Congress OKs border deal; Trump will sign, declare emergency

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 5:36 p.m.

    Congress OKs border deal; Trump will become emergency.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    The naivetÉ of the anti-wall commentators is inconceivable! "Manufactured crisis"?
    Yup. Manufactured. No naivete involved in that assessment. And we're not anti wall. We're anti foolish. This is his campaign promise, not something necessary or potentially beneficial. And that whole Mexico will pay thing? What became of that? Mexico is not paying. They're not. We are. You can't hide that. Trump couldn't get congress to ante up so he's trying to swipe it from the military. In any case, it's NOT Mexico.
    And, there's nothing naÏve about it. Had Congress given him the money he wanted for the trump wall, there would be no emergency today. So, what's different today? Not the emergency. I'm tired of being told to ignore reality.

  • RickBob Paducah, KY
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    The naivetÉ of the anti-wall commentators is inconceivable! "Manufactured crisis"? Bush and Obama both sent troops to the border to push immigration reform because of a "crisis" at the border. In 2014, under Obama, the Washington Post, Huffington Post, and CNN reported about $3.7 billion emergency request from the White House for the "border crisis". HuffPo showed pics of the "humanitarian crisis" at the border. CNN described a problem of "epic proportions" related to the thousands of children crossing the border. Even ABC news parroted the WaPo 's report of Obama's request for $3.7 billion to cope with the "humanitarian crisis at the border". The only reason the Democrats oppose this is there unmitigated loathing of President Trump.

    For everyone's info: The National Emergency Act was passed during the Carter administration and the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress.

    There is no question that several courts were handpicked by Dems to contest this declaration, but it will be upheld by the Supreme Court. And in 2020 we will see the Dems lose the House and more seats in the Senate when Trump wins his second term.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    Wow...after reading these comments I am wondering how a republican could ever get elected in Utah. Trump is not a politician. The speaker of the house is. Trump faced the American public today and told us face to face what he thought would be best for America. Unlike Obama e did not wait until congress was recessed to act. I support our president and after the last election I put little if an trust in polls regardless who is doing the polls.
    I like our President...his positives far outweigh his negatives.

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    Feb. 15, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Upon the advice of Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter a national emergency suddenly exists that apparently did not exist months ago or when the Republicans controlled the legislative branch of government.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    7. ... South Sudan (sanctions)
    8. ... Central African Republican (sanctions)
    9. ... Venezuela (sanctions)
    10. ... Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (sanctions on foreign cyber-criminals)
    11... Burundi (sanctions)

    A flu outbreak (that one was only in effect for a year) and sanctions in response to unrest. That was all of Obamas. His weren't "I didn't get what I wanted through Congress". Nobody complained about Trump's first two emergencies (similar things with sanctions related to Myanmar and one pre-emptively to respond with sanctions to future election interference).

    Bush's included many similar ones to Obama including sanctions related to the Dem. Republic of the Congo, Lebanon, Belarus, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, Zimbabwe

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    @n8ive american
    " We had Obama declaring national emergencies to benefit other nations instead of our own interests."

    Obama's national emergencies included:
    1. Declaration of a National Emergency with Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic
    2. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (to help deal with the pirates)
    3. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related To Libya (sanctions on Gaddafi, his family and Libyan officials after protestors were killed)
    4. Blocking Property of Transational Criminal Organizations (sanctions against the Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Camorra)
    5. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (to help counter unrest in Yemen)
    6. ... Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (sanctions against Russia after the invasion of Crimea)

  • well informed Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    So I guess this means Mexico is not going to pay for the wall?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:04 a.m.

    @long last

    'willful blindness'?

    according to customs/ border protection data there has been a 76 percent decline in the number of apprehensions between the peak in 2000 and 2018.

    according to Census Bureau data there has been a decline in the undocumented population, and specifically those from Mexico, of about 1 million since 2010. And the Pew Research Center found a peak of 12.2 million in the population in 2007, and a decline since.

    sorry but substantial declines over the past decade do not equate to a national emergency no matter how blind someone may chooses to be.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:04 a.m.

    This seems like overreach—the president intruding on Congress’s Constitutional authority through the emergency declaration.

    Trump’s people argue that other presidents have done this
    for similar but even less pressing issues. But that doesn’t make it Constitutional.

