Utah Gov. Gary Herbert signs replacement for Proposition 3 Medicaid expansion

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  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    When the Federal Government started giving money to the states to help fund education, that gave the Federal Government the power to give marching orders to the states on how to run their schools. When the Federal Government starts giving money to support healthcare, they can, too, give orders in this area, which most likely already happens. I'm just surprised that the Federals do not insist on living healthy lifestyles ; no smoking, liquor, mandatory physical exercise, whatever else. Those taxpayers who already follow such a healthy regimen have every right to demand such regulations, since most people would be healthier, requiring less medical attention. Freedom, you say ? We are already selling ourselves to the government, more and more; and they are buying us with our own money. Or our neighbor's money in some cases.

  • Deb2 Eugene, OR
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:32 a.m.

    There is a story in REV. about a one world ruler. That’s why polititions do what they do... It’s simply a precursor....

  • Deb2 Eugene, OR
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:16 a.m.

    The reason the government doesnt’t listen is by design.
    It’s simply about a story in Rev. I believe it’s a precursor to a one world order, then a One Ruler...

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 1:16 a.m.

    It is really sad that some people think the rights under the Constitution includes healthcare. Why not a free home and a car? How ridiculous! We have the same opportunities to pursue whatever our hearts desire within the boundaries of the law. The choices we made through out our lives have consequences. We should not be forced to pay for someone’s healthcare. That is what Prop 3 does. Without taxes, the government has no money. Therefore, taxpayers foot the bill. I don’t mind paying the additional taxes for this. But demanding we must do it because they voted for it? They voted to legally pick our pockets with no shame.

  • dolce et decorum est , 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    @ Bob,

    You should not give up your habit of voting in State elections. It is much too needed and too valuable. Progress is being made. Even though the Utah legislator discharged its responsibilities on this issue in an unconscionable manner, there will still be more people covered than before the fight for proposition 3 was waged. Also, the consciousness of the people of Utah continues to rise in the wake of these most resent acts of arrogance. That will lead to more change. Although there is much that depresses me about Utah politics, there are many bright spots. And, there will be many more bright spots as long as good people do not despair in the face of such blatant displays of cynicism, as our current legislature and governor are so wont to provide.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 2:13 p.m.

    As Rev. Hayachi was quoted as saying in the article "he recognizes the forces at play." I appreciate his comment and I too, recognize the same forces that he does. In my current state of frustration with the "senator/senate" proposed amended change to Prop 3 and the Governor who signed into law...I doubt that I will ever vote in another state wide election. I will vote in local elections only. At least my vote will count there. Not voting in elections where I feel my vote means nothing is a personal choice.

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    NoNames - St. George, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    “We don't want to live under the socialism favored by the residents of SLC and Park City”.

    The Faux News empty talking points are beyond asinine and so ridiculously overplayed. The ongoing cognitive dissonance should be embarrassing. Specifically, who do you believe you’re fooling besides yourself? “Democratic socialism” is when the community freely elects its representatives to control the apparatus of government. This is opposed to socialism that’s run by some form of unelected autocracy or dictator. “Capitalism” is when the means of production is privately owned and operated for a profit. The U.S. is seen as a “capitalistic” country, as distinct from socialistic. But in truth, we’ve never had anything close to pure, unfettered capitalism! Enough of the Faux News sound bites!

  • GiveMeLibert Cedar Rapids, IA
    Feb. 12, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    For those who claim healthcare is not a "right" --

    Is this not part of the Declaration of Independence : "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

    What we understand today about medicine is that proper healthcare provides a better life; a better life provides more liberty (hard to be free if you are stuck at home sick all the time) and you are bettered enabled to pursue Happiness when you have good health.

    It's time to jettison the belief that making investors and CEOs of health organizations rich = best healthcare in the world. I've traveled to many of the Western European nations, and while their health systems are not perfect, they are much more inline with our supposed belief in "life, liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" than our broken systems are today.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    The vote count "22 to 7 sums things up as well as the remarks from several of the senators. My personal take away from this article is that this is likely to be the last proposition to be presented to the legislature.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    Let's be clear about this: SB96 was a "message bill", and the message was, "WE are the lawmakers here; not you, you ignoramus voters! And don't you forget it!! If you don't like our decisions and actions, vote us out! We dare you!! (But we won't be holding our breath...)". Honestly, I think the origin of this "message" goes beyond the state legislature, to the doorstep of the Utah Republican Party leadership.

