The reasoning that Donald lies all the time since all politicians lie all the
time and that makes it okay for the Donald to keep making false statements is
absurd. The Donald has become unaccountable for anything he states and it is
getting worse. No longer need evidence or oaths just a story and unquestioning
2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UTMarch 6, 2019 11:45 a.m."It's not a crime to have financial dealings with people in
Russia."Almost the same laws apply for financial dealings here
in the United States as it is in foreign nations EXCEPT an entity must let the
government know what kind of financial dealings with a foreign government
entails. All must be legal under U.S. law and not be against the interests of
the United States. This is why the national security intelligence agencies get
involved in investigating these business deals.Whether you consider
Donald Trump lying about his business interests in Russia are a problem,
we'll leave that to the courts. However, he lied to the American people
during the campaign which voters need take note. When 64% of the American people
think Trump committed crimes before he was elected president, one wonders how
this would have played out if this information was known before the election.Because of the questions raised, there is ample reason to investigate
all of Trump's foreign business and examine how it was financed and what
the specifics are. This includes his investments here in the U.S. Who owns it?
Who paid for it? And how?
wgirl - , 00March 6, 2019 5:37 p.m."Did Trump lie just
because he doesn't know how not to lie...he is a liar by nature, or did he
lie because there is something going on that he was trying to hide?"Both. Donald Trump lies as easily as he breathes air. Since he has this
narcissistic need to win and be the best, he has learned to lie to maintain the
illusion that he always wins and is the best. Why else would he get rich and
powerful friends to try and get his education records? Also, why does he have
everyone around him (including his own staff in the White House) sign
non-disclosure agreements? It's just his way and has become his
"normal" way of living his life.Also, Trump is aware of when
he runs afoul of public propriety and the law. In these cases, Trump lies and
demands others to lie on his behalf. This is the situation we have seen with
Michael Cohen. We may see it with Roger Stone and Paul Manafort and other
witnesses in the near future. But Trump is very aware of the lies in these cases
where he demands protection from those who have pledged loyalty to him.
We'll see how this works out as more evidence comes forward and people find
their positions in jeopardy.
The Great Helmsman - Salt Lake City, UTMarch 6, 2019 3:55 p.m."The founders did not create a system of co-equal branches of government.
Rather, they intended for the legislative branch to be dominant, as is evidenced
in the Federalist Papers."Co-equal as to the significance of the
work done by each branch. Not co-equal as to actual duties performed. The
legislative branch has more designated duties with the House as the prosecution
branch section and the Senate as the judicial branch section. This provides for
the "checks and balances" people understand.Each branch has
its respective obligations to the people. It is the people who hold the
government to account.. See excerpts from the Constitution below:Article I Section 1All legislative Powers herein granted shall
be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate
and House of Representatives.Article II Section 1The
executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of
America.Article III Section 1The judicial Power of the
United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts
as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
The phrase “checks and balances” was introduced by James Madison,
author of the constitution and future President, in commentary that describes
how each branch of government can restrain another (Federalist Papers #51). For
example, the President can veto laws presented to him by Congress, which can in
turn override his veto. Congress can also impeach members of the Executive
branch or the Judiciary. Members of the Supreme Court are approved by the
Senate.In practice, the Judiciary can declare laws unconstitutional,
even though not spelled out explicitly in the Constitution.Having
suffered at the hands of the monarch King George III, the framers of the US
Constitution were very wary of allowing too much power to concentrate in the
hands of one branch of government, or of one person in any branch.@The Great Helmsman - Salt Lake City, UT“Neither of the other two
branches can touch a member of the Congress.” Judicial review
can nullify Congress's laws, just not individual members.No member of
Congress is exempt from arrest on Federal charges!
@2 bits: "It's not a crime to have financial dealings with people in
Russia."True - so why did Trump lie so much about it?Why did Kushner try to keep it off his security pass application? Why - if they didn't do anything wrong, and it isn't a crime, then
why such an effort to cover it up?Did Trump lie just because he
doesn't know how not to lie...he is a liar by nature, or did he lie because
there is something going on that he was trying to hide?
@Bob67 - Glenn Dale, MD"Our constitution specifies a system of
checks and balances to prevent power grabs by the executive, or by any other
branch of government."Please show me where it says that in the
Constitution?The founders did not create a system of co-equal
branches of government. Rather, they intended for the legislative branch to be
dominant, as is evidenced in the Federalist Papers. Want proof?
