was-arrested. How nice.

  • gchris Rock Springs, WY
    March 30, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    I am forever impressed with the civility of Utah fans, how respectful they are of BYU, its high standards and its honor code. The comments that they make on these BYU articles are carefully considered and reflect a high degree of knowledge of BYU athletics, academics, and administration and I look forward to reading them every day. I also look forward to the athletic competition between the schools, even though my Cougars can never hope to reach the lofty heights occupied by the Utes. I am in awe of the accomplishments of Utah student athletes, both on and off the fields and wish them well in all endeavors. I also applaud the DN for fairly reporting on BYU and Utah and for carefully and even-handedly applying high standards of content review on comments.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2019 5:56 a.m.

    “Utah – based on bowl game performances, we finally beat the Utes (soundly). Win.” We hear this every year!

    Too bad for you, our biggest offensive weapons will be back, (pending any injuries in fall camp) and you’ll be missing your biggest defensive weapons.

    And based on YOUR bowl game performances, you’ll actually be facing a really good defensive team in Utah. Unlike the one you beat who was ranked 107 in the country. But coug fans don’t like to take into account the level of competition.

    Good luck on USC! A mess? Yes...but they have a lot of speed and NFL athletes. The cougs are lucky if they send more than one to the NFL most years.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    March 30, 2019 2:12 a.m.

    Cougar forever: As irrational as your comments my be, you are enthused. I wish it were true, I hope it may be true but heaven knows it probably isn’t even half true. We wouldn’t win 10 games in any mid-major conference in the country. With this schedule the result will be closer to 7 losses than 10 wins. I must say, if we do the same thing with roughly the same talent we will get much the same result. But we can hope, since that is really almost all we have going. You do need to take a hard look at the fact that we would be competing for 4th place in the MWC, AAC, or C-USA.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 29, 2019 10:18 p.m.

    “Utah – based on bowl game performances, we finally beat the Utes (soundly). Win.”

    Are you seriously comparing finish ranked P5 NW to that awful midmajor WMU? NW would’ve knocked byu-p out of the park in the 1st half, same as what we would’ve done to WMU, except more rapidly.

    You people are famous for predicting a W [soundly—LOL] against us annually, only to always post a L....It’s Groundhog Day every year.

    9 straight & counting is soon upon us.

    Go Utes!

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    March 29, 2019 9:22 p.m.

    Coug4ever-Wow talk about optimism. I would bet you a milkshake that the Cougs go 2-6 in their first 8 games and then close out the season 4-0 to end up 6-6. They still need a running back, two reliable receivers, and a defense that can stop a team who has a winning record.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    March 29, 2019 6:27 p.m.

    The 2019 schedule is not as daunting as last season’s schedule. Among other factors, we are getting Tennessee and USC at low points for those programs. Predictions:

    Utah – based on bowl game performances, we finally beat the Utes (soundly). Win.

    Tennessee – a bottom-dweller in the SEC last year with multiple position needs; good recruiting class but they can’t beat us with freshmen in the second game of the year. Win.

    USC – a dumpster fire; new OC bolts for the NFL, etc; we play them here. Win.

    Washington – lost a number of key players but still will be tough (even in Provo). Loss.

    Toledo – not even close to the 2016 team that played us tough. Win.

    USF – faded horribly last year; lost their last 6 games (by an average of 19 points). Win.

    BSU – has to replace a multi-year starting QB and other starters. 50:50.

    USU – a hard-fought game but we will be coming off a bye while the Aggies D will be recovering from playing against AFA’s front 7-punishing option. 50:50.

    Liberty, Idaho State, UMass – wins.

    SDSU – difficult to predict; lost their last 4 games. Likely win.

    Predicted 2019 record: 10-2.

    The 2020 schedule is much tougher -- we will be lucky to win 6 games in 2020.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    March 29, 2019 5:35 p.m.

    @Max-was-right

    "BYU should drop the u game." if only...

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2019 4:03 p.m.

    Maxi loves the Utes:

    “BYU should drop the u game. Tell them to collect the 80k from their basketball coach and let the Y fans sit back and enjoy the u fans meltdown for not having BYU occupy their heads 24/7......”

    SO much hypocrisy in that post, coming from someone that ALWAYS trolls the Utah boards. One of many examples below...

    “Max-was-right - Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2019 5:09 p.m.
    The u coaches making players play hurt. Putting winning and keeping their jobs above player safety. Wow”

    I think it’s Utah that lives in YOUR head 24/7 buddy!

    As for this article, at best with Kalani, you’ll get a 7 win season, with an occasional 8 if you’re lucky! You’ll beat Utah eventually, but it’ll most likely be very few and far between for the foreseeable future!

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 29, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    BYU will go 9-3 this year. Their losses will be to Washington, Tennessee, and South Florida! Additionally, while Wilson will be the starter, we will get a good dose of Hall throughout the season. The D will again be in the top 25. BUY will finish in the top 25, somewhere between 20-25. How that for prognostications?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 29, 2019 1:04 p.m.

    “We do have a very tough first five games and, even if we play well, could lose as many as four of them. BUT....with Wilson we could also win as many as three.“

    Which 1 game do you believe they win?

    Then, which 3 games do you believe they could win?