    The ball is in our court. It's time for rank and file Republicans in Utah (especially moderate and center-right ones) to abandon the party that abandoned them a long time ago, and join another party or become independent. It is also time for the state Democratic Party and United Utah Party to ramp up fundraising, recruitment, and marketing now, starting today (if they are not already doing that, they are crazy).

    Retribution is coming, or it certainly ought to be.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    My religious beliefs compel me to help and support my fellow man.

    I'm not naÏve that some will take wrongful advantage of me, but doesn't matter to me. My job is to help and serve others when I can. This is one area where I can help others. It's selfish for me or anyone else to think otherwise.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    LOL!!! The voters got what they didn't vote for. I'm glad I voted no on this...

  • Bigger Bubba Herriman, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    Thank goodness for state legislators who pass reasonable legislation. I don't trust propositions that are drawn up by special interest groups then put to a vote among an electorate who don't (cannot) understand the full extent of the propositions they are voting on.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Before signing the bill, the governor met with a small group of faith leaders to discuss the bill.

    Why?! Will there ever be a separation of Church & State!

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    I have some information for Jake Anderegg: Until we as a nation tackle our absurd runaway healthcare costs, the problem of insuring people will always be something that government has to deal with. When we do finally get around to tackling the core problem (runaway healthcare costs), it can only be done in a way that moves us toward universal healthcare.

    If Utah’s GOP is squirming over insurance expansion, wait until the grass roots demand they put an end to unfettered price-gouging and medical billing scams that have become the norm for all healthcare providers.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    Medicaid was establish to provide heath care to the poor.

  • JLindow St. George, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:42 a.m.

    Utah 20A-7-208

    "(a)Except as provided in Subsection (1)(b), when the lieutenant governor delivers an initiative petition to the Legislature, the law proposed by that initiative petition shall be either enacted or rejected without change or amendment by the Legislature.
    (b)The speaker of the House and the president of the Senate may direct legislative staff to:
    (i)make technical corrections authorized by Section 36-12-12; and
    (ii)prepare a legislative review note and a legislative fiscal note on the law proposed by the initiative petition."

    It would be great if that's how it actually worked in Utah.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    Tax breaks for wealthy corporations...

    No problem.

    Health care for Utah Citizens that need help...

    Let them eat cake.

  • bluecollar Kearns, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    Herbert signed a bill that contained a "backstop". If waivers are not approved, SB 96 includes the language of HB 210 which closely mirrors Prop. 3.

    The ACA was passed in 2010. Utah legislators knew that in 2013 federal funds would be available to expand Medicaid.
    Republicans found more reasons to not expand Medicaid than to do it.
    It took a citizen's initiative to convince them to do their jobs.

    Full expansion means persons with annual income of $16, 753 or less have coverage.
    Partial expansion means it covers persons earning $12,140 or less.
    The difference between Prop 3 and SB 96 is coverage for persons earning a difference of $4,613 per year.
    Expressing it as 100% of Federal Poverty Level or 138% of FPL de-personalizes the issue.

    These are children in low-income homes. These are elderly who cannot work any longer. Most of elderly have paid for Medicaid for many years but now can no longer contribute.
    These are persons with disabilities and chronic illness that prevents them from working in higher-paying jobs. Able-bodied adults who are between jobs.
    Full expansion is the right thing to do.

  • mohokat , 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    I did not vote in favor of Prop 3 but accepted the vote. I also respect the fact that it was a budget buster. The deal breaker for me was this latest TV commercial in favor of Prop 3 in which a girl was sitting on a piano bench and on the piano behind her was a LDS Hymn book and a triple combination. That was a hidden signal to LDS members to not support the legislature. Shameful. I am glad the the Legislature took control.

  • conservativeme1 West Valley City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:17 a.m.

