Senate slaps down Trump border emergency; Republicans defect

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  • One Voice Provo, UT
    March 19, 2019 6:10 a.m.

    The vote that led to the president's veto is meaningless without the congress voting to overturn his veto. Our country's constitutional foundation is more than eroded by the president's actions, it is made into a weapon to wield authority where never intended and lend power to undeserving officials.

    Indeed, the president has no moral authority. Why grant him formal authority to carry out both a failed promise (Mexico will not pay) and a failed concept (the wall stops immigration). We are a nation that should be smart enough and wise enough to manage people's desire to flee despots and crime by coming to our great land. Like most of the policies through executive order in this presidency, they are ill-conceived, selfish, borne of paranoia, lacking in decency and value of others. We are better than this. The Wall is a symbol of all that is wrong in our nation. VETO the VETO.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:51 a.m.

    jeclar2006 - Oceanside, CA

    "Since I have lived all of my life within 60 miles of the border, I must be the most unlucky observer on the earth, since I have never seen any of taking advantage of the system to level mongered by anti-immigration advocates."

    "On the other hand homelessness of citizens is a national emergency."

    I guess the fact that they are here illegally doesn't enter into your Point of View? How about all the other crimes they commit while working here...illegally, or the theft of identities of others?

    Yes, we have a lot of homeless people here. We don't need more and landlords don't want 3 families living in a single family residence.

    Perhaps if you thought about the impact illegals have on America and it's citizens instead of supporting illegals, our citizens might have a better chance.

    BTW, is it just illegal Hispanics that you support? Wouldn't that make you a racist? Advocating for one race over others?

    worf - McAllen, TX

    @Prometheus Platypus,

    "Don't believe everything you hear."

    Yet YOU do, if it comes from right wing sources. Ironic how your logic comes back to bite you.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    March 15, 2019 11:02 p.m.

    Trump never had a mandate from the electorate. Remember he did not win by a majority of the popular vote, but only through the electoral college.

    Trump could have come into office and attempted in earnest to work with Democrats, but instead he used hateful rhetoric time and time again.

    When he had the majority in both houses he should have gotten his funding then, but no he chose to give a huge tax break to corporations and the wealthy - leaving us with a $1 Trillion deficit. He and the GOP decided to attach Obamacare, but gave us nothing better.

    2016 Elections should have been a wake up call fro the GOP. Well the chickens are coming home to roost now - get ready!

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    UTEG - Taylorsville, UT

    "How can Americans tolerate not doing anything to stop the migration of illegals to this country if they want to be citizens go about it the the proper way . Its all good until one of your family members dies of drug overdose or gets killed by illegal immigrant Trump never ever said they could not come to America. But they bring the criminals, cartel and drugs with them fix your problems in your own country's. God knows we have enough problems with our own !"

    A wall is not going to stop many illegals or drugs from getting here. They mostly come in through airports and harbors.

    Besides, Mexicans can build tunnels for less money than Trump can get to build a wall

    Puukko Orem - , 00
    March 14, 2019 3:35 p.m.
    President Trump tried to secure the border by any means possible. Chuck and Nancy win, we all lose. This will hurt dems. Trump 2020

    It's more like it will be Trump..."20 to life."

    Hutterite - American Fork, UT
    March 14, 2019 9:55 p.m.
    Trump IS the national emergency.

    Trump is a National Disaster that even FEMA can't help us with.

  • Harrier84 Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2019 3:05 p.m.

    jeclar2006 - Oceanside, CA

    Living only near the border means you really do have limited experience. I'm from SoCal also and lived there for 30 years, but I have also lived on the east coast and in between. I speak fluent Spanish and I have listened to countless conversations carried on in Spanish when they thought none of the "gueros" around them could understand. You would be shocked at the derogatory remarks many make about Americans and America. You would be dismayed at the ingratitude and feelings of entitlement many express. This includes many hotel workers.

    Are you aware that in many places Americans can't get jobs at these hotels due to the ubiquitous illegal alien? It would be nice if travelers could be more concerned about their displaced fellow Americans than they are for illegal aliens. And yes, many of these Americans are willing to work for lower wages.

