When the report does come out who might look ridiculous then? I'll take a
wild guess it won't be Mueller.
Trump's at his games again. He's telling us yes means no and no means
yes. We should see the Mueller report, all his bluster and trickery
If there is a scintilla of positive Trump news in the Mueller report, Trump will
crow about forever.I imagine that might be, "We have not found
any evidence of any Trump criminal wrong-doing that took place on February
@ 2 bits"But they (Russia) also ran attack adds on
Trump."Putin admitted in Helsinki he wanted Trump to win.
Manafort passed polling data to Russian intelligence in Spain. Jared Kushner
wanted to set up a secret "back channel" with Russia during the
transition.Putin wants to create chaos in the United States and
throughout the western world. When you make statements that don't hold up
under scrutiny, I think it's your own way of purposefully creating chaos.
Russia's goal is (and has always been) to discredit our leaders and our
Government.To make Americans question/doubt our leaders and our
Government. They thought (like everyone in the media) the next US President
was going to be Clinton. So of course they focused most of their efforts
discrediting her. Why focus on discrediting someone who's never going to
be President?That's why they focused on distributing
fake-news/bad stories about Clinton. But they also ran attack adds on Trump.
They want us to doubt our leaders.The odd thing is... today Ds are
doing the exact same thing, they seem to have the same goal as Russia (to
discredit and cause as much doubt in our President and our Government as
possible).Isn't that weird?And Rs played the same
game when Obama was President. They had the same goal as the Russians back
then (to discredit and destroy support for our President).Isn't
that weird?I don't understand how Ds can't see that they
are playing into the Russians hands today. Or how Rs couldn't see how
they were doing exactly what the Russians wanted when Obama was President.Does it help America to help destroy support for our President? Or
2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UTMarch 21, 2019 1:23 p.m."Do
you seriously think this investigation would be going on today if Hillary had
won? I don't."Since you are taking us into the land of
speculation, let's get real. If Hillary had been elected president, we
probably would not have these investigations into Donald Trump's affairs
and finances. He would have become irrelevant, although the alleged criminal
activities of Trump may still have become of interest to DOJ, NY AG, and other
law enforcement agencies. But the Robert Mueller special counsel appointment
would not have happened.Have you already forgotten that all this
comes out of the firing of James Comey after he refused to pledge loyalty to
Trump and cease the investigation into Mike Flynn? If Trump had not been
elected, there would not have been a Flynn appointment as national security
adviser and the concern expressed by the acting AG that he was a security risk.
Also, Comey would never have had a meeting with Trump. So no investigation with
the Trump campaign as a focus.We would still have an investigation
into Russian meddling since that was begun long before the election. But who
knows where it would lead?
Thid Barker - Victor, IDMarch 21, 2019 7:48 a.m."The
Mueller "investigation" was nothing more than a Democrat temper tantrum
. . . "Good try, but no cigar. You do know who initiated the
Mueller investigation, don't you? And you haven't forgotten why Roger
Rosenstein brought in Robert Mueller, have you? All that aside, what would you
say if you didn't have Fox News acting as Donald Trump's personal
propaganda machine to cover for him? It appears that wingnut media is trying to
do its best to deride the Mueller investigation, but the American people
overwhelmingly support it unless you only listen to the likes of Sean
Hannity.You do know that Fox is about to undergo some changes,
right? We don't know exactly how, but the new leadership of the network is
not too happy with being a stooge for Trump. Recent articles in the WaPo and
Vanity Fair say that Lachlan Murdoch wants to develop the news side of the
network and get away from the opinion people who are often mistaken by the
viewers as news people. We'll just have to see how this plays
out, but there will always be some placed where you can get your information the
way you like it. The fringe never disappears. They hide.
A response to a reporter's question in the moment has little effect when
you consider this man's history. A "yes" can easily morph into a
"no" in almost an instant depending on his mood and the phase of the
moon. The man of a thousand excuses can say one thing and then the opposite
almost immediately as we've seen many times.However, the
decision is up to the attorney general, who will review the Mueller report and
determine what should be revealed to the public and what should be held
confidential for "national security" purposes. Yes, Donald Trump can
order the report to be released, but saying he has "no problem" is a
long way from an order.This is just more messing with our heads.
