We need a wall on our southern border. The article associated with these
comments helps to define why. As Americans we welcome immigrants from the world
over but most Americans want immigrants to comp;y with our immigration laws.
President Trump is seeking one of the best solutions to the problem. After
reading this column I still support the wall. I also agree with the article
that the wall will be expensive. Trump needn't cave in His victories are
coming in smaller pieces than he wanted.
Build the wall
Trump shutdown the government which effected hundreds of thousands workers to
arrive at a deal that gives him less than what was offered before the shutdown.
Trump lost (and so did we as a Nation). Next time during his
"executive time" he ought to quit listening to or watching the likes of
Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and the like. We all
would be better off.
"The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won,
whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for
victory."- Sun TzuPelosi won this battle during the
December 11, 2018 Oval Office meeting, with Trump, Schumer, and...ah...some
white-haired guy whose name escapes me. Even -before- she became Speaker of
the House. Trump was so entranced by the prospect of a fight with Democrats
that he went on record -- televised no less -- to "own" the federal
shutdown, without any idea of -what- he was hoping to win, and -how- he was
hoping to win it. Immediately as Trump said that, Schumer looks across at
Pelosi, and then looks down, took less than a second. They both knew at that
moment that they won this battle, and the rest would be just going through some
motions to get there.
The donald simply isnt a good president. Far from it. But what should really
concern true patriotic* Americans is how 33% of our fellow countrymen can so
easily be fooled by such a person? You can see them on this page with their made
up 'facts' and obvious distain for reality. Impotently screaming for a
useless wall. So whipped into a frenzy by the lies this administration seems to
revel in. Always afraid of 'them'. Its sad really. *Not
the pretend cosplaytriots.
I can't help but wonder if trump's defenders ever make any effort at
all to try to learn the actual truth before trying to support things he's
doing ? Or is it simply easier to simply pass along trumpian lies?
Trump has only been in office a couple of years and he has created more debt
than Obama did in eight years?Oh yea, please tell me how great Trump
I wish he would have just claimed victory to begin with. Tweet out that the
wall has been fully funded and construction is underway. The minority of
Americans who blindly follow him would have believed it, like everything else he
says, and the Country would have easily moved past this 'political
Biscuit said, “This is a victory for President Trump. dems said they
wouldn't give him anything, but they did.”Let me correct
what you’ve said. The bill that Trump said he would sign in December
before right wing media made him change his mind, the bill the Senate approved
by unanimous consent and which the Democrats in the House and many of the
Republicans said they would vote for, had $1.6B for a Botder Wall. But now
after a 5 week shutdown putting millions of lives in peril and losing $13B in
the American economy, Trump will sign a bill with only $1.375B for a
‘barrier.’ Trump lost.
Snarky headline.Why bother reading the story?
While the left is focused on preventing the President from building the wall,
he's appointing bus loads of federal judges who respect the language of the
US Constitution. The joke's on you! His legacy of textualist judges may
make him one of the most effective defenders of the US Constitution in US
This is a victory for President Trump. dems said they wouldn't give him
anything, but they did.
He really is a terrible 'deal maker'.
@thid barker"so the actual debt Obama contributed is probably way over
$10 trillion"Cite the Obama policies that
'contributed' to the debt increase that was 'way over $10
Trillion'.Cite how much each specific policy contributed.Facts are important to support your claims, so take your time.We'll wait.
@thid Spending originates in Congress. 6 of the 8 years of Obama
presidency was a solid republican house and the last two he had a republican
majority in Congress.So it is misleading to say he increased the
deficit but if you are going that way why does trump have deficits then?
Thid Barker said, “Joe hill: 22 trillion- of which Obama added 10
trillion! Not to worry before President Trump is done the national debt will be
on the way down.“Thanks for that chuckle Thid. Here’s a
fact to consider. Over the past 38 years only two presidents have lowered the
national deficit each year of their administration - Clinton and Obama. Each
one of the so called fiscal conservatives increased the deficit almost every
year of thier time in office. One of Trump’s many campaign promises was
to eliminate the entire national debt within 5 years. Instead he has taken the
deficit from around $400B in Obama’s last year to now over $1.0T. And his
tax cut will only make it worse. The national debt increased significantly
under Obama because he started with a $1.4T deficit from GW Bush who took Bill
Clinton’’s surplus budget and passed a $5.0T tax cut. You can look
JoeHill: Fact: On January 20, 2009, when Obama was sworn in, the debt was
$10.626 trillion. On January 20, 2017, when he left, it was $19.947 trillion. So
he actually did add over $9.3 trillion. I said $10 trillion because Obamacare
red ink was still coming in (and still is by the way) so the actual debt Obama
contributed is probably way over $10 trillion! $2 trillion is less than $9.3
trillion isn't it? Where was your outrage then?
"Joe hill: 22 trillion- of which Obama added 10 trillion! Not to worry
before President Trump is done the national debt will be on the way
down."One more trumpian lie.First
"Obama's" 10 trillion was really George W. and Cheney's debt
due to three wars on the national credit card. Obama's policies actually
slowed the growth of the debt -- but couldn't stop what was already
rolling. If it had not been for Obama, the debt would be much larger now than
it is.Second, trump and the GOP with their tax cuts have already
added 2 trillion in two years -- much, much more than ANY administration going
clear back to WW II. And third, if you believe that trump's
policies ( fantasies would be a better word ) will eventually reduce the debt,
I'm sure trump has several more lies he would love to tell you.