    The only mongering going on is by those who refuse to admit that there are severe, sometimes fatal, consequences for many Americans with the levels of illegals we have in this country. I'm glad for you that you have not had to experience any of these consequences yet. Many others have.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    March 15, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    Harrier84 - Bountiful, UT
    ---
    This type of reasoning leaves me almost speechless. They don't work for free. Many of them don't work at all. Many of them have the gall to get mad when food pantries here in Utah are out of food because they've stripped them clean. This I've seen with my own eyes.
    ---

    Since you mentioned your experiences, obviously I don't live in Utah, but when I visit, having a rudimentary capability of Spanish is a benefit when interacting with hotel service staff, as is the case almost anywhere that I visit in the Western US.

    As for the 'pantry'. The one I donate usually at least once a month, is right in the middle of a community which has a predominantly Spanish speaking contingent (one can tell because the stores all have signage in Spanish, and workers who haltingly speak English), and what I don't see at the 'pantry' are many of the Spanish speaking community.

    Since I have lived all of my life within 60 miles of the border, I must be the most unlucky observer on the earth, since I have never seen any of taking advantage of the system to level mongered by anti-immigration advocates.

    On the other hand homelessness of citizens is a national emergency.

  • Harrier84 Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    jeclar2006 - Oceanside, CA
    "What if someone 'broke' into your house, cleaned it from top to bottom, laundered your family's entire wardrobe, and had dinner on the table when you returned... all for the price of having the opportunity to live in relative safety, and having such opportunities."

    This type of reasoning leaves me almost speechless. They don't work for free. Many of them don't work at all. Many of them have the gall to get mad when food pantries here in Utah are out of food because they've stripped them clean. This I've seen with my own eyes.

  • Harrier84 Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    How many times do we have to hear "If this was a true emergency"? And then be told if it was real there would be 100,000 soldiers at the border. What nonsense. A wall is the single most effective, proven and logical first step to take. A wall doesn't fire tear gas. A wall doesn't shoot people.

    As for those claiming this is not an emergency..please detail for us what would constitute an emergency. Exactly how many crimes have to be committed? Exactly how many billions of dollars do American taxpayers have to pay? Exactly how many illegal alien criminals do we have to house in our prisons? I could go on and on. Please give us something concrete, and not just "there's no emergency".

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    March 15, 2019 1:01 p.m.

    Copybook Headings - Draper, UT
    ---
    If ten people broke into your house in 2006 you lock your doors. If only one did it this year do you leave your doors unlocked?
    ---

    What if someone 'broke' into your house, cleaned it from top to bottom, laundered your family's entire wardrobe, and had dinner on the table when you returned... all for the price of having the opportunity to live in relative safety, and having such opportunities.

    That is the analogy to use for 99% of those crossing the border, from any direction, legal or not.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    March 15, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    "What we do have us a President who is trying to protect us, our children, and grandchildren by controlling who enters our beloved country."

    Fine... but then do it honestly.... and within the law.... and get broad support.

    The wall by itself will help.... but it is a multi-billion dollar bandaid and ignoring the causes.... is all that it is. The problem will continue, and just fester in other areas. Suppose we do seal off the entire southern side of the US, it still doesn't solve the problem.

    Our biggest "drug" problem right now is opioids. And the majority of those are coming in to the nation via Asia. No wall is going to stop that. Our violence issue isn't coming from 1st generation immigrants, but the kids of those immigrants who are outside of the system from the day they take their first breath. We make them second or third class residents of this nation, so of course they resort to crime. Its the same story for people who are citizens of this nation. Poverty breeds crime.

    Fix real problems. The wall can be part of it. But minus broader immigration reform, its just going to force the problem to show up somewhere else.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 15, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    Herbert could you please tell the parents of the 113 students who were injured or killed in school shootings last year we don't have a gun problem.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    March 15, 2019 10:47 a.m.

