@2 bits wrote: "I've heard Tesla is hiring in California! They are
growing, and hiring"Actually, Tesla just announced that
it's closing its stores and doing online sales only. It's also laying
off employees on the Model Y line.For those of you who can't
work up any empathy for these GM employees, maybe you could at least spare a
thought for the economy in general. Layoffs like these have serious
ramifications for all of us.
@The Great Helmsman,I don't care if we blame Obama or Bush. The
point is... we (the USA) no longer has the ability to do manned space missions.
And that's a fact. We have to rely on Russia to do any manned space
missions.The original point was that they are still creating jobs at
SpaceX, and at Tesla. Some of these workers could go work at Tesla. A few
could go to SpaceX. They are growing.I've changed jobs 6
times in my career. Software Development is pretty dynamic and fluid. The
company/product that's hot today usually isn't as hot 10 years later.
And companies don't need as many developers after their product is
developed. Layoffs are common. People leaving for better jobs is also common.
So I may have grown to be a little tolerant of layoffs. They happen.
Well, if someone is looking for a place to go to find empathy and compassion, it
ain't here. Sheesh.
It is a very sad thing that their job shut down but they are no different than a
lot of us who have had to chase work Coast to Coast.Do what the rest
of have done, get a travel partner, split expenses, stay in an extended stay
motel, two checks later find an apartment, twenty dollars at Walmart gets the
cooking utensils, dollar store food till you are caught up, junk store
furniture, days-off travel home to see the families.Get tough or
@ 2 bits:It wasn't Obama that made the decision to abandon the
shuttle. Obama wasn't even a senator in 2004 when Bush initiated the
cancellation of the shuttle, as part of his Vision for Space Exploration, Bush
we will return the Space Shuttle to flight as
soon as possible, consistent with safety concerns and the recommendations of the
Columbia Accident Investigation Board. The Shuttle's chief purpose over the
next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space
Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be
retired from service
"Obama was carrying out only what Bush
and Congress agreed to. In fact, the last flight was 2011, so we got another
year more out of the program than Bush proposed. Your desire to
blame Obama for the end of the shuttle program is a dishonest failure. Google
@Great Helmsman -RE: "Nonsense. SpaceX is not taking over the role of
government funded NASA"...---NASA currently has no capability...
ZERO capability to launch manned space missions. To get our astronauts into
space have to pay (OVER-pay) other countries to launch our astronauts to the
space station. America 100% lost our capability to put men in space.We didn't just mothball the launch pad that was used to launch every
Saturn Mission and every Space Shuttle mission. We dismantled it. NASA
can't do manned space flight anymore. We lost that ability. We have
regressed to where we were before the 1960s (no manned space flight
capabilities).We abandoned NASAs ability to launch manned space
missions completely when Obama was President. Google it. Or watch the
program on Science Channel about SpaceX trying to restore America's ability
to launch manned space missions.I know the government gives money to
SpaceX, but Elon Musk is a one-man NASA today, restoring America's ability
to launch manned vehicles into space, and getting them back alive. Till
then... NASA has completely lost the ability to launch manned space missions and
pays other countries to do it.
@2 bits"SpaceX is doing pretty well too (taking over the role of
government funded NASA). You could get a job there, if you're really
smart."Nonsense. SpaceX is not taking over the role of
government funded NASA. NASA is giving SpaceX taxpayer money to the tune of a
$2.6B fixed-price contract for the development and operation of Crew Dragon.
NASA is just farming out the work they used to do in-house.
Geez folks back off. None of the people cited in the story were asking for
handouts only explaining the personal dilemmas they faced. They all seemed
willing to not only make a choice but accept the consequences of it.
What's happened to empathy in this country?
RE: "How do they explain to their kids that Mommy or Daddy is leaving and
they'll see you on the weekends?"...---I would start with
sitting down with them at dinner, and pointing at the food on the table, and ask
them, Do you like food on the table? They will probably answer "Yes".
Then explain that to do that (put food on the table every night) mom or dad
needs a job, and the job here is gone, so we need to move to where the new job
is. They will still be sad, but they would understand why...Jobs
are not always permanent. More and more as our jobs become more agile we need
to become more agile. People don't work at the same job in the same
place for 50 years anymore. It's a new world. And it's going more
this way in the future I guarantee you. 50 year job in the same place
guarantee is probably a thing of the past, no matter how good your union boss
is. When the job moves or changes... you need to be willing to move/change
with it, or find something else. Which is also an option.But most
kids understand their parents need jobs. So if you just explain that the
factory closed and there is a job somewhere else.... they will understand.
"How do they explain to their kids that Mommy or Daddy is leaving and
they'll see you on the weekends?" You just tell them. . .that Mommy
or Daddy is leaving and they'll see you on the weekends. Thousands of families do this on a job relocation, probably every month.
Thousands of families have dads or moms that work away from home for the entire
week...every week. You just put as positive of an honest spin on the situation
as you can, gird up your loins, make sensible plans and carry it out.How your children see you guide your family through this will be an incredible
teaching opportunity. You just DEAL with it and move FORWARD. Teach your
children that they can be resilient and do hard things.I agree with
Third try's comments: The amount of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth
in the media is probably an attempt to make Trump look bad. Trump can do that
all by himself!
This article is hype! People have been making career choices like this for
generations, Starting in the 1960s, manufacturing has migrated from the rust
belt, to the South, to Mexico and finally, Asia.Since when did they
start writing pity pieces about it? Maybe its supposed to make Trump look
bad.Usually, people make career choices out of self-protection.
People who could see Sears failing (and it took over a decade) made decisions.
Should I stick it out or put out my resume? Should I go back to school? What
about self-employment or consulting? The Church self-reliance program helped
them make plans.And Sears is just an example. There are hundreds of
American companies that were turned into marketing/distribution brands designed
and built somewhere else. Nothing new here.In the GM case, there was
the government bail-out of the union. Are they hoping for more?
RE: "Autoworker upheaval: Families split, children left behind"...---Sounds like yet another story about people trying to get across our
border illegally to get jobs in the USA, not a story about American Citizens who
can't find jobs that pay enough here.Maybe people will pay
attention when it's American families that are being split up by economic
turmoil that will only get worse in the USA in the coming years.One
possible solution...I've heard Tesla is hiring in California! They
are growing, and hiring, if you know how to maintain or program robots.
Don't know if they will be able to replace all these jobs though. SpaceX is doing pretty well too (taking over the role of government
funded NASA). You could get a job there, if you're really smart.