Dick Harmon: Longtime high school coach Golden Holt can relate to losses by coaches like BYU's Dave Rose

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  • oldballcoach67 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    3 things;
    First, it’s funny how he mentions not having the stress of signing recruits like Coach Rose does. He may not have had to actually sign them, but When over the last 5 years or so, only a handful of players on his teams actually lived within Oren’s boundaries, you can’t tell me he wasn’t recruiting. And for those who want to argue, I heard him say this information himself.
    Second, the article touts the claim he’s a volunteer. He very well may have volunteered, and may not be accepting payment from the district, but you don’t assemble the staff he has had over the last several years without compensation. It’s called Vivant CEO influence and money.
    Third, he does accept responsibility for what happened in that game vs Bear River, But the behavior that was exhibited in that game was not that out of character for that program and school. That school’s football, basketball, and baseball programs have constantly show unsportsmanlike behavior for years now. The football program has probably had more unsportsmanlike penalties in the last few years than any other program in the state. Culture of a program and within a school must be intentionally taught and constantly reinforced.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    March 21, 2019 4:53 a.m.

    Rose needs to get energized, show some passion and reinvent himself. Recruiting is very lack luster. And team stars are selfish. Need some JC stars right away- not going to happen with this coach. Not enough passing and too many wild out of control forced shots whether in the middle or on the outside. No defense and very few real athletes. Too much favoritism. Too many departures. Too many blown games against weak teams. Hardnet was unfairly punished; benched immediately after mistakes, while favored star(s) are given every chance to succeed at the expense of the team despite several horrendously bad games on both sides of the ball. Taken to the rack so many times you cannot even count them. Just the way I see it. Giving up on Rose. Used to really like him, but I think some of his assistant coaches like Rice and Shroyer heavily coached the team in the past. Just my conclusion. Team was much better last year with some defensive emphasis and less free wheeling style. Not the kids faults; they are allowed to play that way. Tired of losing good players and lack of team play, which is tolerated by Rose.

  • Lehi Reader ,
    March 20, 2019 3:55 p.m.

    Keep Coach Rose? Let him go? I'm not sure which is the right answer. I just know that I don't watch much BYU basketball anymore. There are more enjoyable things to do.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    The unique challenge at BYU is finding capable coaches who meet the religious requirements to work at the school. That qualification alone discounts 99% of coaches in this country. Perhaps Dave Rose is the best BYU can find at the moment, but it's clear that a malaise has set in. Call it "complacency" or whatever but mediocrity is the new normal in BYU basketball.

    And, as a suggestion, there are good players OUTSIDE of Utah country to recruit. Just sayin'...

  • rickdoctor Chandler, AZ
    March 20, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    The world is our campus... I'm pretty sure Dave Rose goes to campus every day but never reads that sign... Why doesn't he recruit around the world? There's talent everywhere...
    Are there some donors who are influencing where the basketball recruits are coming from??????

  • Craig Coleman Santaquin, UT
    March 20, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    I think Dave Rose should stay as coach and I am glad he signed a contract extension last year. He has won more games than any other BYU coach except Stan Watts. His win total is seventh among active Division I coaches. He has the highest winning percentage of any BYU men's basketball coach. Keep up the good work Coach Rose.

  • H8Red Centerville, UT
    March 20, 2019 12:44 a.m.

    Yes, sometimes we inexplicably lose in sports as well as in life. A college coach has a lot more control then any high school coach does.

    A high school coach has not recruited every player in his program. He can't really control who does or does not live in his schools boundary. Yes in today's high school sports, kids have a lot more say about where they play then in the past, but most kids play where they live.

    In my opinion, BYU basketball program has a steady decline over of the past 5 or 6 years, and i think it can be attributed to recruiting. Smaller schools in the WCC seem to recruit pretty well, even foreign athletes.

    I just think BYU needs to be willing to recruit better. But I don't think they are up to the challenge at this point.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    March 20, 2019 12:06 a.m.

    A program with no positive energy, no good recruits coming or willing to come, no good players willing to stay, not one conference championship in the WCC, and a fan base that is leaving in droves.....does that sound like a program that just had one bad game at the tournament? Hardly! The program needs new coaching, new hope and new leadership. Every coach can relate to an occasional bad game...but that platitude dismisses the real significant problems that have been slowly sinking this ship for the last few years. Please retire Dave, with some dignity.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    March 19, 2019 8:37 p.m.

    Dave knows Timpview, Lone Peak and Bingham.

    Meanwhile a RM Sam Merrill who did not prep at Timpview, Lone Peak or Bingham will lead the Aggies in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament.

    C'est la vie.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 19, 2019 4:05 p.m.

    I second the thought that after 9 successful years coaching in Orem that Holt barely knows Dave Rose and has no relationship with him. It confirms to me that recruiting and networking have become lax.

  • deseret pete Springville, UT
    March 19, 2019 4:02 p.m.

    Well said coach !!

  • slackoff green river, WY
    March 19, 2019 3:47 p.m.

    I find it interesting that a college coach does not know or have a relationship with a hs coach a few miles down the road, especially a successful hs coach.