Megan McArdle: Democrats are learning to copy Trump. Uh-oh.

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    That is ironic - since Trump won by copying democrats

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    To "Flipphone" not quite. They have been Socialists for about 100 years. The only difference is now they don't try to hide it as much.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 19, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    Democrats are now becoming Socialist.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 8:09 a.m.

    To "Frozen Fractals" you use lots of words to say very little.

    AOC is a party insider. It doesn't matter where she has worked. Her support came from the mainstream Democrat voter in her area. Yes she is part of the Justice Democrats, where were formed by Democrat Party insiders and supporters.

    The question asked by Axios was if they would support her if she was old enough to run. Not that she was running against Trump. I don't think you actually looked up what I referenced.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 10:58 p.m.

    @RedShirtUofU
    "Unlike the Tea party, which started on the outside, she grew from the ranks of the Democrats and seized on a moment to out Socialist the incumbent."

    The ranks of the Democrats? She worked on Bernie's campaign (certainly not mainstream Democratic) and she, Pressley, Tlaib, and Omar are part of the Justice Democrats contingent, which, like the Tea Party, is a group that was heavily motivated to take over Democratic seats from more establishment Democrats.

    "Axios/SurveyMonkey found that 74% of Democrats would vote for her if she ran for President. Typically you don't have that sort of support for a nuisance."

    Breaking news: Democrats would vote for virtually any Democrat against Trump. I'm not a fan of hers but I wouldn't hesitate for a second to vote for her against Trump (in the hypothetical where she were eligible by age of course) if she were the nominee. That's kinda how this goes, after all the Republican nuisance did pretty well during the general against Hillary Clinton (the other Republican nuisance got 2nd place in the primary).

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    To "Frozen Fractals" not really. The Democrat party loves her. You also missed my statement about how she represents the path that the Democrats are going down. Unlike the Tea party, which started on the outside, she grew from the ranks of the Democrats and seized on a moment to out Socialist the incumbent.

    Another bit of evidence showing how she is an insider is the number of politicians that support the New Green Deal that she had posted on her web site. That included several of the LEADING Democrat Presidential candidates.

    Here is some more evidence showing that she represents where the Democrats are going.

    Axios/SurveyMonkey found that 74% of Democrats would vote for her if she ran for President. Typically you don't have that sort of support for a nuisance.

    New York Magazine published "Poll: Majority Backs AOC’s 70 Percent Top Marginal Tax Rate" where they found that 70% of Democrats back her proposal to tax the rich at 70%. Again, that is not something you would expect for somebody that is an outsider and that is annoying to the leadership.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    @RedshirtUofU
    "The difference here is that AOC is in the path where the Democrats are moving. She is a party insider"

    Her primary toppled the third ranking Democrat and she's constantly picking fights with party leaders. She's not any sort of party insider. She's really a nuisance to the party leadership. Kinda like Ted Cruz, incidentally.

  • JLindow St. George, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    Thanks for taking the time to point out the mote in the Democrat party's eye while there's an orange ceiling beam jammed in the Republican party's eye.

    I trust the Democrat party's internal housekeeping over the Republican party's pragmatism-driven moral flexibility.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    To "I M LDS 2" it was too bad that the Tea Party wasn't able to hold onto the Republicans. Had they done that they could have stopped Trump from being elected, and we would have probably had Ted Cruz as President.

    The difference here is that AOC is in the path where the Democrats are moving. She is a party insider, not an outside group trying to influence the party. The Republicans continued their slow walk to the left despite the Tea Party pushing them to the right. AOC and people like her are the up and coming face of the Democrat party.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 10:41 a.m.

    Megan McArdle writes inside-the-beltway nonsense here. She, and most of the rest of the right-wing media, see AOC as the face of the Democratic Party, when in fact AOC is not. AOC has a voice, and the media is obsessed with her, but that does not mean AOC owns the party like Trump owns the Republican Party. McArdle has been duped or is just riding the bandwagon because she doesn't want to be left out of the narrative being fanned by the right wing propaganda machine. AOC actually has very little power and influence in Congress. She is merely a media obsession.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    "You have forgotten the lessons of George McGovern."

    No, you have forgotten the lessons of Joseph McCarthy!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    "It makes it harder for Democrats to deny being socialists or being taken over by far left extremists."

    Well, that worked for Repugs when Tea Partiers hijacked my GOP! Why would any self respecting conservative radical deny the opposition the same option?

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 8:42 a.m.

    To "Hutterite" no, AOC doesn't spook conservatives. She is the greatest gift to conservatives. Her ignorance and crazy ways only show how far left the Democrats have gone. It makes it harder for Democrats to deny being socialists or being taken over by far left extremists.

