I am opposed to adding any new categories of taxes in Utah.My kids
piano lessons?Lawn care?Architectural services?Barbershops,
tuition, health insurance premiums, even plumbers?Who thought this
up? The public forum on this was brief, and now they want to rush
this complicated legislation through in less than two weeks. It's a
"rush" because only now is the public beginning to understand what is in
the bill. Just because something goes through a committee process in
government doesn't mean that it's a "studied" piece of
legislation. This needs to be examined much longer, and I mean in a
public forum, not behind closed doors.
If the justification for this bill is that sales of products are being replaced
by sales of services, why are they taxing services that were never previously
provided as products? Legal services, music lessons, consulting, etc. As I look
at the bill it is already rife with special interest lobbying. Why are some
services excluded and others are not? Are lobbying services going to be taxed?
I own a small business and we serve a lot of out of state clients
because our fees are much more reasonable than what our clients would get on the
coasts. I can't see passing this fee on to them, so it will come out of my
own pocket. If I can't pass this expense on to my clients then I'm
personally looking at losing thousands of dollars per year. If I do pass the
cost on to my clients, then I risk losing business and the competitive advantage
that we have here in Utah.
Tax reform is a serious issue - especially with a shifting tax base - an
deserves serous study and consideration. I'm glad that the legislature is
tackling the issue but this bill has all the hallmarks of poorly crafted,
ill-advised, rushed legislation. It's time for the legislature to punt on
tax reform.They should table this bill and establish a committee to
keep investigating the issue throughout the year and propose multiple potential
approaches to tax reform (5 or fewer) which could be publicly debated and
refined in advance of a future legislative session. When that process has played
out the legislature would have a broadly refined framework that they could use
to craft the finer details through legislative debate before passing tax reform.
This process would take longer but could be completed within a relatively few
years and produce a better tax reform outcome.
The worst thing about this bill could be its proposal to TAX HEALTH INSURANCE
PREMIUMS. Are you serious? We currently pay $1,341 a MONTH on our health
insurance premium. That is our single biggest bill. And the state of Utah thinks
it deserves a piece of that? Why? It is already breaking us. Medical expenses
are out of control, and Utah wants to add to that burden??? Please vote this
bill down, or change a few of the more ridiculous elements of it, like the tax
on health insurance premiums!
Sure would be nice if we had more Democrats... and I don't even mean a
majority, or even enough to filibuster on their own (though I'd appreciate
either), I mean like enough to filibuster nonsense if a couple Republicans side
with them which usually happens when something crazy is being proposed.
This is an insane bill & no one including the Governor or my senators have
any idea what's in it. I contacted them all & none of them could give
me a straight answer. It's all being rushed through with no public debate.
Nobody wants to take a position on it because they have no idea what's in
it. Just say no & let's have a full public discussion around this. If
the people of the state understood what this really was 90% would say NO WAY to
Every special interest has a reason this tax shouldn't apply to them. A
good tax is one that is flat and low, and this meets those criteria. Don't
give any exemptions to special interests and the tax will be low enough that the
risk and expense of trying to dodge it won't be worthwhile, and most
consumers won't even notice it. Move forward on tax reform.@redshirt: Property taxes are actually justifiable because they are kind of
like use taxes. They pay for police and fire protection, local roads, snowplows
and so on. Using the money for education is a stretch and I get your argument
there, but use taxes are the best kind of taxes because you are paying for the
services you use.
I have a better idea. Only 3 types of taxes should be had. We should only have
an income tax on individuals, or a use tax for products like gasoline. The third
would be a small tax on business profits generated outside of Utah. All other
taxes should be done away with.Sales tax is a tax for you to use
your own money. Property taxes are just forcing you to rent your property from
the government, you never actually own the property.If we did this,
we could have a single sheet of paper printed on one side to pay our taxes. It
would save the government a lot of money, and it would save businesses money. It
would take away a lot of the shell games that the government plays when raising
taxes because you see its effects immediately, it isn't hidden at a cash
register or hidden by calling it something else.
I don’t think HB441 has been discussed enough in and with the public.
Closed caucus discussions, quick comments at lobbyist provided meals and grunts
of acquiescence from legislative subordinates to leaders does not constitute a
real discussion with constituents and the citizens of the state.This
bill is 260 pages, over 8,000+ lines of “fine print”, few if any of
our august legislators will have cursorily glanced at the bill, let alone read
and studied it. I suggest that the GOP legislators offer an olive branch of
reconciliation to Speaker Pelosi and ask her to record her famous words
regarding the Affordable Care Act for HB441, roughly ‘we have to pass it
to see what’s in it’. May I opine on what is so bizarre
about the claim that the tax base is shrinking, the issue is because the economy
has a growing service component. Specifically the claim that smartphones are
replacing many products once purchased. I have a smartphone but I still buy and
eat groceries, drive a car, wear clothes, pay utilities. Phones may be used in
researching or pricing goods, they do not replace the goods. I find a hotel on
the phone but do not sleep in the phone.
This isn't "tax reform". That's GOP speak for middle class tax
increase. They are creating all kinds of new taxes on services and items never
taxed before. Those will be forever. We are at almost full employment. The
economy is hot. When we have a market correction and an economic slowdown
(it's coming) the Legislature will be complaining that the tax rate that
they did lower is not enough to sustain government spending. So, they will raise
that rate back to where it was (or higher) while keeping all the new taxes on
services that they are proposing. The GOP touts "fiscal conservatism",
but they don't do what they say. We can't afford this. NO on this tax
Because most profits are made from shorting labor, Utah needs a more progressive
(higher rates at higher brackets) tax system. It will not get it with this.
Working class people will continue to be shafted, maybe much more so than now.
But did we expect anything else from this legislature? This is worse than I