Trump tests presidential power, declares emergency at border

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    Instead of a National Emergency the Donald's deal should be a Presidential Attempt to Save Face Doctrine. Every President that is failing should get a chance to bail water before his administration sinks, even if unforced spur of the moment errors due to ignorance.

  • Graying Lion Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    Look, if Congress ever really wanted to get serious about illegal immigration, it would make E-verify the law of the land, demand that participants in programs like WIC demonstrate proof of citizenship, and deny funding to sanctuary cities. Some blocs like cheap labor, while others like to use it as a wedge issue in politics. Congress plainly has no interest in solving the matter, none at all.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 17, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    Obama beats Trump.

    Thirteen declared emergencies for Obama to just one for Trump.

    Drug cartels are favoring Democrats!

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Feb. 17, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    Speaking on “Fox News Sunday”, Rush Limbaugh offered a few telling statements about his and other Trumpers’ take on the president’s emergency declaration. In summary:

    Q: Why were you so opposed to Obama’s DACA Executive Order yet supportive of Trump’s emergency declaration?
    RL: I opposed what Obama was doing and agree with what Trump is doing. Therefore it’s OK for Trump to go around Congress to get done what needs to be done.
    [Situational ethics to the max!]

    Other Limbaugh tidbits:
    - Democrats are seeking a permanent, uneducated mass of immigrant voters
    - These immigrants don’t even speak “our” language
    - We need this country to remain as founded [read WASP]
    - The Mueller investigation is a cover-up for the real collusion between the Russians and the Democrats
    - Paul Manafort’s crimes were “process” crimes [yeah, like the “processes” of tax fraud and bank fraud!]
    - Climate change is a hoax

    There are two very scary things that this interview illustrates about Rush: 1) he plays the tune and Trump dances to it; and 2) he has 13 million followers that believe the malarkey he spews.

    These are sad times for our great nation.

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 6:31 p.m.

    I don't think it would make any difference to what future administrations do or don't do. As we learned about the "pen and a phone" during Obamanation, the liberals will use every mechanism to get their way, whether it's been done before or not. This "precedent" stuff is the least valid argument of all, regardless of what Utah's feckless "delegation" proclaims. If they and their colleagues were more than self-serving chameleons, this wall would have been built a long time ago.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 6:29 p.m.

    @stand up for opinions
    "Just because the illegal crossings are down does not mean we don't have a problem."

    No one EVER said we "don't have a problem".

    Yes, there is an illegal immigration problem, but there's not anything in that problem that Trump's ridiculous wall will fix.

    Border crossings are way down, and they're way down without his wall.

    Illegals in the US are down over a million from the peak, and haven't increased in more than a decade. And it's been that way without his wall.

    A wall won't fix the backlog of asylum hearing, nor the shortage of judges to hear them.

    A wall won't fix the visa overstays, nor Trump's increase to the number of those visas, nor his blatant hiring of those visa workers.

    A wall won't stop the 80% of drugs that currently cross through our existing ports of entry, where walls, guards, dogs, checkpoints, and technology exist.

    The issue isn't whether we need immigration enforcement. The issue is that Trump's wall won't do anything to help.

  • stand up for truth Lehi, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    Congress had their chance to fix this problem for the past 30 years.

    The previous Presidents have had the chance to fix the problem for the past 30 years though several of them declared that the southern border security was of utmost concern and posed a threat to the US.

    They have not done so.

    The truth is that it has been a national emergency for 30 years.

    The article states "illegal border crossings are down from a high of 1.6 million in 2000." Yes, and why? Because additional barriers were installed just prior to that time.

    Just because the illegal crossings are down does not mean we don't have a problem. This is about as logical as to tolerate sex trafficking and drug pushing just because it is "down" from in the past. Pathetic.

    Let Trump secure our borders. Build the wall.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    Spokane Ute -

    “My tax cut is working great. My salary has never been higher and my 401(k) has never been hirer. Unemployment has never been lower. As far as free everything for everyone just ask your spokes woman AOC. Thanks for asking, checkmate.”

    As a prior poster has already stated when the only verifiable claim you make is false it calls into question everything else you claim that cannot be verified. You may continue on with the blatant falsehoods, but anyone with critical thinking abilities is aware your claim regarding Trump’s tax break “working out great”, is absolutely absurd as the previous cited source material clearly indicated. Furthermore. Your ongoing lack of factual information “pretty much” says it all. Lastly. “Checkmate” is in regards to chess comrade. You’re playing checkers!

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    Feb. 16, 2019 12:42 p.m.

    Remember folks, he didn't come here to make friends. Loved your tv show, Donnie.

  • Robroy Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    There have been 58 national emergencies declared since the 70s and 30 are still in place. Most of those are dubious at best. Why is this one such a big deal to the lefties?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    @spokan Ute
    “Unemployment has never been lower. ”
    In 1948 the unemployed loyment rate was 1.2 in 1944 and there has been 19 years since they first started tracking with rates below current levels.

    When the one verifiable claim you make is false it calls into question everything else you claim that can’t be verified.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    A crisis does not an emergency make.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 9:11 a.m.

    He declared a national emergency 2 years after he said there was one whilst campaigning; then he jets off to his Florida resort for a golfing vacation?!

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    It only took Trump 227 days into his first and hopefully last term, to decide to declare an emergency.

    No rush; or was there? During his declaration he stated" I really didn't have to do this, but I wanted to speed up the process"!

    It has been stated that he intends to pull money from the DoD infrastructure fund. Great, lets fund your make believe emergency at the expense of Military dependents school rooms, veteran hospital bed and up to date military facilities.