    To "Impartial7" I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. If you look at the Democrat voting record since Trump was put in office, the Democrats have voted right now party lines. They have been increasingly been voting down party lines since 2000.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    "I find it amusing how terrified the GOP is of a 29-year old political novice!"

    Ha ha! I think it very amusing that Dems think the GOP is terrified! To the contrary we consider her quite amusing and entertaining. We wonder what outlandish thing will come out next.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 18, 2019 7:24 a.m.

    Ms Ocasio Cortez does not represent the mainstream Democrats. But, of course she gets all of the attention and is painted as the norm on the left.

    But, Gaslighting the "term means not just lying to someone's face but also persuading them that they don't see what you both plainly do."

    And you want to equate that with Democrats over Trump?

    Remember when Trump said his inauguration crowd was larger than Obamas? Classic example.

    Trump claims 3-5 million illegal votes. I would bet you would have trouble verifying 5000.
    Classic example

    Trump - "We’re the highest taxed nation in the developed world, and I think the undeveloped world too.”

    Anyone want to try to defend that? Be careful. There is a gaslight close by.

    Trump is the king of doozies. And the right wants to deflect. I would too. He's embarrassing.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 10:34 p.m.

    @EmmanualGoldstein
    "Speaking of global warming -- an existential threat -- what does this columnist propose instead of a Green New Deal? "

    Well, as a progressive, I'd suggest two primary changes.

    First thing to do is to actually focus on the environment. Get rid of the parts about universal healthcare, universal higher education, all the stuff about unions, the federal jobs guarantee, and that economic security thing which AOC's FAQ said would cover those unwilling to work (and the wording in the non-binding resolution would seem to imply it would... though one could imagine that a federal jobs guarantee would mean everyone that can be working is working). I like universal healthcare but that's its own thing.

    Secondly, be realistic. Almost every single environmental thing noted cannot be managed in 10 years. Experts say it'd take closer to 30 years. Pretending it can be done in 10 creates problems like the public seeing the bill as nonsense (never something you want when trying to get something important done) and it makes it cripplingly disruptive and costly to the economy if attempted to be forced into 10 years.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 9:27 p.m.

    @EmmanuelGoldstein1984 "...what does this columnist propose instead of a Green New Deal?"

    Rejecting nonsense is a good thing in and of itself.

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 9:05 p.m.

    I find it amusing how terrified the GOP is of a 29-year old political novice!
    I guess she has something they don't, such as (a) genuine charisma, (b) real love of country, (c) empathy for struggling Americans, (d) a desire to help mitigate the worst effects of global warming, etc. As such, she speaks for an entire generation of young people, who are ignored by the DC Establishment.

    Speaking of global warming -- an existential threat -- what does this columnist propose instead of a Green New Deal? She doesn't say. And that's typical of AOC's critics, who love to throw stones but have nothing constructive to offer.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 8:09 p.m.

    AOC is the ringleader of the political group that is the equivalent of the keystone cops

    Somebody better get Biden to run because the hordes of Dems running now are a joke

  • Eponymous Eggplant Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 6:56 p.m.

    "Ms. Ocasio Cortez sure has got 'em spooked for some reason."

    Spooked? The threat of authoritarianism can have that effect, what with the 100 million victims in the 20th century, compared to the billions lifted out of poverty by capitalism. To put it into leftist terms: AOC = CAGW. The catastrophic threat of global warming that you've become convinced of? That's how much of a threat conservatives think socialism is.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 5:18 p.m.

    Do I detect nostalgia for the 'good old' days when there was just spin, smoke and mirrors, gilding the lily, half-truths, clever lies, glib lies, golden voiced lies, and outright lies ?

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Feb. 17, 2019 5:02 p.m.

    "Democrats are learning to copy Trump."

    I'd say right wing media is learning to copy left wing media. What the latter did for Trump, the former is working overtime to do for AOC. Good grief!

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 4:01 p.m.

    @Hutterite

    Sandy Ocasio is a gift to Republicans. Listen to McArdle; she is trying to help you.

    I say this, knowing what your party will do instead. You have forgotten the lessons of George McGovern.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    " But before they chart that course, Democrats should ask their Republican counterparts €” privately, behind closed doors €” whether they wish they'd spoken up a little sooner, a little louder and in unison, to put down the insurgency before their party, and their dignity, came entirely unglued."

    You'll find the difference is that Dems won't put Party over Country. They won't sit idly by or follow in lock step while an unhinged leader steers us off a cliff. I think most Dems see AOC as a novelty and waay far left. But. like the way she can make GOP heads explode with her "ideas".

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Ms. Ocasio Cortez sure has got 'em spooked for some reason.