Dick Harmon: Why Kalani Sitake believes recruiting to BYU is more simple when narrowed down to the basics

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  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 2:54 p.m.

    Unlike Utah 2004,

    which laughingly "busted the BCS"

    by beating only THREE teams with winning records,

    none better than 5-7,

    BYU 1984 earned enough respect to be ranked #1

    by the majority of AP and Coaches voters.

    From 1979 to 1984,

    BYU had more 11+ win, Top 12 finishes,

    than Utah has had in their entire 125 season football history.

    Utah never has had,

    and never will have,

    a legitimate national championship contending team.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:02 a.m.
    “BYU fans can say/spin all they dream for.......it doesn't change the fact that they were ONLY a WAC era gimmick ...”

    A string of Top 3 Heisman QBs, two of whom went on to become Super Bowl MVP’s, is proof of just how clueless your claim is - have a nice day sir.

    btw, the WAC of 1984 and the MWC of 2004 were basically the same conference.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:55 a.m.

    @Deep Blue,

    The 1984 college football final ranking catastrophe is the SOLE REASON why that obscenity will never occur again. BYU had just one nationally viable football team ever, in 1996, never before or since, and NEVER again. Just relish in the 1984 mistake fine sir.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 15, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    BYU fans can say/spin all they dream for.......it doesn't change the fact that they were ONLY a WAC era gimmick and are nothing in D1 football as of today, haven't been for over two decades. Pray, prognosticate and preach all you care to do.......BYU hoops and football doesn't have, nor will ever attract the players that they need to be in any conversation. It, really, is that simple folks.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 14, 2019 6:28 p.m.

    azute1

    "Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have produced some terrific seasons for Little Big Teams in the 21st century, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other Little Big Teams even got a legitimate shot at: they finished #1."

    No BYU fan has ever claimed that BYU 1984 was the best team of all time, but unlike Utah 2004 and 2008, BYU did convince the majority of AP and Coaches voters that BYU was THE best team in 1984.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:32 p.m.

    azute1

    "BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3..."

    Take away the meaningless 12th game against Utah State (1-10), played after BYU had already risen to #1 in both polls, and BYU's schedule was very similar to Utah's 2004 schedule.

    BYU's 1984 SOS was #82 (60-75-3 - without meaningless game at Utah State)
    Utah's 2008 SOS was #80 (87-77)
    Utah's 2004 SOS was #70 (61-76)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2019 4:19 p.m.

    azute1

    "How bad was Michigan?"

    Michigan 1984 would have destroyed Pittsburgh 2004.

    - Michigan finished 1983 ranked #8.
    - Michigan started 1984 ranked #14.
    - Michigan was ranked #2 after beating then #1 Miami 22-14; Miami finished #18.
    - Michigan would have played in the Rose Bowl, if the Wolverines hadn't lost at #11 Ohio State 6-21 in their regular season finale.
    - Michigan lost to #2 Washington 11-20.
    - Michigan lost to #1 BYU 17-24.
    - Michigan finished 1985 ranked #2.

    Michigan suffered a rash of injuries mid-season, that derailed their season, but most of those players were back and healthy by the time they played BYU in the Holiday Bowl.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2019 3:59 p.m.

    It's sad that a fellow Arizonan is so misguided.

    azute1: "No, AF didn’t finish ranked."

    A mere technicality.

    Air Force 1984 did finish #24 in the Final AP poll, unranked ONLY because the AP only "ranked" the Top 20 in 1984.

    Air Force 1984 finished higher in the Final AP poll, than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25.

    BYU 1984 beat #24 Air Force on the road. Air Force destroyed their bowl opponent, Va Tech, and beat the team they tied in the AP poll, #24 Notre Dame.

    Utah 2004 beat #25 Pittsburgh at a neutral site. Pittsburgh, quad champion of the Big Least, was destroyed by their bowl opponent, Utah.

    Bottom line:

    BYU 1984 earned their #1 ranking by convincing the majority of AP (38) and Coaches (38) voters that BYU deserved to be ranked #1.

    Utah 2008 failed to convince a majority of AP (16) and Coaches (1) voters that Utah deserved to be ranked #1.

    Next time Utah embarks on a national championship quest, the Utes may want to start by not finishing the previous season unranked with an ugly 0-27 shutout loss to UNLV (2-10).

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2019 1:01 p.m.

    Brigham Young

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have produced some terrific seasons for Little Big Teams in the 21st century, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other Little Big Teams even got a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.

    Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. [No, AF didn’t finish ranked.] The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion”.

    How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games.

    The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

    Go Utes!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 14, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    Despite the jealous naysayers and BYU haters, it's pretty clear that BYU's body of work from 1979 to 1984 earned BYU the respect needed from the poll voters to be selected consensus national champions, even without a tremendously difficult schedule.

    BYU should have been given the opportunity to play Washington or Nebraska to prove themselves in a bowl, but both teams rejected invitations to play the #1-ranked Cougars.