It's a game we have found Trump likes to play. He certainly won't
release anything that is critical of himself. After the past years of attacking
Mueller and his team, Trump would be remiss to release something with the
careful documentation that Mueller has assembled getting into the public space.
What would there be if incriminating evidence that only the most die-hard
Trumpie would deny?Finally, as a certifiable liar, how can you
believe anything Trump says? He just lies. That's how it is.
Shouldn't Mueller, Democrats, Hollywood stars, and the media be punished
for all the false misrepresentations of Trump? Defamation of character?Pathetic!
@Thid Barker - Victor, IDIts remarkable how things are so black and
white for the people who cant comprehend once you its explained their like Ooooh
I didnt know so let me slowly break it down for you, Say you need a
take a loan of 3.5 million dollars you obviously are going to be taxed on that
3.5 million lets lets say 5.5%, or $192,000 but you also own a Casino and well
someone comes in a buys 3.5 million on Casino chips and never uses the chips
just leaves the casino and so you end up paying 1.8% instead of the 5.5%, or
$63,000 in taxes for that 3.5 million. A difference of 129k would not call
that tax fraud. Do not see how the IRS wouldn't be able to
track something like on Trumps tax return
@ConservativeCommonTater 11:13You deny the Mueller investigation has
anything to do with Hillary losing the election...---Do you
seriously think this investigation would be going on today if Hillary had won?
I don't.But I bet a different investigation would be going on.
It's the way we are now.===The IRS does have all
Trump's tax returns. And the FBI/Muller can request theses records (from
the IRS) they need for the investigation.Trump doesn't have to
release them. They can get them from the IRS. And I assure you, they have
them. And they have reviewed them. But that doesn't mean they can
expose them to the public. Every citizen's IRS records are private.You can expose them, but the IRS can't.Google
"Disclosure Laws | Internal Revenue Service - IRS.gov"...---"You are probably aware that the law protects your tax return information
from disclosure to other parties by the Internal Revenue Service. IRC Section
6103 prohibits the release of tax information by an IRS employee"...Return information may be shared with law enforcement (with a warrant)
or state agencies responsible for tax administration. But not to the media of
the general public.
@thid barkerHere's conservativecommentator's comment:"The IRS only looks for fraud..."And here's your
response:"The IRS doesn't look for tax fraud? Really? You have no
idea what you are talking about!"Perhaps read more slowly and
diligently before responding to something that was never claimed, then accusing
that person of 'not knowing what they are talking about'.
The IRS doesn't look for tax fraud? Really? You have no idea what you are
Thid Barker - Victor, ID"The Mueller "investigation" was
nothing more than a Democrat temper tantrum for losing the election.
Imagine the massive hissy fit the left will have when President Trump is
re-elected in 2020, partly because of "investigation" backlash!"Still beating the dead horse huh?Thid Barker "quackquack : The IRS has President Trump's tax returns and they are
the only ones entitled to see ANY tax returns! What's the matter,
don't trust the IRS?"The IRS only looks for fraud, they
don't care about $million losses, who Trump got loans from, ie; Russia,
Deutsche Bank, Saudi Arabia. Those might tell a lot about Trump that he
doesn't want the public to see. 2bits"
haven't seen it yet. But I assume part of what's taking so long is the
subjective decision of if there was criminal intent."Mueller
didn't keep you in the loop???Daedalus, Stephen"It
appears that even for a sympathetic crowd, the undeniable incomprehensibility of
what Trump was stunning. Stunning, as in, immobilizing and paralyzing. The crowd
seemed genuinely at a loss for what to say or do. Like they finally realized the
gravity of the crisis America faces."The awakening of America???
