Morning links: Utah, BYU among the 10 most underrated football programs in history; Utes a piece away from the College Football Playoff

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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    March 18, 2019 7:02 p.m.

    @Jello is Good - ,

    So, BYU is; most yrs good, some great. Utah is consistently good, but not a great team.......

    Hard to reconcile that the team that is "not great" has beaten the "good and sometimes great" team with such regularity.

    Utah holds a 27 game advantage in the rivalry. And each team has 9 consecutive wins, one time each. Utah is about to do it again.

    Utah's 08' season is FAR more impressive than BYU's 84' season. Utah has 7 undefeated seasons total, to BYU's 1.

    Utah has more overall wins and a higher win % than BYU in history.
    Utah has more conference championships than BYU in history.
    Utah has won more bowl games than BYU, and has beaten the highest ranked bowl opponent either of our team has played.

    BYU had a blip of success. All in the WAC, and all under 1 coach. Bronco had some success too. But not against Utah and no real marquee wins. Bronco knew BYU was/is basically where it is going to be as an Indy. He left.

    BYU hasn't finished in the AP top 25 for a decade. Utah? 3 of the last 5 yrs. in every poll, with a harder SOS.

    BYU hasn't EVER been in the CFP poll. Utah? 19 of all 30 weeks.

    But you can have your opinion.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 18, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    As comparison Utah has averaged 7.8 wins in the PAC, 9.8 wins the last 8 years in the MWC and 7.2 wins over the last 40 years. Very similar.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 18, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    @ArizonaUte

    "Utah finished #21, lost 4 games by a combined 18 pts. Or 4.5 pts per game.
    The games between USC and Utah are always close. USC getting back to good is them reverting back to the mean.

    BYU had a blip in time when they were good. BYU is now reverting back to their real mean. 6-8 win team that will surprise in a game or two per yr."

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    1st, I am not a trasher of either the PAC or Utah being in the PAC. Although the PAC, along with their Marquee programs, USC and UCLA, are down now, they will rebound. Utah, once acclimated to P5, has remained about the same, only rising in rank because USC and/or UCLA has fallen. Utah is a consistently "good" team, not a great team.

    As for BYU, you are mostly accurate, only have sold them short by 2 wins per year. In the last 8 years in the MWC BYU averaged 8.2 wins; in the first 8 years of independence they averaged 7.9 wins despite playing 2-3 more P5 teams than before. Over the last 40 years BYU has averaged just over 8 wins per year. That is extremely consistent. Most years good, some great.

    As to the USC/Utah match up, what you say mirrors what we say about the BYU/Utah matchup and for the same reasons.

  • rogerdpack Orem, UT
    March 18, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    Apparently both BYU and Utah are underrated. Here's a cheer of chocolate milk to that!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD

    You do know that USC, in 2016, finished #3 and won the Rose Bowl against a very good Penn State team, right?

    Sam Darnold started against Utah and had his typical statistical game, i.e. good game. There were times, like most teams he played against, where Utah couldn't stop him.

    Darnold had his type of game v. Utah but Utah still beat them. And would have beaten them later in the season.

    Utah finished #21 that yr. and lost 4 games by a combined 18 pts. Or 4.5 pts per game.

    The games between USC and Utah are always close and we've been going back and forth with victories. Yes, even when USC was good. They will get there again. It's in their DNA.

    USC getting back to being very good is them reverting back to the mean. They have 11 Natties. Tied for 2nd most in college football history.

    BYU had a blip in time when they were good. And BYU is now reverting back to their real mean. Which is what you are seeing right now. 6-8 win team that will surprise in a game or two per yr.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    March 17, 2019 12:30 a.m.

    @wahului - Stockton, CA

    1984 is zero cause for consternation among any fans anywhere.

    BYU fans just hold on to it like it's a life preserver in the middle of the ocean with nothing else around. And I guess, it basically is that.

    Perspective:

    Pitt has 9 NCs. Cal has 5, Minnesota has 5, Illinois has 5, Georgia Tech has 4, Army has 3, Stanford 2, Washington 2, Colorado, Maryland, Navy, Syracuse, UCLA and others, all have 1 each.

    How many of those teams are considered elite today? 1 fringe elite, perhaps?

    And none of those teams fan bases act about it like BYU fans do.

    1984 was a QUARTER CENTURY, plus another DECADE ago. Yes it really happened. And it's a very nice accomplishment.