    I am assuming that it will be the Mexican DoD that will be paying for Dear Leaders wall! Can't imagine he would jilt his faithful cult on this count after spending two years bellowing "MEEXXXICO", when asked who was going to pay!

    Oh and by the way, it was such an emergency, he left the Rose Garden after making his declaration, and boarded Air Force One, taking time out from his executive time, for another extended weekend of golf.

    Quite the emergency.

  • countryvoice3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 8:25 a.m.

    "Ignoring these facts do not make them go away."

    What's so disingenuous here from the Trumpies is this discussion should be about a declared "emergency".." an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action."

    The statistics you use describe a situation that has been around for decades, including years when Republicans had complete control of the government. They describe a situation that has consistently gotten better for the past 20 years.

    How does this possibly qualify as unforeseen, and in need of immediate action.

    The discussion here is not should we continue to shore up our border...Congress said yes by giving the President 1.3 billion for that. The discussion is does a decades old, improving situation qualify as an emergency...NO.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2019 7:39 a.m.

    At liberalonplanetzion

    My tax cut is working great. My salary has never been higher and my 401(k) has never been hirer. Unemployment has never been lower. As far as free everything for everyone just ask your spokes woman AOC. Thanks for asking, checkmate

    Your screen name pretty much says it all.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 16, 2019 6:25 a.m.

    Reading the various commenters who defend the President only cements into my mind the horror of their logic.

    I don't know how the defenders of Trump have come to their conclusions. I only know that these conclusions are a danger to the country, the Constitution and American culture.

  • Jonjacobjinglehimersmith Moab, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 5:34 a.m.

    Our country is in decline. The fact that we have a 22 trillion deficit, a ridiculous healthcare system, crumbling infrastructure, and a failing public education system is proof. Trying to manage a humongous worldwide empire has led us to the point we are at right now. Until we can get these problems under control, the rest don't matter much.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 5:24 a.m.

    Secure the boarder.

  • tesuji Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 12:39 a.m.

    "Trump tests presidential power" is a terrible headline for this article. As the article explains, this is a reckless threat to the Constitution. Trump doesn't respect democracy. He just does whatever will please his base, no matter what damage it will cause to America.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:49 p.m.

    Those folks thinking there is no emergency are unaware.

    After thirty years living a fourth mile from the border and knowing people on both sides,--it is easy to recognize those who don't know what they're talking about.

    This is not a manufactured crisis.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Feb. 15, 2019 6:38 p.m.

    I love the one about "California being taken over by illegal immigrants". California has the 5th largest economy in the world! 71% of the techies in Silicon Valley are immigrants (legal for the most part). California is great because it's diverse, the best and brightest flock here (from BYU, U of U, USU, UVU included). It's hard to admit but without immigrants, (illegal immigrants included), the US economy would be as anemic as Russia. Immigration policy and border security need to be addressed by intelligent people. This mythical, undefined "wall" is part of the jingoistic rhetoric of a con-man or tyrant. "we got trouble, right here in river city" has been done before.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 4:33 p.m.

    Ignoring these facts do not make them go away.

    according to customs/ border protection data there has been a 76 percent decline in the number of apprehensions between the peak in 2000 and 2018.

    according to Census Bureau data there has been a decline in the undocumented population, and specifically those from Mexico, of about 1 million since 2010. And the Pew Research Center found a peak of 12.2 million in the population in 2007, and a decline since.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 4:19 p.m.

    @ RedshirtUofU,

    Presidential authority under the National Emergencies Act is not unlimited. In order to transfer $ from the military to Homeland Security for his pet project Trump will need explain how the building of a wall is essential for national defense (33 USC Section 2293). Since immigration is a law enforcement not a military/national defense endeavor it is a stretch to believe he can make a convincing argument to the court in this regard. Nevertheless, this matter will be tied up in the courts before any of the additional parts of Trump’s wall can be constructed. By then Trump will either be out of office and the matter rendered moot, or court actions on Eminent Domain will then become the limiting element.

    The most interesting aspect of this will be the vote that will most certainly occur in both houses of Congress to overturn Trump’s emergency declaration. The vote only needs to be carried by a majority. Whether those Republicans who admonished Trump to not play the “emergency card” actually stand by their positions remains to be seen. Regardless this will be a VERY uncomfortable moment for them.

    Trump’s action is more about preserving his stature with his base.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 4:08 p.m.

    @ cityboy

    "The fact is ONLY about 6% of California’s population is undocumented (i.e. illegal)."

    ONLY 6%? That would amount to 'about' 2.4 million illegal aliens in California alone (California's population is 'about' 40 million).

    I would love to hear an explanation as to how that is NOT a problem.

    To be clear, that's almost two and a half million people who, in order to work, either have to use a stolen Social Security Number or work off the books (not on the tax rolls). And if they aren't working, they're living off of our tax dollars through entitlements and hand outs.

    Again, how is this NOT a problem?

  • bassoonlady OREM, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    As a lifelong republican, of all the comments I have read on this board, the most disturbing included this quote:
    Rubydo:
    "Trump should also declare a national emergency against the fake news media and the democrats for their seditious behavior for opposing a national security issue as important as border security."
    While I recognize this was the opinion of one extremely loyal and deluded Trump cult follower and the 6 that liked the comment, It is non the less terrifying. How long before Trump thinks of it himself? First the media is an enemy of the people, now it's an emergency and we can only allow those who agree with Trump to report, and we can also punish opposing political parties because they disagree? For the good of America. That's a terrifying idea.