Congress can remove officers from the other two branches (president, agency
heads, judges in district or supreme courts.) Neither of the other two branches
can touch a member of the Congress.
2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UTMarch 6, 2019 1:11 p.m."I
don't give him a pass. But I kinda understand how he got trapped."Trapped? By whom? You don't think that Donald Trump did anything
criminal, and it is his attorneys lying for him that got him in trouble? Maybe
you can clarify the lawyer-client interface in this series of scandals.It has been implied by Michael Cohen that Trump knew what he was doing and
communicated with his staff and lawyers what he wanted them to do. He wanted
loyalty and protection. Suggest you read up on Roy Coen, Trump's mentor and
quasi-father figure, and see how he learned to live amonst the more notorious
members of New York society. The money is very good, but responsible
lawyers don't usually lie except when they can be compromised by their
client. This is why RICO is so important in this case and evidence is gathered
from many places to get at the top of the criminal activity. New we will watch
as the evidence begins to be introduced to the public so they can see how the
investigators are building their case. Checks, letters, documents, and multiple
witnesses do a case make.This is not an assault on America. This is
a purge. A cleansing.
2 bits wrote 1:56 PM:"And it was pretty obvious he had at least
committed purgery . . . "Anyone who commits pergery should be
immediately sent to Purgatory!
Our constitution specifies a system of checks and balances to prevent power
grabs by the executive, or by any other branch of government.Michael
Cohen brought the checks to his hearings. Congress and Mueller have the
balances, for now. The people will speak in 2020!
2bitsThe Senate can't protect him from treasonous or felonious
Lia 10:04RE: "I love this...trump has nowhere to hide"...---That may make your day, but don't get too smug, he still has one
place, the Senate.Ds were the minority in Senate when Pres Clinton
was Impeached, and Senate voted to acquit him. And it was pretty obvious he
had at least committed purgery (he admitted he did after the DNA evidence came
out). Obstruction was a more subjective, but Senate acquitted Clinton of all
charges. It will probably be the same now. Especially where the
President's party has a comfortable majority in the Senate this time. And
it takes 2/3rds voting guilty. 67 of 100 have to vote guilty. Think 22 Rs will
vote guilty? 0 Ds voted guilty last time===RE:
"Mueller will drop a boatload of evidence that can't be shoved aside or
ignored.---I hope so. After all this time if it's not huge
both sides are going to be real mad.===RE: As ye reap,
so shall ye sow...how perfect"...---Are you saying that to
Democrats in Congress? Or to Trump?===RE:
"blowback"...---Blowback is why Ds have been told to not
talk about Impeachment yet. Not close to an election. Because there will be
blowback if Americans feel they overreached.
@FanOfTheSithRE: "Never lie to Congress in the first place or your
reputation and trustworthiness are floating down the filthy political
gutter"...---I don't give him a pass. But I kinda
understand how he got trapped.Lawyers (especially lawyer to rich and
famous celebrities) are trained to cover for their clients, and even lie to
cover for their clients. Even in court. They are used to standing before
judges in robes and lieing their heads off to get their clients off. Then they
appear before the politicians, and these guys don't look as impressive as a
judge, so they may still respond to that instinct to cover for their client.
And before they know it... they're in big trouble. For doing what they
were trained to do in college and what they've been paid to do every day of
their career until the day they walked into that room with politicians asking
the questions.Doesn't make his lieing OK. But layers are
kinda used to lieing and covering for their clients. It's probably hard
to resist what they've been trained to do all their life. and turn on their
clients.Politicians. Lawyers. Both have such a subjective and
situational relationship with the truth.
@ute alunmiStill clinging to fantasy.....
The hidden message of the story, never lie to Congress in the first place or
your reputation and trustworthiness are floating down the filthy political
gutter. It is funny to think that no one can lie inside a chamber,
occupied by more than a dozen liars (politicians). LOL!
The Quinnipiac University survey found that 64 percent of respondents believe
that Trump broke the law before taking office, while only 24 percent do not. The
rest either don't know or are unsure.Most Americans aren't
being fooled by the carnival barker.Something that evades the trump
supporters, is that Cohen lied to cover for Donald.
@ECRIf Cohen had been offered a Pardon by Trump... do you think he'd
be dishing on trump like he has the past 2 weeks?I doubt he's
been offered a pardon by Trump.Who got a pardon? Names.Pardons have to be announced, even Presidential pardons. I haven't
heard of any pardons announced... have you?Unless you know of
someone who was pardoned by Trump... sounds like fake news to me.
