Utah hate crimes bill approved in initial Senate vote

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 5, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    Thomas Jefferson is correct, bills like this frighten right wing conservatives for some reason.

    This doesn't punish anybody who hasn't already committed a crime, and only applies to crimes meant to hurt a community or group thru acts of terror.

    It's not the thought police, they aren't trying to read minds, they are looking at evidence, and the evidence of the crimes reason or lack there of.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 5, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    The evidence of hate crime is speech. It must be expressed to be proved. So...isn't there something in the Bill of Rights about that?

    Of course, a prosecutor could attempt to prove hate without an expression. For example, Mr. Landlord would not rent to a gay couple, but rented the space to a straight couple. Therefore, his discrimination is a hate crime. But that is a very subjective allegation. Maybe the gay couple smelled of cigarettes or get a bad report from their reference or failed the credit check.

    How do you know why landlords chose couple A over couple B?

    So, it's either mind-reading or abrogating our freedom of expression. Neither prospect appeals to me.

  • China is Spying ,
    March 5, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    Identity politics is evil, and is used by our enemies to divide us. Hate crime legislation is just identity politics in law.

    Judges already have wide discretion in sentencing.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    It is very disappointing to see this added to what is an already disturbing trend toward institutionalized tribalism and bigotry inherent in the cherished group-identity politics of so-called "progressivism".

    Continuing down this path has always proven to be **very** bad.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    March 5, 2019 9:46 a.m.

    "--or a long list--- ": There is the problem.
    Sorry, you're not on the list-- nothing will be done.

    Isn't motivation a factor used by both defense and prosecution? Why take that away from the jury and the sentencing judge?

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    Every time this bill comes up our conservative posters get all up in arms. Its almost like they are worried that they will have their charges enhanced by it. Soooo worried.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2019 7:45 a.m.

    This is a completely misguided bill.
    The whole idea of "America" is that each individual is a "protected class".
    Breaking up the population into "special classes" just enhances the Liberal-Left's efforts to divide America. Socialism always takes hold under the premise of "protecting the people".
    Let's simply protect all people's rights.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 5, 2019 6:43 a.m.

    @NoNames;

    FYI; Heterosexual is a sexual orientation and thusly would be covered. Oh my!

    Your "favored groups" nonsense is just that, nonsense.

  • Romneyiswrongforutah Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2019 1:20 a.m.

    Let's just all stop acting like victims. A crime can always be considered hateful, so what does this bill even do.? Disagreeing, or misgendering with a Democrat is considered a misdemeanor nowadays.

  • 1Reader Alpine, UT
    March 4, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    This makes no sense, and it hurts freedom. This is yet another bill just to say that Utah has one of these things--so that we're more like most states.

    One thing I notice is that they don't mention numbers in these debates. It's all about rhetoric and feeling more secure since potential assailants will now weigh the greater consequence and not attack based on 'who someone is'. Maybe we need laws against crimes--wait, what??
    Oh, or maybe crimes will only be committed for good reasons--thanks to good policy-making like this. Phew; I'm glad we've now defined better reasons to attack someone. We're really lucky to have leaders with vision, intelligence and conviction to tell attackers, 'No!'. Well played, indeed. Utah is about to become a whole lot safer--and even more PC.

    The legislature needs to spend its time on real issues and real solutions.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    March 4, 2019 9:12 p.m.

    Thus we will be discriminating against a certain class of victims, strictly because they are not one of the protected classes.
    It is just as wrong, and the flip side of the same coin to discriminate negatively against some people or for other people.

    This bill is a mockery of the concept of "equal justice for all."

    Same on those advocating or voting in favor of discrimination in any form.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 4, 2019 7:58 p.m.

    If the purpose is to protect everyone, then why object to adding another category or two to the protected list?

    Obviously, this is about protected politically favored groups while not protecting other groups.

    Goose and gander, indeed. Clearly some animals are more equal than others.