    "How can Americans tolerate not doing anything to stop the migration of illegals to this country "

    I know... because a wall is the "only" solution. If this were a true "emergency", why don't we have 100,000 troops along our border securing it? Or 200,000? Or what ever the number is. If we are being "invaded", why aren't we acting like were being invaded? Double, Triple the number of border security people we have. Provide more jobs. Walls don't arrest human traffickers, people do.

    The wall can be part of a solution. No doubt. But if this is an emergency, deploy troops to the area in mass like it is an emergency. Build military outpost like they did when the west was being settled. This isn't really about an "emergency", else the White House would be acting like it is an emergency. 10,000 or 15,000 troops to the border was symbolic. Want to close off the border, do it for real with resources we have today, that are paid for already. Show us how real it is.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    March 15, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    Spokane Ute, I understand your disappointment. But there is a very, very simple solution to all of this. It doesn't involve congressional appropriation, theft of money from military projects, or issues with US environmental regulations.

    All Trump has to do is to use his oft-bragged about negotiating ability to get Mexico to build a wall---on THEIR side of the border.

    It's so simple. It fulfills his promise, and it solves this alleged emergency. I cannot understand why nobody here has suggested it.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 15, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus,

    Don't believe everything you hear.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    March 15, 2019 8:35 a.m.

    worf said: "The biggest threat to America comes from within."

    I agree did you hear the president threatening violence against those who oppose him?

    'I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad,' -Trump

    Some folks are dictator ready.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    March 15, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    Please tell the military families Trump will be taking dollars from their pay checks them to build a wall that doesn't work .. doubt they will agree with you.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    March 15, 2019 7:29 a.m.

    BYUalum - South Jordan, UT, I'd like you to privide any statistics that show that the border is where most of the crime, drugs and violence comes from. Any? How many acts of violence have been by immigrants? How many by white supremist? Radical right wing?

    Fact, more people have been stopped at the Canadien border than the Mexican border on the watch list.

    So BYU, where's your support for building a wall on the northern border? Will Canada pay for that too?

    False facts to support a false "emergency" by a President who can not tell the truth isn't enough to just say anymore. Honest people can easily check these daily false facts. Not that difficult.

    We have had enough of the low effort thinking of supporting Trump at all costs. Including losing any moral high ground that Trump supporters think they have. They have lost credibility just as if they signed the checks to Stormy Daniels.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    March 15, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    @Impartial

    Please tell the family of the woman recently (allegedly) murdered in San Jose, California by an illegal alien that these are "rash" actions by President Trump.

    Doubt if they will agree with you.

    What we do have us a President who is trying to protect us, our children, and grandchildren by controlling who enters our beloved country.

    So thankful for a President who makes valid and important campaign promises and then works to keep them in spite of others' efforts to the contrary.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    March 15, 2019 7:05 a.m.

    @Fully

    Well, so many of us seemed to be OK with President Trump's immediate predecessor using his pen and phone to exercise his "dictatorial" authority.

    Guess what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander after all.

    Go figure.

    🤔

  • RJohnson Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2019 6:36 a.m.

    @BYUalum

    “Shame on these 12 Rep Senators for not supporting our great President.”

    Shame on all who think Trump is a great president.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 15, 2019 5:20 a.m.

    "Senate slaps down Trump border emergency; Republicans defect"

    Defect. They didn't vote their beliefs/conscience. They "defected."

    Sigh. I recognize that this word does accurately reflect our current reality, but I wish we wouldn't encourage it as if it's our only choice. Blind, unthinking loyalty is not the best we humans can do.

  • formerutahn-1 Saline, MI
    March 15, 2019 5:19 a.m.

    @2bits:
    I agree, we need border security. I agree, that it's been talked about for years. You're missing the point. It's disingenuous to declare a national emergency citing as a cause, at least in part, is a humanitarian crisis, then do nothing to address said crisis. Securing the border, in whatever form it takes, addresses a long term problem, and is very much needed. However, if there truly is a humanitarian crisis, typically defined as armed conflicts, natural disasters, refugee crisis, etc., then let's address that first. If it's a security crisis (it probably is), then call it that and deal with that appropriately. To call it a humanitarian crisis smacks of dishonesty in an attempt to tug at America's heart strings to garner support. I don't necessarily disagree with the premise that we need a wall. I just don't like being lied to in order to get it. And I've never liked the concept of governance by executive order. It gives the president too much power.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    March 15, 2019 4:54 a.m.