    I'm certain that voters took that into consideration in their final votes.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 14, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 11:46 a.m.
    Comparing 1979-1984 BYU and 2003-2008 Utah Credentials

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5 - #12, #12, #11, #7, #1
    Utah 3 - #21, #4, #2

    BYU had more Top 12 finishes from 1979-1984, than Utah has had in its entire history.

    Which is why BYU was a legitimate national championship contender by the 2nd week of the 1984 season,

    and why Utah was never a legitimate national championship contender in 2008.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 14, 2019 12:30 p.m.

    azute1

    “So much ‘cred’ that they started ‘84 UNranked [and NO, QB uncertainty had zero to do w/it].”

    Then why wasn’t BYU ranked pre-season 1984 where BYU ended post-season 1983?

    Except for Young, most of BYU’s 1983 starters returned in 1984.

    The truth is the uncertainty of replacing Young was the PRIMARY reason BYU wasn’t ranked in the Top 20. BYU was ranked in the 1984 pre-season Top 25.

    The exact same reason Utah was unranked pre-season 2005, because of the uncertainty of replacing Alex Smith. Unfortunately for U, Utah didn’t have a QB capable of replacing Alex.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    Comparing 1979-1984 BYU and 2003-2008 Utah Credentials

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5 - #12, #12, #11, #7, #1
    Utah 3 - #21, #4, #2

    Weeks Ranked in AP
    BYU 53
    Utah 35

    National Championships
    BYU 1 - AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI (Coaches)
    Utah 0 - AP, FWAA, NFF, BCS (Coaches)

    First Place Votes
    BYU - AP (38), Coaches (38)
    Utah - AP (16), Coaches (1)

    Conference Championships
    BYU 6
    Utah 3

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 5
    Utah 2

    Winning Streaks
    BYU 24 - including three road wins over #13 Air Force, #13 UCLA, #24 Air Force
    Utah 14 - including three home wins over #18 OSU, #7 TCU, #21 BYU, and a bowl win over #6 Alabama

    Heisman Top 3
    BYU 4 - Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco
    Utah 0

    Davey O' Brien - Best QB
    BYU 2 - McMahon, Young
    Utah 0

    Sammy Baugh - Best Passer
    BYU 4 - Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco
    Utah 0

    National College Football HOF Players
    BYU 3 - Wilson, McMahon, Young
    Utah 0

    Head-to-Head
    1979-1984 BYU 6-0
    2003-2008 Utah 4-2

    Worst Loss
    BYU 1980 @New Mexico (4-7) 21-25
    Utah 2007 @UNLV (2-10) 0-27

    SOS
    1984 BYU - 82*
    2008 Utah - 80

    *sports-reference

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2019 10:18 a.m.

    azute1

    “So much ‘cred’ that they started ‘84 UNranked [and NO, QB uncertainty had zero to do w/it].”

    So much cred that BYU was “ranked” in the pre-season Top 25 others receiving votes and jumped to #13 the first week after Bosco proved that he was a capable replacement for Steve Young. By week 2 BYU was back up to #8, one place lower than their final 1983 #7 ranking in both polls.

    By comparison, Utah 2008, with no credibility with the voters (unranked since 2004 and an ugly shutout loss to 10-loss UNLV in 2007) struggled the entire regular season to get to #7.

    BYU, with tremendous credibility established with the voters from 1979 to 1983, was ranked #1 in both major polls a couple of weeks before the end of the regular season.

    Utah, with no credibility, has NEVER been ranked #1 in AP or Coaches.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2019 6:10 a.m.

    “but BYU had already built enough credibility with the voters”

    So much ‘cred’ that they started ‘84 UNranked [and NO, QB uncertainty had zero to do w/it].

    byu only vaulted up into the rankings, following barely eeking out a W over 3-7-1 Pitt, because voters wouldn’t yet find out how utterly awful 3-7-1 Pitt was ‘til OU hit town 2 weeks later & obliterated them.

    Before then, it appeared byu actually beat a good Pitt team....How gravely mistaken they were regarding 3-7-1 Pitt....But by then, if the voters wanted to maintain integrity, it was too late to reverse their colossal error in over-ranking byu.

    byu then kept winning against their super weak SOS, while better teams ahead of them lost against a significantly stronger SOS, resulting in their erroneous rise in the rankings.

    This is how the ‘84 travesty went down & it’s never been repeated since, nor did it ever happen before.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:22 p.m.

    @ND74

    Come join is to 2019.

    My bad, too lofty standards for BYU to match Utah's accomplishments in this century.

    So let me ask then, when is BYU going to accomplish what Utah State has already accomplished this decade?

    * 2 Top 25
    * 1 CFP Ranking
    * Beat Utah

    IMO Utah State has a better chance of making a NY6 bowl than BYU beating Utah.

    Will BYU sniff a CFP ranking in this decade?

