It could all end tomorrow where would I beDoes life go on or will it be
the end of meSeems a bit unfair to think that all I've learned and
doneBelongs to no one.Why should I cherish living if
there's no so called planWhy, I would have no future if it were left
to manI can't believe that we just happened and don't know what
forThere must be more.Why should I trust in a love that I
can't have foreverDoes it seem right to live a game of take awayShould I want for children if there isn't anymore for them to live
for.Maybe I'm a pessimist, then maybe I'm notOne
thing that I like to know is what I gotI don't want a miracle or see
you in the airBut are you up thereAre you everywhereDo you
really careAre you up there, Are you up there, Are you up
Around 1970 I was a foreign student at BYU. Elder Hafen was counselor to my
Stake President. At the time I had a spiritual problem I had not been able to
solve. I went to his office where Elder Hafen took all the time necessary to
solve my problem. When I left his office my problem was solved. He had also
given me a blessing which up unto this day has been a great inspiration in my
life. I have never met Elder Hafen since but he left an indelible impression
with me. I have always wanted to thank him and now I can do so in this unusual
@HUGSbetterthandrugs – “It takes great faith to believe only in a
combination of science and atheism.”This statement is
profoundly misguided not to mention a logical contradiction. First
of all, science only claims knowledge when it has good evidence for it. When it
doesn’t, it simply says “we don’t yet know.” It is
religion that then “fills in” those gaps with faith and belief, not
science. As for atheism, it has no beliefs (let alone creeds,
dogmas, orthodoxies, etc.). In fact it is the exact opposite of belief (thus
your logical contradiction) – it disbelieves in all gods, superstitions,
and metaphysical creeds, dogmas, and orthodoxies because there is no good
evidence to support any of those beliefs. PS – and everyone
knows exactly what it’s like to be an atheist. Out of the 10,000 or so
gods that have been postulated by humans in our history, even the most religious
person today is an atheist with respect to 9,999 of them. We atheists just
include one more god on our list than you do.
It takes great faith to believe only in a combination of science and atheism.
To clearly understand the gaps in science, quantum physics etc. it
requires to one to believe that something comes from nothing, and that the
multiple proteins in the human body spontaneously emerged from some primordial
soup and organized themselves into the complexity that is each of us. The
mathematical probably is so Infinitesimally small that over the perceivable
billions of years of the expansion of the universe one is more likely to win the
lottery multiple times, be struck by lightening multiple times and then be
resurrected and still not be in the same universe of probability.Do
not be mistaken atheism and science are a "religion". They have creeds,
dogmas, zealots and orthodoxies. In a world of ideasit is best to
be sensible and see things as they really are. Faiths or lack there of,
science, poetry, etc are tools to approach understanding. Blindly used is as
bad as blindly dismissed.
Faith and religion are not the same thing. Faith is an inherent characteristic
ln all animal life, especially in man. Religion is a man invented philosophy
mostly implemented as business. Like all business faith may play an important
role in its success. But it proves little of man’s subjective religious
faith because god isn’t objective. He, it, she is reenventet with every
new generation in thousands of different forms and manners to meet that
Some contrary views on faith:"Religion is a phase a species goes
through when it evolves enough intelligence to ask profound questions but not
enough to answer them." - Bill Flavell “Ancient humans
used the language of myth for that which they could not fathom.” Poul
Anderson“A wise man ... proportions his belief to the
evidence" – David Hume"Gods are fragile things; they
may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense." -
Chapman Cohen“Faith is the license religious people give
themselves to keep believing when reasons (and evidence) fail.” –
@ Fullypresent"The best way to overcome 'ambiguity and
doubt' is too seek the truth. Following truth allows you to also have
faith."Faith in religion? I ask because, when I follow the
truth I come up against the fact that religion is built upon assumptions: that
gods, the supernatural, a hereafter exist. To date, we can't distinguish
between these and emotional states. This reminds me of a personal
experience I had as I dealt with a horror unfolding before me. All of a sudden
and quite involuntarily, I physically felt a protective curtain descend between
my brain and reality, and I was filled with a sense that all would be okay.
This wasn't true. The horror happened. The very worst possible thing
(IMO) happened. But my psyche was protected from being overwhelmed and it
survived to eventually heal.I think believers would experience this
and point to a god. To me it's just a built-in feature of our brains.
Survival is the name of the game and that rush of calming chemicals was what was
needed to keep this organism going. Pretty awesome. And to me, attempting to
explain this with magical beings, attempting to make it all about us, only robs
it of its awesomeness.
>>The best way to overcome "ambiguity and doubt" is through
solid science and education...Well, sometimes. Before one can
declare the best way to overcome "ambiguity and doubt," one has to first
ask "ambiguity and doubt" about what? Science has no more business
trying to answer questions about whether there is a soul than does faith has
trying to answer questions about quantum physics.
I want to bear witness that having served with the Hafens in the St George
Temple, having been the recipient of their tender and loving ministeresting,
and owning and studying most of their books, my “feeling” is that
they are brilliant and beautiful people who have helped me to strengthen my own
faith in God Thank you DN for announcing the publication of this new book.
I’m grateful that they are still thinking sublime thoughts and having
Gospel conversations in book form.
The best way to overcome "ambiguity and doubt" is too seek the truth.
Following truth allows you to also have faith. What creates ambiguity and doubt
is not being told the truth. Not truth for the day or the time but truth that
withstands the test of time. When leaders do not speak the complete
truth it creates ambiguity and doubt for followers.
The best way to overcome "ambiguity and doubt" is through solid science
and education, not faith, which is nothing more than feelings.