    The Supreme Court needs to weigh in on this. Let’s have our government operate as it should under the Constitution no matter who is president and no matter what the issue is.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    Trump now assumes dictatorial powers. Take note.

  • Out of the Blue Layton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 7:39 a.m.

    @ n8ive american

    The 2nd amendment may be safe, but if this goes through, a national emergency on climate change WILL happen.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 7:37 a.m.

    Re:Thid

    "Great victory for America and that will make the Democrats howl!"

    Hey, give us leftie our due! We listened to you howl for 8 years.

    I wouldn't be quite so quick to declare victory: Nancy isn't through making Trump look like an intern negotiator!

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 7:25 a.m.

    With this action, the Republican Party is officially dead, and my decision to leave it is justified. Historically the GOP stood for strong family values, fiscal responsibility, and limited government, values which have been abandoned under the current administration. I cannot wait to see how Senator Lee slithers out of this situation as Trump defies constitutional demands for equality and a balance of power among the three branches of government. If the President can simply go around the will of Congress and do what he wants, why is Congress even necessary? Why even pretend that the government is of the people, for the people, and by the people? Sixty-six percent of Americans do not support a national emergency declaration to build a wall. Trump's next executive order will be to demand that he be addressed as Dear Leader.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 7:12 a.m.

    I'm really starting to hate Trump.

    No, wait. I started hating him years ago.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 7:04 a.m.

    @Mick
    please do site foe us one time President Obama used a national emergency declaration to get around a budget dispute with congress.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 2:22 a.m.

    Fullypresent

    We have had dozens of "comprehensive immigration reforms. Seven have ended up in Amnesties. I think it's a national emergency, if that's what it's going to take to get our leaders to enforce our immigration laws.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 1:02 a.m.

    Trump is very dysfunctional and has been creating one crisis after another since he started his campaign. He thrives on crisis, drama, and dysfunction. The worst things you could have in a president particularly in the kind of world we live in today. Will all the people in Washington destroying our country and democracy you wonder if she can survive.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    Feb. 14, 2019 11:30 p.m.

    One only has to look at the usless national emergencies of previous presidents as to why Trump can do this. We had Obama declaring national emergencies to benefit other nations instead of our own interests. Now, we have a president that puts America first.
    For this who say wait until the next Democrat president to issue a national emergency on gun control, I say wait for them to be impeached for not sustaining the Constitution as they are sworn to do. You cannot remove a Constitutional right. It would be struck down by the Supreme Court.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 10:13 p.m.

    One again the 535 dysfunctional politicians (which is a pejorative term) in Congress have failed to do their basic job.

    Instead of celebrating having come up with a bloated package of pork which continues spending for 7 departments of government at levels from years past, they should all resign in shame for not having completed actual debate and real funding bills by last September 30th. Passing this bill, less than 6 hours before the last stopgap measure expires leaves them without time to read it to see what they are voting on.

    At this point what difference does it make if they fund all or none of a wall, or if Trump declares an emergency? They cannot balance a checkbook, end any wasteful spending, reach a majority on any issue of importance, or even secure our border to keep it safe. A pox on the whole 535 of them.

    Declaring an emergency may help fund a wall, but at the expense of military spending which is already underfunded. Worse it sets a precedent sure to be abused by future presidents of either party.

    A pox on the whole 535 of them. Trump with is personal shortcomings is less disgusting than the others, at least trying to keep promises.

  • Lia , 00
    Feb. 14, 2019 8:53 p.m.

    trump is not an intelligent man.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 8:49 p.m.

    "In a surprising development, McConnell said he would support Trump's emergency declaration, a turnabout for the Kentucky Republican, who like many lawmakers had until now opposed such action."

    Is McConnel out of his mind? If he caves and Trump goes down the road of this dangerous precedent, what stops Dems or other Republicans from calling multiple things a national emergency that aren't? It is a very dangerous road for either party to go down.

    9/11 was a national emergency. The attack on Pearl Harbor was an emergency. If Russia or China attacked us it would be a national emergency. If we had massive earthquakes that dropped California and a few other places in the ocean or completely destroyed those states it would be a national emergency.