  • Hwy150 Layton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    Despite the frantic attempts on the hill to rewrite history, these facts are indisputable and will never change:

    In 1984,
    #1 BYU earned the respect and #1 votes of the majority of AP and Coaches voters.

    In 2008,
    Utah fell short of earning the same respect from the voters and finished #2 AP, #4 Coaches.

  • Hwy150 Layton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    utemythology

    one Consensus National Championship > two BCS runner up bowl championships

    That's why Alabama was so disinterested in playing mid-major Utah in the Sugar Bowl.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 13, 2019 2:16 p.m.

    utemythology

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1," said BYU quarterback Robbie Bosco. "We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls."

    That's essentially what happened last season to BYU's rival, Utah, which finished its regular season unbeaten but never rose higher than No. 6 in the BCS standings. The Utes earned a lucrative trip to the Sugar Bowl, but despite stunning SEC runner-up Alabama, had to settle for No. 2 in the final AP poll behind 13-1 Florida, which toppled 12-2 Oklahoma in the BCS Championship Game.

    Source: Stewart Mandel

    Bosco's off the cuff remark 25 years after the fact proves nothing.

    Stewart Mandel was about 8 years old in 1984, hardly a credible source on AP/Coaches ranking criteria.

    Even if BCS rules had been applied to 1984, BYU would have still been ranked #1 at the end of the regular season by the same voters and no team ranked #1 in both major polls has ever been left out of the BCS championship game.

    BYU would have played either #2 Oklahoma or #3 Washington in the BCS championship game.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Feb. 13, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “Is that why people asked Who Did they Beat? Bo Diddly Tech?”

    Proving that SOS was an issue in 1984, but BYU had already built enough credibility with the voters that all five major selecting organizations chose BYU as the Consensus National Champion.

    “No, Utah didn't win a NC because of BCS standards.”

    Nope, Utah didn’t win a NC because Utah had no credibility with the voters.

    In 2004, Utah had only been ranked ONCE since 1995.

    In 2008, Utah had been unranked since 2004, and had been shutout by 10-loss UNLV in 2007.

    BSC rules had absolutely NOTHING to do with #7 Utah’s final regular season ranking in the polls, which effectively eliminated Utah from national championship consideration before bowl season even began.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 13, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    utemythology

    "I don't care if Utah players win awards, what I care about is wins."

    That's because a Utah player has never won anything other than a kicking award.

    It takes a TEAM to win a Heisman Trophy, a Doak Walker Award, or a Davey O'Brien Award.

    While BYU football fans talk about superlatives - national champion, best player

    Utah football fans are forced to live in the world of also rans:

    - bust the BCS and play in an also ran bowl, beating another also ran team that LOST in their conference championship game
    - finish ranked in the CFP, but not even close to being an actual contender for a CFP berth
    - win a division championship, but get swept twice by the team that won the conference championship
    - finally get to the Holiday Bowl, like BYU did a dozen times, but suffer an epic 2nd half meltdown

    The only reason Utah fans whine about the "age" of BYU's accomplishments is because Utah has no accomplishments that even begin to compare.

    Utah's first "major" accomplishment was busting the BCS by beating THREE teams that finished the season with a winning record, none better than 7-5.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    @Bluto

    In 2008 Utah did not win their Beauty Contest, even beating Alabama did not help "U".
    Why? Because, Utah has no Legacy or Brand in Football to speak of.

    BYU had been building their Legacy and Brand for 20 years, by revolutionizing College Football with the Forward pass and producing All-American QB's.

    ----------------

    Is that why people asked Who Did they Beat? Bo Diddly Tech?

    No, Utah didn't win a NC because of BCS standards.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1," said BYU quarterback Robbie Bosco. "We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls."

    That's essentially what happened last season to BYU's rival, Utah, which finished its regular season unbeaten but never rose higher than No. 6 in the BCS standings. The Utes earned a lucrative trip to the Sugar Bowl, but despite stunning SEC runner-up Alabama, had to settle for No. 2 in the final AP poll behind 13-1 Florida, which toppled 12-2 Oklahoma in the BCS Championship Game.

    Source: Stewart Mandel

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2019 12:51 p.m.

    Rockwell - Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:41 a.m.
    utemythology

    "... get back in your hot tub time machine and join us in 2019"

    Why?

    When do U plan to accomplish what BYU has already accomplished?

    ---------------

    I don't care if Utah players win awards, what I care about is wins.

    When are you going to accomplish what Utah has already accomplished this century?

    * CFP Rankings:
    Utah 19
    Utah State 1
    BYU 0

    * BCS Wins:
    Utah 2
    BYU 0

    Spending all your time in your hot tub time machine won't change the fact that BYU is 3rd in State today.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    @Bluto - Sandy, UT

    Get back to us when Utah Football can do that or display 17 National Award winners.

    -----------------

    Get back to us when your hot tub time machine brings you back to 2019.

  • Lester L. Wester Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    everything is awesome: "It’s hilarious how much angst is generated on the hill by one little article about BYU recruiting.."