    Even if the wall is in the best interest of America, it does not justify Trump's actions anymore then a child is justified in hitting because they lost their toy. This is Trump's lowest move yet, and that's saying something.

  • Unreconstructed Reb BE, 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:53 p.m.

    Redshirt,

    Obama's DACA EO was not unprecedented. It may or may not have held up to a court challenge, but that doesn't make it fundamentally different from other EOs, which historically have an uneven legal history. It was intended to temporarily protect Dreamers while Congress worked on a permanent solution.

    It's a completely different animal than invoking national security powers and using military funds to execute a policy that has been rejected by Congress.

    And yes, Congress yielded some authority to the Executive under the NEA, but not the right to usurp its power of the purse. In fact the proper strict constructionist position should be that it is unconstitutional for Congress to cede that power, so conservatives aren't even being ideologically consistent to argue otherwise.

    The NEA does *not* override appropriations power by allowing the executive branch to duck Congress's Article I responsibilities because POTUS didn't get his pet policy approved. No other invocation of the NEA has tried that. If you think this is a smart move, I can hardly wait for the reactions when a future POTUS strips the Pentagon of its appropriated budget to fight climate change.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:50 p.m.

    RedShirtUofU - Andoria, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    "Unfortunately it doesn't go against Article I appropriations powers of Congress . . . "

    This is the first non-partisan declaration of a national emergency in history. Donald Trump said that he did it for his base. He said he didn't have to do it, essentially that it wasn't an emergency at all. His base was acting up so he decided to declare a "national emergency" anyway.

    Now it will be in the hands of the courts. We'll see if Trump can steal money from where it was appropriated by Congress and use it for his vanity project. And we'll see if you are correct or others in this thread are. It becomes significant because the role of Congress in our democratic government is at the center of this attempt to usurp authority and give it to a single person. What is to keep Trump from re-directing any funding of projects to those things he wants?

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    RedShirts-

    “do you read what your fellow liberals post here all the time? Many want free healthcare. (Medicare/Medicaid/Universal Care), free college tuition, Free
    Housing, Free paycheck (Universal Basic Income).”

    Apparently you believe these fellow posters are the voice of all Democrats and the Democratic Party in general. Furthermore. Yourself and fellow deplorable, enablers may continue on attempting to distort the facts in order to deflect daily. However. You’re only fooling yourselves! Country before party comrade.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    To "Unreconstructed Reb" it was also an unprecedented manuver when Obama signed the EO for DACA.

    Like I said, this isn't something new that wasn't done before.

    Unfortunately it doesn't go against Article I appropriations powers of Congress because in the National Emergency Act some of that power was given up by Congress. This doesn't "usurp the authority of another branch of government" because that other branch already gave up that power.

    To "Liberal On Planet Zion" do you read what your fellow liberals post here all the time? Many want free healthcare (Medicare/Medicaid/Universal Care), free college tuition, Free
    Housing, Free paycheck (Universal Basic Income).

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    barfolo-

    healthcare -False!
    college tuition- Extremely false!
    Housing-Grossly false!
    Free paychecks (for not working)- Ignorantly false!

    "open borders"
    Absolutely correct! Don’t confuse seeking asylum, with illegal entry, as yourself and fellow enablers do regularly!

    "sanctuary cities?"
    Faith communities started the “Sanctuary Movement” in the 1980s. It was a symbolic extension of the medieval practice of churches providing shelter to all, regardless of their crimes! Furthermore. The spirit of America’s founding principles as a nation of immigrants, sanctuary cities act as a protective shield, standing in the way of federal efforts to deport people at random!

    “tax cut"
    Trump tax law lowered the official corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. The nation’s 6 biggest banks enjoyed estimated $14 billion in tax cuts this year, enough to give every teacher in America a $4,000 raise! The banking industry saw a record $62 billion in profit in the 3rd quarter of 2018, thanks in large part to the tax cuts! Furthermore. “Thanks to the Trump tax deal, taxes are way down for corporations and billionaires.” {Forbes, Business Insider, Newsweek, Money, CNN, NYT, WAPO, Inequality.com, AP}

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    Trump said, “"I could do the wall over a longer period of time," he said. "I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster."

    I left work today and people were driving slow. I didn’t need to run them off the road but I wanted to drive faster.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    Donald Trump today admitted that he “didn’t need to” declare a national emergency for his long-promised border wall, and merely wanted to “do it much faster” to please his political base.

    So now we know why Trump did what he did knowing that he didn't need to do it in the first place. It's all about the base. There was no national emergency. His base wants a wall and will not stay with him unless he delivers. It's not even in the interests of the American people. Just a small group of political supporters.

    What does this say about Trump's vanity project and the urgency that surrounds it? It's all a sham, a political con to please the wingnut fringe that have taken over our government and will do anything to get their way. No need for democratic procedures or congressional discussion on policy. They only need to shove through a national emergency declaration and, voila, they get whatever they want. Except . . .

    We still have a Constitution and people in Congress who will take objection to mob rule. Although Trump may want to have the same powers as Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un, two communistic dictators ruling with a totalitarians whip, we have laws that prevent such action.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    This is like FDR declaring war on Japan in January, 1944.

  • Unreconstructed Reb BE, 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:43 p.m.

    "Tell us why it was ok for that person to say that, then follow it up with actions that are similar to what Trump is doing and why Trump can't follow precedent."

    Stop being disingenuous, Redshirt. There is a vast difference between executive orders (which are somehow authoritarian power grabs under Dems, but totally legal and very cool under Repubs) and declaring a national emergency to bypass Congress and save face for a complete policy failure. This isn't a run-of-the-mill EO that carries out a policy, but an unprecedented maneuver that directly challenges the very explicit Article I appropriations powers of Congress. Declaring an emergency to usurp the authority of another branch of government is the type of breakdown in checks and balances one expects of a banana republic, not the world's oldest democratic republic.