    But you don't need to continue to "Uncle Rico" this thing. Living in the football past while selling Tupperware...er...pest control.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 16, 2019 10:26 p.m.

    “You have a recent memory of Utah barely squeaking by an unranked USC with a Freshman QB starting his first game after the Trojans had just been destroyed by Alabama.

    USC would have destroyed U if the Utes had played the Trojans in November, instead of early September.”

    Nope!

    Purely a myth perpetrated by byu fan.

    Sam Darnold absolutely tore it up against us....It was USC’s veteran D that got destroyed by our O in the 2nd half....Their D lost that game for them, NOT Sam Darnold.

    We beat USC because we were better than them, period.

    Nice try.

    9 straight & counting is soon upon us.

    Go Utes!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    March 16, 2019 8:41 a.m.

    Utemythology

    “I have recent memories Utah beating:
    #3 USC”

    Nope!

    You have a recent memory of Utah barely squeaking by an unranked USC with a Freshman QB starting his first game after the Trojans had just been destroyed by Alabama.

    USC would have destroyed U if the Utes had played the Trojans in November, instead of early September.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 16, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    Real cougar Dallas:

    What are you talking about little bro? This isn't an article written by a "delusional Ute fan". It's an article written by a national pundit.

    #NotSmart

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 16, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    Perhaps YOU should be the one to take Uteology’s suggestion of staying in your lane. For starters, you got busted for failing to comprehend the purpose of that poll. And what’s more, you’ve STILL failed to understand it, despite having had it explained to you. #NotSmart

    Second…..THREE responses to a single post? That’s quit the obsession you’ve developed there. I must have really embarrassed you to make you feel you’d need to circle back three times to justify your exposed stupidity, via your long-winded, mental gymnastic excuses. Sweet!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2019 4:25 a.m.

    @Fake Cougar
    Utah is not that good of a program. I have recent memories of Utah's bowl game. Or games Washington State where they threw all over you. And a decent Washington team beating you 2 times. The pac 12 isn't that good. When I see teams like Florida, LSU, Michigan, Texas, West Virginia, hell even UCF, the eye test of a normal person can see that Utah couldn't compete with these teams.

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    You do need get your eyes tested, Utah is 3-0 vs Michigan and West Virginia.

    Last 5 years, Utah is #25 in the nation.
    Source: AP and Sagarin

    I have recent memories Utah beating:
    #3 USC
    #10 UCLA
    #10 Stanford
    #11 Michigan
    #19 Oregon
    #21 USC

  • Real cougar Dallas Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2019 9:25 p.m.

    I think its the funniest thing the delusion Utah fans have. One piece away from the playoff? really? I hear the same thing every year about how good Utah is and how they are "the best team the state has ever seen." Utah fans lets be real for a minute the last 10 years you have been better than BYU. I'm a BYU fan and I admit that, you have beaten us and been better thats just facts. However how you all perceive yourself is laughable. Utah is not that good of a program. I have recent memories of Utah's bowl game. Or games Washington State where they threw all over you. And a decent Washington team beating you 2 times. The pac 12 isn't that good. When I see teams like Florida, LSU, Michigan, Texas, West Virginia, hell even UCF, the eye test of a normal person can see that Utah couldn't compete with these teams. Yet somehow Utah thinks they are one of the best teams ever. The facts are
    1. Utah isn't elite
    2. Pac 12 is the worst P-5 conference
    3. Utah has hit their peak
    4. All the hype doesn't matter because they choke every year
    Truth is a hard pill to swallow so better drink it with tears from facing reality that you're really not that good.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    March 15, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    BYU won the 1984 NC the way it was set up for a champion to be chosen back then. End of debate.

  • Ak_ute Anchorage, AK
    March 15, 2019 2:26 p.m.

    wer - South Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2019 2:22 p.m.
    After the Utes drop their opening game, all this talk won't matter much.

    "IF" that happens, you really feel like winning 1 game in a decade is something to gloat about??? Sad times in Provo! BYU is like the 9th or tenth game we even look to on our schedule. You guys still consider it the CFB!!!

  • Ak_ute Anchorage, AK
    March 15, 2019 2:13 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    March 14, 2019 1:47 p.m.
    "The Utah Utes are a prominent sleeper in the College Football Playoff race. The biggest missing piece is a player who can reliably force turnovers. The Utes lost linebackers Chase Hansen and Cody Barton...The linebacker situation could cost them a playoff spot." -- Ian Wharton, Bleacher Report

    I disagree. I believe our most glaring problem is that the only QB we have on our roster that is north of the recommended playing weight minimum of 215-lbs for a Pac-12 signal caller...

