Hey guys, wait a minute before transferring. Did you hear Rose is leaving?
The sad thing for me is that I see my enthusiasm for BYU waning over time. Too
many years of mediocrity.
Despite a dissappointing end to the year, BYU is still the state champions of
Contact Mark Madsen and offer him an assistant job. He would be a great choice
for head coach and within the year, Rose can retire!
Who Cares?!!! Players come and go. Instead of worrying about this, I think that
this coaching staff needs to see if they can find a pulse on the wrist of every
player left in the program.Childs was the only player who seemed to
want to win vs. San Diego. The rest looked uninterested and lazy. Its time for
the Staff to start working these guys harder and make them accountable for their
failure. This team was an embarrassment !
I'm not sure what Yoeli Childs' status is concerning his earning a
degree at BYU this spring, but if he hasn't earned it, he'll return to
BYU next year. No NBA or Europe chance for Childs, but he could play in China
for a year or two, maybe?
Will the Lone Peak Deuce, aka the "Brick Brothers," be offered
scholarships next year? Yoeli Childs will most likely leave..........Haws and
Emery........oh my gosh?????? HAHA! I love those guys.....stay for ten more
I've mentioned Dan Majerle's name several times in regards to filling
the bill at BYU. He has built a good rep at Grand Canyon U, outside of Phoenix
and could be willing to move back to Utah for a step up at the Y. I am sure that
there are other worthy coaches out there who are more than able to fill Coach
Rose's shoes as well. But I agree with many, who believe that Coach
Rose's time is past due in Provo.
The big problem is that Coach Rose does not seem to be able to recruit
internationally. The men's volleyball program is very successful...why not
the basketball program. With all the international connections that BYU has,
not being able to recruit internationally is downright unacceptable!
Every great high school athlete finds it a big jump to Div I play. In basketball
there are only so many minutes that can be shared on the floor. Bergersen has
shown great potential at times but not consistency. It is probably a good
decision for his playing career to look elsewhere. I will miss Hardnet's
intensity and defense. Good luck to both of them.
Very nice guy....However, Dave Rose is the Jeb Bush of
basketball....Low Energy...Too laid back...Texas mellow.He simply
can't recruit and develop players...BYU needs to recruit overseas as
well, you know, like BYU used to do.Time for a go get 'em,
Firebrand Coach...i.e. Frank Arnold, Steve Cleveland, and yes, I'll say
it...Roger Reid (without the PR Nightmare persona).
Finding myself agreeing w/Jello (again ) -- Bergersen & Jashire were
ok, if not flat out good, but Cougs have many guards (too many)- Wade
should help next fall- Need more quality "bigs"I
love(d) the play of Yoeli, but we should've had a true 5 in the middle and
let Childs play 4 or even some 3. That's where he'll be playing at
the next level (or does that even matter here?)C'mon coaches,
bring in some front court guys & develop them. Stop letting guys like Lee,
Dastrup, etc, go stale on the bench. Those guys come in real handy at times.
I appreciate all the loyal BYU and Dave Rose fans out there who are holding
solid in Coach Rose's corner. As has been said, Dave Rose is a
class person and had been a reasonably successful coach up until 4 years ago.
Since then, the Cougars haven't been to the NCAA tourney one time. They
have never won the WCC tournament. Coach Rose lost the best assistant coaches
he had and brought in "green horns" who had no college coaching
experience which hasn't helped much. Not sure who is to blame for that? Is
BYU unwilling to fund salaries for more experienced coaches? Is Coach Rose
insecure and doesn't want to bring in anyone who might challenge his
coaching philosophies which are producing mediocre results? All I
know is that we can see what bringing in a new coach like Utah State did can do
for a program. Craig Smith at USU exudes enthusiasm and a solid player
development skill set. Who wouldn't want to play for a coach like that!Does Dave Rose still bring those attributes to the program??
The problem isn't Dave Rose. The problem is the immediate gratification
that young people can't live without. Mika Leaving early to make money
was fine, a personal decision. Same with Elijah. Many athletes want to make
money and are not committed long term. Dave Rose is an excellent coach and a
better person. If BYU let's him leave it will be a huge mistake!!!
The good news is that our basketball program is already average so these
transfers will not make us worse. Hardnett is quick and we lack quickness so
it hurts a little ...... but he fell out of favor with Rose so he was done
anyway. Rylan was physically able to do some things that our other guards
weren’t. I don’t know why he didn’t get morenplaykng time.
6’yeaes ago I would give Rose the benefit of the doubt and say Rylan
isn’t good enough but I am not going to vouch for Rose’s talent
evaluation anymore. The bigger problem is the cancer that appears to be in this
program. Roses lack of a bench and lack of a starting 5 who can play at even a
decent level is all related to his recruiting. Program in disarray!
@Oregon UteYou're right. Players come and players go, it is
the nature of college sports.
This is no surprise and not that big of loss. Bergersen had some talent, but he
was wildly inconsistent, was often out of position on D and at times was a
turnover machine. We have Wade who is eligible this coming year and are too
deep at the guard positions. Hopefully these two roster spots as well as our
two graduating seniors will be filled with big men.
