Utah hate crimes bill headed to House floor amid friction

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  • sman columbia, MS
    March 9, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    If States and the Federal Gov focused on Crime and Punishment there would be no need for hate crime bills. Murder is murder, assault is assault. Justice should be equal across the board not favoring any group.

  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    March 9, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted - March 8, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    One problem with your premise. "whites, rural residents, conservatives, heterosexuals, and conservative Christian churches" already receive preference at law. This bill is designed for the sole purpose of giving people who are not part of these preferred demographics (racial or sexual minorities, liberal groups, and non-Christian faith groups) equal standing at the law. It's not giving them any preference -- it is merely giving them equity. And that's how the law SHOULD handle this issue.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 9, 2019 9:04 a.m.

    If Smollett had perpetrated his phony 'hate' crime in Utah, would he be charged with a 'hate' crime against white people and Trump supporters? Anyone out there NOT know the answer?

  • mohokat , 00
    March 9, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    Beware folks it will be the Thought Police who enforce this.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 9, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    @captain green

    "We punish people for their actions... NOT for their thoughts!"

    Conspiracy to commit a crime.
    Attempting to hire a hitman.
    First/second/third degree murder.
    Attempting to pick up a prostitute.

    All crimes based on people's thoughts.

    We can and do punish people for their thoughts in this country, and we do it thousands of times a day.

  • J2 Riverton, UT
    March 9, 2019 12:02 a.m.

    "If we’re going to do it, then I support doing it for everybody," Palmer said.

    But Rep. Casey Snider, R-Paradise, said the bill already includes "basically, the bulk of humanity" and questioned the need for any additions.

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    If I'm reading this correctly, Casey Snider sees "basically, the bulk of humanity" as everyone but conservatives, whites, males, and Christians. Got it!

    This, ladies and gentleman, is an apt example of the core problem with hate crime bills. They will never be applied equally.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    March 8, 2019 4:34 p.m.

    Hate Crimes laws are totally unconstitutional! I can't believe the Utah Legislature is even considering one at all. Surely they know better! We punish people for their actions... NOT for their thoughts!

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 8, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    And yet, only certain groups are protected, while other groups do not get the same protections. Any mention of the group most likely to be victims of hate crimes, but not included in this bill will assure the comment doesn't get posted.

    Remove all groups so that all groups have equal protection and the bill becomes less offensive.

    Even with that, the problem is like the old voting literacy tests. While written to ostensibly apply to all, they really only were applied to disfavored groups. So it is with hate crime laws. They are written to protect many different groups, but are applied in a very lop-sided way. Crimes against whites, rural residents, conservatives, heterosexuals, and conservative Christian churches are most often not investigated nor treated as hate crimes while similar crimes against racial or sexual minorities, liberal groups, and non-Christian faith groups are immediately assumed to be hate crimes.