    @silo - Sandy, UT
    "Additional wall was clearly needed in 2006. Additional wall is clearly not needed now."

    If ten people broke into your house in 2006 you lock your doors. If only one did it this year do you leave your doors unlocked?

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    March 15, 2019 4:06 a.m.

    Twelve Republican senators voted against Donald Trump's vanity project. Not that they opposed the purpose of his power grab, but because of their fear of what would happen if precedent were set and a Democrat became president and used this new power for a progressive purpose.

    What is not mentioned is that use of such executive action to usurp the authority of Congress to make funding decisions would cause all types of havoc with the budget to get a project funded. Since most everyone realizes (except for the few Trump stalwarts who get their information directly from Fox News about the fantastical crisis in Trump's mind) this boondoggle is just a bunch of malarkey, we will see how the Congress addresses this after Trump vetoes the bill. Then the work will begin notwithstanding the reprimand Trump got yesterday at the hands of Republicans fed up with his shenanigans.

    Now a court in Miami has allowed a woman to continue with her lawsuit against Trump which will only make association with him more of an electoral disadvantage except in the reddest of states. Each day bodes ill for him, his family, and his phony business practices. It appears that everyone who comes near gets tarred.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 15, 2019 1:16 a.m.

    The biggest threat to America comes from within.

    Silly cycle-----civilizations will fight a corrupt government for freedom and prosperity than later beg for the same government control they once fought against.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 14, 2019 11:04 p.m.

    Hopefully the curtain is being pulled back enough to see that Trump really is not the all powerful wizard. He really is a terrible negotiator. He isn't a stable politician or person. He has very thin skin, susceptible to insults. He hires and pays lots of money to people to maintain his luster. But some of his varnish has come off now. Hopefully when he vetoes this bill, the Senate will take up a new bill with 60+ votes to override his veto--doing their jobs to sustain and defend the US Constitution.

    The president cannot declare a national emergency to reappropriate more money to fulfill a campaign promise. There is a real need at the border for a wall, but acquiring the money to build the wall must be done in partnership with Congress.

    Mr President, you & your party lost the House in 2018. Why did you not pass law to build the wall before 2018? The reality now is Americans voted in a Democratic House and a Republican Senate. You must work with Congress to create a law through compromise. If it cannot be done, you must take your case to the American voter. This is American politics. We don't simply crumple, tear up or burn the Constitution to get what you want.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 10:49 p.m.

    BYUalum - South Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2019 8:38 p.m.
    Shame on these 12 Rep Senators for not supporting our great President.

    Trump will veto this and build the wall. This IS a national emergency!

    I'm assuming you are ok with the next Democratic president doing this with whatever their obsession or issue is? When you let Trump set a precendence with this you are setting it up for the next president to do the same thing. You have to think about the long term ramifications.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 14, 2019 10:37 p.m.

    ...If the president doesn't like his inability to get more money for a wall, he must convince voters to either get their Congress men and woman to give him the money he wants, or convince the voters to elect people more favorable to a wall to get what he wants. But he should not simply break the law or ignore the Constitution simply to fulfill a campaign promise.

    Again, if this were Hillary or Obama doing this, conservatives would be going crazy (I am sure some Democrat will argue that conservatives are already crazy).

    Look, I am a conservative. This used to mean, to more of us conservatives, that we upheld, embraced, and appreciated the Constitution as the foundational law of the US. What has happened to Conservatives?

    Winning at all cost is not winning for very long. We must win the right way. Ignoring the Constitution will create anarchy.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 14, 2019 10:33 p.m.

    Supporting a wall does not mean we must cede unprecedented power to the executive branch. If Obama were doing this conservatives would be up in arms.

