When the Federal Government started giving money to the states to help fund
education, that gave the Federal Government the power to give marching orders to
the states on how to run their schools. When the Federal Government starts
giving money to support healthcare, they can, too, give orders in this area,
which most likely already happens. I'm just surprised that the Federals do
not insist on living healthy lifestyles ; no smoking, liquor, mandatory physical
exercise, whatever else. Those taxpayers who already follow such a healthy
regimen have every right to demand such regulations, since most people would be
healthier, requiring less medical attention. Freedom, you say ? We are already
selling ourselves to the government, more and more; and they are buying us with
our own money. Or our neighbor's money in some cases.
There is a story in REV. about a one world ruler. That’s why polititions
do what they do... It’s simply a precursor....
The reason the government doesnt’t listen is by design. It’s
simply about a story in Rev. I believe it’s a precursor to a one world
order, then a One Ruler...
It is really sad that some people think the rights under the Constitution
includes healthcare. Why not a free home and a car? How ridiculous! We have the
same opportunities to pursue whatever our hearts desire within the boundaries of
the law. The choices we made through out our lives have consequences. We should
not be forced to pay for someone’s healthcare. That is what Prop 3 does.
Without taxes, the government has no money. Therefore, taxpayers foot the bill.
I don’t mind paying the additional taxes for this. But demanding we must
do it because they voted for it? They voted to legally pick our pockets with no
@ Bob,You should not give up your habit of voting in State
elections. It is much too needed and too valuable. Progress is being made.
Even though the Utah legislator discharged its responsibilities on this issue in
an unconscionable manner, there will still be more people covered than before
the fight for proposition 3 was waged. Also, the consciousness of the people of
Utah continues to rise in the wake of these most resent acts of arrogance. That
will lead to more change. Although there is much that depresses me about Utah
politics, there are many bright spots. And, there will be many more bright
spots as long as good people do not despair in the face of such blatant displays
of cynicism, as our current legislature and governor are so wont to provide.
As Rev. Hayachi was quoted as saying in the article "he recognizes the
forces at play." I appreciate his comment and I too, recognize the same
forces that he does. In my current state of frustration with the
"senator/senate" proposed amended change to Prop 3 and the Governor who
signed into law...I doubt that I will ever vote in another state wide election.
I will vote in local elections only. At least my vote will count there. Not
voting in elections where I feel my vote means nothing is a personal choice.
NoNames - St. George, UTFeb. 11, 2019 2:44 p.m.“We
don't want to live under the socialism favored by the residents of SLC and
Park City”.The Faux News empty talking points are beyond
asinine and so ridiculously overplayed. The ongoing cognitive dissonance should
be embarrassing. Specifically, who do you believe you’re fooling besides
yourself? “Democratic socialism” is when the community freely elects
its representatives to control the apparatus of government. This is opposed to
socialism that’s run by some form of unelected autocracy or dictator.
“Capitalism” is when the means of production is privately owned and
operated for a profit. The U.S. is seen as a “capitalistic” country,
as distinct from socialistic. But in truth, we’ve never had anything close
to pure, unfettered capitalism! Enough of the Faux News sound bites!
For those who claim healthcare is not a "right" -- Is this
not part of the Declaration of Independence : "We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and
the pursuit of Happiness"What we understand today about medicine
is that proper healthcare provides a better life; a better life provides more
liberty (hard to be free if you are stuck at home sick all the time) and you are
bettered enabled to pursue Happiness when you have good health.It's time to jettison the belief that making investors and CEOs of health
organizations rich = best healthcare in the world. I've traveled to many of
the Western European nations, and while their health systems are not perfect,
they are much more inline with our supposed belief in "life, liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness" than our broken systems are today.
The vote count "22 to 7 sums things up as well as the remarks from several
of the senators. My personal take away from this article is that this is likely
to be the last proposition to be presented to the legislature.
Let's be clear about this: SB96 was a "message bill", and the
message was, "WE are the lawmakers here; not you, you ignoramus voters! And
don't you forget it!! If you don't like our decisions and actions,
vote us out! We dare you!! (But we won't be holding our breath...)".