    I'm with the legislature. It was a referendum that was voted on, not a law. We elect representatives because we are a Republic. In my opinion, (and you have a right to your own), this referendum needed help from the legislature to make it work and not bankrupt the State of Utah. People cry that the people's voice was not heard because the Legislature has made changes to this referendum and also Prop 2. Far from the truth, they ARE doing what a legislature is supposed to do. If we only have "majority rules" apply, then we'd better watch out, because those who want that, might someday find themselves on the opposite side of the majority and they won't like it. Having a representative form of government gives us all a voice, not just the majority, and keeps us from a dictatorship.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    More accurate headline.
    "GOP sticks finger into the eye of Utah voters. Herbert adds his. "

  • Lia , 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:56 a.m.

    Purge the current legislature in the next vote.

    But it won't happen...because it makes sense, and sense is not in Utahn's DNA

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    But our legislators saw fit to very quietly renew their annual gift of a huge tax break of $1.74 million to Energy Solutions.

    How nice !

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:52 a.m.

    imsmarterthanyou - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:07 p.m.
    So does that mean I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those "less fortunate" with health insurance when I can't get any for my own family?

    ====

    Could one of the reason that you can't get health insurance for your own family is because of the high premiums needed to pay the $66,000 PER DAY average pay package of health care executives ?

    Don't believe me? You can easily check it out by simply Googling "Health industry CEO pay packages."

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    Lesson hard earned, Now Herbert and Utah Incumbent Legislators have taken your insurance increased your premiums, and lowered your coverage maybe this will motivate you to vote Herbert and Utah Incumbents out of office.

  • Doyle rebuttal St. George, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:23 a.m.

    Senator Anderegg “hates this bill because it is one step closer to universal health care.” I intensely dislike lifetime health insurance for legislators who serve in part time elected positions. I look forward to Anderegg’s bill that eliminates this hypocritical and financially unsustainable entitlement.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:23 a.m.

    I'd like to know why legislators can't afford to help people get health care but are cutting the sales tax by 500%?

    "Oops, we cut our income, so we can't afford to help you now. Sorry. You're on your own."

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 6:58 a.m.

    In the last General Conference, President Eyring related this,
    “Many years ago, I was first counselor to a district president in the eastern United States. More than once, as we were driving to our little branches, he said to me, “Hal, when you meet someone, treat them as if they were in serious trouble, and you will be right more than half the time.” Not only was he right, but I have learned over the years that he was too low in his estimate. Today I wish to encourage you in the troubles you face.”

    In 1956, my teacher from Eastern Europe had us memorize this Poem.

    MOTHER OF EXILES.
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Utah is supposed to be, a Light on the Hill to the World.

    My ancestors and our ancestors that came here in 1800s gave and received help from each other’s. Some were widows or widowers with children in need of help of food, shelter, and comfort in the Poem above.

    We are not an island. It takes a village.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 6:38 a.m.

    The Pharisees, Saducees a d Scribes are alive in Utah.

    The Love of Christ is lacking for people that Christ taught. The letter is alive but the Spirit missing in the hearts of men.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 5:51 a.m.

    Re:Straitpath

    "Saying it a thousand times still does not make it a right."

    Tell your hero in the oval office that!

  • Schwa Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 4:20 a.m.

    We can't have the voters circumventing the will of the government, now can we?

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:17 a.m.

    Disregard of Citizens' votes and government transparency is being delicately erased folks.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:17 a.m.

    Getting the legislature of Utah to expand medicaid is like an ant trying to shove an elephant. One won't do it, we need all of us pushing, and if we don't work together, the big elephant sits down and squashes us.

    I'm just glad there was enough of us little ants to move the legislature an inch.

    Socialism that fails is when the government tries to take over and run industries. Central planning of large economies doesn't work. Helping the poor have access to health insurance is not nationalizing health care. The hospitals and providers are not government run.

    Of course no one called state run liquor stores socialist, or state run public education(though I am for it) but helping the poor is somehow socialist.

    The costs of healthcare has skyrocketed, and ability to pay your own way for the bottom 12-15% of the population is not possible as a matter of the mathematics of the dollars involved, and that percentage keeps growing.

    Utah will be a better state ,much suffering and anxiety will be alleviated, and less bankruptcies will be filed and lives will be saved because of this medicaid expansion.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 1:00 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted,

    It is extremely difficult to engage someone in this conversation when he can’t social democracy from communism.