    Where in any of the posts by Ute fans do you read "angst"? Most of the posts are responses to misinformed statements or inflated accomplishments. The team going for nine in a row and a pre-season pick to win their P-5 division hardly has any "angst" to be concerned about. However, not having any P-5 conference in the nation interested in your school can be angst creating.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    Wild Ute

    "Utah won the National Championship in 2008 awarded by the NCAA"

    Really?

    Then why isn't Utah mentioned anywhere on the official NCAA College Football National Champions website?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:39 a.m.

    Wild Ute

    "Blue n Gold respectfully disagree with your comments. BYU ran a gimmick offense in the 80s and may have been voted in every poll good for BYU. "

    LOL!

    BYU's "gimmick offense" introduced the modern passing game to college football, variations of which have been used by every college football program since.

    Coaches from across the country used to visit BYU's spring practices to learn BYU's passing attack from the master.

    #1 Miami visited BYU in 1990 and the Miami football commentators were astounded by how easily BYU's much slower, much less athletic receivers got open versus the speedy Miami defenders.

    Jim McMahon broke SEVENTY NCAA records with BYU's passing game.

    BYU's "gimmick offense" changed the face of college football.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:36 a.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs,

    I hear ya man. That 2008 Utah football paper natty is a joke! Most Utes don't boast of 2004 or 2008 in football, or basketball under Rick Majerus. It is old news. I do like the faithful bringing up 1984, James Taft Fredette, the "Kalani effect" and Doak awards..........hilarious indeed bro! Cheers, M.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    WildUte:

    "... the NCAA awarded and acknowledged Utah's season in 2008 and awarded a national championship."

    The NCAA doesn't even mention Utah on its main "College football championship history" web page.

    College football national champions from 1869 to 2017.

    Year | Champion | Selecting Organization
    2008 | Florida | BCS
    2004 | USC | BCS
    2003 | LSU, USC | BCS, AP, FWAA
    1985 | Okla | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 | BYU | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 | Miami | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    At best, Utah might be mentioned in some footnote listing dozens of other teams that finished first in some minor poll.

    Notice that the NCAA did acknowledge USC's 2003 AP and FWAA national championships, even though the Trojans didn't play in the BCS championship game.

    Notice also that the exact same major selectors that chose Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985 as National Champions, also chose BYU 1984 as THE National Champion.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    Utes-PAC12

    "The bottom line is that BYU has never been, is, or ever will be Utah's football rival. We our instate rivals with Utah State ONLY, always have been and longtime rivals historically with Colorado."

    Despite your denials, Utah's actions scream otherwise.

    - BYU has been Utah's rival in football since the first game was played in 1922 (per BYU), in 1896 (per Utah)

    - Utah fans spam Utah's overall record and current winning streak over BYU incessantly - What other team do U do that for?

    - Utah bought out their last scheduled game in Logan in 2015 and has no plans to play in Logan ever again

    - Typical of Utah, which stopped playing Utah State after losing their very first football game in Logan in 1892 and didn't play the Aggies again until 1900

    - In the mean time, Utah played BY Academy FIVE times - 1896 (2), 1897 (2), 1898 (1) - not including a spring scrimmage, which the Utes decided to "count" to pad their record

    - Utah dropped Colorado from their schedule when Utah and Colorado joined separate conferences in 1962 and the only reason Colorado is back on Utah's schedule is because the PAC 12 schedules the Buffs and Utes every year.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    Blue n Gold respectfully disagree with your comments. BYU ran a gimmick offense in the 80s and may have been voted in every poll good for BYU. But it ended in the 80s when everyone started defending the pass. Now Utah is in the Pac12 and BYU is independent. Going to the U no one cared about the BYU game not even their fans (BYU). BYU returned their allotted tickets and the U raffeled them off to us students.
    Utah won the National Championship in 2008 awarded by the NCAA they are the intety that matters not the major polls. So I hope you can catch up and join a winner.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:59 a.m.

    @ Bluto,

    Please continue savoring BYU's "gift" natty in 1984. You deserve that happiness my friend. We Utes will continue to savor watching important PAC12 games, our conference indeed.........it really is fun, compelling and meaningful. You would love to see your team in the greatest collegiate conference on this planet like we Utes live for and relish in daily........alas.....

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    WildUte:
    "Will the NCAA awarded and acknowledged Utah's season in 2008 and awarded a national championship. They also have it listed on the record books of the NCAA. The banners are hanging at Rice Eccles Stadium."

    Yes, U and UCF should have a parade together as well...then BOTH of you can become the laughing stock of CFB. If I were a U fan there's no way I'd brag or gloat about a certificate some NCAA nerd wanted to hand me 10 years later. Have some pride.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:42 a.m.