    Keep in mind, byu-p’s never beaten a .500 or better PAC-12 opponent.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 29, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    The burning question is how many margin-of-defeat moral victories does byu-p celebrate this year, particularly among their first four games?

    Who knows, maybe byu-p gets lucky @ Tennessee, thus facilitating bowl eligibility [barely]?

    #9iscoming

    Go Utes!

  • daver , 00
    March 29, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    Best wishes to Stacy Conner with his transfer. Thanks so much, Stacy, for coming to BYU. I was very excited when you came and hope you find the ideal spot, in order to live your dreams!

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    March 29, 2019 12:30 p.m.

    I am excited about the connection between Coach Steward and Rice grad transfer Esupka. Really hope that addition to our backfield produces great results. G-o-o-o-o Cougars!!!

  • matman Provo, UT
    March 29, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    Different year same hype.

  • Valhalla Alpine, UT
    March 29, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    College football is the best. Players who have a 4-year career and who all have dreams of going to the next level, second-guessing coaches, raging at the refs, fans who all think this will be a special year for their teams, spending way too much money on team gear... I can't wait!

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    March 29, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    @ekute

    And if the utes are as good as they keep telling themselves, they might get 6 wins too. Good luck.

    I believe the football program in Provo is heading toward a successful upcoming season.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 29, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    @Cougalum - St. George, UT
    March 29, 2019 10:03 a.m.
    "Jello: you cannot blame Mangum for Holmoe’s over scheduling. Wilson succeeded because he played the weak half of the schedule. Mangum could have succeeded in the weak second half of the season. Be prepared for a very tough first 5 games this year. Wilson will be as good as he was last year if he isn’t benched for the second stringers to play."

    Not true, but you are late to the game and I am not about to regurgitate the facts. Mangum was equally bad against inferior teams during his career. The offense was dumbed down and he was given two options only on every play because he couldn't handle more. The play calling when Hill was under center and then again from the second game on with Wilson was entirely different. The one they HAD to use with Mangum was HS level at best.

    We do have a very tough first five games and, even if we play well, could lose as many as four of them. BUT....with Wilson we could also win as many as three.

    The last time I had this kind of hope for the program was with Hill under center. Why am I still having to show people. Mangum was NOT good.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    March 29, 2019 10:04 a.m.

    BYU should drop the u game. Tell them to collect the 80k from their basketball coach and let the Y fans sit back and enjoy the u fans meltdown for not having BYU occupy their heads 24/7......

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    March 29, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    Jello: you cannot blame Mangum for Holmoe’s over scheduling. Wilson succeeded because he played the weak half of the schedule. Mangum could have succeeded in the weak second half of the season. Be prepared for a very tough first 5 games this year. Wilson will be as good as he was last year if he isn’t benched for the second stringers to play. But rest assured the coaches and AD won’t take responsibility. At least we can look forward to the players finally buying in to the culture by game 6 or 7.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 29, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Whoever scheduled Utah as the first game should be fired.

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    March 29, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    Cougalum - St. George, UT you asked a good question. My reaction is also, "Good grief!" But why did you do that in the Utah game? Both offensively and defensively you were destroying Utah until the score reached 28 to 7. Everything the Cougars had been doing at that point changed, and the Utes went on to destroy BYU. Please never do that again. The coaching lost that game.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 29, 2019 8:24 a.m.

    @Cougalum - St. George, UT
    March 29, 2019 12:15 a.m.

    "Did Roderick just imply that last year they just tried to keep it close, protect the defense, hang around and hope to win in the end? I agree that “this year” they should play to win. Good grief."

    I don't think he implied anything. He came right out and said that their whole goal was to keep the offense simple, eat clock, avoid plays that could turn in to big mistakes and hope to win a close one. That offense was created for Mangum because he was not a very good QB. He made poor decisions. He could not read defenses. They game planned for who they had playing QB.

    Whole different game plan with Wilson and Hall. It will be refreshing to actually have a D1 QB under center.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    March 29, 2019 8:10 a.m.

    Glad to see competition for the QBs, hope they utilize both of these great young men this year.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 29, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    @ mncougar - Bronco left the cupboard so bare that it took a couple of years to even replace the departing staff. Bronco's recruiting after he decided to search for the next job, or perhaps after he got the Virginia job, was, shall we say, insufficient to replace the players. So after Bronco's last recruits left, the cupboard was pretty bare. It did not help that Detmer's offense failed so decisively. It literally took a couple of years to replenish. Throw in the two-year lag for missions, and you simply cannot rebuild from scratch in less than three or four years. This will be the 4th year, so we can expect a more complete team with better results this year.

    A good lesson: you don't appoint a coach after he has been out of football for 10 years, no matter how great a player he was. In fact, great players seldom make great coaches. They are often instinctive, and cannot reach well.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 29, 2019 7:38 a.m.

    4 wins if they stay strong...6 if they're as good as they're telling themselves. go cougs.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    March 29, 2019 12:15 a.m.

    Did Roderick just imply that last year they just tried to keep it close, protect the defense, hang around and hope to win in the end? I agree that “this year” they should play to win. Good grief.

  • mncougar Stillwater, MN
    March 28, 2019 11:13 p.m.

    As good as Zack's potential is, I am not so sure that Jaren may not be a better overall QB in the long run. A nice dilemma to have.