    “Sensible people don't want the world's best healthcare to be turned into the equavalent of public restrooms where one is compelled to "hover" and hold his breath.”

    According to your definition and the results of the latest Pew Study on the question of universal healthcare, 60% of Americans are not sensible — and the percentage is increasing. Further, there is no study that I am aware of the ranks the US as the world’s best healthcare system. Far from it. Here are some actual results:

    World Health Organization - #37
    US News & World Report - #19
    Bloomberg - #10
    International Insurance - #11
    Legatum Institute - #32

    Decent healthcare is not something that should be exclusively reserved for the wealthy or those “with a good job”. Moreover, good healtcare, together with prosperity, well-being, culture, and education, is a measure of a nation’s quality of life. Right now the US is losing ground on that score.

  • IcemanCometh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:26 p.m.

    May the Feds reject the program put forth by paternalistic legislature.

    That said, Prop 3 may have needed some changes to fully fund it but when the legislature gut it then propose a tax break there is a listening problem. (i.e. the tax payers spoke).

    @ NoNamesAccepted - specious logic that 70% said "no". 45% declined to vote and as such have abdicated their vote to those who did. Prop 3 passed period.

  • Speakingforme Pikeville, KY
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:34 p.m.

    The Utah GOP Legislators are telling us that we have a "Republic" and not a "Democracy" and therefore they are obligated to ignore the will of the electorate and substitute their own wisdom. Is a Republic really the Spirit of the Constitution? Would Madison agree with them if he were alive today? Given the transportation, communication and technology of their day, a Democratic Republic was the next best thing for a Government "Of the People, by the People and for the People", but the Spirit of the Constitution in today's world would be a Governemnt by Initatives.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:05 p.m.

    "SB96 also initially provides a federal-to-state funding match of 70 percent to 30 percent while needed waivers are sought from Washington for the higher 90-10 match available under full Medicaid expansion."

    We can't afford to expand Medicaid completely but we can afford to pay 3x as much per person?

  • jparry Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 8:16 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted,

    "Earning our bread by the sweat of our brow," is not a Christian value, but was the curse that God pronounced on Adam for disobedience. Christian values are necessary precisely because in a fallen world where people are born into different socio-economic circumstances, with different genetic strengths and weaknesses, and to parents, families, and communities of different make-ups and abilities, it's going to be hard for any of us to make it on our own, but some of us will need more help than others.

    For that matter, most of us will experience at some point in our lives times when we really need that extra help. And so beyond receiving blessings from God for doing the right thing (no small thing, mind you), I can find myself in a community where people both help each other and can be helped when needed, which builds trust, compassion, and a number of other Christian values that makes our fallen experience bearable.

  • dulce et decorum est , 00
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:46 p.m.

    Jks123 said that "Compulsory benevolence is not charity."

    I agree with this statement, but do not see its relevance to the present situation. Proposition 3 works to provide for the basic human needs of those who have fallen on hard times, which is something that can happen to any of, and usually despite significant efforts, by those falling on hard times, to contribute to society.

    We, as a society, make the rules for the economic game that distributes these basic human needs. Those rules can be made charitably, or they can be rigged in favor of those with the most resources and power. More people are waking up to the fact the rules of our economic game are hugely biased in favor of those with the least need.

    The people of Utah acted charitably by voting for Proposition 3 to, in a small way, correct some of this bias. Unfortunately, the legislature and the governor have chosen to stand in the way of the charity of the people of Utah.

  • JimDabakis slc, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:40 p.m.

    Monday, February 11, 2019, a day that will live in infamy in Utah as tens of thousands of low-income, working Utah families, had the dream of affordable healthcare snatched from their grasp for no logical reason. Shame.

  • jparry Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:24 p.m.

    @ christoph,

    Supporing Prop 3 as written is not about "overturning math." The legislature and Governer's office have made projections of how much they think it will cost to support the Medicaid expansion in several years. Projecting costs is a different kind of math, one involving a number of variables that can't be known, and our leaders have not been forthcoming about the assumptions they've made that have produced the numbers they've cited. They certainly have rushed this bill in such a way that is hard to believe that they gave this issue adequate study.