@LiaRE: "The end is near for this sham of a presidency"...---Rest assured whatever you and others do to this President... will be
done (possibly by the other side) to the next President. And would have been
done to Hillary Clinton if she had won the election.It's the
way we are today. A divided nation. A nation intent on destroying the other
side.That's not a good thing BTW. And it didn't start
with Trump.Pres Obama got it (with Republicans saying they want to
make him a one-term President, and promising to block his agenda).Pres Bush got it (with Democrats refusing to accept his first election because
Florida was close, and promising he would be a one-term President, and vowing
they would block anything he wanted and would fill his first term with
investigations and attempts to remove him).Pres Clinton also (I
don't have to outline the things partisans did to undermine the President
then, they are very obvious).But everything the
opposition/party-of-no did to each President, was only increased and used by the
other party when the next President took office.Republicans are
learning from what Democrats are doing today. And will do it to whoever's
Nowhere in the words Trump actually said did he commit to ordering the DoJ to
release the Mueller report to the public. It is just the typical incoherent
Trump ramble. Later at his Ohio rally, Trump continued with the meaningless
gibberish. Trump spent 4-5 minutes explaining why he did not like
McCain. The same crowd that had briefly grunted and stomped he used the phrase
"Crooked Hillary" went completely silent as they tried to make sense of
Trump's McCain tangent. Trump was not ranting. Nor was he not
tossing out tired old applause lines or his typical middle-school taunts.
Trump's incoherence could not be chalked up to his usual overheated
demagoguery. So there were no cues for the audience to mindlessly respond as
they normally might. Trump really appeared earnest, as if he fully expected the
listening audience would be able to follow his reasoning and be persuaded of
something. It appears that even for a sympathetic crowd, the
undeniable incomprehensibility of what Trump was stunning. Stunning, as in,
immobilizing and paralyzing. The crowd seemed genuinely at a loss for what to
say or do. Like they finally realized the gravity of the crisis America faces.
the feeble house of cards that is trump life is starting to fall.The end
is near for this sham of a presidency.
'ridiculous' or not... we should see it. At least the parts that
don't compromise National Security.That's part of having
an Open "Government by the people"... we have to see what the government
is doing. Good or bad.We also need enough info to put it all into
context. And to be able to see the agendas of some of the people involved in
the investigation. You can't help having a bias. It's not possible
to not have any bias at all. We all gain biases as we go through life.
It's part of human nature.I haven't seen it yet. But I
assume part of what's taking so long is the subjective decision of if there
was criminal intent. Same as in the Clinton investigation... they decided laws
were broken, but they couldn't prove criminal intent, just sloppy and
"extremely careless" handling of emails containing classified intel.The FBI was under a lot of pressure back then and now. If they found
criminal intent... they could be setting the stage for impeachment of the
presumed next President before she even took office (that looks real bad).They are under similar pressure now. But we need to see it.
The Donald is replacing Hillary with McCain. The absurd shifting of the blame
attempt is not so much a desperate act as unbalanced. The late Senator and Kelly
Anne's husband are the major executive issues, other than golf.
Thid Barker - Victor, IDMarch 21, 2019 9:08 a.m.Marxist: What
is he hiding? Well, according to the IRS, nothing! I dont think you
understand its obvious the IRS has his taxes their the IRS but there a process
of releasing tax to the public to show the public theirs been no shady deals
like tax shelters, loop holes ect ect. The allegation Mueller brought up shows
income and tax paid so If Trump did some shady deals and paid little to no tax,
the income not reported income toavoid paying tax and list goes on on It their job, not the Democrats, to see if he is hiding anything! Innocent
until proven guilty in America, remember? Well that's true unless your name
is Donald Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas or any other person right so when the Right accuse Obama for not being a CItizen were was the
Innocent until proven guilty defen then ? Heres the thing I love
about Trump is all the rhetoric you used against Obama can be applied to Trump
10X over again ...
I wonder just how stupid some people think we are. Especially when they say
something of this nature: "The Mueller 'investigation' was
nothing more than a Democrat temper tantrum for losing the election".Mueller is a Republican. Mueller is supervised by a Trump appointed
Republican. This gentlman, in turn has answered to 3 different Republican
Attorney's General and/or Acting Attorney General. The President calls
himself a Republican, and he appointed the key positions in the Justice
Department to which Mr Mueller must answer.Now, I know that it is a
favorite talking point of the Trump collective to scream Democrat about the
investigation. And, indeed, there are Democrats, long serving Justice
Department Civil Service employees, who are party to some of this investigation.
And there are undoubtedly trusted Republicans that Mueller has on his team as
well. And some we know not of.However, we are not all so foolish as
to believe that the Republican party would sanction a "witch hunt"
(isn't that Trump's favorite descriptor) of their elected President.
Actually, Democrats ought to be up-in-arms that Mr Mueller and his supervisors
might try to whitewash the whole thing.