    I agree, but one other thing g our twig QBs have to worry about is having a new line!! That will break some bones! Linebacker are a strong spot IMO......

  • Ak_ute Anchorage, AK
    March 15, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    wahului - Stockton, CA
    March 14, 2019 1:07 p.m.
    It seems the consensus National Championship won by BYU back in 1984 is still the source of consternation, angst and dementia amongst the Utie idiot blogosphere. Since memory apparently does not serve, I'll point out that BYU didn't just win out in 1984...after an opening game loss in 1983, the Cougars ran the table from there to the end of 1984...some 24 consecutive victories over two consecutive seasons against all comers....and there's nothing you can do about it. BYU fans aren't living in the past...we know what winning a National Championship feels like.

    2004 & 2009!!!!!!!! Much more legit than 1884 or whenever that win over a 6-6 Michigan team happen????

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 15, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    ...or I guess -15 since it would be out of the top 25. Either way, it's not -16. Take a nap and try again.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 15, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    NV:
    Also just a follow up...a distribution of 25 can have outliers too. But Michigan's score would have been -14 not "-16"...so we know your basic math skills are bad, but we're supposed to believe you know what you're talking about with basic stats? Lol

    So with lower sum total scores (because the distribution would be 25 instead of 130) "-16" would put Michigan as highly overrated still despite ranking above projections in 4 of the 5 hypothetical seasons. So basically U proved nothing there either. It was bad stats, and anyone who's done stats can see that.

    As your buddy mythology might say: "stay in your lane".

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 15, 2019 1:20 p.m.

    NV:
    Lol! So you think raw sum totals from top 25 rankings are a good way to determine over/under performance over 83 years? Despite the fact that some teams have 50 poll rankings for their sum total (and yes Walsh used raw sum totals...laughable) and some only have 10? Ridiculous

    The fact is this analysis is statistically ludicrous. Any research methods student could recognize immediately that you should at least take a mean from those rankings rather than a raw sum score especially with such a wide differential between how many scores (rankings) a team may have. But Walsh didn't do that did he?

    My original argument was that it was a poorly done statistical analysis to determine how much or how little teams were "over" or "underrated"....and you're trying to refute that. Hilarious indeed. The stats to determine this were sloppy/lazy at best (most raw sum score analyses are). If U can't see that, heaven help U. And FWIW, don't judge someone's honor U don't know...it calls into question your own. Good day, buddy.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 15, 2019 11:53 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    Wow! You REALLY don't get it do you? So....AGAIN....this poll was conducted to determine which teams are the most "overrated" and "underrated". Therefore, in the "negative variance skew" that you'd illustrated, Alabama WOULD have been "slightly overrated" due to their "-2" score. And Michigan would NOT have had a "-35" score, because Walsh only measured teams from the AP's Top-25. Therefore, the outlier score wouldn't have been "-40". It would have been "-16". The AP poll doesn't tell us who the #51 team is. It only tells us who the teams are that are ranked 1st thru 25th.

    The lengths that you indy-WACers will go just to avoid admitting that you were wrong are both pathetic AND hilarious. And it's also one of the reasons why I've been saying all along that "Honor" should have long ago been stricken from your "Spirit, Tradition, Honor" mantra. Because you Yners exhibit none of it.

    mendenmidmajor thanks you for proving him right.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    March 15, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    @BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 15, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Spot on. The big dogs rotate some and also have ups and downs though. USC is one of them who just happens to be down currently.

    Clemson has 3 NCs, USC has 11. Clemson is up right now. And look like they will be for a while.

    USC will get back there at some point. Utah and Washington? I think you are right. They will make some noise at times and otherwise just be very solid programs.

    I think this is a tough row to hoe if you are an independent. Given how the CF landscape has morphed.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    March 15, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    @blue & white - , 00

    BYU plays 2, P12 south opponents this season. Let's see how they do. You also get both at home, in Provo.

    Both will very likely be losses for BYU. Yet, the continued irony will persist as you and your fan base will continue to rip on the P12. As though BYU were soooo much better. And their situation with zero access to any meaningful post season in football, is somehow better as well.