    And by stating "I didn't need to do this" on live TV, Trump has cut his own throat for the argument that this is a true emergency. Every legal challenge to this move is going to begin with that quote.

    You guys are so eager to get your way that you've no regard for how this plays out and the longterm damage it does.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    @ worf,

    “California is currently being conquered and taken over by foreigners.”

    At the heart of Trump’s base is a similar sentiment. Foreigners = people that don’t look like me, speak like me, or have a culture like mine.

    The fact is only about 6% of California’s population is undocumented. Do Californians feel this is a problem? Apparently not. Over the last three years four different surveys have been performed on that topic and each time greater than 82% of the respondants have stated their preference that a way be provided for undocumented immigrants to legally remain in the US.

    Another recent survey conducted by Chapman University unveils the true feelings of Trumpers about illegal immigrants:
    45% - more likely to commit crime (false)
    80% - are a drain on the US economy (false)
    64% - immigration from Muslim countries should cease
    77% - a wall should be built along the Mexico/US border

    Trump’s bluster is purely political theatrics. There is no national emergency that will be solved by constructing a wall. Thankfully we have less than 2 more years of this reality TV show artist. But it will take decades to undue the harm he has done to our country both at home and abroad.

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:32 p.m.

    Watch as the lawsuits start pouring out. New York is ready, and I suspect California will file today. Maybe Texas too. This is the first non-bipartisan national emergency that isn't related to a real emergency ever. Just because Donald Trump calls it an "emergency", as the American people have noted, doesn't make it an emergency. This is more like Trump didn't get his KFC and ice cream for lunch so he declares a national emergency.

    Nancy Pelosi will now have a vote on the National Emergencies Act to nullify Trump's declaration. It will pass the House and go to the Senate where a vote will be required. Democrats need only 4 defections to nullify Trump's move. Several Republican senators are already on record that declaring a national emergency is a dumb idea and they are opposed to it. We'll see how they vote.

    Trump abrogating Congress is a clear violation of the Constitution, Article 1, provision that the House is responsible for spending money in the interests of the American people. Now it will be in the courts and we'll see how Trump's attempt to stack the court will give him what he wants. But this is all aside for what Congress will do under Pelosi's direction.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    robin138,
    "Pearl Harbor Surprise Attack an emergency? Yes. POTUS waiting until his 2 years, 27th day of office in which nothing is different now with the southern border situation than on the day on which he was inaugurated an emergency?"
    ____________________
    Excellent point! If this truly is the urgent national emergency Trump insists it is, the question that needs to be put to him is 'why did you wait this long to take action?'

  • jimjr Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    Thank goodness we have a President willing to uphold the constitution. It’s pretty pathetic when people say we can’t control our borders and protect our citizens.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:22 p.m.

    @ Liberal On Planet Zion

    "What specifically are liberals advocating for “free”?"

    Well, let's see:

    Free healthcare
    Free college tuition
    Free housing
    Free paychecks (for not working)

    Shall I go on?

    "Also. Liberals are not for open boarders [sic] regardless of what is heard on the AM frequency."

    I'm just trying to follow the liberal logic here. If you are not for "open borders", then you must not want people to enter illegally. Because not having "open borders" (translation: closed borders) means we will not have illegals here. So, why have "sanctuary cities?" If you don't want illegals coming here (i.e."closed borders") why would you want them to be shielded from the law while they're here? It makes no sense.

    Oh, and by the way, the "middle class tax cut" is working out just fine. I'm paying less in federal payroll taxes than I was before the tax cut. Less withholding of my paycheck and more money in my pocket from what I earn. And, not for nothing, the tax cuts affect liberals, too. You just won't admit it - it blows your whole argument. If you're paying more in taxes this year, it's because you live in a high-tax liberal bastion like California or New York.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:15 p.m.

    The "national emergency" that Trump announced and McConnell feebly condoned is nothing more than the GOP's pacifier to quiet the bawling ego of Trump, who was just exposed as the inexperienced and ineffective negotiator that his critics have long laughed about.

    It should work and keep him quiet for a while. And golf. Lots of golf.

    Little to nothing substantively -- good or bad -- will result, owing mostly to Trump management incompetence. Especially in next 8-12 weeks as the Trump WH is swamped by incoming subpoenas, indictments and second-string palace intrigue. They are not even close to prepared to handle those demands.

    Any future drama from Trump will be of the mile-wide-inch-deep variety. He simply won't have the bandwidth to cause any significant problems. The "wall" and his personal "emergency" may well signal the high-water mark for his Presidency and his policy "wins".

    Few complaints here.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    Pearl Harbor Surprise Attack an emergency? Yes.
    POTUS waiting until his 2 years, 27th day of office in which nothing is different now with the southern border situation than on the day on which he was inaugurated an emergency? Nope.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    The Donald just cut the thread holding together the Constitution. His speech was pathetic.

  • Lia , 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    trump won't make it through the summer. He'll be gone, having left us near ruin.
    But at least he'll be gone.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    To "Liberal On Planet Zion" come on now, tell us, who said ""I've got a pen and I've got a phone - and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward."

    Tell us why it was ok for that person to say that, then follow it up with actions that are similar to what Trump is doing and why Trump can't follow precedent.

    To "Tolstoy" read the quote again. Executive actions AND administrative actions. A call for a State of Emergency IS an executive action.

    I said nothing about Executive Orders, I just provided a quote.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:29 p.m.

    Ann Coulter says, "The goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years."

    I'm an Ann Coulter fan but only for today.

  • fani wj, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:18 p.m.

    @ J. Smith

    "When will the Trump horror show end? "

    No worry it will soon be over in 6 more years. Did not know that Trump trying to enforce the law and minimize illegal crossing of drugs and illegal aliens are so horrific. This left wing logic can only be understood if you have a free college degree from a ivy league

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:17 p.m.

    RedShirts-

    “Ok liberals, tell us, who was the President who said "I've got a pen and I've got a phone.”

    Attend and pass any basic university level political science class. Once this occurs, possibly you’ll realize how absolutely absurd and weak your attempted comparison is regarding the Supreme Leader’s latest attempt at deflection and trampling the Constitution, just to offer red meat to his low information, enabling sycophants. Furthermore. Continue residing within the echo-chamber of low information by fooling yourself the majority of America not only supports the wall, but the utter disaster that is all things Trump! Furthermore. “Actually”, liberals are not for open borders regardless of what you hear on Faux News! Beto O'Roark’s comments do not represent the feelings of all liberals, nor does a select few wearing shirts. Lastly. You may continue doubling down on ignorance, however, this doesn’t change the facts regarding your asinine claim that liberals desire “all things free”. Care to compare investment accounts, real estate holdings and liquidity with this liberal? Excellent decision Red. Country before party comrade! You’re welcome.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:19 p.m.

    @redshirt
    All right redshirt, who understands the difference between and executive order and declaring a national emergency?

    Just as a side note since you decided to bring by executive orders Obama wrote 76 executive orders his first 2 years, trump wrote 92 his first two years.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    President Trump, head of the executive branch assigned the role of executing the law, needs to require current immigration laws are enforced.

    One problem; Many areas in the US, such as SLC, claim to be sanctuary areas where these immigration laws do not apply. The Constitution, the supreme law of the land, authorizes the federal govt to deal with matters pertaining to immigration. Ergo, local policies in sanctuary cities that do not enforce immigration laws are unconstitutional.

    If someone is not a citizen of the US, they should not qualify for education benefits, healthcare, food stamps, welfare, and all the other free stuff govt. seem entitled to hand out, enticing people to come to the US. Businesses hiring non-citizens, or those without work visas, should be fined. Enforce current laws and fewer people will be trying to get into the US.

    The US is being invaded, and President Trump is correct in declaring it a national emergency.

    How many in congress, R's and D's, campaigned on the need for border security but now in office, do not have the courage to walk the talk.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:11 p.m.

    Fake emergency deigned by Hannity. Where was emergency six months ago when Republicans controlled congress? Radical move endangering Constitution.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    @Worf False, all of them. Glad I could help.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    @barfolomew
    "He's not the first President to invoke Executive Powers and declare a national emergency. "

    He's the first to do so as a response to not getting what he wants passed through Congress. Look at Obama's 11 national emergency declarations, 1 was in response to the H1N1 flu crisis, and the other 10 were sanctions on people and groups engaged in concerning actions. Trump's first three national emergency declarations were similar to those 10 by Obama. That's why nobody was upset with those. They are the normal usage of these. Not the last resort of a sore loser who didn't get what he wanted.

    He's ruining his own case anyway, with his statement that he "didn't need to do it". He thinks he'll win on appeal because there's 5 conservative justices on the supreme court. Most likely Roberts will preserve the dignity of the court and it'll be 5-4 against Trump.

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    Donald trump is a national emergency. Let's grab the constitution and get to court while we are still we the people not yes your majesty.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:00 p.m.

    Continued
    8. ... Central African Republican (sanctions)
    9. ... Venezuela (sanctions)
    10. ... Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (sanctions on foreign cyber-criminals)
    11... Burundi (sanctions)

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    @obama 10
    Trump is using a emergency declaration to by pass congressional authority to set a nation budget after losing the argument for more money for his wall. Here are the decelerations under Obama, let’s see if you can tell the difference.
    Obama's national emergencies included:
    1. Declaration of a National Emergency with Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic
    2. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (to help deal with the pirates)
    3. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related To Libya (sanctions on Gaddafi, his family and Libyan officials after protestors were killed)
    4. Blocking Property of Transational Criminal Organizations (sanctions against the Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Camorra)
    5. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (to help counter unrest in Yemen)
    6. ... Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (sanctions against Russia after the invasion of Crimea)
    7. ... South Sudan (sanctions)

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    @ Boisemad
    "allowing a president to do an end run around Congress."

    @ Sneaky Jimmy
    "this sets a terrible precedent"

    @ Roar
    "This is a dangerous precedent to set"

    @ Common sense conservative
    "This is a reckless precedent to set"

    And so goes the liberal/progressive echo chamber. Why is it that everything Trump does "sets precedent?" He's not the first President to invoke Executive Powers and declare a national emergency. In the past 43 years, presidents have declared at least 58 states of emergency (not including weather-related events).

    You're grasping at straws.

    Jimmy Carter (2 national emergencies declared, 1 remains active)
    Bill Clinton (17 national emergencies declared, 6 remain active)
    George W Bush (13 national emergencies declared, 11 remain active)
    Barack Obama (12 national emergencies declared, 10 remain active)
    Donald Trump (4 national emergencies declared, 3 currently active)

    So, tell me again how this sets a "terrible/dangerous/reckless" precedent?

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    UncleArtie - Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:29 a.m.
    Thank you Mr. Trump. You are doing a great job. God bless our president.

    Wait until you lose your Social Security Medicare, Medicaid, and your taxes go up to pay for his trillions and trillions of dollars in deficit spending. He has added 3 trillion to our national debt in the 2 yrs. he has been in. At that rate, he will add 3 more in the next two years and 12 trillion more if you elect him again. Don't you think at some point we are going to have an economic collapse with that kind of debt?

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    Ok liberals, tell us, who was the President who said "I've got a pen and I've got a phone - and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward."

    The chickens have come home to roost.

    To "Third try screen name" but that would also give Trump a boost for the next election because he can say that it was the Democrats stopping the wall and that he has done everything in his power to get it done.

    To "Fullypresent" did you care when Obama set the precedent for everything on your list? You see Trump isn't setting the precedent, he is following it.

    To "Liberal On Planet Zion" actually liberals are for an open border. Beto O'Roark was just saying that we should tear down the walls that are there. Other Liberal leaders have been photographed with anti-border shirts on.

    Liberals want the following things to be "free": Medical care, college education, retirement, food, and housing. They don't expect people to work for those things. Just look up Obama's "Life of Julia" where the government cares for people from cradle to grave.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    True or False:

    * Thousands of Americans have been killed by drugs, smuggling, gang members, and kidnappings?

    * Billions of dollars have been taken from citizen earnings to supply housing, schools, and medical care for people illegally coming across the border?

    * California is currently being conquered and taken over by foreigners?

    * Our political representatives are doing a pathetic job of protecting America and may possibly be bribed to open borders leading to drug trafficking?

    This isn't Trumps wall. It's Americas wall!

    Congress! Do your job! Build that wall and protect the country you were voted to do!

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    "Probably not the best way to go about this, but with the Democrats refusing to protect our Borders, I guess he felt it was his only option. Democrats threatening to use this strategy in the future to take away constitutional rights is pretty telling of their REAL goals and hatred for our constitution."

    One of the most telling comments yet. 1) It's the democrats fault regardless of the fact that the Republicans owned the House and Senate for two years, and did nothing. 2) Democrats (and many Republicans) are WARNING that this precedent may be used by future Presidents... not threatening. Big difference.

    How is doing what a Republican is doing showing "hatred for our constitution"? How is it that when a R does it... its ok. But the other side.... Hatred. This is what happens when you have a 24 hour talk show infused news stream that people buy off on any talking point that supports their own bias.

    This is bad equally for Republicans and Democrats. We are entering a yo-yo political cycle where both sides will spend most of their energies just undoing what the previous administration did. This is bad for everyone.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    I love the posters here claiming the "dangerous precendent" set by President Trump with this national emergency. Funny, we have had 35 Emergency Declarations over the years and I don't once ever remember hearing that this was dangerous. Congress gave the Emergency Powers to the Presidents to use, so if they don't like it, revoke it. Most of these "emergecencies" are still active today long after the "emergency" has past. Carter, Bush, Clinton, Obama all have "emergency" actions still active. Really sounds like an emergecncy to me. God Bless President Trump.

  • jjjdsd Centerville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    The other day I saw a post on face book. It was called the open border challenge.

    I make the same challenge here. If you are for open borders, remove your doors from your homes, turn in any weapons you may have to the local police, and tear down your gates and fences. Then post in the papers you have a no door policy for any one to exploit. There are plenty of homeless in Salt Lake City that will be happy to enjoy your warmth and food.

    Don't do it or argue it is a false narrative and it identifies you as a hypocrite on the border security. You want the security for yourself but not for others. A bigoted elitist democrat ideology.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    @sanfan

    Democrats disagreeing with how to address border security is not the same as being against border security so please stop with the false dichotomies.

  • Todd_i Midway, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    I am an independent that typically votes conservative.

    I agree that illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be solved, if a boarder wall is part of that solution (especially since they can't hire enough guards) then I am for it.

    However, I am totally against the President declaring a National Emergency to accomplish the wall goal. I am also against excessive Executive Orders when you can't get Congress to agree with your agenda as Obama did. I understand that 28 National Emergencies are currently active and that Obama declared 13 of them, but they were small declarations about freezing assets of governments or terrorists on foreign soil--not political agenda items.

    I do not want environmental issues, gun rights, abortion-population growth, or national health care declared a National Emergency when team Blue is in office. This declaration business is bad policy, I hope all five of our representatives vote against allowing the President this power and closes him down on this issue.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    We've witnessed Pandora's Box at its best.

    Now we have a precedent for a liberal President to make illegals legal, or institute a new gun control measure, or, or, or....

    For such a great negotiator President Trump seems to struggle with making any type of deal. Starting with the one that said Mexico would pay for the wall.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    Funny how though it gets pointed out over and over again that illegal crossing are down 75% from 2000. That the majority of people here illegally overstay their visas. The Trump fans totally ignore it. They dont try to refute it they just ignore it. This is not the evil MSM that comes up with these statistics, but ICE's reports.

  • JLindow St. George, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    After watching the whole rambling announcement, I'm convinced that Trump does not understand what he has signed. He's unlocked the proto-dictator toolbox because he needs the screwdriver.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    Oh this is ridiculous.

    This has nothing to do with a crisis on the border. We are all grown-ups (well most of us anyway) and know that the "emergency" the President just declared is nothing of the sort.

    The President did this for one reason and one reason alone. To appease his base of support.

    The President signed a budget in which he capitulated to the political realities that Congress would never support his 'great wall'. To save face, he has created an emergency. And surely the President knows that this action will be tied up for years in the Courts, and no wall will be built in this term of office.

