Utah House committee OKs bill to ban abortions after 18 weeks

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  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    Personally, I accept that an abortion terminates a potential life. I also accept that killing in self-defense, defense of others, or in war can be moral, depending on the circumstances. Same with abortion. It's a matter of balancing the competing moral rights involved and making a difficult decision.

    Each case is unique and I trust the women, their families and their doctors much more than I do a bunch of uninvolved politicians to make the best decisions under trying circumstances.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    Feb. 21, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    “Politicians claim to be caring and compassionate, yet feel it's ok to kill a baby minutes before and after birth.”

    The fact you claim having a career in the education field as a teacher is absolutely terrifying, then all one must do is investigate facts regarding the horrendous underperforming public schools in Texas and this state’s ongoing attempts at limiting a women’s constitutional right to choose for a more clear understanding. Thank you once again Worf for not only proving to be grossly misinformed, but also showing the educated demographic how utterly desperate your “ilk” has become by constantly posting propaganda rather factual information.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    Water Rocket: " Incidentally, this is one of those issues where the judicial branch of government decided what the law should be, in defiance of the legislative branch of government, who is supposed to make the laws."
    No, what the Supreme Court did was resolve disputes over law that had been raised in various jurisdictions. The question was whether various restrictions on abortion comported with constitutional guarantees for the pregnant woman. That a legislature somewhere has passed a law does not automatically mean that the law is constitutional, thus the appeal to the courts. Perhaps the legislature should finally consult the Constitution before passing the law.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 10:26 a.m.

    "I believe that we should be able to enact reasonable abortion laws that reflect the wills of the people of Utah," Acton said.

    This legislation should also reflect any medical indications for terminating a pregnancy that may not be diagnosed after 18 weeks gestation. Allowing the legislature to practice medicine is a backward step in pubic health.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 21, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    Difficult mixing the two outlooks.

    Politicians claim to be caring and compassionate, yet feel it's ok to kill a baby minutes before and after birth.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    I think we can see that the GOP is willing to waste possibly millions on a message bill for a fetus.

    When it comes to taking care of people who are already here, to bad, health care is a privilege for others your poor, just suffer and go, we need that healthcare money for lawyers to argue settled law.

    Dr. Cara Heuser spoke against the bill on behalf of Intermountain Healthcare, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and the Society for Maternal Fetal Medicine. She said an ultrasound where doctors would begin to find abnormalities occurs between 18 and 20 weeks of gestation.

    "I am a doctor who cares for women with complicated pregnancies. My entire career is based on having healthy moms and babies. Sadly that is not always possible," Heuser said.

    She said the requirements for the exceptions in the law are confusing and show a lack of understanding.

    "These circumstances are gut-renching for families and their decision process is thoughtful and deep. Their autonomy and their ability to decide what is best for their individual circumstances is one of the only things that makes these unbearable situations a bit more bearable," Heuser said.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 6:40 a.m.

    So, they know this is an unconstitutional bill. They know they will lose in court. They know it will cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to defend in court. Yet, they vote for it anyway. Make them post personal bonds when they pass a bill, that their own in-house counsel says will fail. Best managed State?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Feb. 21, 2019 6:37 a.m.

    @alta1;

    Utah needs to step up to the challenge and declare that forcing a woman to carry a zygote all the way to birth is enslaving the woman to the zygote for 9 months.

    For crying out loud, you all claim that "forcing" a business to bake a cake for a gay couple enslaves the baker to the gay couple for just a few hours, why is it okay then, to enslave a woman to a zygote for 9 months?

    @NoNames;

    Just as science is readily co-opted and paralyzed by religion.

    @JSB;

    It isn't "pro-abortion"; it's pro-CHOICE. There is a vast difference.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 6:02 p.m.

