whitness--It's much the same for immigrants today, except much more
difficult. IF someone can get an immigrant visa, they must wait 1 year to get
permanent residency (a "green card"), then 5 years more before they are
eligible to apply for citizenship. Just as in the past, they must pass an
English test in both spoken and written English, pass the Citizenship test on
history, civics, and geography (something that a majority of American citizens
cannot pass--how many people do you know that can name all of the justices on
the Supreme Court? Or name the succession to the presidency after the VP? Or
know who the Senate Majority Leader is?) similar to the one that we had decades
ago. They also have to promise loyalty. There's even a formal oath
ceremony. Things haven't changed all that much as far as citizenship
requirements. But now, it's much harder to get an immigrant visa--the only
kind with a path to citizenship. You can't just show up at Ellis Island (or
anywhere else) even if you have sponsor.
I need to clarify some things. This article is about asylum seekers. It is 100%
legal to seek asylum in the US, and by US law as well as international treaty,
it DOES NOT MATTER how or where they enter the US. It is difficult to get
asylum, more so under this administration that others. Those who are allowed in
this country as asylum seekers, rather than detained as asylum seekers are
permitted to do so because they have passed a "credible fear interview"
AND are families with minor children, are disabled, or have other special needs.
Almost all show up for their court dates where they must prove their asylum
claim. The do not have a right to legal representation, though if they can find
and pay for a lawyer they may do so. Those in detention rarely get legal
representation and are therefor rarely granted asylum. It is a false assumption
to say that if we don't help them they won't come. They might die if
they stay home. They are fleeing from organized crime--gangs, but on a far
greater and powerful level than anything we have here in the US. Sometimes they
are also fleeing starvation, though this will never pass even a credible fear
interview, let alone be granted asylum.
If the church really wants to help "asylum seekers" offer to pay for
their flight from Mexico City to Canada. At ~$400, It is much cheaper than
paying the human traffickers, or packing in a backpack full of drugs to pay for
their passage. They can get asylum in Canada. This protects schools
in the US, and the migrants get the benefit of the Canadian welfare state.If you really care about these people and really care about the United
States, this is a much better solution than helping fund the terrorist drug
All of my ancestors came to America from Germany, Ireland, Scotland, England.
They obeyed the laws of our land.. thus came here legally through Castle Garden,
Ellis Island and other ports. Many were very poor and sold possessions to pay
for their voyage. Some were sent back for illnesses or criminal records. Most of
them had to be sponsored by a relative already in our country who helped them
get settled, find a place to live and get work. Most went through an intense 5
year process to become naturalized citizens including filing a Declaration of
Intention, serous study of our history, laws and the English language. They had
to pass a test. They promised loyalty to the United States in front of
witnesses. Walking across our borders is wrong and has nothing to do with lack
of compassion. Our country already sends tons of aid, through our tax dollars,
to assist other countries to help fix their problems. If we enter another
country illegally we'll be thrown into jail.
Most of the comments against “these people” trying to come into our
country are almost entirely concerned about the financial cost of taking care of
them. They seem to be so obsessed with their pocket book and someone taking
their money to care for the poor that they clearly loose sight of humane thing
to do. As to those who claim its illegal, well, some it may well be illegal.
Who are you to judge? I am sure you have broken the law on occasion every time
you commit a crime, such as speeding, texting while driving, running a red
light, driving without a headlight or the thousands of traffic code violations.
They come to America because we are a light that has lite the world for over 200
years! They come because millions of came before them to try to make a better
life for their children. They come because of freedom and our constitution.. We
should welcome them and put them to work and make them better people.
That’s what America is all about. We are not about walls— separating
children from their parents or demonizing people who wish to come here. We are
Americans and we should act like it.
I think this story highlights the important difference between politics
(including laws and social policy) and personal religious obligation.I feel a personal religious obligation to help those in need. So I donate
freely of my money to organizations that help those in need, including to The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.There are people at our
southern border who are in need. Whether they are in need due to circumstances
beyond their control or due to their own bad choices makes no difference to my
religious obligations to assist them to the degree I can. I cannot run faster
than I have strength, and all things must be done in wisdom and order.At the same time, and mostly independent of my religious beliefs, we are a
nation of laws that must protect its citizens from terrorists, drug dealers, and
other criminals, cannot admit the 3,000 million persons worldwide who want to
emmigrate, cannot provide welfare to the entire world, and therefore must have
immigration and border control.As an individuals, I can provide
charity. As a citizen of this nation, I support border security.I
see no conflict in obeying the laws while helping those in need.
