Heat records falling twice as often as cold ones, AP finds

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  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    @jsf
    Contrary to what a bunch of politicians are saying, the IPCC isn't saying that 1.5C means the world is ruined. There's nothing special about 1.5C (or 2.0C), global warming steadily shifts things more and more the higher it goes. It doesn't flip a switch where 1.45 is fine but 1.55 is The Day After Tomorrow. 1.5C is predicted to lead to extensive destruction of coral reefs, increases in coastal flooding and heavy precipitation events, and decreases in crops along the tropics with increasing heat waves. Much of that is already happening, it'd just get worse with 1.5C and even worse if (well, when) we go even higher.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    @jsf
    "AOC and other provocateurs, have said we have 12 years until the world ends in climate apocalypse, of course she based it on an IPCC report. But major problem like all climate alarmists of things that will happen and have not happened. We are one year into the time period and they are still quoting 12 years. They won't start the clock count down because it is a hoax. "

    The timeline is 2030 so depending on whether you include that year or not in your counting you get 11 or 12 years. The IPCC is just saying that that is the deadline to make massive changes to keep warming limited to 1.5C over pre-industrial temperatures (this includes the time it takes for temperatures to stabilize after getting emissions under control, getting to 1.5C is predicted to be between 2030-2052). For reference, the current record holder, 2016, is considered to be 1.1C over pre-industrial.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2019 5:27 p.m.

    Thid: “Thank goodness we have fossil fuels, the only thing keeping millions from freezing to death…”

    Fossil fuels, by definition, are finite. There are no more Carboniferous forests lying down to form coal. Finite fuels run out. There are renewable carbon based fuels from Holocene sources that are kinda similar to coal and oil (wood, ethanol, algal diesel), but those are biofuels, not fossil fuels.

    A simple question: How long do you want/expect a sophisticated, technological, industrial human society (i.e. modern civilization) to exist? Call that X.

    Second question: At expected rates of consumption, how long will fossil fuels last? Call that Y.

    Third: Is X greater than or less than Y?

    If X is greater than Y, how do you plan to keep millions from freezing to death in the period after Y?

    Technological innovations like fracking can stretch fossil fuel supplies, but ultimately they will be gone. Maybe we will burn them all. More likely, as fossil fuels reserves become more distant and dispersed, we will reach a point where it takes a unit of energy input to produce a unit of fossil fuel output and there will be simply no point in getting it out of the ground.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 19, 2019 3:00 p.m.

    Seems to me that the Global Warming alarmists are trying too hard. When they express what they would do about it, how much it would cost, and with how much effect on warming their efforts would have, I would be a bit more receptive, perhaps.

    They seem to tend to be of a mind like AOC, that the world will end in 12 years due to Global Warming. As for me, well, I will take my chances. . . after all I would be 92 then.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    First of all we are still in a glacial age, remember when New York was under a mile thick sheet of ice. The oceans were 400 feet lower. Civilization crossed a land bridge from Siberia to Alaska. Science has told us the time period around 900 AD was warmer than it is now. Then we had the mini Ice age.

    The article fails to recognize the obvious. If the earth has been warming the past 20,000 years, you will have more warmer readings on average than you would have colder readings. If the opposite were true we would be getting colder.

    Note to self. AOC and other provocateurs, have said we have 12 years until the world ends in climate apocalypse, of course she based it on an IPCC report. But major problem like all climate alarmists of things that will happen and have not happened. We are one year into the time period and they are still quoting 12 years. They won't start the clock count down because it is a hoax.

    Per the clock where at eleven years until the end.

    Remember the Artic would be ice free by now. Polar bears would be extinct by now. (More now than in the past sixty years.) Remember the US would be one big drought with crops failing.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    @thid barker
    "Remember a few decades ago when liberals predicted we would have "acid rain" killing the forests and jungles of the Amazon and would destroy crops worldwide? What ever happened to that prediction?"

    What happened? We implemented regulations both nationally and internationally to reduce emissions of sulfur dioxide an nitrogen dioxide from the burning of coal. The net result was a substantial reduction of both contributors to acid rain, and a subsequent reduction of acid rain levels globally.

    There's a fair amount of irony that your chosen example runs counter to your many claims that man cannot change/change the weather, since humans created acid rain, and through control measures humans have since reduced acid rain.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    Thid Barker asked: "Remember a few decades ago when liberals predicted we would have "acid rain" killing the forests and jungles of the Amazon and would destroy crops worldwide? What ever happened to that prediction? "

    Anything with a pH level of below 7 is considered acidic. While even "clean" rain has a pH of 5.5 (due to the normal atmospheric carbon dioxide which reacts with the rain to form carbonic acid), precipitation with pH levels as low as 2 were measured in the US and Europe in the 1980s.