Honestly, I think the origin of this "message" goes beyond the state
legislature, to the doorstep of the Utah Republican Party leadership.The ball is in our court. It's time for rank and file Republicans in
Utah (especially moderate and center-right ones) to abandon the party that
abandoned them a long time ago, and join another party or become independent.
It is also time for the state Democratic Party and United Utah Party to ramp up
fundraising, recruitment, and marketing now, starting today (if they are not
already doing that, they are crazy).Retribution is coming, or it
certainly ought to be.
My religious beliefs compel me to help and support my fellow man.I'm not naÏve that some will take wrongful advantage of me, but
doesn't matter to me. My job is to help and serve others when I can.
This is one area where I can help others. It's selfish for me or anyone
else to think otherwise.
LOL!!! The voters got what they didn't vote for. I'm glad I voted no
Thank goodness for state legislators who pass reasonable legislation. I
don't trust propositions that are drawn up by special interest groups then
put to a vote among an electorate who don't (cannot) understand the full
extent of the propositions they are voting on.
Before signing the bill, the governor met with a small group of faith leaders to
discuss the bill.Why?! Will there ever be a separation of Church
I have some information for Jake Anderegg: Until we as a nation tackle our
absurd runaway healthcare costs, the problem of insuring people will always be
something that government has to deal with. When we do finally get around to
tackling the core problem (runaway healthcare costs), it can only be done in a
way that moves us toward universal healthcare. If Utah’s GOP
is squirming over insurance expansion, wait until the grass roots demand they
put an end to unfettered price-gouging and medical billing scams that have
become the norm for all healthcare providers.
Medicaid was establish to provide heath care to the poor.
Utah 20A-7-208"(a)Except as provided in Subsection (1)(b), when
the lieutenant governor delivers an initiative petition to the Legislature, the
law proposed by that initiative petition shall be either enacted or rejected
without change or amendment by the Legislature.(b)The speaker of the House
and the president of the Senate may direct legislative staff to:(i)make
technical corrections authorized by Section 36-12-12; and(ii)prepare a
legislative review note and a legislative fiscal note on the law proposed by the
initiative petition."It would be great if that's how it
actually worked in Utah.
Tax breaks for wealthy corporations...No problem.Health
care for Utah Citizens that need help...Let them eat cake.
Herbert signed a bill that contained a "backstop". If waivers are not
approved, SB 96 includes the language of HB 210 which closely mirrors Prop.
3.The ACA was passed in 2010. Utah legislators knew that in 2013
federal funds would be available to expand Medicaid. Republicans found
more reasons to not expand Medicaid than to do it.It took a citizen's
initiative to convince them to do their jobs.Full expansion means
persons with annual income of $16, 753 or less have coverage.Partial
expansion means it covers persons earning $12,140 or less.The difference
between Prop 3 and SB 96 is coverage for persons earning a difference of $4,613
per year. Expressing it as 100% of Federal Poverty Level or 138% of FPL
de-personalizes the issue. These are children in low-income homes.
These are elderly who cannot work any longer. Most of elderly have paid for
Medicaid for many years but now can no longer contribute.These are persons
with disabilities and chronic illness that prevents them from working in
higher-paying jobs. Able-bodied adults who are between jobs.Full expansion
is the right thing to do.
I did not vote in favor of Prop 3 but accepted the vote. I also respect the fact
that it was a budget buster. The deal breaker for me was this latest TV
commercial in favor of Prop 3 in which a girl was sitting on a piano bench and
on the piano behind her was a LDS Hymn book and a triple combination. That was a
hidden signal to LDS members to not support the legislature. Shameful. I am glad
the the Legislature took control.
I'm with the legislature. It was a referendum that was voted on, not a
law. We elect representatives because we are a Republic. In my opinion, (and
you have a right to your own), this referendum needed help from the legislature
to make it work and not bankrupt the State of Utah. People cry that the
people's voice was not heard because the Legislature has made changes to
this referendum and also Prop 2. Far from the truth, they ARE doing what a
legislature is supposed to do. If we only have "majority rules" apply,
then we'd better watch out, because those who want that, might someday find
themselves on the opposite side of the majority and they won't like it.