    Independence has been a disaster when you look back. Zero AP rankings, zero weeks in the CFP (5 yrs old now), no wins v. Utah, no wins v. P12 teams with a winning record, 20-19 record in the last 3 seasons, poor recruiting, very few NFL draftees, lost to USU twice in a row for the 1st time in 44 yrs., lost to a 3 win UMass team at home, shut out twice while not crossing the 50 yrd. line, etc.

    Last yr. alone, BYU went:

    1-3 v. PAC 12
    1-2 v. MWC
    0-1 v. MAC in the regular season

    So, so ironic that BYU fans mock Utah and the PAC12.

    Maybe irony is what you do best????

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 15, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Well, it had to happen. A somewhat sensible discussion gets derailed by my fanatical friend who gets :"frantic and emotional" about Ute football. You're funny, Naval. You make me smile and sometimes LOL.

    My take after about 50 years of watching college football: the Big Dogs will rule and those dogs all live in the SEC and Big10. I make an exception for Clemson who was the biggest dog last year.

    Utah and BYU are nice schools with nice teams, and I'm a BYU fan so I'd like to see them beat Utah this year. But nobody from the PAC12, including my alma mater, Washington, is going to challenge the Big Dogs anytime soon.

    So let's not get "frantic and emotional" about it. Play the games and enjoy.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 15, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    @LoveTheKittens - Central, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:34 p.m.
    @boris
    @65whatever
    @jelloman

    "Following the much publicized verbal altercation between Oklahoma City star Russell Westbrook and Utah county resident Shane Keisel, a few Jazz fans hope to change the narrative surrounding the fanbase."

    "Have you ever been to Utah County?
    It is just a long stretch of road between me and someplace worthwhile."

    -------------------

    Actually, I lived there for 4 years. The rest of the time I lived OUTSIDE Utah, unlike you. I think my perspective is pretty good on this.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 15, 2019 12:18 a.m.

    Uteanymous - Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 9:00 p.m.
    A team that has only had TWO 11+ win seasons in their entire history has ZERO chance of going undefeated playing a P12 schedule.

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    We have a better chance of going undefeated in P12 than BYU has in beating Utah State.

    BTW Utah has SIX more undefeated seasons than your team and TWO more than your team this century.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 15, 2019 12:12 a.m.

    Uteanymous - Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 9:00 p.m.
    A team that has only had TWO 11+ win seasons in their entire history has ZERO chance of going undefeated playing a P12 schedule.

    Has Utah even had an undefeated November since joining the P12?

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    Utah has had a undefeated September. Including wins over #3 USC, #11 Michigan and at #19 Oregon.

    How about your team?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    March 14, 2019 10:28 p.m.

    Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney - Kaysville, UT
    March 14, 2019 12:46 p.m.
    Forty Six & 2, you do realize that U are on a 2-game losing streak; they when you finally made it to the PAC Championship game you scored a whole 3 points, and that the Champion, Washington, got throttled by Ohio State, don't you?

    The U is a long way from a CFP game. Arizona thought they'd be in the Rose Bowl numerous times, too; how'd that work out for them? LOL!!!
    _____

    Great screen name! Its perfect for what many BYU fans say about their team.
    Nice to see another bitter fan with PAC12 envy.
    Please share the news when BYU finally reaches a conference title game.

    As someone else once said. Go back to the WAC. You will be conference champions every year, because nobody else has a team.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 9:00 p.m.

    A team that has only had TWO 11+ win seasons in their entire history has ZERO chance of going undefeated playing a P12 schedule.

    Has Utah even had an undefeated November since joining the P12?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 6:54 p.m.

    PhilRM - Anchorage, AK
    March 14, 2019 11:14 a.m.
    One piece away? They didn't even get a New Year's Six invite last year. It seems they are more than one piece away.

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    So?

    Neither did 2017 Notre Dame before making CFP in 2018.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 14, 2019 6:28 p.m.

    NV:
    "You clearly lacked comprehension over the metrics used in this poll."

    Nope. It appears you don't understand how increased probability for negative variance can skew raw sum rankings like this one. Here's an example to help you "comprehend":

    Hypothetical 5 years-

    Alabama- preseason (1,4,2,3,1), postseason (1,8,1,2,1).
    They finished at or above preseason prediction 4 out of 5 seasons.
    Their raw sum score would have them as slightly overrated = -2.

    Michigan- preseason (14,4,11,5,8), postseason (14,3,51,4,5).
    They also finished at or above preseason prediction 4 out of 5 seasons.
    But their aggregate score would put them as highly overrated because of the negative score of one outlier season (-40 in this example)= -35.