It's not a crime to have financial dealings with people in Russia.Russia has a big economy. So does China. If you do business
internationally... you're probably going to do some business with Russia,
and China. Trump ran an international Hotel line before becoming President.
He's probably going to have financial dealings with people in other
countries. They do business differently in Russia, but they still do
business.Jon Huntsman Jr (and Huntsman Chemical) have had financial
ties to Russia for decades. He's our Ambassador to Russia today. It helps
to know a little about Russia before becoming Ambassador to Russia.Huntsman Chemical had business dealings in China too. President Obama
appointed him Ambassador to China. A sin?I think you'll find
that doing business in Russia, or China, is not illegal. In fact a lot of
Americans, and a lot of American companies do business and have financial
dealings in Russia, and China. It doesn't make you a bad person.They also do business differently there. It's normal to have to pay
government officials to do business in Russia, or China. Nothing gets done
without the government's permission.
"Yeah, well...sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand". Cool Hand
LukeThat says it all for the libs/dems and socialists
"There is nothing inherently improper about a subject in a criminal
investigation seeking a pardon from a president given the president's wide
latitude in granting them."That sentence comes right out of the
Sean Hannity playbook. Of course there is something "inherently improper
about a subject in a criminal investigation seeking a pardon from a president
given the president", when the crime that subject committed is related to
work he did for that same president. William Barr was recently confirmed as the
new Attorney General of the United States and in his testimony to the Senate
Judiciary Committee, despite his continued obfuscation in answering a variety of
questions from the panel, when someone asked him if offering a pardon to someone
who has committed crimes that help the president, is a crime, Barr's one
word answer was, 'Yes."In his testimony before the
Oversight Committee last week, Mr. Cohen explained how Mr. Trump communicates
his issues - not with a direct order, but with a wink and a nod. There is not
doubt that Trump has offered up a pardon, through the code language Mr. Cohen
described, to those criminals who have not testified against him.
Michael Cohen’s January 2016 email to Dmitry Peskov and Ivanka
Trump’s October 2015 exchange with Dmitry Klokov — was ostensibly
about efforts to construct a Trump-branded building in Moscow. Donald Trump Jr., took a meeting with the deputy governor of Russia’s
central bank while attending the National Rifle Association’s annual
convention in Kentucky in May 2016. The meeting was arranged by a US
conservative activist named Paul Erickson, who got in touch with senior Trump
campaign aide Rick Dearborn to set it up, explicitly as a step toward creating
back-channel communications between Russia and the campaign.Trump
Jr., along with Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort, attended the infamous Trump
Tower meeting whose purpose was explicitly described as “part of Russia
and its support for Mr Trump” and was said to involve incriminating
information about Hillary Clinton.That Trumpworld was clearly open
to both political collusion and financial dealmaking with the Russian
government.The fact that all of this was lied about and swept under
the rug is further evidence that there was Russia-related wrongdoing that is
being covered up.
He needs an office there and staff. No spin can disregard the fact that he was a
major player on team Trump for years, until his office was searched by a search
This issue about a potential pardon is a canard, a red herring, intended to
throw everyone off the the main question: Trump's behavior. Who cares if
Cohen asked for a pardon or not. He lied, and he did so on behalf of Trump.
And he is going to jail. Where is the accountability for Trump? It's
another tactic by the Republicans to stir up a false controversy and point the
finger at the wrong person. The same thing happened with the Clinton e-mail
controversy. Step back at look at it objectively. The e-mails of the DNC were
hacked and supposedly released. This was twisted into finger pointing at
Clinton. Yet I did not see anything about the content of the e-mails that was
scandalous at all. Nothing. Clinton and the DNC were victimized, and
Republicans falsely asserted they had done wrong. It is all manipulation, and I
still can't believe the media fell for it. The same is true about the
Cohen pardon. It's a side issue, nothing more and not really relevant.
Look to Trump. That's where the problem is.
Cohen is just setting the table--I love this...trump has nowhere to
hide...and if he thinks he can tweet all of this away, he's sadly
mistaken. Mueller will drop a boatload of evidence that can't
be shoved aside or ignored.Nobody 'did this' to trump. Nobody randomly decided to investigate---trump has been begging for it
all along...it is his own lack of sense and decency that have precipitated all
of this investigation.As ye reap, so shall ye sow...how perfect.He has only his arrogant, lying self to blame for all of this blowback.