Megan McArdle: 'We're nuts!' isn't a great pitch for a Green New Deal

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  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    @Traveller:

    "Stop trying to equalize the outcomes, [...] focus on [...] equalizing opportunity."

    They can't.

    There is a real issue in America with income inequality. There are a few people, through no special brilliance, skill or foresight make *WAY* more money then even they were hoping for when they started their business.

    There are a bunch of people who could have been Jeff Bezos, but Jeff Bezos was the first who came out of the box with a viable internet e-commerce platform.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't begrudge Jeff Bezos his billions. He's the rightful owner of all of the Amazon stock he owns, and he built his business with a lot of hard work and talent.

    But not $135.5B worth.

    Rational people look at that kind of income inequality and decide that something should be done.

    And from that seed, we have a bunch of liberals, (like AOC) trying to make sure the sporadically employed pizza delivery guy and the hard working doctor live equally comfortable lives.

    Income inequality for the bottom 99% is *ESSENTIAL* to how our society functions. Liberals, in trying to correct the insane levels of income inequality, miss this simple fact.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    "[I]t articulates an ideal, one that we may never reach but should at least strive for."

    I don't think any ideal that includes total government control of energy, transportation, housing, what we eat (no cows), and our income (by giving it to those who are "unwilling" to work) is an ideal that is in any way worth striving for.

    You couldn't pay me enough to live in such a nation.

    Stop trying to equalize the outcomes, progressives, and focus on better equalizing opportunity.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    @Eponymous Eggplant – “Obama didn't make conservatives crazy. We have maintained our sanity the entire time.”

    Your assertion is refuted not only by the many Obama proposals that included Republican ideas (e.g., Stimulus bill, Financial Reform, ACA, 2012 Tax deal, 2011 Budget deal, etc.) but also by simply watching FOX shows every night of his presidency (hardly a showcase of sanity).

    Time and time again Obama sought the middle ground, but again, Republicans decided even before inauguration day that they would obstruct rather than compromise (and then they got their media propaganda network to spin it as “principled resistance” to a communist plot, or some such nonsense) .

    Sounds like you’re fine with pure obstruction, but it certainly is not how the Founders designed it.

    PS – My first comment should make it obvious that I’m no leftist, but I realize that in the FOX bubble everyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh is a leftist.

  • Eponymous Eggplant Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    No, leftists, Obama didn't make conservatives crazy. We have maintained our sanity the entire time. The reason we were so opposed to Obama is that he wanted a leftist "fundamental transformation" of America. GND is simply an extension of the same identity-politics driven authoritarianism America was founded to withstand.

    Thank you, Megan, for pointing out that the Democrat policies outlined in the Green New Deal are "nuts." Thank you for unabashedly referencing the original FAQs, that GND's own Cornell professor spokesman (in a tinfoil hat moment) blamed on Republicans! The script for this rollout is closer to a comedic "mockumentary," than to real life. EVEN SO, Democrat leaders are actually on board with this lunacy. This is exactly why we opposed Obama, and no, it didn't make us crazy. Rather, conservatives are the antidote to crazy.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    @Karen R. – “Then it isn't even close. Only one acknowledges the underlying reality.”

    Agreed. Let’s hope it’s a visionary starting point and not an intractable policy demand. In other words, let’s hope Democrats have not yet morphed into the mirror opposite of today’s Republicans.

    @jsf “Trump is the result of the Obama era…”

    Thank you for making my case. Compared to AOC (et al) Obama was a centrist pragmatist.

    Case in point – Obama’s first major bill was the Stimulus package. After being told we were sliding into a depression, and hearing from economists across the political spectrum on how to slow/stop it, rather than going with only one party’s suggestions, he went with both – as any good pragmatist not sure what will work would have done. That’s why the Stimulus bill had both government spending (Keynesian) and tax cuts (the largest in history, in fact).

    And yet you guys were made completely irrational over Obama even before he assumed office.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Feb. 13, 2019 5:23 a.m.

    @ Tyler D

    "Obama made the Right irrational and now Trump is returning the favor to the Left."

    LOL! This is how I feel: Surrounded on all sides by people so out of their minds with hysteria that a rational, well-considered thought gets drowned out.

    But I thought (in the context of climate change), "Okay, if this is all I have to choose from right now - lunacy from the left and the right - which one offers more hope for survival in the generations to come? Then it isn't even close. Only one acknowledges the underlying reality.

    So I agree with McArdle that the proposals are pie-in-the-sky. But I also hear that same line always heard from those either invested in the status quo or otherwise not especially interested in addressing the issue: "If you'd just done it differently..." Uh-huh, sure.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 4:18 a.m.

    This is exactly why McConnell is pushing a vote on this green deal

    To show everyone that the Democrats are nuts

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 4:16 p.m.

    maybe Obama (and his desire for a fundamental change of America) was the birth place for irrational politics of the left, and democrats. AOC is not proposing anything new that was not evident in the 2016 campaigns. This is the same irrational behavior of the "Occupy Wall street message and the continuing ANTIFA ideology that has been in play for 16 years. There is no difference between the Democratic Socialist now then when Hillary was courting them in her campaign.

    It is only ATDS hubris that would try to blame this Democrat nonsense on Trump. Trump is the result of the Obama era and Democrat campaigns leading up to 2016.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:08 p.m.

    I could only shake my head in dismay while reading the Green New Deal – a proposal (really scores of proposals) that goes far beyond mitigating climate change, something we should certainly be addressing. Rather, it reads like a wishlist for every liberal dream of the last 50 years (e.g., as laudable as it may be, what does universal health have to do with climate change?).

    What this (and AOC’s election) in fact is is Newton’s Third Law of Motion being played out in our national politics.

    Obama made the Right irrational and now Trump is returning the favor to the Left.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    We can start easy. All Democrats can give up driving their cars for good (even electric cars are overwhelmingly powered by coal-based electricity), and also give up heating and electricity (except for solar panels or power generated from wind). Once they have successfully navigated that - not after a week, but after perhaps 10 years to see if it works in the long run - then they can convince the rest of us to take the same steps.