Jesus would say to the people that cannot do math: "Wherefore, have
compassion on the poor that art $22 Trillion in debt and give to them of thine
substance."Doing some quick math, each U.S. citizen currently
owes around $70,000. A family of five owes $350,000. We could use a little
Which one of you, having a family in difficult, even desperate, circumstances,
would not try to take them to a better place?Only about 30% of these
legal asylum seekers will be successful. The other 70% will be sent back to
lives of desperation, much to the satisfaction of many posters here.Coming to a port of entry and begging for asylum, as did the people in this
story, is legal under U.S. law.
Is it not dangerous lawless and an attack of enemies. They should evacuate to
the back lines.
@Unreconstructed Reb"...who are willing to spend billions on a
futile border monument to one man's ego, to understand this basic fact as
part of the national conversation of the issue."I refer u to an
article in DN by CEO of The Undeground Railroad Tim Ballard."We ask
them to honestly consider whether or not they have ever run rescue operations
along the border and truly understand how the complexities of border operations
function in the real world. We ask them to consider whether or not they have
ever utilized the wall and accompanying ports of entry to rescue children. We
ask them to consider why every agency and organization who has carried out child
rescue operations at the border — the experts — support the building
and construction of a wall or barrier. Mexican authorities have uncovered at
least 19 different land-based smuggling routes where victims are taken and
trafficked for sex in the United States. Downplaying the crisis with
disinformation puts our children in grave danger."Tell me, do
YOU care about the innocent children or your attitude toward Predident Trump
DN Subscriber: It is legal to come and request asylum. IT IS LEGAL. These are
children of God.
Now, what is needed is volunteers to escort these people back to their countries
and help them and the rest of their countrymen to fix the problems in those
countries. There are millions upon millions of people in those countries. That
would be humanitarianism, indeed, that would benefit far more people. Real
solutions; not bandages.
Third Try,You claim that the vast majority of asylum seekers
disappear after their arrival. But the DOJ, who should know, says that 89% of
them appear before the asylum judge at their court dates. It is true that most
of them are denied asylum. That seems to mean that you have much less to worry
about that you think. The idea that they are released after arrival, never to
be found again, is patently untrue.
An unfortunate reality is that very, very few of these people qualify as
legitimate refugees. "Humanitarian aid" to people who would lie and
exploit our system to gain illegal entry is incredibly naive and misguided.
@Unreconstructed Reb - BE, 00Thanks for clarifying. You are
correct. Just curious if you have been to the border?
Many people in this thread have commented "what would Jesus do?"Well, we actually do have a Biblical position on what Jesus thought of
illegal border crossings:Acts 16:6-8Paul's Vision of the
Man of Macedonia6 Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region
of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the
word in the province of Asia. 7 When they came to the border of Mysia,
they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Thank you for this article. In this world there is too much contempt for the
poor, and those who suffer because of bad leaders and greed. These attitudes are
also in our country, no matter the political affiliation.
Asylum migrants or economic migrants? Why not process asylum requests in their
own countries as has been proposed instead of subjecting 70% of the women to
rape on the dangerous trip to the border through Mexico? What is the percentage
of males to the women and children who are migrating and why are they abandoning
their families at home? Why encourage a system that facilitates child
trafficking at the border? Is it showing true compassion by encouraging the
formation of these caravans that are dangerous for the women and children who
The only help they'll get from me is and invitation to turn around and go
back where they came from
Where's the morality in enticing people to come here?
This is a self imposed humanitarian problem. Why is the church not following
their own doctrine of 12th Article of Faith. I don't understand aiding
criminal activity “As illegally entering this country”.Most of these people will not find work that they are qualified to do, so they
will seek aid with taxpayer dollars. I don’t know the solution. I would
like to see illeagal imigration halted. Everyone would be better off if that
happened. If the USA would stop waving a carrot for these people to risk their
lives, maybe they would seek reform in their own country.
The Wall of Jericho is in the Bible. Jesus is in the Bible. Therefore, Jesus
would support the Mexican Border Wall.