    The border challenges have been going on for years. There is a crisis but not a national emergency. We have needed comprehensive immigration reform for at least 30 years, not just for the last 2. Congress did not take care of this for the past 30 yrs. They have the opportunity to do this now without another shutdown or Trump declaring a national emergency. The all just need to step up and do the job they are being paid to do.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 8:24 p.m.

    How long must we allow this man to tell us we're stupid? There's no emergency. He wants his multi billion dollar photo prop, and that's it. And he's happily holding us all hostage for it. I've pretty much had enough. He's our emergency. He told us Mexico would pay for it. He told us Mexico is paying for it. Then why is he holding our government hostage over it? They don't authorise expenditures on behalf of Mexico, do they?
    Did he listen to the testimony of El Chapo? Tunnels, aircraft, speedboats and trains. The wall isn't going to fix that problem, is it?
    With his woeful ignorance and rampant narcissism, it's obvious. Trump is our national emergency.

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    Feb. 14, 2019 7:13 p.m.

    President Trump will spend all the money in court costs defending his "emergency".

    It's pretty much his usual playbook to take matters to court, regardless of the merits. Why his vibrant supporters love a man with such a sue happy record is another question.

    Does anyone think we'll see 10' of his new wall before he's voted out of office? His actions are not about the wall, they are about his image. His image is far more important than anything else.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Feb. 14, 2019 6:13 p.m.

    "...the U.S. needs border security but a wall doesn't make sense, especially when the Rio Grande acts as a natural border and where private property makes building a wall more complicated...." - Mayor Jim Darling, McAllen, TX.

    "Because we’re on the border, the perception is that there’s murders every day and there’s shootings every day. Yet here in our county, we don’t have that going on. It’s very, very safe...spending billions to build more border wall...would be a waste" - Hidalgo County, TX, Sheriff J.E. “Eddie” Guerra

    "We have a river, and we don’t want to cut ourselves off from that river. I know there’s a better way...politicians like Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick [should] “shut up” about the border. - Brewster County, TX, Sheriff Ronny Dodson

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 6:01 p.m.

    I would like this to go to the Supreme Court and see what the five conservative justices have to say. A national emergency for a wall is not an emergency but a campaign promise.

    Trump can’t claim Mexico will pay for it during his campaign and then wait two years to declare an emergency.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 5:44 p.m.

    A $330 billion spending bill filled with pork and they could not find a few bucks for the border

    Good move Trump
    Build the wall

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Feb. 14, 2019 5:35 p.m.

    Thank you Mr. President! Finish the wall and a grateful America will re-elect you in 2020!

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Feb. 14, 2019 5:08 p.m.

    Just sign the paperwork and give US a day of peace.

    Trump lost and Nancy won.

  • Mick , 00
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:51 p.m.

    All of these “I can’t wait” comments show that you really don’t care about the constitution or what is right. All you care about is “your guy” is not in making these changes.

    Not one liberal,on this comment board and otherwise, cared about the federal power grab by Obama who chose to not follow laws and made big time executive orders.

    Kind of like calling out Trump lies, but not carrying about Clinton or Obama lies.

    Once again, hypocrisy.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    Republicans should be wary about supporting this, as David mentioned above.

    Alternatively, Democrats have nothing to whine about as Obama routinely took all kinds of powers and prerogatives to himself. In his mind, Congress moved too slow, so he was simply going to fix all of the problems (as he and his base saw them) by executive fiat.

    Democrats should not expect to abuse executive authority and then expect Republicans not to abuse it. I'm unaware of anything in the constitution that only allows executive authority to be abused by Democrats.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:34 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:13 p.m.

    To my good friend Spokane Ute:

    I will admit that the "immoral wall" comment was pretty absurd. I actually am for border security, but not if it is devised at a Trump rally in West Virginia somewhere.
    ------------
    That's why they have built prototypes and talked to the agents at the border to come up with an effective Barrier. Anyway, you take care my friend and have a great evening. Oh, and keep that snow blower at the ready; mine is! Peace!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:13 p.m.

    To my good friend Spokane Ute:

    I will admit that the "immoral wall" comment was pretty absurd. I actually am for border security, but not if it is devised at a Trump rally in West Virginia somewhere.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:59 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    And Pelosi (Nancy) dunks on Trump again. I wonder when he will get tired of being posterized by her. Can't wait for that Climate Change national emergency that is on the horizon.
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    Actually Nance isn't even on the Court. When she said walls are immoral she was thrown out of the league.