    I support a wall along the Southern border. This does not mean I support ignoring the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers created a system that makes it difficult to govern and get things done--to do so requires a genuinely broad base of support. Current the current political environment is quite toxic, but this is not an excuse to tear the Constitution up and play king of the hill--whoever is at the top has all power...for today. But tomorrow, your opponent may be king of the hill with all power. This is not good governance.

    Being for this resolution, meaning voting to oppose Trump's emergency declaration to get more money for a wall, does not mean one is against a border wall. It simply means one is in favor of the Constitution. Just a few weeks ago Congress appropriated money for the border--not the amount Trump wanted, and there are strings attached. But ignoring the Constitution, the law of the land, is not the way to get more money.

    Congress appropriates money. The president signs law.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 14, 2019 9:55 p.m.

    Trump IS the national emergency.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    March 14, 2019 9:49 p.m.

    @04/13/2014

    "Since Congress will not do their job..."

    Actually, the power of the purse belongs to the Congress (Article I, Section 9, Clause 7, US Constitution). They did their job.

    "The President have to go around them to secure our borders."

    A power not granted him anywhere in the Constitution.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2019 8:38 p.m.

    Shame on these 12 Rep Senators for not supporting our great President.

    Trump will veto this and build the wall. This IS a national emergency!

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    March 14, 2019 7:57 p.m.

    It looks like the Senators from both parties have forgotten that this was the big stick Trump beat them with to win the election. And Democrats have mastered the sleight of hand by convincing the Senate Republicans that Trump has overstepped his constitutional bounds while panning the gross constitutional abuses by Obama. The border crisis has only worsened since 2016. Oppose Trump on principle at your own political peril.

  • ScottChristianBauer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 7:14 p.m.

    I believe this is the first substantive step of genuine Republicans to turn their backs on Trump and take their party back ... and it's loooong overdue.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    March 14, 2019 5:44 p.m.

    @2 bits
    "It just became a Sin to build border walls recently. "

    It didn't "become a sin", and there's no justification in resorting to hyperbole.

    Research the number of southern border crossings in 2006 and compare those numbers to 2018. Note the difference. Additional wall was clearly needed then. Additional wall is clearly not needed now.

    Research the growth of illegals in the US prior to 2006. Note the linear and increasing growth for the decades leading up to 2006. Research the same numbers from 2006 to 2018. Note that the number dropped substantially after 2007 and has remained level ever since. Additional wall was clearly needed in 2006. Additional wall is clearly not needed now.

    "President Obama said we had an emergency on border when we had the "unaccompanied minor crisis" on the border when he was President"

    Absolutely. The number of unaccompanied minors at the border DOUBLED from one month to the next. Clearly that massive a spike justified it as a crisis. There's not remotely a similar spike in any aspect of immigration during Trump's administration. Not to mention there was no emergency in Trump's eyes until Democrats took control of the House.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    March 14, 2019 5:20 p.m.

    No defection.... they just voted their conscience. HUGE difference. They are still Republicans. They still want border security. They even still want a wall.... just not this way.

    It is too bad back in the 1940's more congress people didn't vote their conscience - it they had there probably would not have been Topaz, nor the taking of 120,000 peoples property without compensation. It takes a lot more strength to vote your conscience then it does to just vote to get along.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    March 14, 2019 5:10 p.m.

    So, where does this leave us?
    Trump is still president.
    The border still leaks like a sieve, and getting worse.
    Immigration laws are being broken every moment of every day in every state of the union.

    Lee and Romney must be very proud of themselves, taking this bold stand.

    If only they would have enough courage to address the problem.

  • durwood kirby , 00
    March 14, 2019 5:00 p.m.

    We can perhaps slowly begin to see the cloud over the Trump presidency lift. More, please.

  • Boberino Farmington, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:52 p.m.

    The national emergency is in congress as well as the southern border. I am disappointed with the votes cast by the twelve Republicans who should know better. I am particularly disappointed with Senators Lee and Romney. Any senator who claims they were voting for the constitution is turning a blind eye to the serious problem that our country faces with regard to illegal immigration. President Trump is well within his rights to declare an emergency with regard to a problem congress has utterly failed to on over and over and over again. I can say one thing; special interests seeking cheap labor have way more clout in Washington than any of us regular folk have any inkling of.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    There's a crack in the schism now and when the GOP senator from Mississippi jumps off the Trump train, it means the rest of Trump's GOP support is fading. Trump's political future looks bleaker than bleak.