    So Michigan's ranking was skewed by a negative outlier- season 3 in example (with nowhere near the same probability for a positive outlier (roughly 119 to 10 in favor of negative score). Raw sum rankings like the one in this article DO NOT accurately describe programs' over-under performance over time, with no control for outliers or even an attempt at mean or standard deviation. But believe what you want professor...I mean cold fusion exists right? Lol

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 14, 2019 6:21 p.m.

    Uteology:

    "...no one stepped up at RB after Moss went down."

    I think we'll be safe there. Brumfield was a Freshman last year, but he's got some experience now. That guy is a gamer. I think he was about as effective as a Freshman as was Moss when HE was a Freshman. Once Moss is gone, look to him to be the guy who steps up and seizes the starting role amid a LOADED backfield. If there's one position on the field we need not worry about, it's at RB.

  • Atkins Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 6:16 p.m.

    Vet

    "I disagree. I believe our most glaring problem is that the only QB we have on our roster that is north of the recommended playing weight minimum of 215-lbs for a Pac-12 signal caller...

    ...is the only one we have that isn't eligible for 2019."

    Implicit in what you say is this is that heavier QBs will have fewer injuries, and on its face it seems to make sense. However, Zach Binney of Football Outsiders did a statistical study of NFL players at each position on that very question last year and discovered that while it holds true for RBs, it's the reverse for QBs. I.e. the heavier the QB, the more likely an injury.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 6:14 p.m.

    blue & white - , 00
    March 14, 2019 3:32 p.m.
    After the first game of the year record, Y: 1-0, U: 0-1. After that the U may back into the 2-6 PAC south leader since every other S team is weak this year. Go Cougs!

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    Cute!

    Like unicorns and fairies.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 6:11 p.m.

    Marked it Down - Park City, UT
    March 14, 2019 11:25 a.m.
    THEREALND

    The method used to calculate this "underrated" status fails to take into account the possibility that a team may have just been overrated at the beginning and the end of the season...

    i.e. 2004, when a team that only beat three teams with winning records, none better than 7-5, to “bust the BCS”.

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    2004 Utah SOS: #67

    2013 National Champion, FSU SOS: #62

    1984 National Shampion, BYU SOS: #96

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2019 6:01 p.m.

    Linebacker isn't a problem, Thompson isn't even on the team due to playing time.

    The biggest hole is that no one stepped up at RB after Moss went down. If Utah can build depth at RB and remain healthy, then we have a good chance of being Rose bound.

    For CFP berth, since we have a weak OOC schedule, we have to go undefeated,
    which is highly unlikely.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:34 p.m.

    @boris
    @65whatever
    @jelloman

    "Following the much publicized verbal altercation between Oklahoma City star Russell Westbrook and Utah county resident Shane Keisel, a few Jazz fans hope to change the narrative surrounding the fanbase."

    Have you ever been to Utah County?
    It is just a long stretch of road between me and someplace worthwhile.

  • Rusty Filter ,
    March 14, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    the utes are back at there name calling, tearing down, minimizing, and disrespect.
    I thought the u never did that?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    "After the Utes drop their opening game"
    "After the first game of the year record, Y: 1-0, U: 0-1"

    wern't, coognwhite:

    It's remarkable that coog fans can remain so optimistic about the next game, even after a decade of futility, when there is no evidence to support it. A supposedly good returning QB and new sheriffs, you say? That didn't work for Hill, Mangum, Detmer, et al.

    There's a certain pathos to it. But, by all means, keep a stiff upper lip!

  • blue & white , 00
    March 14, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    After the first game of the year record, Y: 1-0, U: 0-1. After that the U may back into the 2-6 PAC south leader since every other S team is weak this year. Go Cougs!

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    March 14, 2019 2:43 p.m.

    Talking about making it into the "playoff?" There is really no such thing. At one time it was a total vote in for one team, then it was a vote in for two teams and now a vote in for four teams. Still a vote in and not really a playoff. Too many things are beyond the control of a team. Strength of Schedule? A team might have put together a great schedule but when the actual games are played the opponents are in a down year (recently Texas, Nebraska, the PAC12, and of course BYU in 2017). A team might not have it together at the beginning of the year but be great by the end. Too late.
    Until there is an actual playoff then all "National Champions" should be given an asterisk. And yes, even 1984.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 14, 2019 2:40 p.m.

    wahului:

    "Since memory apparently does not serve, I'll point out that BYU didn't just win out in 1984...after an opening game loss in 1983, the Cougars ran the table from there to the end of 1984"

    Since memory apparently did not serve YOU, what happened in 1983 had no bearing on where you all wound up in 1984. If it DID, then you wouldn't have started the '84 season unranked. You all "backed in" to it. Nothing more. You "backed in" to it by going undefeated vs. an uber weak SOS, when nobody else went undefeated also, and during an era where SOS didn't count.