@thid bakerSorry Thid but you can blame Obama and Democrates for Trumps
incompetence but doesn’t change reality.
Joe hill: 22 trillion- of which Obama added 10 trillion! Not to worry before
President Trump is done the national debt will be on the way down. Unless of
course Democrats like Alexandria ocasio-cortez gets her way and we will spend
hundreds of trillions driving America back to the Stone Age.
Ralph - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 13, 2019 12:04 p.m.Spokane Ute:
"Ha Ha Ha, Nance must be laying on the ground kicking and punching. "Not sure why she would be upset, she bested the mango mussolini by a
fair margin. Trump is the worst negotiator in the history of
business or politics.-----------Because she didn't get her way
like all Democrats. That new Green Deal your party is proposing sure makes sense
now doesn't it Mr. Helper?
@Thid Barkerhere is an estimate for you 22 trillion dollars, that is our
new record deficit thanks to Trump.
Trump got less money this time then what he was offered when he shut the
government down for a month. It also calls for fewer people locked up by ICE.
And Thid thinks he's a genius.
Mexico is housing thousands of refugees in their country, waiting for an asylum
hearing in ours, paid for by Mexican citizens. Good to know the
Democrats will play politics with America's security. They voted to pay for
the fencing in the past, and if they had followed through, we wouldn't be
in this position. (Bush and Clinton get part of the blame also)
Impartial the mistake the left makes is they are always under estimating
president Trump. That's why he's president today.
You voted for Trump on the premise Mexico would pay for the Wall now over a
billion of your tax dollars are going to be wasted , Dollars that could be put
toward actually making America Great again. Funding Cleanup of
Nation Forests I mean during the fire at Brian Head fire didn't you people
denounce the Feds for not cleaning up the fallen timber ? Utah has wildfires
fires just about every summer I guess people will just gamble there home wont
burn down What about funding for the Elementary and Secondary
Education Act aren't you people upset our schools are the lowest funded in
the nation ? I mean Utah is one of the highest states that receives
Federal Funding well when funding drys up for those project Utah will move to
raise taxes again.
Spokane Ute: "Ha Ha Ha, Nance must be laying on the ground kicking and
punching. "Not sure why she would be upset, she bested the mango
mussolini by a fair margin. Trump is the worst negotiator in the
history of business or politics.
"Not one penny for the Wall"Ha Ha Ha, Nance must be laying
on the ground kicking and punching. Whah, WhahJust like
@This;"Thid Barker - Victor, IDFeb. 13, 2019 9:37 a.m.President Trump "caved"? Not by a long shot! He isn't done
building the wall yet. Watch it happen!"Thid, you really need a
real news source. The fact is that Trump has not built even 1 foot of new wall.
Not 1 foot. What has happened is that some portions of the old wall has been
replaced and repaired. That's not a "Fake News" or liberal media
position. It's the cold, hard truth. That money and authorization was
approved by the Obama administration. Trump has had the military roll out some
razor wire, That's the entire extent of his wall building.
So happy Trump is getting his wall, and Mexico is paying for it. That man is a
There is rampant crime in the streets of El Paso and that must compel him to
shut down the government. How will Hannity and Rush sell ads now?
President Trump "caved"? Not by a long shot! He isn't done building
the wall yet. Watch it happen!
@J. Smith - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 13, 2019 7:22 a.m.Yet we have
seen him lie on so many occasions what can we possibly believe when it comes out
of that man's mouth?"We can't. Most everyone knows
that. Former business partners, employees and contractors know this. Our allies
and other World leaders know this. Congress knows this, even the leaders of the
GOP Senate and House know this. Our enemies know this and revel in it. Putin
knows Americans don't trust Trump, that's why Putin worked to get him
elected. I think even most of Trump's dwindling base know this,
they're just too dug in to say otherwise.
Of course he will sign it, he caved in the first time and let the Dems beat him,
why would he be strong about it now?
Trump just negotiated downward. He's getting less money now than was
offered last go round. My concern is that Trump will go watch FOX News and see
all the derision on this deal from Sean Hannity (Called it a "garbage
compromise") and Laura Ingraham called it "Pathetic". All Trump
needs to hear from now is Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and he'll back out.
Again. Our country is being led by a child.
So much art created over the last 2 months it warrants its own museum.Or at least housed among other elegant minimalist works. Trump turned $25B
into $1.4B right before our eyes. Art or magic???And, all that in
conjunction with a beautiful, biggest ever, people are saying the best ever
immigration reform package! So grand and exquisite, yet you almost
can't see it...
trump is never happy.We won't have to deal with him much longer.
Caught between a base rock and a shutdown hard place. The failed shutdown ruined
the next two years of the failing Administration and fake success claims hollow.
Yet we have seen him lie on so many occasions what can we possibly believe when
it comes out of that man's mouth?