    The brunt of it is that acid rain went away because we curbed our sulfur dioxide emissions. Under the United States Environmental Protection Agency's (USEPA) Acid Rain Program, Title IV of the Clean Air Act, the government established a cap regulating the amount of sulfur we could emit, in an effort to reduce emissions to 10M tons below 1980 levels.

    You know back when we had scientists in the EPA instead of coal lobbyists shills.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    @Thid Barker
    Of course it's not final. In the last 3 decades we haven't really narrowed in on how much warming there is with a doubling of CO2 (still 1.5-4C depending on feedbacks, the uncertainty largely with clouds and aerosols). Some things in the IPCC report still have low certainty attached to them like whether there'd be a substantial change in tornadoes with global warming (there's signs of shifts in locations towards the east and warming would tend to make them less uncommon in northern areas in winter, but also overall the trend in large ones has been slightly downward). But there's a difference in saying that science evolves and categorically rejecting a field of science because you don't like what the results are pointing to. We understand enough about the climate to know the greenhouse effect exists, that more greenhouse gases lead to a net warming, and that the recent spike in greenhouse gases is without precedent and the result of human activity. There's things we don't know about the climate, but the range of uncertainty is not such where it's reasonable to think the fundamental atmospheric basics are wrong.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    at long last. . . said: "Happy Valley Heretic - Really? Then I guess the Little Ice Age just didn't happen several hundred years ago, right?"

    It did, have you read why? I have, and understand what they believe the cause was, it was also localized to Europe and Northern North America. But why would you bring this up, I mean science found this out and continues to search for concrete reasons. Since it's the same science, that says we're experiencing a quickly changing climate now why do you believe one and not the other?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "Remember a few decades ago when liberals predicted we would have "acid rain" killing the forests and jungles of the Amazon and would destroy crops worldwide? What ever happened to that prediction? "

    Stronger pollution regulations.

    Same reason we don't have rivers catching on fire.

    Same reason why we don't hear about the ozone hole much since after the Montreal Protocol led to the phasing out of CFCs the ozone hole stabilized in the 90s and has slowly improved since.

    Same reason why our wintertime air pollution isn't any worse now than it was in the 70s despite rapid population growth, because we made things cleaner along the way.

    We have used regulation to deal with various environmental problems in the past that had human components and they have been effective.

    @at long last
    "It also is not evidence of anything abnormal or of the degree of impact of humans on the climate."

    Attribution studies point overwhelmingly to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions as by far the strongest contributor to warming in the past century. You can't increase the second most important GHG by a third and not have an impact.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 19, 2019 10:23 a.m.

    Remember a few decades ago when liberals predicted we would have "acid rain" killing the forests and jungles of the Amazon and would destroy crops worldwide? What ever happened to that prediction? Then we were told there are too many humans and the earth could not sustain the increases of human population and there will be mass starvation? Seems every 10 years or so they forecast another climate catastrophe that never happens! Thank goodness we have fossil fuels, the only thing keeping millions from freezing to death just so we can die from 'global warming'....in 12 years!

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 19, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    Happy Valley Heretic - Really? Then I guess the Little Ice Age just didn't happen several hundred years ago, right?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 19, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    at long last. . . said: "The fact that the world is in a gradual warming trend over the past few decades is not news."

    Because it usually takes a thousands of years for such fluctuation. Not decades, but why trust science when we have the smartest partisan hacks and industry paid shills money can buy saying the opposite?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 19, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    Everything we think we know about any science, including climate science will eventually be proven completely wrong or at least very incomplete! As our grandparent's science is to us, so will our science be to our grandchildren. Anyone who tries to tell you their science is final, is no scientist!

  • JLindow St. George, UT
    March 19, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    You can lead some readers to science, but you can't make them think.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 19, 2019 8:55 a.m.

    I read (not reported by the Associated Press) that there is more ice on the Great Lakes this winter than in the previous 10 years and that Lake Superior is 95% ice covered, the most in 5 years! Thankfully we have fossil fuels, the only thing keeping millions of people from freezing to death! Death by freezing or death by 'global warming' in 12 years! Wow, now that is a real irony!

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    And in other news:

    The world is flat.

    Man did not land on the moon.

    Vaccinations are deadly.

    Airliners need Einstein to fly them.

    North Korea is no longer a threat.

    Putin is our friend.

    You get into USC on merit alone.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 19, 2019 7:24 a.m.

    The fact that the world is in a gradual warming trend over the past few decades is not news. It also is not evidence of anything abnormal or of the degree of impact of humans on the climate.