    "...we know what winning a National Championship feels like...Uties, on the other hand, have no point of reference...you have to have been there to know what it's like. Maybe some day."

    There's no doubt you all know how it feels to "back in" to a championship. But Utah on the other hand DOES have a point of reference. We DO know what it's like. Our "some day" had already come. "Since memory apparently does not serve, I'll point out that" the NCAA and the Pac-12 recognize Utah's 2008 Football team as a "National Champion". Fact! How miserable for you.

    Wrecked indy-WACer.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 2:35 p.m.

    "Utah has ZERO chance of ever going undefeated as a P5."

    NDcoog95:

    But it sure is nice to see our team in TODAY's conversation, not some worn-out time-machine conversation that is regurgitated regularly. That's gotta be painful!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 14, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    "...the way this 'underrated', 'overrated' stat was put together is going to be seriously skewed toward teams unranked before the season (ie, going from unranked to 5th for instance is a +20, while a preseason number 1 team that wins the NC gets a fat zero...not good statistics fellas)."

    Silly "uneducated" fan mendenmidmajor was talking about. You clearly lacked comprehension over the metrics used in this poll. If the preseason #1 team wins the NC, then they weren't "under-or-overrated", were they? So they SHOULD register a big fat zero. This poll was never about "who is the best program", but rather which of the best programs started out the season either "underrated" or "overrated". In your scenario where a preseason unranked team finished ranked 5th (+20), that WOULD have been one of the most (if not THE most) "underrated" team in the country that year, and thus, SHOULD rank higher on this list.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    After the Utes drop their opening game, all this talk won't matter much. And, should, somehow, they manage to win that game, all this talk won't matter much.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2019 2:18 p.m.

    "Kyle . . . let's remember learned his craft largely at a certain team south of Salt Lake"

    coogli:

    Yeah, sure. That 2 year GA stint at BYU-P was much more important than: the year at CEU; 5 years at Idaho State; and 25 years at Utah--where he learned from his dad, Ronnie Mac, and Urban.

    Hahahaha! Don't flatter your coog-self.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 14, 2019 1:47 p.m.

    "The Utah Utes are a prominent sleeper in the College Football Playoff race. The biggest missing piece is a player who can reliably force turnovers. The Utes lost linebackers Chase Hansen and Cody Barton...The linebacker situation could cost them a playoff spot." -- Ian Wharton, Bleacher Report

    I disagree. I believe our most glaring problem is that the only QB we have on our roster that is north of the recommended playing weight minimum of 215-lbs for a Pac-12 signal caller...

    ...is the only one we have that isn't eligible for 2019.

    Now don't get me wrong here -- I'm not suggesting that Huntley and Shelley haven't the talent to win in Salt Lake City. I'm just suggesting that neither one is big enough to last a full season as a starter. And if one goes down, the other must come in to pick up the slack, having not been given the #1 reps all Spring, Summer, and Fall. These change-ups ultimately impact the consistency of the team, and could wind up costing us a game or two (or three) which ultimately will cost us a spot in the 2019 CFP race.

    Hopefully, both Huntley, Shelley, and Lisk spend a lot of quality time in the weight room. They're going to need it.

    GO UTES!!!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 14, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    Saying "Utah didn't even make a New Years 6 Bowl" as evidence they aren't close to the CFP is disingenuous. They were one game away from a New Years 6 Bowl. IF Washington had been a CFP team, Utah would have played in the Rose Bowl. Or, IF Utah had beaten Washington in the Pac-12 Championship, they would have also been in the Rose Bowl. 1 game away.

    If Utah goes undefeated next season, or even just loses 1 game, they will be in consideration for the CFP. Just because they play in the Pac-12. And don't take that as a disparagement of Utah, because it's not. But realistically, if you are not a member of a P-5 conference, you are not in consideration for the CFP no matter your record. Utah has the membership. If they win, they'll be considered.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    March 14, 2019 1:09 p.m.

    Utah has ZERO chance of ever going undefeated as a P5.