    Ute in Canada

    "Sir, what happened in 1984 is the SOLE REASON why college football changed"

    Nope, NOTHING happened until AFTER back-to-back split national championships

    - 1990 Colorado and Georgia Tech
    - 1991 Washington and Miami

    The Bowl Coalition was formed through an agreement among Division I-A college football bowl games and conferences for the purpose of forcing a national championship game between the top two teams and to provide quality bowl game matchups for the champions of its member conferences. It was established for the 1992 season after there were co-national champions for both the 1990 and 1991.

    The Bowl Alliance was an agreement among college football bowl games (specifically the Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls) for the purpose of trying to match the top two teams in a national championship bowl game and to provide quality bowl game matchups for the champions of its member conferences. The agreement was in place for the 1995, 1996, and 1997 seasons and replaced the Bowl Coalition.

    Despite the false claims of BYU haters, the creation of the Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance and BCS had nothing to do with BYU's 1984 Consensus National Championship.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    @Wild Ute

    Oh get serious now.

    That national poll championship comes regards of the Jeff Anderson/Chris Hester computer rankings.

    Again, nobody and I mean nobody seriously considers this an authentic National Championship.

    It's two guys with a computer poll.

    This is as silly as when Utah claimed to be co-champs of the South, year before last.
    If "U" had been Champs, then "U" would have played in the Championship game.

    If Utah had been Number One in 2008, then they would have played in the BCS Championship Game !

    But, they didn't now, did they?
    No, that game had Ohio State beating LSU for the Championship...
    Once again, your desperation for relevance is embarrassing.

    I suppose Arizona State can also hold up their 1975 Sporting News National Championship, voted on by one guy, as well..

    What has not changed in all this time, is that there are still only 4 recognized Polls to determine College Football's National Championship..

    Until "U" can produce the trophies that BYU has, Waterford Crystal Coaches trophy, AP-Writers, FAA and FWAA trophies, then "U" are just another unremarkable program.

    #The U Mask of False Bravado has evolved in to Sillytime.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:23 a.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    I appreciate your respectful response and rebuttal. The bottom line is that BYU has never been, is, or ever will be Utah's football rival. We our instate rivals with Utah State ONLY, always have been and longtime rivals historically with Colorado. We(Utah) ARE bitter rivals with BYU in men's basketball. That will never die or end in any way. I've been to the great U-Y hoops games back in the day.......unreal stuff my friend. I hope you put things into 21st century perspectives sooner than later kind sir.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    @ Utes Pac-12

    you wrote:
    "Sir, what happened in 1984 is the SOLE REASON why college football changed, in an attempt to declare a "true" national champion. I am confident that you may have realized that fact, maybe?"

    There is no such thing as a "True National Champion" in College Football.

    The Championship is still Mythical and a Beauty Contest, as it always has been and always will be, until 16 teams are invited and every Conference Champ is represented. (See NCAA Basketball Tournament).

    With just 4 teams now, worthy teams are still being left out of the dance....
    As Mr. Pac-12, you should be aware of that fact.

    The difference between Utah and BYU, is that BYU actually won their Beauty Contest in 1984 with every "Official Poll" declaring BYU National Champions.....

    Unanimous!
    No split title..

    In 2008 Utah did not win their Beauty Contest, even beating Alabama did not help "U".
    Why? Because, Utah has no Legacy or Brand in Football to speak of.

    BYU had been building their Legacy and Brand for 20 years, by revolutionizing College Football with the Forward pass and producing All-American QB's.

    35 years later, Ute fans still can't get over it!

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    I know some one here have said Utah is green with envy of not having a National Championship in football.
    Will the NCAA awarded and acknowledged Utah's season in 2008 and awarded a national championship. They also have it listed on the record books of the NCAA. The banners are hanging at Rice Eccles Stadium. Utah has caught up and surpassed BYU in a lot of ways.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    Utes-PAC12

    "BYU's slogan in 2008 was........"Quest For Perfection."......not a natty title, sir."

    How can a season be perfect if it doesn't include a National Championship?

    BYU had already completed back-to-back 11-2, Top 15 seasons, so raising the bar to undefeated National Champion (Quest of Perfection) wasn't such a reach.

    Yes, BYU fell a little short of perfection, but that disappointing ranked, 10+ win season for BYU, was still better than all but 5 seasons in Utah's entire history, sir.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    @ Rockwell,

    I want to thank you for posting, yet again, all of BYU's ancient WAC era awards. I think I'll visit Vernal, Utah to see impressive, real artifacts and fossils.

    How is BYU football doing as of today here in the 21st century?

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:50 a.m.

    I vehemently agree with my buddy Cougsndawgs. He is always "spot on" with his football assessments.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:41 a.m.

    utemythology

    "... get back in your hot tub time machine and join us in 2019"

    Why?

    When do U plan to accomplish what BYU has already accomplished?

