The Great Helmsman - Salt Lake City, UTMarch 10, 2019 10:04 p.m.@3grand:Why lie? Obama in eight years increased the deficit by
$8.6T, not $10T.======While that is correct, Helmsman,
you failed to point out that about 80% of debt under Obama came as a direct
result of policies that were handed to him by Bush/Cheney --- MOST of it from
putting three wars on the national credit card.What is completely
ignored by trump's followers is the fact that under Obama the RATE of
increase of our national debt was even lower than it had been under Clinton --
who was the only president since Reagan who reduced the debt and balanced the
budget.So thank you for pointing out the truth about trump's
wild spending spree. But there is more to the story. A LOT more . . . .
One of the problems with our economy besides a massive national debt and the
interest payments on it is the ever-increasing gap between the haves and the
have nots. For the wealthy, this isn't a problem but for everyone else it
is. Our policies in Washington, including our tax policies, are slowly
destroying the middle class. In 2016, for instance, the top 1% of
families owned 40% of all household wealth, with the next 9% of families holding
an additional 39%. That leaves 21% of the country’s net worth for the
remaining 90% of American families. This is not in the long-term best interest
of our country. We do not need full blown socialism but the opposite problem we
have is not good either.
@3grand:Why lie? Obama in eight years increased the deficit by
$8.6T, not $10T. In the little over two years Dear Leader has been in office
his budgets would increase the deficit by $4.8T. At the rate Dear Leader is
going he will add to the deficit in four years what it took Obama 8 years to do
(plus leading us out of a recession.)
@JD Tractor"Please liberals please don’t forget the main program
that skyrocketed the national debt was the passing of Obamacare"That's false. The ACA went into full effect during a time of falling
deficits and many of the GOP repeal bills were scored as increasing the deficits
because the ACA paid for itself with new taxes and the mandate penalty. Speaking
of which, the ACA is less fiscally solvent now because Trump got rid of the
The swamp is getting larger under the Donald.
3grandslamsPlease explain to all of us how "Obamacare" cost
the American taxpayer in its original form. Details please and numbers.Now, the bill known as Obamacare may cost us now as the GOP ditched some
of the mechanisms put into place to pay for it. Democrats have generally had a
policy of finding revenue to pay for new programs. It is policy now in the
House of Representatives controlled by Democrats. The GOP doesn't believe
in paying your way. Only tax cuts with no expenditure cuts to pay for it.
Democrats please stop blaming one party. Both are so guilty. Please liberals
please don’t forget the main program that skyrocketed the national debt
was the passing of Obamacare, especially when Pelosi said we have to pass a law
to find out what’s in it. There was no pay as you go mentality from her
then. Let’s please be honest and unite against partisan
politics, if one party is wrong, don’t accept it when the other party also
does the same thing. I’ll take the arguments seriously from
the left when they decry Obamacare.
I wonder why there was no media outcry when Obama increased the Natl Debt by
almost 10 trillion? Any democrat who is fiscally concerned now are playing
partisan politics in a very ironic hypocritical way. So if people
are really concerned, let’s eliminate Obama care , turn the medical system
back to a competitive market, get the government out of healthcare, banking, and
other markets. Suddenly there would be trillions of dollars our taxes
wouldn’t be spent on.
Trump was the King of Debt (my his own admission) throughout much of his real
estate development career. Things changed when banks would not longer loan him
money, and questionable sources of cash emerged to expand his leveraged empire.
However, Trump was and remains someone who uses other people's money for
his own "empire".Trump, now in charge of the government
seems intent on pursuing this same course of action. Specifically using other
people's money to leverage government spending. In many instances, he is
using our own money to leverage ourselves! The Republican party, now a
subsidiary of Trump Inc, has developed spinelessness, and acquiesce to
Trump's every desire.And the very best excuse these so-called
fiscal conservatives, nee Republicans have now? Well the Democrats did it too.
That is weak tea, folks. And the what-about'ism is the last line of
defense for the indefensible.
In the most recent iteration of 'Mexico will pay' we were told that
all this extra money would flow into the treasury as a result of the USMCA.So, where is it? He wants us to pay for the wall and the millions to
justify Ivanka's security clearance and space force...where is all this
extra cash?It doesn't exist, and it never will. It's just
an insulting shell game at this point. Trump wants what he wants, the money will
have to be borrowed and his base will not care. The tea party is putting it all
on the credit card.