Having a representative form of government gives us all a voice, not just the
majority, and keeps us from a dictatorship.
More accurate headline. "GOP sticks finger into the eye of Utah
voters. Herbert adds his. "
Purge the current legislature in the next vote.But it won't
happen...because it makes sense, and sense is not in Utahn's DNA
But our legislators saw fit to very quietly renew their annual gift of a huge
tax break of $1.74 million to Energy Solutions.How nice !
imsmarterthanyou - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 11, 2019 12:07 p.m.So does
that mean I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those "less
fortunate" with health insurance when I can't get any for my own
family?====Could one of the reason that you can't
get health insurance for your own family is because of the high premiums needed
to pay the $66,000 PER DAY average pay package of health care executives ?Don't believe me? You can easily check it out by simply Googling
"Health industry CEO pay packages."
Lesson hard earned, Now Herbert and Utah Incumbent Legislators have taken your
insurance increased your premiums, and lowered your coverage maybe this will
motivate you to vote Herbert and Utah Incumbents out of office.
Senator Anderegg “hates this bill because it is one step closer to
universal health care.” I intensely dislike lifetime health insurance for
legislators who serve in part time elected positions. I look forward to
Anderegg’s bill that eliminates this hypocritical and financially
I'd like to know why legislators can't afford to help people get
health care but are cutting the sales tax by 500%? "Oops, we cut
our income, so we can't afford to help you now. Sorry. You're on your
In the last General Conference, President Eyring related this, “Many years ago, I was first counselor to a district president in the
eastern United States. More than once, as we were driving to our little
branches, he said to me, “Hal, when you meet someone, treat them as if
they were in serious trouble, and you will be right more than half the
time.” Not only was he right, but I have learned over the years that he
was too low in his estimate. Today I wish to encourage you in the troubles you
face.”In 1956, my teacher from Eastern Europe had us memorize
this Poem.MOTHER OF EXILES.“Keep, ancient lands, your
storied pomp!" cries sheWith silent lips. "Give me your tired,
your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched
refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to
me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"Utah is supposed
to be, a Light on the Hill to the World.My ancestors and our
ancestors that came here in 1800s gave and received help from each
other’s. Some were widows or widowers with children in need of help of
food, shelter, and comfort in the Poem above.We are not an island.
It takes a village.
The Pharisees, Saducees a d Scribes are alive in Utah.The Love of
Christ is lacking for people that Christ taught. The letter is alive but the
Spirit missing in the hearts of men.
Re:Straitpath"Saying it a thousand times still does not make it
a right."Tell your hero in the oval office that!
We can't have the voters circumventing the will of the government, now can
Disregard of Citizens' votes and government transparency is being
delicately erased folks.
Getting the legislature of Utah to expand medicaid is like an ant trying to
shove an elephant. One won't do it, we need all of us pushing, and if we
don't work together, the big elephant sits down and squashes us.I'm just glad there was enough of us little ants to move the legislature
an inch.Socialism that fails is when the government tries to take
over and run industries. Central planning of large economies doesn't work.
Helping the poor have access to health insurance is not nationalizing health
care. The hospitals and providers are not government run.Of course
no one called state run liquor stores socialist, or state run public
education(though I am for it) but helping the poor is somehow socialist.The costs of healthcare has skyrocketed, and ability to pay your own way
for the bottom 12-15% of the population is not possible as a matter of the
mathematics of the dollars involved, and that percentage keeps growing. Utah will be a better state ,much suffering and anxiety will be
alleviated, and less bankruptcies will be filed and lives will be saved because
of this medicaid expansion.