It is disappointing, though unsurprising, that the most liked comments all seem
to have missed a central flaw to their arguments that the law must be upheld and
lawbreaking discouraged.It is not illegal to arrive at the US border
and request asylum. These are not lawbreakers. I expect people who pontificate
about illegal and legal immigration, and who are willing to spend billions on a
futile border monument to one man's ego, to understand this basic fact as
part of the national conversation of the issue. And I think that
many of the people who refuse to let this fact affect their thinking are like
the lawyer who, having heard Christ declare that the two great commandments are
to love God and love our neighbors, immediately tried to hedge on the obligation
placed on him by not-so-innocently asking, "Who is my neighbor?"
America is a country of immigrants. With papers and without papers. That is how
this country was founded. And with the immigrants, comes some bad apples, yes
murderers and other criminals of the vilest sort. It has been that way since the
founding of our country. Italian mafia, Irish, English, russian, German and so
on and so on. Now we have people coming into our country from the south seeking
a better life for their families and willing to work and do the jobs that most
Americans are unwilling to do. What is the difference between now and the 200
plus years we have been a nation? America has always taken in the down trodden,
the hungry the sick and the oppressed. I am greatful that these people are
helping them. It is the right thing to do.
@DONT ASK Detroit Michigan Asylum seekers are not here illegally.They are following the law. It seems impossible for some to grasp this
You know seeing all of the children makes me feel sad, but it still doesn't
change the fact that we DO need border security.. I don't agree with a lot
that Trump says, but I do admire that he is doing what he said he would do, and
I DO agree with the wall. If it is that easy for illegal immigrants to
come across our borders, then that means that terrorists will have an easy time
as well, and don't think they haven't researched this as well. Something needs to be done about immigration, but there are a lot of other
things that need to be dealt with as well, you have to prioritize what is best
for our country.Enough of taking care of other countries, lets take make
the USA #1 again, and then move from there. I bless god every day for what I
have, and I pray for the others who don't and are going through what they
are, I get it... But maybe the change needs to start within the countries these
illegals are coming from, that is what I would be fighting for. You
shouldn't have to run from a place that you love, change needs to happen
and maybe that is where the US needs to start helping.
@Utes-PAC12I live here in Texas and was among the 10,000+ members of
the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that volunteered over
multiple weekends during Hurricane Harvey in Houston in 2017. Amazing
experience working together with all races, religions, etc...to help with
disaster cleanup. Different churches and organizations have different methods
of "charity". Some focus on daily needs (soup kitchens), some focus on
emergency needs (volunteers/emergency food and essentials), others focus on
teaching long term skills so they can become self-sufficient, etc...the list
goes on. I think all approaches are needed and I am personally grateful for
all who give of their time to comfort others. I enjoyed the article
an appreciate the efforts many are making to assist those who are legally trying
to enter the United States. This is a lost story by much of the media and calls
out the serious gaps our government has in trying to manage immigration.
Gratefully, local churches and volunteers have steeped up to help.
"Then ICE agents and a mishmash of congregations and religious volunteers
work together, setting aside politics and doctrinal differences to help some of
the most vulnerable people on American soil. There is no talk of funding a wall
or Republicans or Democrats or even right and wrong. For a few minutes on a
February day, they sew up a tear in the system for families whose requests for
asylum have resulted in fragile permission for a tenuous stay in the United
States."So amazing to see people coming together to help these
wonderful friends in need. ♥️
@herbert gravy@dan MaloyYou’re both right, politics and
lack of human compassion have trumped doing as Jesus would do. Rhetoric and fear
have become truth rather than what the words Savior taught.
Dan Maloy - Enid, OK "The reason tens of thousands of 'refugees'
are swamping our southern border is because they've learned that America
has been handing out money and 'free stuff' like candy."Actually Dan, the refugees are coming here to work. They don't want free
handouts, they want to earn a living. They are willing to do the jobs that your
children and grandchildren are "too good" to do. How many high school
graduates are off to Las Vegas to work in the hotels changing linens? When is
the last time you heard a friend brag about their kid heading to California to
pick produce in the fields? America won't survive if the
"couldn't care less" attitude of the millenials is true. America
sustains because of the hard work of immigrants and asylum seekers.
@UtesOh, my. You would like to see the LDS do "actual
charity"?Do you have any idea just how much "actual
charity" that the LDS Church and it's members render on a daily and an
annual basis?Not only in this country but throughout the world?A modicum of serious research would yield a wealth of information.Thank you.🤗
There is a huge amount of organized relief provided by members of The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints in Arizona, and they are involved in many
aspects of helping these people who have fallen into the gap. Huge amounts of
clothing and supplies have been provided. The classes referred to include some
basic English and instruction on how basic things work here in the US. So many
things that we take for granted here are new to some of them. God bless the
Latter-day Saints in Arizona and those from all faiths and no faith who are
showing love and compassion in real tangible ways.
