Autoworker upheaval: Families split, children left behind

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  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    @2 bits wrote: "I've heard Tesla is hiring in California! They are growing, and hiring"

    Actually, Tesla just announced that it's closing its stores and doing online sales only. It's also laying off employees on the Model Y line.

    For those of you who can't work up any empathy for these GM employees, maybe you could at least spare a thought for the economy in general. Layoffs like these have serious ramifications for all of us.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    @The Great Helmsman,
    I don't care if we blame Obama or Bush. The point is... we (the USA) no longer has the ability to do manned space missions. And that's a fact. We have to rely on Russia to do any manned space missions.

    The original point was that they are still creating jobs at SpaceX, and at Tesla. Some of these workers could go work at Tesla. A few could go to SpaceX. They are growing.

    I've changed jobs 6 times in my career. Software Development is pretty dynamic and fluid. The company/product that's hot today usually isn't as hot 10 years later. And companies don't need as many developers after their product is developed. Layoffs are common. People leaving for better jobs is also common. So I may have grown to be a little tolerant of layoffs. They happen.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    March 4, 2019 8:58 p.m.

    Well, if someone is looking for a place to go to find empathy and compassion, it ain't here.

    Sheesh.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    March 4, 2019 5:55 p.m.

    It is a very sad thing that their job shut down but they are no different than a lot of us who have had to chase work Coast to Coast.

    Do what the rest of have done, get a travel partner, split expenses, stay in an extended stay motel, two checks later find an apartment, twenty dollars at Walmart gets the cooking utensils, dollar store food till you are caught up, junk store furniture, days-off travel home to see the families.

    Get tough or die!

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2019 4:17 p.m.

    @ 2 bits:

    It wasn't Obama that made the decision to abandon the shuttle. Obama wasn't even a senator in 2004 when Bush initiated the cancellation of the shuttle, as part of his Vision for Space Exploration, Bush announced:

    “…we will return the Space Shuttle to flight as soon as possible, consistent with safety concerns and the recommendations of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board. The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from service…"

    Obama was carrying out only what Bush and Congress agreed to. In fact, the last flight was 2011, so we got another year more out of the program than Bush proposed.

    Your desire to blame Obama for the end of the shuttle program is a dishonest failure. Google it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 4, 2019 3:13 p.m.

    @Great Helmsman -
    RE: "Nonsense. SpaceX is not taking over the role of government funded NASA"...
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    NASA currently has no capability... ZERO capability to launch manned space missions. To get our astronauts into space have to pay (OVER-pay) other countries to launch our astronauts to the space station. America 100% lost our capability to put men in space.

    We didn't just mothball the launch pad that was used to launch every Saturn Mission and every Space Shuttle mission. We dismantled it. NASA can't do manned space flight anymore. We lost that ability. We have regressed to where we were before the 1960s (no manned space flight capabilities).

    We abandoned NASAs ability to launch manned space missions completely when Obama was President. Google it. Or watch the program on Science Channel about SpaceX trying to restore America's ability to launch manned space missions.

    I know the government gives money to SpaceX, but Elon Musk is a one-man NASA today, restoring America's ability to launch manned vehicles into space, and getting them back alive. Till then... NASA has completely lost the ability to launch manned space missions and pays other countries to do it.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    @2 bits

    "SpaceX is doing pretty well too (taking over the role of government funded NASA). You could get a job there, if you're really smart."

    Nonsense. SpaceX is not taking over the role of government funded NASA. NASA is giving SpaceX taxpayer money to the tune of a $2.6B fixed-price contract for the development and operation of Crew Dragon. NASA is just farming out the work they used to do in-house.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 4, 2019 1:30 p.m.

    Geez folks back off. None of the people cited in the story were asking for handouts only explaining the personal dilemmas they faced. They all seemed willing to not only make a choice but accept the consequences of it. What's happened to empathy in this country?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 4, 2019 12:41 p.m.

    RE: "How do they explain to their kids that Mommy or Daddy is leaving and they'll see you on the weekends?"...
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    I would start with sitting down with them at dinner, and pointing at the food on the table, and ask them, Do you like food on the table? They will probably answer "Yes". Then explain that to do that (put food on the table every night) mom or dad needs a job, and the job here is gone, so we need to move to where the new job is. They will still be sad, but they would understand why...

    Jobs are not always permanent. More and more as our jobs become more agile we need to become more agile. People don't work at the same job in the same place for 50 years anymore. It's a new world. And it's going more this way in the future I guarantee you. 50 year job in the same place guarantee is probably a thing of the past, no matter how good your union boss is. When the job moves or changes... you need to be willing to move/change with it, or find something else. Which is also an option.

    But most kids understand their parents need jobs. So if you just explain that the factory closed and there is a job somewhere else.... they will understand.

  • Granny Saint George, UT
    March 4, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    "How do they explain to their kids that Mommy or Daddy is leaving and they'll see you on the weekends?" You just tell them. . .that Mommy or Daddy is leaving and they'll see you on the weekends.

    Thousands of families do this on a job relocation, probably every month. Thousands of families have dads or moms that work away from home for the entire week...every week. You just put as positive of an honest spin on the situation as you can, gird up your loins, make sensible plans and carry it out.

    How your children see you guide your family through this will be an incredible teaching opportunity. You just DEAL with it and move FORWARD. Teach your children that they can be resilient and do hard things.

    I agree with Third try's comments: The amount of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in the media is probably an attempt to make Trump look bad. Trump can do that all by himself!

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 4, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    This article is hype! People have been making career choices like this for generations, Starting in the 1960s, manufacturing has migrated from the rust belt, to the South, to Mexico and finally, Asia.

    Since when did they start writing pity pieces about it? Maybe its supposed to make Trump look bad.

    Usually, people make career choices out of self-protection. People who could see Sears failing (and it took over a decade) made decisions. Should I stick it out or put out my resume? Should I go back to school? What about self-employment or consulting? The Church self-reliance program helped them make plans.

    And Sears is just an example. There are hundreds of American companies that were turned into marketing/distribution brands designed and built somewhere else. Nothing new here.

    In the GM case, there was the government bail-out of the union. Are they hoping for more?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 4, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    RE: "Autoworker upheaval: Families split, children left behind"...
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    Sounds like yet another story about people trying to get across our border illegally to get jobs in the USA, not a story about American Citizens who can't find jobs that pay enough here.

    Maybe people will pay attention when it's American families that are being split up by economic turmoil that will only get worse in the USA in the coming years.

    One possible solution...
    I've heard Tesla is hiring in California! They are growing, and hiring, if you know how to maintain or program robots. Don't know if they will be able to replace all these jobs though.

    SpaceX is doing pretty well too (taking over the role of government funded NASA). You could get a job there, if you're really smart.