@NoNamesAccepted,It is extremely difficult to engage someone in this
conversation when he can’t social democracy from communism.“Sensible people don't want the world's best healthcare to be
turned into the equavalent of public restrooms where one is compelled to
"hover" and hold his breath.”According to your
definition and the results of the latest Pew Study on the question of universal
healthcare, 60% of Americans are not sensible — and the percentage is
increasing. Further, there is no study that I am aware of the ranks the US as
the world’s best healthcare system. Far from it. Here are some actual
results:World Health Organization - #37US News & World
Report - #19Bloomberg - #10International Insurance - #11Legatum Institute - #32Decent healthcare is not something that
should be exclusively reserved for the wealthy or those “with a good
job”. Moreover, good healtcare, together with prosperity, well-being,
culture, and education, is a measure of a nation’s quality of life. Right
now the US is losing ground on that score.
May the Feds reject the program put forth by paternalistic legislature. That said, Prop 3 may have needed some changes to fully fund it but when
the legislature gut it then propose a tax break there is a listening problem.
(i.e. the tax payers spoke).@ NoNamesAccepted - specious logic that
70% said "no". 45% declined to vote and as such have abdicated their
vote to those who did. Prop 3 passed period.
The Utah GOP Legislators are telling us that we have a "Republic" and
not a "Democracy" and therefore they are obligated to ignore the will of
the electorate and substitute their own wisdom. Is a Republic really the Spirit
of the Constitution? Would Madison agree with them if he were alive today? Given
the transportation, communication and technology of their day, a Democratic
Republic was the next best thing for a Government "Of the People, by the
People and for the People", but the Spirit of the Constitution in
today's world would be a Governemnt by Initatives.
"SB96 also initially provides a federal-to-state funding match of 70 percent
to 30 percent while needed waivers are sought from Washington for the higher
90-10 match available under full Medicaid expansion."We
can't afford to expand Medicaid completely but we can afford to pay 3x as
much per person?
@NoNamesAccepted,"Earning our bread by the sweat of our
brow," is not a Christian value, but was the curse that God pronounced on
Adam for disobedience. Christian values are necessary precisely because in a
fallen world where people are born into different socio-economic circumstances,
with different genetic strengths and weaknesses, and to parents, families, and
communities of different make-ups and abilities, it's going to be hard for
any of us to make it on our own, but some of us will need more help than others.
For that matter, most of us will experience at some point in our
lives times when we really need that extra help. And so beyond receiving
blessings from God for doing the right thing (no small thing, mind you), I can
find myself in a community where people both help each other and can be helped
when needed, which builds trust, compassion, and a number of other Christian
values that makes our fallen experience bearable.
Jks123 said that "Compulsory benevolence is not charity." I
agree with this statement, but do not see its relevance to the present
situation. Proposition 3 works to provide for the basic human needs of those
who have fallen on hard times, which is something that can happen to any of, and
usually despite significant efforts, by those falling on hard times, to
contribute to society. We, as a society, make the rules for the
economic game that distributes these basic human needs. Those rules can be made
charitably, or they can be rigged in favor of those with the most resources and
power. More people are waking up to the fact the rules of our economic game are
hugely biased in favor of those with the least need. The people of
Utah acted charitably by voting for Proposition 3 to, in a small way, correct
some of this bias. Unfortunately, the legislature and the governor have chosen
to stand in the way of the charity of the people of Utah.
Monday, February 11, 2019, a day that will live in infamy in Utah as tens of
thousands of low-income, working Utah families, had the dream of affordable
healthcare snatched from their grasp for no logical reason. Shame.
@ christoph,Supporing Prop 3 as written is not about
"overturning math." The legislature and Governer's office have
made projections of how much they think it will cost to support the Medicaid
expansion in several years. Projecting costs is a different kind of math, one
involving a number of variables that can't be known, and our leaders have
not been forthcoming about the assumptions they've made that have produced
the numbers they've cited. They certainly have rushed this bill in such a
way that is hard to believe that they gave this issue adequate study.Another variable concerns what happens when we invest in healthcare.
Healthcare spending might actually improve the health of working Utahns, making
them more productive and able to contribute more money to the state's tax
coffers because they're making more money for themselves. Healthcare, like
education, is an investment that pays for itself many times over.