If I was one of them, I would probably try to come to the land if the free and
the home of the brave, and beg for asylum. The people in this
article are not criminals — it is legal to come and apply for asylum.
This article really made me stop and realize just how grateful I am for
President Trump and our brave ICE agents. God bless them as they continue to
strive to make America great again!
@ All American - Herriman, UT - Feb. 17, 2019 9:50 a.m. - "Yes, America is a
great place, but so are some of the countries south of us. Not the same, but
still worth living in, including Mexico, all of Central and South America.
That's a huge land mass with many cities big and small. Why can't
these people immigrate to anywhere in these countries? The language would be
more familiar. There may be jobs for them. I don't know - just speculating.
I don't understand why they would risk trekking 1000 miles and the danger
that exists in doing so, just to come here and possibly be sent back."I'll answer your question: The reason tens of thousands of
'refugees' are swamping our southern border is because they've
learned that America, for decades, has been handing out money and 'free
stuff' like candy.
@hobblecreekExactly how would that be done? I am afraid
"politics" is here to stay.🤔
@hobblecreek - CA, 00 - Feb. 16, 2019 10:21 p.m. - "Take away the politics
from both sides. This is what Jesus would do."In the short term,
I agree with you.But here's a question that is just as valid as
your statement: In the long run, would Jesus support lawlessness? Would he
support the NON-enforcement of laws that create chaos among individuals and
families alike?I seem to remember a story of Christ teaching that it
was "moral" and "required" of all people to "render unto
Caesar that which is Caesar's". Do I really need to explain what he
If you've never needed the kindness of a stranger, thank God, and maybe
think again...While we must remember the complexities of the
situation and avoid manipulation we must also remember that these immigrants are
humans and kids being fed, not stray cats. America is great because
we have people able and willing to share a meal in a temporary situation with
people who really need it. Especially with innocent kids who really need it.
May God continue to bless America as we share in the blessings, showing the
kindness of strangers who might as well be Angels!
No one thinks every illegal coming into the country is a horrible person. Even
if 99% are great people, it’s the 1% that we need to worry about. Because
of 1 idiot, we all have to take off our shoes at security at the airport. But
everyone knows the borders are being used by drug and human traffickers. This
isn’t 1 person. It’s a huge problem. 68% of Democrats want the wall.
Their leaders are playing politics with our safety.
Build a wall,
I'd like to see the LDS do actual charity. Where are the food kitchens,
housing for the homeless, free medical care and on and on? All any person has to
do is turn on the tv and see the "true" charities in
action.......Salvation Army, American Red Cross and Catholic Charities and in
the US south, most Baptist churches.In this article, the LDS is
teaching classes(indoctrination techniques) and a handful of LDS women cooked a
few meals is all at the southern border. Is that making a difference, really?Tax laws need to change for corporations that are not really charitable
in any way.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints and a republican
I fully support what these churches are doing. I want to contribute to them and
this very Christ-like mission. Politics and borders are man-made and they should
not stop us from helping others, regardless of their legal status. That is what
makes America great!
Great to read a report of what is really happening. I don't know what the
long-term solution is for this situation but it is good to know there are some
very good people helping what seem to be some other good people in dire
Yes, America is a great place, but so are some of the countries south of us. Not
the same, but still worth living in, including Mexico, all of Central and South
America. That's a huge land mass with many cities big and small. Why
can't these people immigrate to anywhere in these countries? The language
would be more familiar. There may be jobs for them. I don't know - just
speculating. I don't understand why they would risk trekking 1000 miles and
the danger that exists in doing so, just to come here and possibly be sent back.
Maybe they could travel just 100 miles and find a new home similar to where they
I am struck by the callousness and lack of oversight of ICE. Dumping women and
children with no food, water, shelter after giving them a stamp of approval to
stay? That they are “working” (showing up early or not at all) with
inter faith groups is great, but we should not be accepting asylum seekers
unless there is a solid plan in place. The government should accept some
responsibility when granting entry. This should have been a loud talking point
of everyone’s border wall talks!
God Bless the people of these churches that volunteer humanitarian Aid to the
less fortunate. And God bless the people who give to those humanitarian
initiatives . I've always been taught that this is what Jesus did and would
do. It's too bad more people in this nation can't find the kindness in
their hearts to help others in their time of need.
