Letter: Your voice won't be heard in Utah

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  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 17, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    Wouldn't all of you who are parents stop your child from jumping off a cliff? Well that is want the Utah legislature did.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 12:19 a.m.

    It was a great day when the legislators did a needed makeover on props 2 & 3. You should consider moving to Comiefornia, you wold be more comfortable with there crazy ideas and runaway taxes to pay for them.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:50 p.m.

    Kim, I’m glad the legislature has decided to save us from ourselves. I expect those we select to represent us, those we put into the legislature to decide the rules we must follow, are smarter than the average joe schmoe on the street who voted for this fiscally unsound proposal

    As had been said before, the legislature MUST balance the budget – those who backed prop 3 do not have to balance the state’s budget.

    But another thought occurred to me – if those of you who voted for this are discouraged and stop voting, there will be fewer voters demanding more free stuff from the government, so even less will get approved. Another indirect benefit to the legislature’s action!

    Embarrassed
    Voting dem for a change? Too much iron in the water is no reason to replace it with water with arsenic.

    Hutterite, imperial7
    Theocratic patriarchy? Numerous church leaders supported prop 3

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    In a Democratic Republic, the main work is always performed by the people. They elect a FEW representatives from among themselves who are expected to leave their farms, their employment, or their businesses for a short term in order to give full time and full attention to the collective needs of the people. Those people are vetted in a caucus system where all of us are responsible to select neighbors as our proxy to interview each candidate running for office to see who among the candidates most nearly represents the values and morals of the people in their precinct. At a nominating convention, those local delegates vote for candidates whose names will appear on the ballot. In the primary election, all of the people are responsible to vote for a candidate.

    At NO TIME in a Democratic Republic are the people allowed to overrule the legislature. At NO TIME in a Democratic Republic does any initiative become law without the consent of the Legislature. At NO TIME in a Democratic Republic does a small vocal minority ditcate to the people what taxes they will pay. At NO TIME in a Democratic Republic is any citizen absolved of his duty to care for himself and his family.

  • loweye salt lake, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    For decades I have felt that our Republican legislature has just ignored what people wanted, and done whatever they wanted to do. For example, they have over and over taken money meant for education and used it elsewhere. Thus we have one of the lowest amounts spent on students because they seem to think our kids are so smart they can get along without the necessities to learn what they need. We are getting behind other states on how well our students are doing, which I seem to remember used to be #one .
    The legislature also ignored the feelings of citizens about moving the prison, apparently because the land could be used by them and their friends for businesses which would make more rich people among their campaign donors. And the people from Draper were more important and rich than the rest of us. Didn't they notice the prison when they moved in?
    There have been many more over the years because a one party legislature can do whatever they want, without listening to their constituents.

  • Cora Smith BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    Somebody below assumes the lawmakers are his or her mommy and daddy. Wow.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    To "embarrassed Utahn! " why should we vote for a Democrat? Do they reflect the values of the majority of voters? So far your only justification for voting Democrat is that they are not Republican. That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

    To "Hutterite" even if it is a veneer, that is better than what most states have. You forget that Utah for many years has been named one of the best run states. So, if this is one of the best, I don't want to think about how bad the worst is.

    To "Thomas Jefferson" rather than just "vote them out" how about you find somebody better than they are to run for office.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 8:43 a.m.

    Vote them out.

    One party rule is always bad and it doesnt matter which party.

  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 8:03 a.m.

    The way the Utah Legislature has turned a blind eye to, and worked against, what the people of Utah wanted as shown by heir votes on the Propositions is clear evidence that we need a different group of Representatives in the Legislature -- ones who will listen to us. It is definitely time for a change.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 7:40 a.m.

    When Mommy or Daddy says "NO", does that mean that they hate you? When your only argument is "Everyone else is doing it", does that make your aruguent right?

    We live in a Democratic Republic where the Legislature is charged with making all laws, even ballot initiatives. There is no end-run around that process. If certain citizens shout that they want something changed, and if they get the minority of the people of Utah to agree with them (you do know that only a minority of Utah's citizens voted for Prop 3 don't you?), does that mean that the Legislature is to abandon its responsibility to make law and let mob rule?

    That is not how a Democratic Republic works. If a small part of the people want something passed, they have to ensure that it is in the best interests of all of the people of Utah. Just because they shout louder doesn't make their position stronger.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 7:33 a.m.

    Yep. Face it, Utah is a theocracy run by a cabal of insiders. Until the balance of population shifts the other way, it will remain that way. It's not right, it's not American, but they don't care.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    They don't care because their jobs are a done deal, in our state.

    Interesting that the right is now making democracy a bad word, such a small tent, and a storm is coming.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 6:41 a.m.

    Amen!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 5:56 a.m.

    Utah democracy is a veneer, a quaint notion that must serve to enable the true theocratic patriarchy that actually runs the state. It's a cold reality but that's the way it is and it's not going to change anytime soon. All you can do is go about your business, and thumb your nose at the entire system at every opportunity. And buy your lottery tickets, liquor and beer out of state.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 5:45 a.m.

    Balance in all things. Moderation in all things. This is what happens when you have a super majority. Try voting for a Democrat for a change.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:46 a.m.

    Yet another letter writer who does not understand how the system works. The legislature did not ignore our voices on either prop. We have both Medical Marijuana and Medicaid Expansion. But the legislature is obligated to ensure that the laws that are passed are fiscally sound (The State Constitution requires a balanced budget) and legally sound. Prop two was full of legal holes and loopholes. It was very poorly written, even the proponents who wrote the initiative admitted this and worked with the legislature in the replacement bill. But in the end we got a solid, responsible, Medical Use law. Exactly as we would have had a year ago the Prop 2 proponents not intentionally torpedoed last year's version of Former Sen Madsen's Medical Use bill.

    Same thing with Prop three, it was fiscally unsound, and as written would have put Utah into a debt situation in just a few years, even worse if the Federal funds went away as they could at any time. It had to be redone. It was and we have expansion of Medicaid.

    Just because we voted for an initiative does not lock it in stone. The Legislature is still required to make sure the new law works and if not, fix it.

    As they did!

  • rptmaestro Tooele, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:01 p.m.

    Neither Utah nor the United States are democracies and never have been from day one. The U.S. Constitution requires that each state guarantee to its citizens a republication form or of government. We elect representatives to reason and deliberate about the impact of proposed legislation. It slower on purpose so that laws aren't established solely by their emotional appeal, but also on reason and judgement. That is the best manner in which to establish laws for our State. Democratic forms of government rarely if ever engage even a majority of the citizenry, and ten minutes at a voting booth is not enough time for a citizen to reason about the best way to establish laws. We elect legislators for a reason. If they fail, we elect new ones.