Thanks for playing Utah votersMaybe one day it will actually count
I support legislature and governor; voters cannot overturn math. Life is
fragile and we are here for brief life. There is a job for all in this state.
So much good in the state. Keep all things simple, I would vote for medicaid
expansion if it was simple. Utah is becoming big government, let us be careful.
Keep life simple.
@cityboy: "You invoke the word “liberal” like an invective. We
should review the definition of liberalism."Use
"progressive", "socialist", or "communist" if you like.
True liberalism is what I do with my own property, not what I force you to do
with yours."the common good we pool part of our collective
resources: public restrooms"And this is why I oppose
government-run healthcare. Sensible people don't want the world's best
healthcare to be turned into the equavalent of public restrooms where one is
compelled to "hover" and hold his breath.@Joe Hilll: "I
am pretty sure you do not want to tug on this thread or the whole legitimacy of
his presidency goes away."I'm fine to pull this thread. I
voted for Trump and yet would use Trump's narrow electoral college victory,
and possible popular vote loss to correct anyone who claimed the President has
any kind of a "mandate". He won, but without a strong mandate.
Prop 3 passed the voting rules as they exist. But it certainly
doesn't represent the will of the majority of Utahns, not even the majority
of Utah's registered voters. It was a law, subject to legislative change
like every other law on the books.Consistency.
Herbert signed it. Now its time for them to nullify the other Proposition. It
will be three for three. Stop voting for arrogant people who could not care less
what you want unless you have a big check for them.
@NoNamesAccepted,You invoke the word “liberal” like an
invective. We should review the definition of liberalism.Liberalism
- generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial
equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of
religion, and free markets. The scriptues speak about
“liberality” with frequency re: how we treat the poor and the needy.
So I ask you a question — do you not support these elements? If not,
which ones do you not support?We live in a country where social
democracy is already practiced in that for the common good we pool part of our
collective resources:public educationpublic transportationpublic highwayspublic restroomspublic parkssocial
securitypublic water, sewer and garbage servicenational defensefire and police protectionpublic librariesmosquito abatementWe need to add to this list universal healthcare, like all other other
highly developed countries in the world. Those who believe that we are not
already paying for healthcare for the uninsured are mistaken. We are paying for
it through dramatically higher doctor and hospital costs.
Hooray for the House and the Senate for doing their job! Hopefully the Governor
will follow their lead shortly. Some may say, "This is a dark day for
democracy" or "still not giving the people of Utah what they voted
for." Apparently those people do not understand that we are not a democracy
and they probably wouldn't like it if we were. There are very a good
reasons that our state leaders are not giving the Prop 3 people what they think
they want – it’s not financially realistic or responsible.
Congratulations to the House and Senate – job well done!
If a person has $5000 on them or in their car and Utah police stop them and find
it, the police can take it.Forcing the person to spend time and
money to get their money back.Utah voters a few years ago voted to
discontinue this practice. I was quite upset at the time. What ever happened
to innocent until PROVEN guilty?On the other hand look at
California. Their people voted for a high speed train they can hardly afford.
The Utah legislature / governor's consistently put Utah at or near the of
best managed States.Members of a legislature are more likely to
study an issue before they vote on it. People are less likely to study before
voting on a bill. For the most part, I trust the legislature more than the
people to pass good laws and to not pass bad ones.
Healthcare is NOT a right. Saying it a thousand times still does not make it a
I believe health care is neither a right nor a privilege. I believe it is
choice and a priority. For those below the appointed level I’m
OK with providing a low cost choice for medical care. Expanding it to a certain
point is OK with me too. Those who meet the other thresholds can choose to buy
insurance at greatly reduced rates, as low as 30 dollars a month. Making it a
right to free care gives a privilege to those who don’t pay for it. It
ought to be a temporary hand up for a few years to help people to lift
themselves above those economic levels For others of us, we have no
right and we have no privilege. We do on the other hand, have we must make, a
choice to prioritize to be able to afford insurance premiums. I am doing
without somethings to exercise my choice to have insurance. Now, with the
effects of Obamacare which costs several times more than before, I am only able
to buy significantly less coverage and they tell me what doctors I can see and
the hospitals I can go to. I have to choose if I am really concerned enough
about health issues to go to the Doctor or just hope I’ll get better soon.
