Letter: How many spills will it take?

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 22, 2019 6:14 p.m.

    How many posts will it take?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted
    RE: "As with all things, "the poison is in the dosage" and the application"...
    ---
    So true.

    Almost everything is "Poison" when used in the wrong amount, or for the wrong purposes.

    And almost every poison is used in medicine, just in very small amounts, and used properly under professional supervision.

    Botulism, Arsenic, even radioactive poisons are used in medicine (in tiny amounts, used properly).

    Floride is no different.

    The problem here is... it was not used "properly" and in large amounts (which puts it back in the "poison" category). It made people sick. It exposed people to high levels of other things we should not ingest in large amounts (Copper, Lead, etc).

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 1:47 p.m.

    @ NoNamesAccepted
    Feb. 21, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    I see what you mean. All this poisoning of our water supply, evidenced by all the dead bodies piling up because of what we've been doing to the water for nearly 70 years!

    And Trump thinks the border is a national emergency?! We'd better get on this immediately, if not sooner! Think of the children, man!!

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    @barfolomew: "..., "this poison in our water supply." Yet...?"

    As with all things, "the poison is in the dosage" and the application.

    A reminder on basic chemistry. Sodium is a soft metal that when exposed to water will burn violently. Chlorine is deadly gas. But when combined together as SodiumChloride we get common table salt that is essential to human life.

    Small amounts of Sodium Fluoride, applied topically to teeth strengthens teeth enamal. But even the amount in toothpaste can be dangerous if small children routinely swallow rather than spit it out. Similarly, dental rinses use SodiumFlouride and direct the user to spit rather than ingest.

    In contrast, most culinary water supplies use hydrofluorosilicic acid (hexafluorosilicic acid), a by product of chemical production rather than FDA approved sodium fluoride.

    I brush my teeth with fluoridated toothpaste where I can control the dosage. I use an expensive RO filter to remove fluoride from my drinking water, where I can't control the dosage.

    @barfolomew:

    I seek consistency. If lead paint is dangerous, so too is lead stripping fluoride in water supplies. We drink a lot more tap water than we eat lead paint.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    @ NoNamesAccepted

    "We've removed lead from gasoline and paint, and require home inspections when buying and selling to protect young children from the dangers of lead poisoning...as if very many kids ever actually ate paint chips. Consumer protection advocates are outraged when toys end up having some small amount of lead in the paint. Actual reports of children being made ill from such toys are rare."

    "But we've got at least one child and multiple adults who are ill as a result of un-notified lead and copper in their drinking water as a result of a fluoride spill. And you think that is a "minor inconvenience"?"

    Well....
    You seem to be advocating that since very few children are actually affected by lead paint, that it's no big deal. But it seems you think this is a big deal because, "one child and multiple adults" have been affected by fluoride in the drinking water. Out of how many millions?

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    Do not conflate the benefits of fluoride with the technical problems associated with putting fluoride in our drinking water. Dental science is unequivocal, fluoridated water benefits society chiefly children. Done as intended it is both safe and effective. Labeling it as poison is disingenuous, emotional and counterproductive.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    No doubt this will revive the debate over the wisdom of putting this additive in our water.

    And it's NOT the same as Water chlorination Onion Daze. Water chlorination is done to insure the water is bacteria free and safe to drink. Our water is safe to drink without Floride. It's not the same thing. Don't pretend it's the same thing.

    Chlorination is required for the water to be safe, Floride isn't.

    Floride is good for your teeth, but most people get enough floride if they brush their teeth daily and go to the dentist regularly. Adding Floride to the water supply is to catch the rest of the people who don't.

    I don't care if they add it to the water, I'm used to it. But if you're going to add it to the water at least do it safely and don't poison the people drinking our water.

    Safety of the water we drink is a real thing. An important thing.

    I don't think adding Floride to my water is super important. I brush my teeth regularly, so I don't need it added to my water.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    @Opinionated: "But this minor inconvenience is nothing compared to the effects of not having it there"

    How many people should suffer the effects of lead poisoning just so some other people can get fluoride on their teeth without using fluoridated toothpaste or FDA approved fluoride rinses?

    We've removed lead from gasoline and paint, and require home inspections when buying and selling to protect young children from the dangers of lead poisoning...as if very many kids ever actually ate paint chips. Consumer protection advocates are outraged when toys end up having some small amount of lead in the paint. Actual reports of children being made ill from such toys are rare.

    But we've got at least one child and multiple adults who are ill as a result of un-notified lead and copper in their drinking water as a result of a fluoride spill. And you think that is a "minor inconvenience"?

    Sure glad I can afford a good RO filter system for my drinking water in case my city makes the same mistakes as Sandy. I'll take my fluoride in FDA approved and metered doses using food grade sources. I don't need industrial waste in excess amounts, thank you.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    @Onion Daze: "Water chlorination also involves the use of toxic chemicals. Sodium hypochlorite is often used to chlorinate water."

    And chlorination is required to make water safe to drink. It kills pathogens that cause serious human illness or even death. Excess chlorine is easily removed at the consumers tap with very inexpensive filters for those who have unusual sensitivities or health concerns.

    In contrast, water is perfectly safe to drink without any added fluoride at all. It is added for elective medicine purposes. It can be removed only with expensive and water-wasting reverse osmosis systems.

    If we are going to add fluoride to culinary water for dental health, should we also consider adding flu, measles, mumps and other vaccines to drinking water for public health?

    Why is it the same folks who get so concerned about phosphates entering the eco-system think nothing of dumping fluoride down the toilets, showers, and onto lawns?

    There is an obvious and clear difference between making water safe to drink, and using the water supply to deliver elective medications that some persons do not need nor want and may be harmful to them.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    The letter writer says it's ruining people's health to put, "this poison in our water supply." Yet, they advocate for using, "fluoride tablets or rinse" instead.

    Well, which is it?

    If fluoride is a "poison," then why should people ingest it in any form, pills, rinse or otherwise?

    @ ConservativeCommonTater

    "Everyone knows that it's a government conspiracy to put fluoride into our water as part of a program of mind control."

    I really hope that was sarcasm. If not, someone needs to send a whole team of psychiatrists to you house.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    Another letter from a person who has been duped by conspiracy theories.

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    Water chlorination also involves the use of toxic chemicals. Sodium hypochlorite is often used to chlorinate water.

    Hydrofluosilicic acid and sodium hypochlorite are unknowns to 99% of the community, but are great to stimulate fear.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    Everyone knows that it's a government conspiracy to put fluoride into our water as part of a program of mind control.

    Apparently, it's working.

  • Opinionated Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 7:27 a.m.

    Delpha, this is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But there is A LOT of proof to support putting flouride in the water. Yes, there are always trade-offs. But this minor inconvenience is nothing compared to the effects of not having it there, if you believe many experts. Again, there are always "experts" on both side of any issue, correct?