    Time for some campaign rallies so Trump can feel love again!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:25 p.m.

    Dale in S Jordan said: "The president and Congress must take swift action to secure our border, protect our citizens, and defend our sovereignty."

    How is that, Trump has money already, and has done nothing not one iota.
    If there's a dire emergency how will building a wall, that will take years to build, solve that "swiftly?"

    But not one of the other national emergencies was used to take funding from lawful bills to pay for a campaign promise that Mexico would pay for it?

    The emergency is trump trying to get his vanity wall, as his walls of corruption continue to fall all around him.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:20 p.m.

    The President sees National Security and secure borders as something very important. Why Congress doesn't is a mystery.

    Congress hasn't passed significant immigration reform in decades. The problem is still there. They don't care. Scoring points for their party is always more important than the law and the people they pledged to protect. And I don't care whether the Congress is majority R/D, or the President is R/D. Neither party can't let the other party score... so they do nothing. So nothing gets done. Regardless of which party is in power.

    That's the way it is in America, and why we can't get anything done (whether it's an emergency or not).

    "Pro" is the opposite of "Con"... So does "Congress" mean the opposite of "Progress"? It does today in America.

    Why Congress can't do anything is beyond me. They only seem to be there to STOP everything. Not to do anything.

    I don't care if it's an official emergency or not. It's something that needs to be done (securing our borders).

    Obviously a wall is needed (in some areas). Because every President in my lifetime has built parts of the border wall/fence. Why it suddenly became Taboo... I don't know.

  • Dale in S Jordan , 00
    March 14, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    This is my thoughts. Sorry Utah Senators!

    Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) said ahead of the vote that she will vote to keep Trump’s national emergency, stating:

    Since Congress gave emergency powers to the executive branch in 1976 under the National Emergencies Act, presidents from both political parties have declared national emergencies in the United States over situations far less dire than the security and humanitarian crisis that is currently plaguing the southern border. The president and Congress must take swift action to secure our border, protect our citizens, and defend our sovereignty. I support President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency, and I reject the resolution of disapproval.

  • 04/13/2014 , 00
    March 14, 2019 3:43 p.m.

    Since Congress will not do their job... The President have to go around them to secure our borders. Its past time Congress, where is your own plan to secure the border?

  • Puukko Orem , 00
    March 14, 2019 3:35 p.m.

    President Trump tried to secure the border by any means possible. Chuck and Nancy win, we all lose. This will hurt dems. Trump 2020

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    If Congress would do their job... The President wouldn't have to go around them to secure our borders.

    Congress is notoriously slow to do anything about illegal immigration, if they do anything at all.

    Obama tried...
    Congress didn't pass anything.
    Google "Immigration reform in the United States - Wikipedia"...

    Bush tried...
    Google "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia...
    Democrats filibustered it and held it up in debate and changes until he was out of office. It was never allowed to be voted in the Senate.

    Clinton tried...
    Google "clinton immigration law 2000"...
    Congress didn't pass anything.

    Reagan tried...
    Congress passed his immigration reform bill. After the bill passed and the amnesty went into affect, Congress voted to de-fund the Enforcement parts of the bill. So only the Amnesty part happened. The Enforcement parts of the bill never happened (due to lack of funding).

    So I kinda blame Congress for lack of enforcement of our immigration laws.

    Well that... and Executive Orders prohibiting ICE/INS/Border Patrol from enforcing our immigration laws.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    If people crossing our borders illegally shouldn't have to obey America's laws... why should I have to obey our laws?

    Maybe I have the right to disobey any laws I want...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    @formerutahn
    RE: "Shouldn't we be trying to fix that problem first? Then we can talk about border walls"...
    ---
    We've not only been talking about it, but we've been building border walls for over 20 years!