I'm absolutely furious that the Utah legislators aren't implementing
our votes as we voted them--but are instead watering it down and projecting
their own agendas. With all due respect to our lawmakers, "did
you not hear our votes?! did they stutter!? They were unequivocal and
unambiguous!" We want them implemented as we voted for them. Anything less
is a disenfranchisement of basic voting rights.I will clearly
remember the lawmakers who didn't seek to implement the votes we voted for
them and will kindly support their political opponents. My only regret is that
other than a lawsuit to restore our voting intent, and seeking to vote them out
of office for the next term, there isn't more that can be done to hold
these wayward lawmakers accountable for public malfeasance.
Iron Rod stated:"I agree with Jimmy Carter when he said.“If you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, Then
stop saying you want a country based on Christian Values.Because you
don’t”"I agree with the following statement:"Compulsory benevolence is not charity."
@NoNamesAccepted“Nowhere near a "majority of hte people in this
State supported" Prop 3. It got 54% of the 55% of registered voters who
voted. That is 29.7%. The other 70%+ either explicitly said "no" or
declined to say "yes’.” If you are a Trump supporter I am
pretty sure you do not want to tug on this thread or the whole legitimacy of his
presidency goes away.
The blame goes to those people who drafted the Proposition, not the Legislature.
The drafters failed to provide a way to fully pay for Medicaid expansion. Even
the Legislature can't invent money.
@Iron Rod: "I agree with Jimmy Carter when he said.“If you
don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, Then stop saying you
want a country based on Christian Values.Because you
don’t”"And I say, stop bringing up "Christian
Values" only when it benefits your liberal agenda.Let's
talk about the "Christian Value" of earning our daily bread by the sweat
of our brow. Let's talk about the Christian Value of giving to charities
freely rather than via the compulsion of taxes.We might discuss the
Christian Values of keeping sex within the bounds of marriage and of exercising
strict fidelity, patience, and love within marriage so that far fewer children
are born out of wedlock, go through divorce, or are born to those too young and
inexperienced to have any chance of supporting them.How do you feel
about the Christian Value of "rendering unto Caesar" or as many locals
put it, "honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law" including laws on
immigration?A Christian nation would not tolerate elective abortion,
much less moments before birth. Infanticide is beyond reprehensible.Want to talk Christian values in caring for the poor? Stop forcing such values
out everywhere else.
@FT: "This is a disgrace. The issue aside, that legislators overrode the
majority of people in this State is an affront to democracy."1-
Nowhere near a "majority of hte people in this State supported" Prop 3.
It got 54% of the 55% of registered voters who voted. That is 29.7%. The other
70%+ either explicitly said "no" or declined to say "yes". 2-Prop 3 recieved majority support of those who did vote in only Salt
Lake County and Summit County. And in Salt Lake Country, it failed to muster a
majority vote in plenty of legislative districts. Let us also remember the
election day problems in Utah County that resulted in many voters giving up and
going home without casting their ballots.Not supported by "a
majority of people in the State".3-With good reason we are a
republic rather than a democracy. You can't be happy about the courts
overriding our vote to define marriage and then claim a vote to impose higher
taxes and accept an on-going financial burden is somehow sacred.We
don't want to live under the socialism favored by the residents of SLC and
Park City. Good job legislators.
Re: imsmarterthanyouSince you're smarter than the rest of us -
you should have no trouble getting a good job that provides good health
insurance as a benefit. My job provides great health insurance and you're
smarter than me, or so you claim.
Shame, shame, shame on these legislatures for turning their backs on the voters
and on the less fortunate. There was an election, the issues were presented and
debated and the people voted. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to
work? And now the paternal legislature, who thinks they know what is best for
each of us (thank you very much) is now patting us on the head and telling us,
"thanks for voting...that was fun."Shame on them and I hope the
events of this session continue to be on everybody's mind when these people
are up for re-election.