@Thid "What is he hiding? Well, according to the IRS, nothing!"There's clearly some stuff Trump doesn't want the public, like
you and me, to know. What is it? Every other presidential candidate the last
40 years has had no problem showing their returns. What doesn't Trump want
us to know?
"Since he will have no say over whether the report is made public in full or
not, he he has nothing at risk in calling for it to be released."We can't be sure of that. Just wait.Soon we will be hearing
that it can't be released because of "issues with national
security."Or "executive privilege."Or
because "Mueller was dishonest."Or "all of them were
lying."Or "it was really crooked Hillary."Or
"it was lying Ted Cruz"Or "it was a witch-hunt."Or "the FBI is crooked."Or "the Iranians were
behind it."Or "Gary Cohen did or didn't do it?"Or "They were all out to get me from the beginning."Or "I had the biggest and best crowd at my inaugural."Or
"Look at what the economy is doing."Or "but I'm the
bestest president there ever was."Or "the media has been
lying all this time."Or "they were all colluding against
ME"Or (. fill in the blank with any other excuse you can think
Marxist: What is he hiding? Well, according to the IRS, nothing! It their job,
not the Democrats, to see if he is hiding anything! Innocent until proven guilty
in America, remember? Well that's true unless your name is Donald Trump,
Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas or any other person Democrats don't like.
They are all about guilt by accusation, no proof needed!
Does this guy even have a job?
@Thid "The IRS has President Trump's tax returns and they are the only
ones entitled to see ANY tax returns! "So for the umpteenth
time, we ask "what's he hiding?"
"Let it come out, let people see it," Trump told reporters as he left
the White House on Wednesday for a trip to Ohio. "Let's see whether or
not it's legit."____________________Trump will waste no
time in letting us know whether it's legit or fake. Since he will have no
say over whether the report is made public in full or not, he he has nothing at
risk in calling for it to be released.
Yeah, suuure he's for it. Until he's not. Just like releasing his
taxes and wanting to "sit down with Mueller and his investigators".
Then, he, and his lawyers did everything possible to avoid sitting down with
Mueller. Trump knows that 93% of Americans, including 88% of Republicans, want
to see the report. But, now, Trump and his lawyers will work to quash the report
being seen by anyone. Trump goes to great lengths to keep his grades and
transcripts from being made public. He's really going to pull out all the
stops to keep this hushed up.
This is what he says today.What will he say tomorrow?This is just one more in a long, long, long list of trump lies and
diversions."I'll release my tax returns after the
election.""Mexico will pay for the wall.""I was a top student.""I'm a stable
genius.""There was no collusion."The list is
endless . . . . . And absolutely nauseating.
quackquack : The IRS has President Trump's tax returns and they are the
only ones entitled to see ANY tax returns! What's the matter, don't
trust the IRS?
" public should see 'ridiculous' Mueller report" Yes but then
the Public should see your tax returns like ALL other president before you. Still can believe people elected a president who wont show their tax
The Mueller "investigation" was nothing more than a Democrat temper
tantrum for losing the election, a failed attempt to overturn an election, a
demonstration of Democrat hypocrisy and corruption! Imagine the massive hissy
fit the left will have when President Trump is re-elected in 2020, partly
because of "investigation" backlash! Brace yourselves America, the
Democrats are really, really angry because YOU don't believe them anymore!
If the yet unwritten and unreleased Mueller report is so "ridiculous",
why is Trump obsessing about it? Let's look at it and then make our
judgments. There is no need to attack McCain for giving it to the FBI (that was
exactly the right thing to do), nor attack Mueller for doing his job (in a very
professional manner), nor attack any other messenger or other public servant.
If Trump and his team did nothing wrong, they should not fear. But if they did,
it is owed to the country that there are consequences.
What is "ridiculous" is Trump, a lifetime believer in non-disclosure
agreements who believes he can freely operate outside of the law, believes he
will somehow attract more followers in 2020.
Well into the third year of his presidency, Trump seemed to be running out of
steam. He probably never really cared about actually solving any problems or
saving any jobs, but he put a good bit of time into making it seem like he did.
It doesn't take a lot of insight to tell that his heart was never in it
though. This week, however, we got to see old-school Trump, Trump when he's
at his happiest and doing what he love more than anything in the world: