Congress OKs border deal; Trump will become emergency.
The naivetÉ of the anti-wall commentators is inconceivable!
"Manufactured crisis"?Yup. Manufactured. No naivete involved in
that assessment. And we're not anti wall. We're anti foolish. This is
his campaign promise, not something necessary or potentially beneficial. And
that whole Mexico will pay thing? What became of that? Mexico is not paying.
They're not. We are. You can't hide that. Trump couldn't get
congress to ante up so he's trying to swipe it from the military. In any
case, it's NOT Mexico. And, there's nothing naÏve about it.
Had Congress given him the money he wanted for the trump wall, there would be no
emergency today. So, what's different today? Not the emergency. I'm
tired of being told to ignore reality.
The naivetÉ of the anti-wall commentators is inconceivable!
"Manufactured crisis"? Bush and Obama both sent troops to the border to
push immigration reform because of a "crisis" at the border. In 2014,
under Obama, the Washington Post, Huffington Post, and CNN reported about $3.7
billion emergency request from the White House for the "border crisis".
HuffPo showed pics of the "humanitarian crisis" at the border. CNN
described a problem of "epic proportions" related to the thousands of
children crossing the border. Even ABC news parroted the WaPo 's report of
Obama's request for $3.7 billion to cope with the "humanitarian crisis
at the border". The only reason the Democrats oppose this is there
unmitigated loathing of President Trump.For everyone's info:
The National Emergency Act was passed during the Carter administration and the
Democrats controlled both houses of Congress.There is no question
that several courts were handpicked by Dems to contest this declaration, but it
will be upheld by the Supreme Court. And in 2020 we will see the Dems lose the
House and more seats in the Senate when Trump wins his second term.
Wow...after reading these comments I am wondering how a republican could ever
get elected in Utah. Trump is not a politician. The speaker of the house is.
Trump faced the American public today and told us face to face what he thought
would be best for America. Unlike Obama e did not wait until congress was
recessed to act. I support our president and after the last election I put
little if an trust in polls regardless who is doing the polls.I like our
President...his positives far outweigh his negatives.
Upon the advice of Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter a national emergency suddenly
exists that apparently did not exist months ago or when the Republicans
controlled the legislative branch of government.
7. ... South Sudan (sanctions)8. ... Central African Republican
(sanctions)9. ... Venezuela (sanctions)10. ... Significant Malicious
Cyber-Enabled Activities (sanctions on foreign cyber-criminals)11...
Burundi (sanctions)A flu outbreak (that one was only in effect for a
year) and sanctions in response to unrest. That was all of Obamas. His
weren't "I didn't get what I wanted through Congress". Nobody
complained about Trump's first two emergencies (similar things with
sanctions related to Myanmar and one pre-emptively to respond with sanctions to
future election interference).Bush's included many similar ones
to Obama including sanctions related to the Dem. Republic of the Congo, Lebanon,
Belarus, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, Zimbabwe
@n8ive american" We had Obama declaring national emergencies to
benefit other nations instead of our own interests."Obama's
national emergencies included:1. Declaration of a National Emergency with
Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic2. Blocking Property of Certain
Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (to help deal with the
pirates)3. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related
To Libya (sanctions on Gaddafi, his family and Libyan officials after protestors
were killed)4. Blocking Property of Transational Criminal Organizations
(sanctions against the Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the
Camorra)5. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security,
or Stability of Yemen (to help counter unrest in Yemen)6. ... Contributing
to the Situation in Ukraine (sanctions against Russia after the invasion of
So I guess this means Mexico is not going to pay for the wall?
@long last'willful blindness'? according to
customs/ border protection data there has been a 76 percent decline in the
number of apprehensions between the peak in 2000 and 2018.according
to Census Bureau data there has been a decline in the undocumented population,
and specifically those from Mexico, of about 1 million since 2010. And the Pew
Research Center found a peak of 12.2 million in the population in 2007, and a
decline since.sorry but substantial declines over the past decade do
not equate to a national emergency no matter how blind someone may chooses to
This seems like overreach—the president intruding on Congress’s
Constitutional authority through the emergency declaration. Trump’s people argue that other presidents have done this for
similar but even less pressing issues. But that doesn’t make it
Constitutional. The Supreme Court needs to weigh in on this.
Let’s have our government operate as it should under the Constitution no
matter who is president and no matter what the issue is.
Trump now assumes dictatorial powers. Take note.
@ n8ive americanThe 2nd amendment may be safe, but if this goes
through, a national emergency on climate change WILL happen.
Re:Thid"Great victory for America and that will make the
Democrats howl!"Hey, give us leftie our due! We listened to
you howl for 8 years.I wouldn't be quite so quick to declare
victory: Nancy isn't through making Trump look like an intern negotiator!
With this action, the Republican Party is officially dead, and my decision to
leave it is justified. Historically the GOP stood for strong family values,
fiscal responsibility, and limited government, values which have been abandoned
under the current administration. I cannot wait to see how Senator Lee slithers
out of this situation as Trump defies constitutional demands for equality and a
balance of power among the three branches of government. If the President can
simply go around the will of Congress and do what he wants, why is Congress even
necessary? Why even pretend that the government is of the people, for the
people, and by the people? Sixty-six percent of Americans do not support a
national emergency declaration to build a wall. Trump's next executive
order will be to demand that he be addressed as Dear Leader.
I'm really starting to hate Trump.No, wait. I started hating
him years ago.
@Mickplease do site foe us one time President Obama used a national
emergency declaration to get around a budget dispute with congress.
FullypresentWe have had dozens of "comprehensive immigration
reforms. Seven have ended up in Amnesties. I think it's a national
emergency, if that's what it's going to take to get our leaders to
enforce our immigration laws.
Trump is very dysfunctional and has been creating one crisis after another since
he started his campaign. He thrives on crisis, drama, and dysfunction. The worst
things you could have in a president particularly in the kind of world we live
in today. Will all the people in Washington destroying our country and democracy
you wonder if she can survive.
One only has to look at the usless national emergencies of previous presidents
as to why Trump can do this. We had Obama declaring national emergencies to
benefit other nations instead of our own interests. Now, we have a president
that puts America first.For this who say wait until the next Democrat
president to issue a national emergency on gun control, I say wait for them to
be impeached for not sustaining the Constitution as they are sworn to do. You
cannot remove a Constitutional right. It would be struck down by the Supreme
One again the 535 dysfunctional politicians (which is a pejorative term) in
Congress have failed to do their basic job.Instead of celebrating
having come up with a bloated package of pork which continues spending for 7
departments of government at levels from years past, they should all resign in
shame for not having completed actual debate and real funding bills by last
September 30th. Passing this bill, less than 6 hours before the last stopgap
measure expires leaves them without time to read it to see what they are voting
on. At this point what difference does it make if they fund all or
none of a wall, or if Trump declares an emergency? They cannot balance a
checkbook, end any wasteful spending, reach a majority on any issue of
importance, or even secure our border to keep it safe. A pox on the whole 535
of them.Declaring an emergency may help fund a wall, but at the
expense of military spending which is already underfunded. Worse it sets a
precedent sure to be abused by future presidents of either party.A
pox on the whole 535 of them. Trump with is personal shortcomings is less
disgusting than the others, at least trying to keep promises.
trump is not an intelligent man.
"In a surprising development, McConnell said he would support Trump's
emergency declaration, a turnabout for the Kentucky Republican, who like many
lawmakers had until now opposed such action."Is McConnel out of
his mind? If he caves and Trump goes down the road of this dangerous precedent,
what stops Dems or other Republicans from calling multiple things a national
emergency that aren't? It is a very dangerous road for either party to go
down. 9/11 was a national emergency. The attack on Pearl Harbor was
an emergency. If Russia or China attacked us it would be a national emergency.
If we had massive earthquakes that dropped California and a few other places in
the ocean or completely destroyed those states it would be a national emergency.
The border challenges have been going on for years. There is a
crisis but not a national emergency. We have needed comprehensive immigration
reform for at least 30 years, not just for the last 2. Congress did not take
care of this for the past 30 yrs. They have the opportunity to do this now
without another shutdown or Trump declaring a national emergency. The all just
need to step up and do the job they are being paid to do.
How long must we allow this man to tell us we're stupid? There's no
emergency. He wants his multi billion dollar photo prop, and that's it. And
he's happily holding us all hostage for it. I've pretty much had
enough. He's our emergency. He told us Mexico would pay for it. He told us
Mexico is paying for it. Then why is he holding our government hostage over it?
They don't authorise expenditures on behalf of Mexico, do they?Did he
listen to the testimony of El Chapo? Tunnels, aircraft, speedboats and trains.
The wall isn't going to fix that problem, is it? With his woeful
ignorance and rampant narcissism, it's obvious. Trump is our national
President Trump will spend all the money in court costs defending his
"emergency".It's pretty much his usual playbook to take
matters to court, regardless of the merits. Why his vibrant supporters love a
man with such a sue happy record is another question. Does anyone
think we'll see 10' of his new wall before he's voted out of
office? His actions are not about the wall, they are about his image. His
image is far more important than anything else.
"...the U.S. needs border security but a wall doesn't make sense,
especially when the Rio Grande acts as a natural border and where private
property makes building a wall more complicated...." - Mayor Jim Darling,
McAllen, TX."Because we’re on the border, the perception
is that there’s murders every day and there’s shootings every day.
Yet here in our county, we don’t have that going on. It’s very, very
safe...spending billions to build more border wall...would be a waste" -
Hidalgo County, TX, Sheriff J.E. “Eddie” Guerra"We
have a river, and we don’t want to cut ourselves off from that river. I
know there’s a better way...politicians like Lieutenant Governor Dan
Patrick [should] “shut up” about the border. - Brewster County, TX,
Sheriff Ronny Dodson
I would like this to go to the Supreme Court and see what the five conservative
justices have to say. A national emergency for a wall is not an emergency but a
campaign promise. Trump can’t claim Mexico will pay for it
during his campaign and then wait two years to declare an emergency.
A $330 billion spending bill filled with pork and they could not find a few
bucks for the borderGood move TrumpBuild the wall
Thank you Mr. President! Finish the wall and a grateful America will re-elect
you in 2020!
Just sign the paperwork and give US a day of peace.Trump lost and
All of these “I can’t wait” comments show that you really
don’t care about the constitution or what is right. All you care about is
“your guy” is not in making these changes.Not one
liberal,on this comment board and otherwise, cared about the federal power grab
by Obama who chose to not follow laws and made big time executive orders.Kind of like calling out Trump lies, but not carrying about Clinton or
Obama lies. Once again, hypocrisy.
Republicans should be wary about supporting this, as David mentioned above.Alternatively, Democrats have nothing to whine about as Obama routinely
took all kinds of powers and prerogatives to himself. In his mind, Congress
moved too slow, so he was simply going to fix all of the problems (as he and his
base saw them) by executive fiat. Democrats should not expect to
abuse executive authority and then expect Republicans not to abuse it.
I'm unaware of anything in the constitution that only allows executive
authority to be abused by Democrats.
65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, IDFeb. 14, 2019 4:13 p.m.To my good
friend Spokane Ute:I will admit that the "immoral wall"
comment was pretty absurd. I actually am for border security, but not if it is
devised at a Trump rally in West Virginia somewhere.------------That's why they have built prototypes and talked to the agents at the
border to come up with an effective Barrier. Anyway, you take care my friend and
have a great evening. Oh, and keep that snow blower at the ready; mine is!
To my good friend Spokane Ute:I will admit that the "immoral
wall" comment was pretty absurd. I actually am for border security, but not
if it is devised at a Trump rally in West Virginia somewhere.
65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, IDFeb. 14, 2019 2:19 p.m.And Pelosi
(Nancy) dunks on Trump again. I wonder when he will get tired of being
posterized by her. Can't wait for that Climate Change national emergency
that is on the horizon.----------Actually Nance isn't even on
the Court. When she said walls are immoral she was thrown out of the league.
Build the Wall, Mr. President!
The folks cheering Trump on for declaring a state of emergency when there is
none should consider if they'd like that amount of power in the hands of a
President Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Hillary Clinton.
Shouldn't he have to prove it's an emergency in the "real
world." What has changed in the last year that made a campaign
lie, suddenly an emergency to our country?So Donald promises Mexico
would pay for the wall, when Mexico tell him to take a flying leap, (actually
much more harsh) Then Donald hold's Federal Employees hostage to his
demands, loses again, so now he's making it an "emergency" where
none exists.This isn't leadership, not even close.
Good for Trump! Anyone who doesn't see the crisis on the southern border
is choosing not to see it. In other words, the Democrats have a severe case of
'willful blindness'. Rational immigration reform is needed now!
@Thid Barker “Great victory for America and that will make the
Democrats howl!”And keep the courts busy for years. Great
Pelosi et al no doubt have the lawsuit prepared to immediately challenge
Trump's declaration of a national emergency, so this drama will be
short-lived.But hey, if for an hour or so it allows Trump's
dwindling pack of followers to froth a bit and congratulate themselves for
backing such a brilliant deal-maker? Meh...seems pretty harmless. Have at it
boys and nice job on the 'win'!
Great victory for America and that will make the Democrats howl!
Trump is trying to get out of a problem he created for himself, but jumping into
something even bigger.
I can't wait for the next president to declare and emergency to fund
Medicare.That would be better than the wall - Medicare funding is
something we actually need.
Waiting to hear the twisted rationalizations from all the small government
conservatives about how the president can bypass the appropriations authorities
of Congress because he failed to win over them and a majority of the American
people for whole 2 years, and re-appropriate funds to enable the military to
carry out eminent domain seizures along the border to impose a solution that
locals don't want, justifying it at a time when illegal border crossings
peaked 15 years ago and are at a 40 year low, and all because he made a silly,
ill-considered promise that sounded good at campaign rallies.This is
This is what losers do. They sulk, then change the rules of the game and
declare victory. Let's hope not only the Democrats but Republicans as
well sue the President on his faux national emergency declaration and the courts
hear the arguments after they get thru the dozens of other pending lawsuits he
is waging right now.
And Pelosi (Nancy) dunks on Trump again. I wonder when he will get tired of
being posterized by her. Can't wait for that Climate Change national
emergency that is on the horizon.
But hey, if Trump gets away with this then that would mean Democrats would be
able to respond in kind when they take over the White House. How does a national
emergency declaration on gun violence sound? Authoritarian? Yeah probably; maybe
that means you should be opposing that kind of action now.
I believe Trump plans to take funding from Defense to build the wall.I do not support Trump declaring a national emergency. No president should go
around Congress. I disliked Obama for doing it with his executive orders. I
dislike Trump's executive orders. I will really dislike a Trump emergency
declaration.Remember when Reid changed the Senate to allow a simple
majority confirmation of judges? Republicans are really using that to their
advantage now with confirmations. Imagine what Democrats will do once they hold
the presidency. Emergency declaration for eliminating tax exemption of
religions, religious schools, free college, guaranteed salaries, universal
healthcare, freedom of speech, 2nd amendment.You want your gun
rights taken away? Support Trump's "emergency declaration" for
building a wall. Watch as our rights are destroyed during a Democratic
administration if Trump establishes this standard.The Courts must
strike this down. And they will. Trump's emergency declaration is really
meant to placate his base. Nothing more.
Build the wall, Mr. President!
It's not really a deal anymore when you decide to then declare you get
extra things outside of it.
This is disgusting. But expected. Trump's "emergency" will end up
in court and will lose. From whom does he want to take money from for his wall?
From Californians that lost their homes and loved ones in fires and floods. From
Puerto Rican's that are still devastated from a hurricane. Trump is tearing
America apart and Putin and his allies are loving it.