    This is a song/dance routine that the President regularly employs to disguise his failures, assuage his ego and placate his fan club. It is not normal Presidential behavior, and the majority of the country knows that for a fact.

    Pity the US for having such a man in an office of what used to be great honor and distinction. He has brought shame to the office and shame to the country.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    Spokane Ute -

    “Thank You Mr. Trump for fighting for the sane hard working middle class citizens of this country.”

    How’s your middle class tax cut working out? Yourself and fellow low information sycophants were ranting and raving daily throughout the Obama presidency regarding the deficit. Possibly investigate factual information and legitimate news regarding your Supreme Leader and this topic as well. “Trump's Economy: The Federal Budget Deficit Is On A Path To $1 Trillion.” {Forbes 11/30/18} How about gun control? Yourself and fellow enablers cried wolf daily regarding President Obama “coming to take our guns!” Possibly read, “Trump administration officially bans bump stocks”, {AP/Faux News 12/18/18}

    “Sorry Liberals, but free everything for everyone and wide open boarders don't work. Ask Venuezula.”

    What specifically are liberals advocating for “free”? Also. Liberals are not for open boarders regardless of what is heard on the AM frequency. Sorry enablers. The empty rhetoric, false narratives and ongoing deflection isn’t working any longer, regardless of the ongoing nauseating attempts. Impeachment proceedings are inevitable. Country before party comrades! You’re welcome.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    When will the Trump horror show end? Every day something chaotic is announced by Trump or his minions. It's almost as if they are trying to deflect attention from something else...........

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    Trump also said that he knows he will lose in the 9th district court, then lose his appeal, then win in the Supreme Court (hopefully, he'll lose there as well). Trump's acting increasingly erratic. All designed to distract us from his Russia collusion. Hopefully, Mueller will have Trump in court or jail soon and we can return to some sense of normality.

  • Puukko Orem , 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    Finally we have a president that wants to be president rather than 8 years of obama trying to look like a president.
    Go President Trump.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    Probably not the best way to go about this, but with the Democrats refusing to protect our Borders, I guess he felt it was his only option. Democrats threatening to use this strategy in the future to take away constitutional rights is pretty telling of their REAL goals and hatred for our constitution.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    Reality TV at its best. Cannot wait to see impeachment proceedings begin!

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    Right on!
    Drug overdosed deaths in 2017 was 70,237 - over 90% of illegal drugs crossed the southern border.

    "The Department of Homeland Security said that, in total, 521,090 individuals were either apprehended or deemed ”inadmissible” after arriving at a port of entry on the border during the 2018 fiscal year. In 2017, 415,517 people were caught crossing illegally or turned away, as were 553,378 in 2016."
    The liberals commented here failed to report real numbers - Who in his/her right mind going to take care of these many illegals?

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:41 a.m.

    Obama declared 13 national emergencies when president and the Dems now want to cry about Trump wanting to secure our borders when we have criminals exploiting it. The democrats are so unhinged that they are now floating the idea that they need to take down existing parts of the wall. Trump should also declare a national emergency against the fake news media and the democrats for their seditious behavior for opposing a national security issue as important as border security.

  • Unreconstructed Reb BE, 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    The president is the national emergency.

  • jjjdsd Centerville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    You have to wonder at the real goals of democrats. Pelosi threatens to invalidate the constitution regarding the 2nd amendment. Posters here declare that this will result in the democrats removing other protections of the constitution. Why when this is a power given to the President. The declaration protects the constitution, and protects those who are being damaged by the illegal movement of these non refugees. He does not in this declaration stop anyone for requesting asylum. Democrats can't differentiate between constitutional law and their own emotions.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    OK, RepubliCons. Tell us that one about unconstitutional Executive overreach again!

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    By now, his political base is down to - what - two or three people? But if you’ve got Sean Hannity supporting you, it means a lot.

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    Thank you Mr. Trump. You are doing a great job. God bless our president.

  • Z South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    All hail his Imperial Majesty King Donald Trump. It is nice that we can drop the facade of Democracy; it was so inconvenient. So much easier to just command the cowering masses to bend to your will.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    Next, Trump's going to declare a national emergency over Mueller's investigation. It's an emergency that Mueller needs to hurry up before Trump destroys what's left of our country.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    to paraphrase a previous poster, Sorry conservatives, but making false claims about your political opponents and false comparisons don't work. Ask the former republican house members that are now out of a job. now that we got that out of the way can we get back to an actual logical discussion about the facts on immigration?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    I watched the entire spectacle of his ranting bloviation from the Rose Garden this morning.

    I'm 78 years old and can honestly say that I've never seen anything more disgusting and sickening in my life.

    Everyone needs to watch it. The whole thing. Unedited.

    Even the talking heads on Fox were obviously bemused. Fox actually cut away before the tantrum was over.

    America is in very, very serious trouble.

    And it's not at the southern border.

    The danger is in the White House.

    trump HAS to go.

    It's the only hope we have to Make America Sane Again

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    Anne Coulter said it best: 'No, the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years'.

    So, not only do we have a POTUS who is a puppet of the worst elements of FoxNews (Hannity, Coulter, Dobbs) as well as Limbaugh, but a POTUS they don't even respect anymore.

    These snakeoil salespeople put Trump in office and now show no respect either to him or his loyal base.

    I feel sorry for the souls who are still trying to frame this wall sham as somehow 'saving' our country from the forces of evil.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    If you are a true constitutional conservative, please for a moment forget that there is an "R" in front of Trump's name, and stand on some principles and common sense.:

    1. 75% decline in illegal crossings since 2000 is not an "emergency".
    2. Majority of illegal aliens entered country LEGALLY then overstayed visas. A wall does absolutely nothing to address this.
    3. This is a reckless precedent to set, done by an immature man who is simply pouting because he didn't get his way.
    4. Still waiting for the part where Mexico pays for it. Or are we all just going to pretend he didn't say that like 1,000 times on the campaign trail?