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    March 14, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    It seems the consensus National Championship won by BYU back in 1984 is still the source of consternation, angst and dementia amongst the Utie idiot blogosphere. Since memory apparently does not serve, I'll point out that BYU didn't just win out in 1984...after an opening game loss in 1983, the Cougars ran the table from there to the end of 1984...some 24 consecutive victories over two consecutive seasons against all comers....and there's nothing you can do about it. BYU fans aren't living in the past...we know what winning a National Championship feels like, and are looking forward to and hoping for another one!! Uties, on the other hand, have no point of reference...you have to have been there to know what it's like. Maybe some day.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    March 14, 2019 1:01 p.m.

    I completely agree that Utah and BYU are underrated. Both are much better than given credit for, but ROFLOL at Utes being one piece away from CFP. How are they one piece away? They went 9-5 last year, and that's because the PAC-12 South was laughable at best. You're telling me you fix the LB position, and they're good to go? Not even, and even if a Big 12 team lost 2 games, SEC, B1G, and ACC teams have a 1 loss, you think Utah can stand up to Clemson? That DL and WR corp are insane. Utah wouldn't stand a chance. Bama would plow through them every play. Utah isn't on the same level as those team. Don't worry, I won't claim BYU is close either, because they're not. There are maybe 10 teams that recruit well enough to actually compete well enough in the CFP.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    March 14, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    Forty Six & 2, you do realize that U are on a 2-game losing streak; they when you finally made it to the PAC Championship game you scored a whole 3 points, and that the Champion, Washington, got throttled by Ohio State, don't you?

    The U is a long way from a CFP game. Arizona thought they'd be in the Rose Bowl numerous times, too; how'd that work out for them? LOL!!!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 14, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    Not trying to throw shade, but while many of my Ute friends are excited about this season they are also cautious. I don't think Utah is "linebackers" away from a CFP. They are O-line, receivers, consistent QB play, AND linebackers away from a CFP. Then there is the talent disparity. This isn't your 2008 Bama...this is 8 out of the last 9 seasons being ranked the #1 recruiting class Bama (honestly, Utah doesn't want to face them in the CFP now...maybe in the future with better recruiting and more offensive stability, but definitely not now- see Washington).

    Also the way this "underrated", "overrated" stat was put together is going to be seriously skewed toward teams unranked before the season (ie, going from unranked to 5th for instance is a +20, while a preseason number 1 team that wins the NC gets a fat zero...not good statistics fellas).

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 12:07 p.m.

    Marky Mark - Park City, UT

    Don’t even compare your “crown jewel” of a season to Utah’s 2004. Your cougs beat ZERO ranked teams in ‘84, by playing an extremely weak SOS, by then backing into a “NC”, all the while BARELY squeaking a very mediocre Michigan team.

    Would a potential recruit really care about something that happened when their parents weren’t even in High School yet? Or something THIS century?

    This where you guys respond with that long list of ancient accolades, we won the first half last season, and stadium size smack!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 14, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    Going undefeated is so tough to do in this day and age. You need to be very good, need to stay healthy, and have some luck fall your way. I disagree with the rankings; I put Utah and Boise St at the top, in either order. Can't wait for the season to start; high expectations.

    GO UTES

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 14, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap

    "Do not confuse Utah Residents With 'Utah County Residents', believe it or not, they are not the same."

    "Was that meant to sound judgmental and self-righteous or did it just sound that way accidentally."

    --------------

    Not being from Utah and having lived the majority of my life on both coasts, I find the perception many people have outside of Utah of Utahns is because of statements like the above. When a group, whether defined by race, gender, religion, or ethnicity, is the majority they act and speak in a certain way that is different than when you are a minority.

    It is not purposeful, but often they can not be as considerate and/or understanding of a minority group and say things that are insensitive. They most times don't even mean harm or slight, but that can also be the problem. They feel since they meant no harm, it justifies the statement, thinking and considering only themselves. This still does not change the fact that the other party felt slighted or persecuted. No matter how much you claim innocence because you didn't mean it, the only impact and understanding comes when you empathize with and acknowledge their feelings.

  • Lester L. Wester Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 11:43 a.m.

    PhilRM: "One piece away? They didn't even get a New Year's Six invite last year."

    Yeah, that defines how they will do this year. Number nine is coming at you like a frieght train.