I love the idea of Medicaid expansion and that we are expanding Medicaid --I
voted for it. Those who are declaring their anger at the 'will
of the people' not being honored, please explain how Prop 3 was going to
effectively cover the costs of expansion. We can all vote on an idea
together, but if it's not well-constructed and feasible, it doesn't
matter in the long run. Looking at the numbers and plan for prop 3 it was
evident that it was not reasonably financed.Utah has a 300 million
dollar surplus for a reason. Medicaid is expanding and is doing so with
It is to bad the governor does not veto or refuse to sign this bill.I agree with Jimmy Carter when he said.“If you don’t want
your tax dollars to help the poor, Then stop saying you want a country
based on Christian Values.Because you don’t”
Senator Allen Christensen knows as a pediatric health provider how vital
Medicaid expansion is for Utah's poor people. This is now your legacy, Dr.
Christensen, along with Utah being 48th in the country in Medicaid
reimbursements for both Medical and Dental. Horrible.Shame....
@imsmarterthanyouReading Hairy’s post It sounds like your anger
should be directed at Senator Christianson as he is the person who claimed you
should be able to get affordable insurance. I am fortunate enough to have very
good nsurance through my employer and I don’t mind paying extra taxes so
people like you could have access to primary care service. One because it is the
decent thing to do and it is far more fiscally responsable then having people
who are uninsured wait to get care for something that can be dealt with through
primary care and end up in the ER or having people seek primary care through the
ER. If it’s about ut fiscal responsibility then republicans should be all
ithinkimsmarterthanyou - Salt Lake City, UT“So does that mean
I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those "less fortunate"
with health insurance when I can't get any for my own family? I hope
that's what they did but I doubt it.”Another day.
Continued propaganda. Uncertain how this helps yourself and family. You’ve
been informed by numerous individuals on this forum, including myself regarding
your ability to obtain high quality insurance via the ACA. The only ones
suffering from your President Obama/Liberal animosity is yourself and family!
Furthermore. Possibly investigate factual information rather parroting low
information talking points. The choice is yours, and it shouldn’t be a
very difficult one considering you believe you’re smarter than everyone
This is a disgrace. The issue aside, that legislators overrode the majority of
people in this State is an affront to democracy.
@ Hairy Reasoner - Springville, UTHave you ever tried to buy health
insurance? I had good insurance through my work, but obama destroyed that. Now I
can't get insurance at all. But I'm not considered as one "less
fortunate" so I can get welfare insurance you think eveyone in the state
should have. The cheapest insurance I can find is $2,000 a month for me and my
wife, more if I were to add kids. That's more than my house payment. So,
before you force me to buy good insurance for others, how about if you let me
get some for my family? I'm sick & tired of supporting you and your
kids while my family goes without.
@ imsmarterthanyou:"So does that mean I don't have to pay
more taxes to provide those 'less fortunate' with health insurance
when I can't get any for my own family?"According to Sen.
Christensen, you can buy federally subsidized insurance at rates below $30 a
month, so I guess you can get insurance for your family. I'm sure
he'd love to provide that information to you. You should contact him and
compliment him for saving you enough money in taxes to pay for your insurance.
This legislature falls all over itself granting hundreds of millions of dollars
of tax breaks to business and industry, but can't bring itself to provide
affordable healthcare to everybody in the state. When did healthcare become a
privilege, not a right?
I was interested in Senator Christensen's comment to the effect the he was
just doing his job. In my experience, people almost never say such things
unless they're about to commit a moral outrage. Frustrating the will of
the people of Utah as expressed in their votes may not rise quite to that level
-- but it's a close question.
I just wrote to Governor Herbert requesting that he veto SB96 and/or any other
bill that would prevent or delay full Medicaid expansion to the full extent
voted for by the people who passed proposition 3. I suggest others do the same.
So does that mean I don't have to pay more taxes to provide those "less
fortunate" with health insurance when I can't get any for my own
family? I hope that's what they did but I doubt it.