    Big government, which Republicans claim to despise, telling women and their doctors what to do.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 5:54 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted
    The part of the brain that is required to register pain does not exists until the 28th week and the part of the brain that we recognize as conousness does not exists until week 30. As far as science goes they do not have a universal definition of when life ends and actually remains a point of debate within the medical field. The problem with trying to define when “life” begins is elusive because a defensive notion of what is life is elusive. Are the senate Nile cell organizims that hold the codes for human life? It is a philosophical and theological debate not science. I am most comfortable with defining human life at 30 weeks when contiousness first exisist but that’s just me (not science).

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 5:00 p.m.

    @Tolstoy: "really please do site for us we’re sceince has made any proclamation of when life begins...hint science makes no such deceleration."

    Proving that "science" is readily coopted--or at least paralyzed--by politics.

    When does life end? For a long time, it ended when the heart stopped beating and could not be revived. We now understand the difference between brain/legally dead, and fully dead. We know that a frozen dead person is maybe not dead until they are warm and dead.

    But for legal purposes in our society, medical science has provided us a very clear definition of when life ends: It is when brain activity ceases and cannot be revived. Various tests--both physical and using advanced medical scanners--determine conclusively when a person is dead such that turning off life support or harvesting his vital organs is not actually ending his life.

    There is absolutely no valid rationale for not taking the same approach as to when human life begins: A level of Brain activity to register pain and be sentient.

    The only reason not to take this approach is political because it would ban most abortions somewhere between 8 and 20 weeks depending on the exact definition used.

  • alta1 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 4:33 p.m.

    Utah needs to step up to the challenge and declare that taking a life from Zygote to Birth is immoral and illegal! All the game playing and discussions ad nauseam about when life begins and when pain enters is past ridiculous. Growing life is growing life. All those perpetuating and buying into this "game" were once a ZYGOTE.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 3:58 p.m.

    @jab
    “. This is an unscientific,..” really please do site for us we’re sceince has made any proclamation of when life begins...hint science makes no such deceleration.

  • JSB , 00
    Feb. 20, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    What is so sacred about 18 weeks? In discussions with pro-abortionists, they have tried to convince me that until the human organism has reached a certain stage of development the organism is not living therefore it is not taking a human life. This allows them to commit murder without it bothering their conscience. This is an unscientific, desperate attempt to deny the biologically obvious: if something is metabolizing, it is alive, not dead. After fertilization, in a process called mitosis, the chromosomes in the zygote line up, replicate, pull apart and then the cell divides into two cells. This mitotic process duplicates millions of times as the zygote goes through the germinal, embryonic and fetal stages of human development. The whole time it is metabolizing, therefor it is alive, not dead. If it were dead, the metabolic cell divisions wouldn't happen. Trying to convince oneself or others that a living, metabolizing organism is actually dead because it hasn't reached a certain stage of development reveals more about the blind, subjective opinion of the pro abortionists than it does about human life.

  • water rocket , 00
    Feb. 20, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    Does saying 18 WEEKS sound any better than four and a half MONTHS? At this point the fetus (the unborn child) is already formed and growing. It has a heart, but do those who want to kill it have one? I say that it is time for Ruth Bater Ginsburg of the Supreme Court to step down so that this issue can be correctly resolved. Incidentally, this is one of those issues where the judicial branch of government decided what the law should be, in defiance of the legislative branch of government, who is supposed to make the laws.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    Can anyone say "lawsuit"?

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 11:50 a.m.

    Unconstitutional and a waste of taxpayer dollars...but at least the sponsors get to pander using our money.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 11:41 a.m.

    I would hope that the State Legislature would at some time begin to really explore what is the moral basis of a living entity with a right to life. The narrow vote on this issue is a pause for hope and that the Legislature is taking this issue rather seriously. Yet until our State begins to grapple with the more fundamental moral issues involved here, abortion will continue to divide our community and country. It's time to take a closer look at this issue instead of talking passed each other.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    Dealers in death are at it again.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 20, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    What is the reasoning for raising the abortion deadline from 15 to 18 weeks? Some want to kill the unborn at birth.