    National Championships
    BYU - 1984 (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
    Utah - never

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU - Detmer 1990 (six other Top 3 finishes - Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco(2), Detmer in 1991)
    Utah - has never had a player finish in the Top 3

    Davey O'Brien - Nation's Best QB
    BYU - 4
    Utah - 0

    Sammy Baugh - Nation's Best Passer
    BYU - 7
    Utah - 0

    Doak Walker - Nation's Best RB
    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    Outland - Nation's Best Interior Lineman
    BYU - 2
    Utah - 0

    Maxwell - Nation's Best All-Around Player
    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    National HOF Players
    BYU - 6
    Utah - 0

    AP Top 25
    BYU - 17
    Utah - 8

    Ranked Conference Champions
    BYU - 14
    Utah - 3

    Conference Champions that Played in a Bowl
    BYU - 20
    Utah - 6

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU - 16
    Utah - 7

    9+ Win Seasons
    BYU - 24
    Utah - 13

    BYU accomplished more from 1979 to 1991,
    than Utah has accomplished in their entire football history (1892 to 2018).

    It's no wonder why Utah fans desperately try to pretend that college football history didn't begin until 2004.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    Regardless about all this "flowery" talk from Harmon, Sitake, Y fans and the man on the moon of course, BYU's football program has been decimated since they chose to go "indy." We can all see the recruiting rankings and wins and losses. It "IS" what it is folks.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    BYU does not recruit well because BYU has been much more strict about the honor code and academics than they ever were under Lavell. As long as that is the case, they will continue to get 2 star kids, and I wish I could say that I trust this coaching staff with development, but I don't.

    Utah is only recruiting better because of their P5 affiliation, which if people are being honest had more to do with TV market and cultural fit than anything Utah athletics has/hasn't accomplished. Put San Diego St, Utah St, New Mexico, Boise St in the Pac12 and their recruiting would see a similar bump.

    That is reality, setting aside all the delusions, obsessions, and revisions of fans on both sides. But carry on with the squabbling...it is entertaining if nothing else.

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    BYU's slogan in 2008 was........"Quest For Perfection."......not a natty title, sir. What football team did play a perfect season that year and beat Alabama in a real bowl game, not the potato bowl?

    Sir, what happened in 1984 is the SOLE REASON why college football changed, in an attempt to declare a "true" national champion. I am confident that you may have realized that fact, maybe?

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    @London Josh
    In an athletic world where standards are going out of the window, it is good to have God and the Famous (or infamous to some) Honor Code. Soldiers have weaknesses but they pray in battle; I've witnessed it.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Utemythology

    “Again, get back in your hot tub time machine and join us in 2019.”

    Unfortunately for U, there’s no period in time that your hot tub time machine can take U, that even comes close to matching BYU 1979 to 1990.

    Your envy is so cute to watch.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    utemythology

    “Yet you Quested for what Utah did twice, we never printed a single t-shirt for the joke you call a NC.”

    Nope!

    BYU’s 2008 quest (goal) was to win a 2nd National Championship.

    Since Utah has NEVER won a National Championship, Utah has NEVER had a matching quest, let alone succeeded in achieving it.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:04 a.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “The rivalry is BYU's super bowl. They leave it all out on the field. And have made games closer than they aught to be.”

    The rivalry is also Utah’s super bowl. Whittingham drills into his players from day one the importance of beating BYU.

    There’s not a team on the planet that Utah fans love beating and hate losing to more than BYU.

    A loss to USC or Washington is forgotten the next week. A loss to BYU rankles U for years.

    Utah fans are the 2nd most rival obsessed fans in the country and you’re continued obsession with all things BYU and your constant spamming of your current win streak versus BYU is proof of that.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    Uteology wrote:

    "Yet you Quested for what Utah did twice, we never printed a single t-shirt for the joke you call a NC."

    Why would you print T-shirts?
    Utah has "Zero National Championships" in Football.

    One man polls from things such as the Sporting News, Elmo's Analytics and others, Do Not Count!

    There are only 4 "Officially Sanctioned NCAA Polls" to determine the National Champion in College Football.

    -AP
    -Coaches
    -NFF
    -FWAA

    IN 1984, BYU was voted #1 in all Four of them.

    Only Nineteen D-1 Programs have ever been selected Number One in all "Four NCAA Sanctioned Polls" in the same year. BYU is one of those programs and Utah is not and never will be.

    Get back to us when Utah Football can do that or display 17 National Award winners.

    -Heisman Memorial Trophy
    -Outland Trophies
    -Doak Walker Trophy
    -Sammy Baugh Trophies
    -Davey O'Brian Trophies
    -Maxwell Award
    -Hall of Fame Coach
    -Hall of Fame Players BYU (7) Utah (0)
    -Super Bowl and NFL MVP's

    It is so funny to read Ute fans act as if they are a Blue Blood.

    In fact, Utah has only managed to win Three Conference Championships (out of over 100) in 8 years in the Pac-12.

    U=Coat-Tailer

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Feb. 13, 2019 1:06 a.m.

