Utah police trying to trace gun used in accidental shooting

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  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 26, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    @dn subscriber

    "It's not the guns, it's the criminals and crazy people."

    And since it's impossible to control criminals and crazy people (because new ones are being created all the time without anyone's knowledge), the only solution is to take away the guns - we can control those.

    On that note, ever notice how other civilized countries (England, Germany, Switzerland, etc.) have just as many criminals and crazy people as we do, yet they have a fraction of the shootings? Turns out taking away guns works!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 26, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    Note that none of the long list of gun control schemes so beloved by the left would have prevented this. Enforcing current laws would.

    Stealing a gun is illegal.
    Possession of stolen property is illegal.
    Possession of a handgun by a teen is illegal.
    Possession in a vehicle by an underage person is illegal.
    Selling a handgun to a teen is illegal.
    Dealing in firearms without a license is illegal.
    As a minimum the shooter can, and should be, charged with gross negligence.
    Although not mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that these teenagers were also prohibited from gun possession due to criminal records, gang activity, or drug use.

    It's not the guns, it's the criminals and crazy people.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 26, 2019 8:18 a.m.


    Thank you for not addressing my argument.

    Again, for every gun that was ever used in a crime, there are only 4 ways it could have happened:
    1. A bad guy legally bought a gun.
    2. A good guy legally bought a gun and later turned bad.
    3. A good guy legally bought a gun and a bad guy stole it.
    4. A good guy legally bought a gun, lost it, and a bad guy found it.

    Scenario 1 is the government's fault.
    Scenario 2 is the good guy gun owner's fault.
    Scenario 3 is the good guy gun owner's fault.
    Scenario 4 is the good guy gun owner's fault.

    What can we learn from this? First, the government cannot be trusted to properly vet gun buyers. Second, good guys cannot be trusted to stay good, or to keep control of their guns.

    Therefore the only solution is to keep guns out of everyone's hands.

  • Puukko Orem , 00
    March 25, 2019 9:26 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin - San Diego, CA

    You don't have any gun rights living in California

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    March 25, 2019 7:55 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin, we appreciate your full disclosure regarding the true position of the antigun lobby. You are being fully truthful when you demand the full implementation of laws prohibiting gun ownership by all Americans and the elimination of the Second Amendment. Honesty, when it comes to gun control, is difficult to find.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 25, 2019 6:03 p.m.

    @Utah Ute 69

    Just further proof that there's no such thing as a safe gun. Every gun ever used in a crime was once acquired legally by someone.

    Therefore the only solution is a complete and total ban on guns for all people, since it is clear that even "responsible" gun owners cannot be trusted to keep track of their guns.

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    March 25, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    ConservativeCommonTater, gee, people that steel guns and sell them don't register their guns and children that are legally too young to own a sidearm can't buy a gun from a licensed Federally approved gun dealer. So, once again, the only people that must go though the gun purchasing process are the good guys with no criminal record, no restraining orders and are real legal residents of the state and the USA. The real question should be who did these kids buy the guns from, where did they get the money to purchase the guns, why they felt the need to have two illegal guns in their car, what is their gang history, what is their drug history and more. Then these kids and those that helped in the purchase of the guns should be punished to the full possible extent. Perhaps it is time to go after the guys that committed the gun crime(s) and stop making gun laws that only impact those that don't use guns fro criminal purposes.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    Gee, if we had gun registration and better background checks, it would be easy to trace this gun.

    Bought it on Snapchat for $250, for a Glock? That had to be stolen also.