    Another variable concerns what happens when we invest in healthcare. Healthcare spending might actually improve the health of working Utahns, making them more productive and able to contribute more money to the state's tax coffers because they're making more money for themselves. Healthcare, like education, is an investment that pays for itself many times over.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:19 p.m.

    Thanks for playing Utah voters

    Maybe one day it will actually count for something

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:17 p.m.

    I support legislature and governor; voters cannot overturn math. Life is fragile and we are here for brief life. There is a job for all in this state. So much good in the state. Keep all things simple, I would vote for medicaid expansion if it was simple. Utah is becoming big government, let us be careful. Keep life simple.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:11 p.m.

    @cityboy: "You invoke the word “liberal” like an invective. We should review the definition of liberalism."

    Use "progressive", "socialist", or "communist" if you like. True liberalism is what I do with my own property, not what I force you to do with yours.

    "the common good we pool part of our collective resources: public restrooms"

    And this is why I oppose government-run healthcare. Sensible people don't want the world's best healthcare to be turned into the equavalent of public restrooms where one is compelled to "hover" and hold his breath.

    @Joe Hilll: "I am pretty sure you do not want to tug on this thread or the whole legitimacy of his presidency goes away."

    I'm fine to pull this thread. I voted for Trump and yet would use Trump's narrow electoral college victory, and possible popular vote loss to correct anyone who claimed the President has any kind of a "mandate". He won, but without a strong mandate.

    Prop 3 passed the voting rules as they exist. But it certainly doesn't represent the will of the majority of Utahns, not even the majority of Utah's registered voters. It was a law, subject to legislative change like every other law on the books.

    Consistency.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:38 p.m.

    Herbert signed it. Now its time for them to nullify the other Proposition. It will be three for three. Stop voting for arrogant people who could not care less what you want unless you have a big check for them.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:29 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted,
    You invoke the word “liberal” like an invective. We should review the definition of liberalism.

    Liberalism - generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and free markets.

    The scriptues speak about “liberality” with frequency re: how we treat the poor and the needy. So I ask you a question — do you not support these elements? If not, which ones do you not support?

    We live in a country where social democracy is already practiced in that for the common good we pool part of our collective resources:
    public education
    public transportation
    public highways
    public restrooms
    public parks
    social security
    public water, sewer and garbage service
    national defense
    fire and police protection
    public libraries
    mosquito abatement

    We need to add to this list universal healthcare, like all other other highly developed countries in the world. Those who believe that we are not already paying for healthcare for the uninsured are mistaken. We are paying for it through dramatically higher doctor and hospital costs.

  • eigerjoe Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    Hooray for the House and the Senate for doing their job! Hopefully the Governor will follow their lead shortly. Some may say, "This is a dark day for democracy" or "still not giving the people of Utah what they voted for." Apparently those people do not understand that we are not a democracy and they probably wouldn't like it if we were. There are very a good reasons that our state leaders are not giving the Prop 3 people what they think they want – it’s not financially realistic or responsible. Congratulations to the House and Senate – job well done!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    If a person has $5000 on them or in their car and Utah police stop them and find it, the police can take it.

    Forcing the person to spend time and money to get their money back.

    Utah voters a few years ago voted to discontinue this practice. I was quite upset at the time. What ever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?

    On the other hand look at California. Their people voted for a high speed train they can hardly afford. The Utah legislature / governor's consistently put Utah at or near the of best managed States.

    Members of a legislature are more likely to study an issue before they vote on it. People are less likely to study before voting on a bill. For the most part, I trust the legislature more than the people to pass good laws and to not pass bad ones.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:01 p.m.

    Healthcare is NOT a right. Saying it a thousand times still does not make it a right.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:52 p.m.

    I believe health care is neither a right nor a privilege. I believe it is choice and a priority.

    For those below the appointed level I’m OK with providing a low cost choice for medical care. Expanding it to a certain point is OK with me too. Those who meet the other thresholds can choose to buy insurance at greatly reduced rates, as low as 30 dollars a month. Making it a right to free care gives a privilege to those who don’t pay for it. It ought to be a temporary hand up for a few years to help people to lift themselves above those economic levels

    For others of us, we have no right and we have no privilege. We do on the other hand, have we must make, a choice to prioritize to be able to afford insurance premiums. I am doing without somethings to exercise my choice to have insurance. Now, with the effects of Obamacare which costs several times more than before, I am only able to buy significantly less coverage and they tell me what doctors I can see and the hospitals I can go to. I have to choose if I am really concerned enough about health issues to go to the Doctor or just hope I’ll get better soon.

  • Plebus Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    I'm absolutely furious that the Utah legislators aren't implementing our votes as we voted them--but are instead watering it down and projecting their own agendas.

    With all due respect to our lawmakers, "did you not hear our votes?! did they stutter!? They were unequivocal and unambiguous!" We want them implemented as we voted for them. Anything less is a disenfranchisement of basic voting rights.

    I will clearly remember the lawmakers who didn't seek to implement the votes we voted for them and will kindly support their political opponents. My only regret is that other than a lawsuit to restore our voting intent, and seeking to vote them out of office for the next term, there isn't more that can be done to hold these wayward lawmakers accountable for public malfeasance.

  • jks123 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:40 p.m.

    Iron Rod stated:
    "I agree with Jimmy Carter when he said.
    “If you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor,
    Then stop saying you want a country based on Christian Values.
    Because you don’t”"

    I agree with the following statement:
    "Compulsory benevolence is not charity."

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted
    “Nowhere near a "majority of hte people in this State supported" Prop 3. It got 54% of the 55% of registered voters who voted. That is 29.7%. The other 70%+ either explicitly said "no" or declined to say "yes’.” If you are a Trump supporter I am pretty sure you do not want to tug on this thread or the whole legitimacy of his presidency goes away.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:35 p.m.

    The blame goes to those people who drafted the Proposition, not the Legislature. The drafters failed to provide a way to fully pay for Medicaid expansion. Even the Legislature can't invent money.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:45 p.m.

    @Iron Rod: "I agree with Jimmy Carter when he said.
    “If you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor,
    Then stop saying you want a country based on Christian Values.
    Because you don’t”"

    And I say, stop bringing up "Christian Values" only when it benefits your liberal agenda.

    Let's talk about the "Christian Value" of earning our daily bread by the sweat of our brow. Let's talk about the Christian Value of giving to charities freely rather than via the compulsion of taxes.

    We might discuss the Christian Values of keeping sex within the bounds of marriage and of exercising strict fidelity, patience, and love within marriage so that far fewer children are born out of wedlock, go through divorce, or are born to those too young and inexperienced to have any chance of supporting them.

    How do you feel about the Christian Value of "rendering unto Caesar" or as many locals put it, "honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law" including laws on immigration?

    A Christian nation would not tolerate elective abortion, much less moments before birth. Infanticide is beyond reprehensible.

    Want to talk Christian values in caring for the poor? Stop forcing such values out everywhere else.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    @FT: "This is a disgrace. The issue aside, that legislators overrode the majority of people in this State is an affront to democracy."

    1- Nowhere near a "majority of hte people in this State supported" Prop 3. It got 54% of the 55% of registered voters who voted. That is 29.7%. The other 70%+ either explicitly said "no" or declined to say "yes".

    2-Prop 3 recieved majority support of those who did vote in only Salt Lake County and Summit County. And in Salt Lake Country, it failed to muster a majority vote in plenty of legislative districts. Let us also remember the election day problems in Utah County that resulted in many voters giving up and going home without casting their ballots.

    Not supported by "a majority of people in the State".

    3-With good reason we are a republic rather than a democracy. You can't be happy about the courts overriding our vote to define marriage and then claim a vote to impose higher taxes and accept an on-going financial burden is somehow sacred.

    We don't want to live under the socialism favored by the residents of SLC and Park City. Good job legislators.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    Re: imsmarterthanyou

    Since you're smarter than the rest of us - you should have no trouble getting a good job that provides good health insurance as a benefit. My job provides great health insurance and you're smarter than me, or so you claim.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:07 p.m.

    Shame, shame, shame on these legislatures for turning their backs on the voters and on the less fortunate. There was an election, the issues were presented and debated and the people voted. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work? And now the paternal legislature, who thinks they know what is best for each of us (thank you very much) is now patting us on the head and telling us, "thanks for voting...that was fun."
    Shame on them and I hope the events of this session continue to be on everybody's mind when these people are up for re-election.