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    For people that are saying good for Trump...
    Good for him for adding 3 trillion to our national debt in just 2 years and spending like he has a blank checkbook? (Remember 2008?)
    Good for him for setting a dangerous precedent for either party to do?
    Good for him for lying over and over about who would pay for the wall and how it would be paid for. First, Mexico would pay, them his tariffs would pay for it. The lies just keep on coming. Why are you not as worried about his daily lying for the past 3 yrs. (or all of his life) as you are the wall?
    Good for him for telling you he wants 5.8 billion for a wall when the actual cost is 23+ billion to do the "Trump" wall.
    Good for you for wanting a dictator or king? Why don't you go live in Russia, China, Venzuela, or some other countries and ask the people how they like living under a dictator? You may want one but most of America doesn't. It is a small fanatical right-wing group in our country that is ok with this.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    McConnell apparently bargained away any Republican resistance to Trump's vanity "emergency" in order to stabilize Trump long enough to sign the budget.

    Trump and his followers get to hoist a weird prize for their amazing "win". But as soon as this drama drops off the public radar, little if anything will get accomplished, good or evil. It Trump after all. Declaring a state of emergency cannot cure his incompetence.

    But before then, Pelosi gets to force the Republicans in the Senate to endorse this expensive ego-soothing for an clearly immaculated Trump.

    McConnell was faced with a choice: treat Trump like a member of the Republican party, or treat the Republican party as a member of Trump's staff.

    Unsurprisingly, McConnell chose the latter by rubber-stamping Trump's "emergency" pout.

    Pelosi/Democrats will focus on reminding centrist Republicans of McConnell's choice, with dividends that will pay for 8-12 years at least given the plummeting trajectory Trump is on.

  • Roar Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    So, when Mrs. Obama takes over the oval office, can she now declare an emergency on issues like climate change, gun law, and religious liberty?

    This is a dangerous precedent to set, Mr. Trump.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:50 a.m.

    As others have said, this sets a terrible precedent, diminishes a "rea" national crisis and seems to be a chapter taken from "1984". I believe most Republicans have the best interest of the country at heart and it's time for them to speak out against this travesty. Where is Mitt?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:49 a.m.

    Thank You Mr. Trump for fighting for the sane hard working middle class citizens of this country. You are the only chance we have to remain a Sovereign Nation.

    Sorry Liberals, but free everything for everyone and wide open boarders don't work. Ask Venuezula

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    It seems like every time Trump tries to turn a political loss into a political victory that a lot of innocent people get hurt. Taking emergency relief funds away fromthe victims of natural disasters to build a pointless wall is just the latest example.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    And the fantasy continues ....

    He's also pretty sure Obama would have gone to war with NK ....

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:40 a.m.

    It's difficult to imagine how we got to a place in our nation where the President of the United States seeks to usurp all power on the basis of an emergency that does not exist. The talk about filing a lawsuit to prevent this reprehensible action is weak tea indeed. The man must be impeached -- NOW -- because he's a clear and present danger to the republic.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:31 a.m.

    Trump signs it.
    The 9th Circuit blocks it.
    Half of America is upset about a porous border.
    Dem hopefuls make statements about allowing in "immigrants."
    The ballot is set for 2020.
    Trump wins a 2nd term amid the chaos.
    The Supreme Court rules that Trump can build the wall.

    Result: Another two years of helter-skelter border security and caravan theater.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    according to customs and border protection data there has been a 76 percent decline in the number of apprehensions between the peak in 2000 and 2018.

    according to Census Bureau data there has been a decline in the undocumented population, and specifically those from Mexico, of about 1 million since 2010. And the Pew Research Center found a peak of 12.2 million in the population in 2007, and a decline since.

    sorry but substantial declines over the past decade do not equate to a national emergency

  • Boisemad Boise, ID
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    Another attempt by Trump to manipulate the system. There will be long-term harm if this ploy works, allowing a president to do an end run around Congress.

  • nigene slc, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    Thank you Mr. President!

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    Boy... is he playing with fire. Think about the "national emergencies" that could be played by the next president. Next shooting at a school, immediate gun restrictions. Bad air days in Utah, immediate surcharge on gas. Police shoot? federalization of police force. Underperforming schools - federal control of local schools. Death rate on highways - mandated lower federal speed limit. Rising cost of medical treatment - federalization of medical care to control cost. The list goes on and on.

    Half of the money Trump is going after is going to be at the expense of the DoD - base construction and maintenance. Remember, the White House official request for this years was 1.8 billion. Then it was 5 billion. Today, that number has risen to 8 billion.

    What happened to executive orders being a bad way to govern? He is putting Republican congress people is a really bad spot... support authoritarianism, or real oversight of Presidential powers. They will have to side with Democrats to control the White House, or support governing by executive order. Rock - meet hard place.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    Is there a crisis on the Southern border? It’s not even close to that in my view. What is going on at the border is immigration conducted by U.S. immigration who are doing a good job.Does that mean it is without problems? No. But a crisis? One that justifies declaring a national emergency that warrants invoking Presidential powers?

    What this means is that the President is invoking emergency powers to use funding appropriated for other purposes and use those billions in appropriations for a wall that the Congress has declined to fund. This may not quite be a Constitutional crisis just yet but it is a Constitutional confrontation the Supreme Court will be asked to rule on.