    Google "Did Democrats Support Border Barriers Before Trump"...

    Google "Democrats who voted for Secure Fence Act of 2006"...

    It just became a Sin to build border walls recently. Pres Obama constructed sections of the wall. Bush, Clinton, all constructed sections of the wall.

    ===

    Impartial7
    RE: "They all know Trump's "emergency" is bluster"...
    ---
    President Obama said we had an emergency on border when we had the "unaccompanied minor crisis" on the border when he was President.

    Google "2014 American immigration crisis - Wikipedia"...

    Read it

    The Government built detention centers, National Guard helped out, It was a crisis (2014).

    In 2006 Senator Obama said, "The bill before us will certainly do some good. It will authorize some badly needed funding for better fences and better security along our borders, and that should help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country"...

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    March 14, 2019 2:10 p.m.

    Malihini - The Psalmist said, "with understanding comes wisdom." If we all would take the time to understand the problem, then maybe we could take an informed stand. Too many of us stand by party, biases obtained by listening to uniformed individuals with a personal agenda, or such. Be informed!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 14, 2019 2:10 p.m.

    "In a measure of how remarkable the confrontation was, Thursday was the first time Congress has voted to block a presidential emergency since the National Emergency Act became law in 1976."
    ____________________
    That alone speaks volumes on the dynamics of this historic clash.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 14, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    So Trump will work to defeat the defecting Senators? Cool - more Senate Democrats.

  • UTEG Taylorsville, UT
    March 14, 2019 1:52 p.m.

    How can Americans tolerate not doing anything to stop the migration of illegals to this country if they want to be citizens go about it the the proper way . Its all good until one of your family members dies of drug overdose or gets killed by illegal immigrant Trump never ever said they could not come to America. But they bring the criminals, cartel and drugs with them fix your problems in your own country's. God knows we have enough problems with our own !

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 14, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    How embarrassing for Trump. But then again, he's been embarrassing us in front of the world for over 2 years now.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    March 14, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    I have been opposed to the wall but after understanding the number of human trafficking instances, I am for it. If this wall can stop 1 person from being sold into a perverse slavery then it is worth it.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    March 14, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    59 to 41?

    Wow.

    This is surprisingly close to a impeachment margin. Trump's support in among the Senate GOPis much softer than was predicted.

  • formerutahn-1 Saline, MI
    March 14, 2019 1:18 p.m.

    Okay, let's for the sake of argument concede that there is a humanitarian crisis at the border right this very minute. Tell me how a wall which will take years to build fixes that current problem. If there truly is a humanitarian crisis, and we are truly a compassionate people, shouldn't we be trying to fix that problem first? Then we can talk about border walls.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 14, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    Whether or not Trump prevails with the promised veto, his support in the GOP Senate is starting to crack wide open.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 14, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    Nice to see the GOP finally get a backbone and stand up to Trump in this way--when supporting and defending the Constitution is at odds with supporting Trump. When such a scenario presents itself, every American should hope every politician would vote to support the Constitution.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    Spokane you say keeping campaign promises? You mean the one about Mexico paying for the Wall?

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    So Mexico is going to pay for the wall? Trump said he would protect Social Security and Medicare His new budget calls for drastic cuts to both. Where is the "tremendous" health care he promised? He said he was going to tax billionaires "Big Time" Instead he gave them a budget busting tax cut. He complained about Obama running up the deficit while he was trying to prevent us going into a depression then ramps up the deficit spending while the economy Obama handed him is doing well.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 14, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    Tweeting and bluster are the two things that Trump has become quite good at as President.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 14, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute
    how dare the senators and congressman do the same by voting against Trumps faux national emergency deceleration. How dare they actually dare act as a check and balance against the president? the nerve of these people.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 14, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    Every Senator and every House Rep should overturn this and then have the guts to override Trump's veto. They all know Trump's "emergency" is bluster and that Trump crossed a line. They should put Party aside and rein in Trump's rash actions.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 14, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    Thank goodness for President Trump fighting the good fight. A president who fights to keep his campaign promises? the nerve of this guy!