  • Semper Fidelis Layton, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:55 p.m.

    I love the idea of Medicaid expansion and that we are expanding Medicaid --I voted for it.

    Those who are declaring their anger at the 'will of the people' not being honored, please explain how Prop 3 was going to effectively cover the costs of expansion.

    We can all vote on an idea together, but if it's not well-constructed and feasible, it doesn't matter in the long run. Looking at the numbers and plan for prop 3 it was evident that it was not reasonably financed.

    Utah has a 300 million dollar surplus for a reason. Medicaid is expanding and is doing so with appropriate financing.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    It is to bad the governor does not veto or refuse to sign this bill.

    I agree with Jimmy Carter when he said.
    “If you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor,
    Then stop saying you want a country based on Christian Values.
    Because you don’t”

  • retiredvet Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    Senator Allen Christensen knows as a pediatric health provider how vital Medicaid expansion is for Utah's poor people. This is now your legacy, Dr. Christensen, along with Utah being 48th in the country in Medicaid reimbursements for both Medical and Dental. Horrible.

    Shame....

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    @imsmarterthanyou
    Reading Hairy’s post It sounds like your anger should be directed at Senator Christianson as he is the person who claimed you should be able to get affordable insurance. I am fortunate enough to have very good nsurance through my employer and I don’t mind paying extra taxes so people like you could have access to primary care service. One because it is the decent thing to do and it is far more fiscally responsable then having people who are uninsured wait to get care for something that can be dealt with through primary care and end up in the ER or having people seek primary care through the ER. If it’s about ut fiscal responsibility then republicans should be all for expansion.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    ithinkimsmarterthanyou - Salt Lake City, UT

    “So does that mean I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those "less fortunate" with health insurance when I can't get any for my own family? I hope that's what they did but I doubt it.”

    Another day. Continued propaganda. Uncertain how this helps yourself and family. You’ve been informed by numerous individuals on this forum, including myself regarding your ability to obtain high quality insurance via the ACA. The only ones suffering from your President Obama/Liberal animosity is yourself and family! Furthermore. Possibly investigate factual information rather parroting low information talking points. The choice is yours, and it shouldn’t be a very difficult one considering you believe you’re smarter than everyone else.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:51 p.m.

    This is a disgrace. The issue aside, that legislators overrode the majority of people in this State is an affront to democracy.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    @ Hairy Reasoner - Springville, UT

    Have you ever tried to buy health insurance? I had good insurance through my work, but obama destroyed that. Now I can't get insurance at all. But I'm not considered as one "less fortunate" so I can get welfare insurance you think eveyone in the state should have. The cheapest insurance I can find is $2,000 a month for me and my wife, more if I were to add kids. That's more than my house payment. So, before you force me to buy good insurance for others, how about if you let me get some for my family? I'm sick & tired of supporting you and your kids while my family goes without.

  • Hairy Reasoner Springville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    @ imsmarterthanyou:

    "So does that mean I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those 'less fortunate' with health insurance when I can't get any for my own family?"

    According to Sen. Christensen, you can buy federally subsidized insurance at rates below $30 a month, so I guess you can get insurance for your family. I'm sure he'd love to provide that information to you. You should contact him and compliment him for saving you enough money in taxes to pay for your insurance.

  • Hairy Reasoner Springville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    This legislature falls all over itself granting hundreds of millions of dollars of tax breaks to business and industry, but can't bring itself to provide affordable healthcare to everybody in the state. When did healthcare become a privilege, not a right?

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:10 p.m.

    I was interested in Senator Christensen's comment to the effect the he was just doing his job. In my experience, people almost never say such things unless they're about to commit a moral outrage. Frustrating the will of the people of Utah as expressed in their votes may not rise quite to that level -- but it's a close question.

  • dulce et decorum est , 00
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:05 p.m.

    I just wrote to Governor Herbert requesting that he veto SB96 and/or any other bill that would prevent or delay full Medicaid expansion to the full extent voted for by the people who passed proposition 3. I suggest others do the same.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:07 p.m.

    So does that mean I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those "less fortunate" with health insurance when I can't get any for my own family? I hope that's what they did but I doubt it.