Salt Lake police investigating potential hate crime caught on video

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  • Whazzzzzzzupppp Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 5:10 p.m.

    "Being drunk doesnt make you think things you didnt already think"
    It can certainly make you more likely to say them or act on them. Your comment illustrates that hate crime legislation is really about punishing thought crimes, which the left will happily do once they have the technology. China is well on its way with the "social credit" system which merely extends the kind of censorship and shaming common on US social media platforms.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    Whazzzzzzzupppp said:

    "This sounds like a drunk crime, not a hate crime. Drunk people say things all the time that would be completely out of character when they're sober."

    I disagree. Drunk people sometimes say the things they think but keep to themselves when sober. Being drunk doesnt make you think things you didnt already think and you dont say things without them being in your brain to begin with.

    I hope this guy gets caught and does some serious time.

  • Whazzzzzzzupppp Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 4:26 p.m.

    This sounds like a drunk crime, not a hate crime. Drunk people say things all the time that would be completely out of character when they're sober.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 9:41 a.m.

    @Shaun: "Are you against those?"

    I favor them if written and and applied equally. I oppose them if applied to Hispanic or black gangs while giving Italian gangs or the KKK a pass, and vice-versa. What about you?

    Capital punishment just gives prosecutors another tool to work with. It is really just an enhancement for the most serious and heinous of murders. Of the 7 persons execucted in Utah since 1976, there can be no doubt of guilt. Do you suppport capital punishment the way Utah uses it? Or do you only support some enhancements while opposing others?

    Do you believe that hate crime laws should protect all groups? Or only those groups that are favored by one side or the other? Why do hate crime laws leave out various groups that the left doesn't like such as independent workers and lawful gun carriers? Why are crimes against conservative churches so rarely investigated as hate crimes?

    I can be persuaded of many different social and legal policies from quite libertarian to fairly authoritarian. What I seek is consistency of policies as they affect various groups on the left and the right.

    Are you consistent or merely partisan?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 8:19 a.m.

    This attack was disgusting, and illegal.
    The prosecution and punishment should be no different than if the alleged assailant struck someone because they were wearing a Make American Great Again hat, or a LDS CHurch missionary name tag, or just because they wanted to punch someone wearing glasses or listening to music.

    Crime is crime, and equal justice under the law demands that equal actions result in equal punishment.

    If you want to increase the penalty for violent physical attacks, let's do it. But, it is immoral to make some victims more equal than others just because they can claim membership in some arbitrary special category.

    Despite Orwell, no animals should be more equal than other animals.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    "a bill sponsored by Sen. Daniel Thatcher, R-West Valley City, which aims to enhance the punishment for targeting victims because of race, religion, sexual orientation or other characteristics. But Senate President Stuart Adams said recently a majority of Senate Republicans aren't supporting the bill."

    Because they are complicit. They either dont care or support this kind of action.

  • fani wj, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 7:20 a.m.

    Remember Jussie Smollett's fake hate crime story with all the liberals that jumped to his aide only to run for cover when the truth is now being revealed? The lesson for the liberals do not jump to conclusions until we know the full story - from the liberals commented, they haven't learned

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 9:11 p.m.

    @Shaun: "Are you against those?"

    I favor them if written and and applied equally. I oppose them if applied to Hispanic or black gangs while giving Italian gangs or the KKK a pass, and vice-versa. What about you?

    Capital punishment just gives prosecutors another tool to work with. It is really just an enhancement for the most serious and heinous of murders. Of the 7 persons execucted in Utah since 1976, there can be no doubt of guilt. Do you suppport capital punishment the way Utah uses it? Or do you only support some enhancements while opposing others?

    Do you believe that hate crime laws should protect every possible group? Or only those groups that are favored by one side or the other? Why do hate crime laws leave out various groups that the left doesn't like such as independent workers and lawful gun carriers? Why are crimes against conservative churches so rarely investigated as hate crimes?

    I can be persuaded of many different social and legal policies from quite libertarian to fairly authoritarian. What I seek is consistency of policies as they affect various groups on the left and the right.

    Are you consistent or merely partisan?

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 7:29 p.m.

    hate crimes aren't needed. assault is already against the law.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 6:17 p.m.

    @no names

    Enhancements just give prosecutors another tool to work with.

    There are gang enhancements. Are you against those?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 6:02 p.m.

    @Henry Drummond, @shamrock, @Impartial7,

    I oppose this all other violent crimes.

    But help me understand. Adding a one-degree enhancement at the time of sentencing will deter hate crimes.

    But imposing capital punishment won't deter murders?

    Imposing harsher penalties for DUI won't deter DUI? Lowering the DUI limit won't deter DUI. Imposing "common sense" controls on alcohol sales won't deter DUI, alcohol abuse, or other alcohol related problems?

    We desperately need "judicial reform" because guys who mug old ladies or burgalize homes to feed their drug habits don't need more jail time, they need rehab. But the solution to the mental illness that is bigotry is to impose longer jail terms?

    Message bills against terminating the life of unborn babies are bad, but message bill against hitting homosexuals are essential?

    Again, I oppose all violent and property crimes. I am very much in favor of self defense rights. I support the Pink Pistols philosophy that "Armed gays don't get bashed."

    I'm just trying to find any thread of consistency in the policy views held by my left-wing neighbors. Seems to me you are only tought on some crimes and only support some messages. Why?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 5:46 p.m.

    @Impartial7: "Hate crime? In Utah?"

    No. Hate crime in Salt Lake City, one of the very few locales in Utah where Democrats / liberals are solidly in charge. Salt Lake City, where a couple of sworn peace officers abused a nurse just doing her job in an ER. Salt Lake City, where both the SLC PD and the UoU PD failed to protect a college coed from a violent criminal on parole. Salt Lake City, that turned a blind eye when a couple of cowboys were assaulted for having a southern pride bumper sticker on their truck.

    This crime did not occur in Draper, Provo, Eagle Mountain, Bountiful, Centerville, Logan, Hurricane, nor other cities with higher LDS/GOP populations. It happened in the most liberal city in the State.

    If you want to make this about culture, Utah doesn't even crack the top 10 States for per capita hate crimes. Solidly Democrat Michigan is #1 at 6.38 hate crimes per 100,000 residents.

    There are legit debates to be had about hate crimes legislation generally or any bill particularly. For anyone to suggest that Utah has a major problem with hate crimes because of GOP or LDS majorities is to replace all facts with overt bias and hatred that is beyond irrational.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 5:37 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning
    You seem to have read far more into impartials post then was actually there.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 18, 2019 5:00 p.m.

    Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 2:01 p.m.
    “Hate crime? In Utah? The legislature and the church have disallowed a hate crime bill.”

    Not everyone in Utah is a member of the church.

    And not every member of the church has the same views.

    So, to paint every member of the church and every resident of the state with the same broad stroke simply demonstrates your own bigotry.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 18, 2019 2:32 p.m.

    There is no excuse for this - and there's no excuse for the Utah Legislature to sit calmly by while it continues to happen.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 2:14 p.m.

    And yet our Legislature continues to dither about whether to enact a hate-crimes bill. Shocking.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    Hate crime? In Utah? The legislature and the church have disallowed a hate crime bill. It's OK in Utah.

  • Grand Bargain Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    LOL! Who notices the camo print shoes and designer belt the attacker wore??? Still, a great description to track down this guy. Well done.

    So sorry this had to happen to Sal and friends.