Laws need to be followed. If not, you end up with anarchy and chaos, which is
exactly what we have on our southern border now.While helping these
people is the compassionate thing to do, we are 22 Trillion dollars in debt. As
such, how much more of this type of compassion can we afford? Who among these
millions of illegal immigrants is going to help us pay off that debt? In
reality, they will add to it by demanding various kinds of government services.
All this while we have our own homeless people, American citizens, who need help
just as much. Further, as citizens, are more entitled to it. What
about those Americans, taxpayers who play by the rules but are hopelessly in
debt, because our crazy medical system leaves them without affordable insurance?
Or veterans and others, living on the street because of mental illness. Are they
less deserving than illegal immigrants looking for better life?These
are difficult questions, but they need to be asked. Avoiding such questions
because the answers are elusive isn't compassionate, it's just plain
Hopefully, those who are here illegaly will be escorted and transported back to
the border then to their country of origin.
These churches are doing a blessed service. God speed to them! Jacob 2:
13-21Matthew 25: 35-40Following Jesus over political correctness has
always been hard, but has always been the right thing to do.I wish I knew
how to help from here in Utah!
hobblecreek - CA, 00Obey the law is WWJD. Just like your article of
This is a long article, but misses a couple of important points. First of all,
what has been the outcome of asylum request cases in the last five years? To
answer that question, know that most have been released into the USA with
temporary papers.From there, an overwhelming number don't show
up for supplementary hearings on their cases. Many that do show up are denied
asylum.One would conclude that the name of the game is getting in
the country. Then people will leave you alone via de facto amnesty. Even if your
work permit expires, you can stay without a problem. mission accomplished.DN Subscriber makes the point that these efforts encourage people to
break the law. He's right.Why would we perpetuate this
problem?The other point I wished to bring up is using charities as
contractors. In Texas some charities run family centers for detention and are
reimbursed by the government, like some homeless shelter programs. To me, that
seems to move the project out of the "charity" realm. "What would
Jesus do?," no longer applies.
@DNSubscriber- These migrant asylum seekers did come here legally. Our laws
allow people to come seeking asylum. That doesn't mean that they will
receive it, but it is perfectly legal for them to try.
These volunteers are truly making America great. Will there be a
follow up article on how we can help?
"The only solution is to secure our borders and enforce our immigration
laws. Those who come legally are welcome, but illegal trespassers are
not."Religion, properly used, makes this approach entirely possible.
People need not be seen as humans if they dont' fit your type.
Most who come here for asylum are actually coveting the American way of life,
and will lie to get it. Close to 80% will be sent home. We need to
fix the laws, so that those needing asylum don't have to wait in lines for
months, behind those who have no real claim.
It's a humanitarian crisis that should never have happened. It was started
by the Clinton administration, carried over into the Bush administration, and
extended by Obama. We need to stop the preferential treatment, and force them to
apply through normal immigration procedures. Back in 1997 we gave a million
Central American amnesty, things were bad then. But they are only bad now in
certain areas. The 2008 trafficking act expired in 2013, Obama
renewed it, and has used it the rest of his Presidency to stop from deporting
children. They were not all trafficked here, many were smuggled by paid coyotes.
People in other countries know our soft underbellies, and will use their
children for them to receive amnesty. There is enough back doors to
immigration to destroy this country if we don't start taking care of
The U.S. economy cannot sustain the social impact costs of housing, educating,
feeding, doctoring/nursing, and fighting the crime that these so called
"asylum seekers" are creating for the United States no matter how
humanitarian and well meaning Americans are being.
The people helping the migrants are wonderful, kind, caring people.However, the greatest kindness is not in feeding, sheltering and clothing
them, but in encouraging them to remain in their home countries and apply to
come here legally.The unintended consequences of supporting illegal
migrants is pretty much the same as when a kindly old lady takes in the hungry
stray cat that showed up at her door. And then another, and every day a few
more show up until she has a houseful of stray cats and is unable to care for
them or herself on her limited income.The story tells the take of
the many people with tales of sorrow. But it fails to mention that among the
millions of illegal immigrants have been a large number of career criminals,
gang members, drug dealers, drug smugglers and human traffickers. Many blend in
with the non-criminals at first.The only solution is to secure our
borders and enforce our immigration laws. Those who come legally are welcome,
but illegal trespassers are not.Do not encouage lawbreakers.
We know what Abel's answer was. What will ours be?
Take away the politics from both sides. This is what Jesus would do.