  • Bigger Bubba Herriman, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:57 p.m.

    Build the Wall, Mr. President!

  • JLindow St. George, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    The folks cheering Trump on for declaring a state of emergency when there is none should consider if they'd like that amount of power in the hands of a President Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Hillary Clinton.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:41 p.m.

    Shouldn't he have to prove it's an emergency in the "real world."

    What has changed in the last year that made a campaign lie, suddenly an emergency to our country?

    So Donald promises Mexico would pay for the wall, when Mexico tell him to take a flying leap, (actually much more harsh) Then Donald hold's Federal Employees hostage to his demands, loses again, so now he's making it an "emergency" where none exists.

    This isn't leadership, not even close.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    Good for Trump! Anyone who doesn't see the crisis on the southern border is choosing not to see it. In other words, the Democrats have a severe case of 'willful blindness'. Rational immigration reform is needed now!

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    @Thid Barker

    “Great victory for America and that will make the Democrats howl!”

    And keep the courts busy for years. Great victory, indeed.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:11 p.m.

    Pelosi et al no doubt have the lawsuit prepared to immediately challenge Trump's declaration of a national emergency, so this drama will be short-lived.

    But hey, if for an hour or so it allows Trump's dwindling pack of followers to froth a bit and congratulate themselves for backing such a brilliant deal-maker? Meh...seems pretty harmless. Have at it boys and nice job on the 'win'!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    Great victory for America and that will make the Democrats howl!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    Trump is trying to get out of a problem he created for himself, but jumping into something even bigger.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    I can't wait for the next president to declare and emergency to fund Medicare.

    That would be better than the wall - Medicare funding is something we actually need.

  • Unreconstructed Reb BE, 00
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:26 p.m.

    Waiting to hear the twisted rationalizations from all the small government conservatives about how the president can bypass the appropriations authorities of Congress because he failed to win over them and a majority of the American people for whole 2 years, and re-appropriate funds to enable the military to carry out eminent domain seizures along the border to impose a solution that locals don't want, justifying it at a time when illegal border crossings peaked 15 years ago and are at a 40 year low, and all because he made a silly, ill-considered promise that sounded good at campaign rallies.

    This is pure farce.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    This is what losers do. They sulk, then change the rules of the game and declare victory. Let's hope not only the Democrats but Republicans as well sue the President on his faux national emergency declaration and the courts hear the arguments after they get thru the dozens of other pending lawsuits he is waging right now.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    And Pelosi (Nancy) dunks on Trump again. I wonder when he will get tired of being posterized by her. Can't wait for that Climate Change national emergency that is on the horizon.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:12 p.m.

    But hey, if Trump gets away with this then that would mean Democrats would be able to respond in kind when they take over the White House. How does a national emergency declaration on gun violence sound? Authoritarian? Yeah probably; maybe that means you should be opposing that kind of action now.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:12 p.m.

    I believe Trump plans to take funding from Defense to build the wall.

    I do not support Trump declaring a national emergency. No president should go around Congress. I disliked Obama for doing it with his executive orders. I dislike Trump's executive orders. I will really dislike a Trump emergency declaration.

    Remember when Reid changed the Senate to allow a simple majority confirmation of judges? Republicans are really using that to their advantage now with confirmations. Imagine what Democrats will do once they hold the presidency. Emergency declaration for eliminating tax exemption of religions, religious schools, free college, guaranteed salaries, universal healthcare, freedom of speech, 2nd amendment.

    You want your gun rights taken away? Support Trump's "emergency declaration" for building a wall. Watch as our rights are destroyed during a Democratic administration if Trump establishes this standard.

    The Courts must strike this down. And they will. Trump's emergency declaration is really meant to placate his base. Nothing more.

  • Bigger Bubba Herriman, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    Build the wall, Mr. President!

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    It's not really a deal anymore when you decide to then declare you get extra things outside of it.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    This is disgusting. But expected. Trump's "emergency" will end up in court and will lose. From whom does he want to take money from for his wall? From Californians that lost their homes and loved ones in fires and floods. From Puerto Rican's that are still devastated from a hurricane. Trump is tearing America apart and Putin and his allies are loving it.