  • Rusty Filter ,
    March 14, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    Wasn’t the ute trolls saying that it was BYU that , makes fun of, tears down, mocks.
    The comments on this board say otherwise.
    #Instigators

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 14, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    THEREALND

    The method used to calculate this "underrated" status fails to take into account the possibility that a team may have just been overrated at the beginning and the end of the season...

    i.e. 2004, when a team that only beat three teams with winning records, none better than 7-5, to “bust the BCS”.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    March 14, 2019 11:21 a.m.

    Hilarious how some of our Utah friends use an even-handed article about both programs to make such "interesting" comments about BYU and even make a clumsy attempt to impeach the 1984 championship. Never mind that all BYU did was play its games and win. The voting and thus creation of the championship was entirely in the hands of somebody else. Lots of somebodies.

    I think Utah is on the brink of something huge. Kyle---who let's remember learned his craft largely at a certain team south of Salt Lake---has his kids playing tough, fast, with power and finesse. I think Kalani is also on the cusp, but perhaps not as far along as his friend. Next year will be telling for the Cougars. Still need a work horse running back.

  • PhilRM Anchorage, AK
    March 14, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    One piece away? They didn't even get a New Year's Six invite last year. It seems they are more than one piece away.

  • Valhalla Alpine, UT
    March 14, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    Leave it to the Ute trolls to throw negative barbs towards BYU rather than enjoy a good argument for the Utes. As a Ute fan, I am embarrased. (Yes, I am a BYU fan as well - Go Cougs and Utes). The trolls should go sit in the same section as the verbally abusive Jazz fan...

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 14, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    "Do not confuse Utah Residents With 'Utah County Residents', believe it or not, they are not the same."

    Was that meant to sound judgmental and self-righteous or did it just sound that way accidentally.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    March 14, 2019 10:24 a.m.

    Classic statement from red.diehard.

    First the claim is that people from Utah aren't bigots. Then he claims Utah residents are not the same as Utah county residents. That everyone in Utah is caring, accepting, and helpful except for Utah county residents.

    So the claim is that all Utah county residents are different than other Utah residents based on beliefs or solely where they reside. That's the very definition of bigotry.

    Pretty sure the Jazz fan that got banned from the games was a Salt Lake county resident and a Ute fan. Therefore all Ute fans and Salt Lake County residents are racist. Certainly I don't believe that but apparently it's the case for everyone in Utah that is a Utah County resident.

    And by the way, it is not OK to be a racist or a bigot. It is absolutely OK to be a redneck.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 14, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    I agree with Ian Wharton - the Utes are on the cusp of the CFP. If they can go undefeated which is highly possible - they are a shoe-in to the CFP. This is a very good team in a very bad P-5 conference which is a great formula for getting into the CFP. The Utes are getting a lotta love nationally.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 14, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    I would say that byu was one of the most overrated programs in history. The school and religion have done a sterling job of hype for decades about their football team amongst other things.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2019 9:50 a.m.

    That'll win you a national championship!

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    March 14, 2019 9:35 a.m.

    “it is time to change the narrative on citizens of Utah, fans of the Jazz and those that call Utah 'home'. We are not a bunch of redneck, racist, bigots. Most of us are dads, moms, friends, hard-workers, kind-hearted, do right by each other, help our fellow man, good neighbors and welcoming to all.”

    Do not confuse Utah Residents With 'Utah County Residents', believe it or not, they are not the same.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 14, 2019 9:31 a.m.

    Bleacher Report is wrong. Utah is 2 pieces away from being a strong candidate for the CFP, and linebacker isn't one of them. We'll be fine at LB. The issues are going to be o-line and receiver.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    March 14, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    The method used to calculate this "underrated" status fails to take into account the possibility that a team may have just been overrated at the end of the season, i.e. 1984.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    Sadly...the SEC is the other side of this. They are ALWAYS heavily ranked in the pre-season...where teams like Utah are always 3-4 games behind in getting attention. Kudos to Whittingham for taking major strides each of the last 8 years since joining the PAC12. We still have a long ways to go, but it is nice to be getting some recognition. Now it is time to perform...same goes for Washington State and Oregon this year so we can begin to change the conversation of the struggling PAC12. It is amazing how a league is viewed when the historical top dogs like USC and Stanford are down a bit. ACC is garbage except for Clemson...but Clemson is so strong, they give cover to everyone else. You could make the same argument with Oklahoma in the BIG12 or the Alabama/Auburn/Georgia combination giving cover for the bottom half of the BAD SEC. Fall can't come soon enough!! GO UTES!