Pelosi and Dems reinstituted pay-go rules in the House. That's an action
one takes when they care about the deficit.
This deficit issue is solvable but neither party is interested.
...and the poor sucker Dem's will have to clean up the mess ...Again. And they'll have to do it while the GOP is screaming "the Dems
caused it," pathetic, but loyalists to the GOP don't seem to notice,
they really haven't changed their playbook for a while.
And just to bolster what Imperial7 had to say, just check the facts and
you'll find that since 1980, the only two presidents who have lowered the
deficit each year of their administration were Clinton and Obama. And yes, all
the right wing devotees will point to the ballooning of the national debt under
Obama but that is because of the massive tax cut passed by the previous
administration, but the deficits during those years were lowered each year.
Check it out. And to say, "No one in Washington cares" is just not
true. It's only the ones who've said for decades that they care whose
actions say otherwise.
Wasn't Donald Trump going to reduce the deficit, eliminate the debt, bring
manufacturing jobs back, make coal the major energy source, and build a 30 foot
concrete wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico and have Mexico pay for it?
I may be missing something here, but he has done very little of what he
promised. Yes, I will give you the two uber-conservative Supreme
Court justices he promised the evangelicals in payment for overlooking his
character and moral deficiencies. He's such a hero to them that they get
him to sign their bibles while insisting their own children don't try to
emulate him. He's not very good as a role model in their faith. Yet,
morality may be changing with them.But, hey, we always knew that
Republicans were only interested in decreasing the costs of government when
Democrats were in charge. And they have to make good to their big money donors
by giving them ever-increasing tax cuts which only grows the debt. At least its
not Democrats in the seat of power, they would say.We've yet to
see all those conservative deficit hawks in these threads say anything about the
issue most important to them when Barack Obama was in office. Now they are
Tea Party was founded in 2009-2010 based on extreme agitation about the rising
deficit, which effectively masked their main concern, a new president they did
not like. Tea Party also failed to note at the time the rising
deficit was largely caused by George W. Bush paying for two wars on the
government credit card.Tea Party is now the Freedom Caucus, also
known as the Trump Cheerleading Team. They no longer care about the deficit,
their original rally cry.Trump wants to give $100,000,000 taxpayer
dollars to daughter Ivanka so she can start some kind of woman's group.Freedom Caucus totally OK with this idea. Woo hoo. High fives. Trump is
owning the libs.
For those of you who didn't hear it, one old man - MSC, UT said,"Since Reagan, deficits and total debt have ballooned under the
GOP.And gone down under Democrats.Why and how can anyone
completely ignore the truth?But we know the answer to that
question.They are loyal Republicans."FelisConcolor -
Layton, UT;"Neither party has cared for 50 years ...."Simply amazing how some people can hear the truth and still ignore it.
Look at history.Since Reagan, deficits and total debt have ballooned
under the GOP.And gone down under Democrats.Why and how
can anyone completely ignore the truth?But we know the answer to
that question.They are loyal Republicans.
Funny. Debt and deficits shrink when Democrats are in leadership. But, when
"fiscal conservatives" balloon our debt, as Dick Cheney was caught
saying- "Deficits don't matter". Hypocrites.
"Neither party has cared for 50 years ...."Well, it's
nice to see that at least the Media care again, after ignoring the issue for the
We need to throw them all out for people who are fiscally responsible but can
still address the major concerns and needs of our country. This continuing
ballooning of the national debt and interest payments that go with it will end
up being the downfall of our country. The current interest alone on
the debt is $364 billion. That's from the federal budget for fiscal year
2019 (October 1, 2018, through September 30, 2019). You can't
keep just living on the credit card and not think that is going to blow up in
your face. Look at the needs we could address in our country with just what is
being spent on the interest alone. The great Republican tax cat we
went through just added to all fiscal concerns and hasn't done what he said
it would do. Other than to make wealthier people more wealthy. But, even these
people should be worried about the national debt, interest costs, and the
economic damage it can and will do.
Neither party has cared for 50 years ....