This hurts!Coaches need to figure out how to fix this!
Further evidence that this program is dying under Dave Rose. However, Tom Holmoe
is a big part of the blame. Likely will finish 4th or 5th in the lowly WCC next
year and no prospect for a post-season tournament.
Harnet was starting until he got hurt. But something went on before that. He was
pretty good, but not great. Hate to see him go, though.I agree that
the program is fading but the real issue is the transfers and jumps to Europe.
As usual, the mission delay also complicates team building. If I were coaching,
I'd go after non-LDS players. When they come back, it takes a season to
just get back into shape.But it's pretty clear that BYU needs
new blood. Coach Rose was a very good coach, but things seem to out of synch
last three or four years.
I believe transferring is becoming a normal thing nowadays. It's happening
all over the country, in all sports. I don't blame kids for transferring.
They are looking for more playing time. If I had been good enough in sports to
play in college I would have wanted to play and not ride the bench. These
transfers will probably go to lesser programs and find more playing time.
It just feels like the program is in disarray....
It's not Rose or Holmoe. Just answer me this: Besides playing
for one's childhood team, what benefits are there for a highly-skilled
player to play for BYU?Answer: None—well, other than academics
and the honor code. Oops, those things aren't such a draw to 99.9% of
top-shelf athletes. Sorry.
Reading the comments about players transferring you would think the sky is
falling on the BYU basketball program. Let me assure you it isn't. Did BYU
underperform this year? Yes, they did. That said I don't know how you can
justify firing Rose? He has taken BYU to more NCAA tournament appearances (8)
than any coach in BYU history and that includes the great Stan Watts (7). Also,
Rose has the highest win percentage in BYU history and has the seventh highest
win percentage among active Division I coaches. Rose has never had a losing
season and firing Rose is not the answer.Besides who are you going
to bring in - Jeff Judkins? He's too old - BYU is not going to hire
somebody to coach for four or five years. Hire Mark Pope? He's done a
decent job at UVU and I think someday he could be the coach at BYU. However, he
has not led UVU to any NCAA or NIT appearances.Do I get frustrated
with Rose sometimes? Yes, I do. He didn't give Payton Dastrup enough
minutes and so he left. However, losing Rylan Bergerson and Jashire Hardnett is
not going to hurt this team. Other players are perfectly capable of filling
Time for Rose to transfer....
TBH, I'm sure the coaching staff would rather take their chances without
these two. Unfortunately, based on recent recruiting, it doesn't seem they
have anyone better coming in though.
I recall about a year ago, Tom Holmoe supported his football coach in letting Ty
Detmer go. I also recall in the news that BYU kept Ty on payroll for quite a
lengthy time after he was done coaching the team. Those facts suggest that it
would not be unreasonable for Tom Holmoe to contemplate letting coach Rose go.
Yes, it was a painful decision to let Ty Detmer go, but they did that for the
good of the football program that was struggling mightily. Now the
basketball program is in serious decline. The team hasn't attained any
significant achievements like winning a conference championship since joining
the WCC or for the last 4 years hasn't even made it into the NCAA
tournament. Sure, a lot of people like Dave Rose - a lot of people like Ty
Detmer too, but that fact didn't stop Tom Holmoe from ratifying Coach
Sitake's move to improve the team - and he has done that so far. For the
good of the BYU basketball program, Mr. Holmoe needs to take decisive action now
and start rebuilding this floundering basketball program before more players
leave and before more basketball fans give up.
So why do we see players transfer instead of Dave Rose should quit coaching or
just step away? Yeah, I know Dave Rose got an extension for another year to end
by Spring 2021.
Rose and Holmoe: Tick tick tick tick tick tick... As I predicted a couple of
weeks ago, the transfers were not over. They are still not over. As long as
there are any players who are marketable to D1 schools there are players
seriously considering a move. One or two more before midsummer? Oh how I hope I
am wrong this time but I don’t think so. Tick tick tick...
Not too suprising. Is Dalton Nixon next? The thing that should bring about
change is the significant decrease in attendance over the past 3 years. The
program is more than stagnant, it is in decline.
When will Dave Rose announce that he is leaving ??
#1 Bergersen is talent we have watched off the bench. Always wondered why he
didn’t get more minutes. Smart to get out while he can.
Rylan Bergersen in my opinion is another one of BYU's players who has quite
a bit of potential but it just hasn't been properly developed. So what
does another transfer mean?I think this may be another indicator
that many of the players lack confidence in the current basketball system and
coaching philosophies. It may be another indicator that the program is in a
crisis mode requiring some strong medicine to treat the symptoms?Personally, I believe the best medicine for this ailing program is a new head
coach who can bring in some new enthusiasm, new strategies and some new
leadership for the players. This old BYU fan is hoping Mr. Tom Holmoe is
following the vibes in the BYU nation and planning to do something bold to shake
things up. C'mon Mr. Holmoe, you can do it! Go Cougs!