    "How many non-Latter-day Saint athletes want to go to school and endure a Religion Requirement for a Baccalaureate Degree that includes "The Eternal Family", "Foundations of the Restoration", "Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Gospel" and "Teachings and Doctrine of the Book of Mormon"? Especially when all they want is to study accounting, education, science, forestry, etc.? The athletic talent pool available to BYU is very shallow."

    Given that BYU is nearly impossible to get into, and that out of students admitted to both Utah and BYU 88% choose BYU - I'd say it's a good model.

    I'd also point out that as a BYU student I took a Book of Mormon class and nothing else on your list. I'm also not aware of the forestry major at BYU, perhaps I missed it.

    Anyway, it's a very hard school to get into - how can you think that the talent is slim? 2 3-star players are walk-ons at BYU this year.

    Your comment fits the narrative only when BYU has a very specific gap to fill, for example, RBs, it's hard to recruit in general, but given that BYU gets more eyeballs than virtually any G5 program and has a reputation for a great education, BYU is attractive to any serious individual.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:41 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:15 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “Yale has 27 national championships.”

    yawn...

    All won long before the AP poll existed and most won before the first legal forward pass was thrown in 1906.

    Most were retroactively awarded by one person, Parke Davis, who selected Yale(1-0) as 1872 “national champion”.

    Utah was still playing high school teams when Yale won most of it’s “national championships”.

    As far as Utah is concerned, the only national championship history that really matters is BYU has one, and green with envy Utah, does not.

    ------

    Yet you Quested for what Utah did twice, we never printed a single t-shirt for the joke you call a NC.

    Again, get back in your hot tub time machine and join us in 2019.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:17 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:34 p.m.

    It's fun to be a fan and good to support your team. But rivalries are generally close, for whatever reason.

    You can "margin of victory" your way to feeling better about the 8 straight loses but it's been 8 straight. And that only happens if you have better players/team.

    The rivalry is BYU's super bowl. They leave it all out on the field. And have made games closer than they aught to be.

    BYU is generally coming back from being way down. Last yr. Utah showed them how to complete a come back.

    It's honestly got to be hard to even buy your own "4.7" margin of victory speech, knowing that Utah scored 35 in like 17 minutes to come back and win by 8. With QB2 and RB2.

    BYU was held to approx. 100 total yards of offense in the 2nd half. And scored 1 TD to Utah's 5 TDs.

    The longest win streak in the rivalry is 9 games and both teams have done it once each. I think Utah is about to do again.

    Utah holds a 27 game advantage in the rivalry. That seems like a lot.

  • BrianB Greencastle, IN
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:10 p.m.

    I have a dream that one day we will take all of these discussions as equals. Aside from the fact that the U and Y have a long-standing rivalry and play each other once a year, the success or lack of for the other team should be of little consequence.

    There are successful programs that win with lower-star recruits. It relies on excellent coaching and recruiting athletes who fit a scheme. Edwards one with few star recruits because he had a scheme and had players that fit it. It was also a different era before the big money east coast had sucked up all the power.

    I like Sitake. He has had to build a coaching staff virtually from scratch since Bronco took most of his to Virginia. He had a young team. And his teams have taken their lumps. This season will tell a lot.

    Football-first recruits want to see good opponents and exposure. BYU gets better exposure for recruits by playing P5 schools as an independent. Non-P5 conferences have a difficult time getting games televised (witness the WAC and MWC).

    BYU is not the only faith-based university that requires religion classes for graduation. Many parents I know are very interested in a school that is not swimming in alcohol.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 12, 2019 4:59 p.m.

    Now this is interesting...

  • Utes-PAC12 canada, 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:20 p.m.

    @ everything is awesome,

    U can try to disqualify me all you wish to. It makes me giggle dear soul. By the way, BYU had great, nationally ranked jazz bands back then......and they also had football and basketball teams that were fun to watch play as well.

    Oh my, how times have changed dramatically indeed. Cheers!

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 12, 2019 3:15 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “Yale has 27 national championships.”

    yawn...

    All won long before the AP poll existed and most won before the first legal forward pass was thrown in 1906.

    Most were retroactively awarded by one person, Parke Davis, who selected Yale(1-0) as 1872 “national champion”.

    Utah was still playing high school teams when Yale won most of it’s “national championships”.

    As far as Utah is concerned, the only national championship history that really matters is BYU has one, and green with envy Utah, doesn’t.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 12, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    Real Ute

    “Can Sheriff Sitake please state the selling points to BYU and Provo, Utah that identifies to African Americans and non-LDS recruits?”

    A quality education within a faith-based culture.

    Many parents have stated specifically over the years that that is exactly the type of institution that they encouraged their children to attend.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “You actually thought 52% of your roster is from Lone Peak and Provo High that you had to look it up?”

    Nope,

    just illustrating with actual facts how loony most of the claims from the little brothers on the hill are, especially from a so-called “ologist”.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:55 p.m.

    Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:06 a.m.
    “Back in 1980, when BYU offered me a full-ride jazz music sholly, they made EVERY possible concession to me.......I could live in SLC, gas, food, rent $ plus cash.......just to play lead trumpet in BYU's jazz band”

    Do you really expect us to believe that BYU’s jazz band was that desperate for a trumpet player?

    My guess is you’re grossly exaggerating what BYU really offered you, which was nothing more than a standard music scholarship.

    There’s no doubt that the scholarship was gratefully accepted by another equally talented trumpet player and your absence from the band was never even noticed.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:49 p.m.

    Road Runner - Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:01 a.m.
    Utemythology

    re:
    * Utah 36% local roster
    * BYU 52% roster from Utah County

    “Maybe they don’t teach Cartography at BYU”

    Obviously, they are still teaching cold fusion math on the hill.

    BYU 2018 Football Roster
    11% - Utah County
    43% - Utah
    57% - outside Utah

    ---------

    You actually thought 52% of your roster is from Lone Peak and Provo High that you had to look it up?

    LOL

    Thanks for the entertainment, little fella. BYU will have its little Mormon niche, but nothing else. Just like Liberty.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    @Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:17
    “Kids, like I, went to college to explore adulthood.....the fun-good-bad.”

    And yet, here you are 30 years later engaged in juvenile arguments.

    “BYU as a school is not a good education.”

    I attended both Utah and BYU in the 80s, and unless you were in a program not offered at BYU, the education at Utah wasn’t even close.

    BYU works ONLY for LDS.

    “Back in 1980, when BYU offered me a full-ride jazz music sholly... I took just one casual look at the Y curricula, core religion classes, professors there and the "honor code." I never answered BYU and their offer. It was absurd!”

    BYU hasn’t, doesn’t and won’t claim to be all things for all people. How is it you missed that point?

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    It’s hilarious how much angst is generated on the hill by one little article about BYU recruiting.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    @UtahBruin - Eagle Mountain, UT

    "You laugh at BYU, but is it really that funny. This year so far as far as the stars you throw out along with a history.

    4 Stars
    Utah - 1
    BYU - 1

    3 Star
    Utah - 12
    BYU - 9

    2 Star
    Utah - 0
    BYU - 2

    ESPN TOP 300
    Utah - 0
    BYU - 1

    So according to your comments, does this mean now that Utah is slipping. Because this years signing class looks pretty even to me. So it really isn't that funny."
    = = = = =
    I don't know where your star rankings come from but according to Rivals:
    UTAH
    4- star rank = 3
    3- star rank = 15
    2- star rank = 0

    BYU
    4 -star rank = 0
    3 -star rank = 4
    2 -star rank = 2
    Very different than the picture you painted.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    Utemythology

    re:
    * Utah 36% local roster
    * BYU 52% roster from Utah County

    “Maybe they don’t teach Cartography at BYU”

    Obviously, they are still teaching cold fusion math on the hill.

    BYU 2018 Football Roster
    11% - Utah County
    43% - Utah
    57% - outside Utah

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    Don't look now but there is an elephant in the room!

    An article about BYU's recruiting and is there any mention of "independence"?

    Continue on as is....... it's best to continue to ignore it!

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Feb. 12, 2019 10:17 a.m.

    How many non-Latter-day Saint athletes want to go to school and endure a Religion Requirement for a Baccalaureate Degree that includes "The Eternal Family", "Foundations of the Restoration", "Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Gospel" and "Teachings and Doctrine of the Book of Mormon"? Especially when all they want is to study accounting, education, science, forestry, etc.? The athletic talent pool available to BYU is very shallow.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 12, 2019 9:46 a.m.

    Recruiting should be 'more simple' [sic] if reduced to the basics. It would be simpler (the correct comparative) and more effective without the twists and turns.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    I really like KS. He is the best coach that y’all are going too get. Don’t take him for granted. Come down from your high horse and realize that you’re not in the same league as Utah. Coach Edwards never had a schedule like KS has. He is a good coach and a better man. Enjoy your success, even if it’s not what you think it should be.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 9:40 a.m.

    @blue & white

    Kalani said “Academically, you don't have to have A’s, but you can’t have C’s and D’s. That’s kind of the expectation. Getting an A is all right but for some, academics isn’t their thing. But the honor code has no wiggle room and I’m OK with that. Those are the standards of the program and the school and we are going to find the guys who fit it.”

    It’s a great comment on recruiting and BYU’s standards. So the recruiting ranking is what it is. There are a lot of nonsense comments by anti BYU folks that missed the point of the article. It would be interesting to apply the same standards to Utah, Utah State, Clemson, Alabama or any other P5 - G5 schools and where would their rankings be.

    -----------

    Stanford has MUCH tougher academic standards, they don't have a problem recruiting.

    BYU does, because most students, specially African Americans, want to go to a religious school in the middle of nowhere.

  • AggieGradCougarDad SPRINGBORO, OH
    Feb. 12, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    My wish: - 1- Utah Jazz NBA champs. 2-BYU and Utes in FB Championship. 3- BYU, Utes, USU and Weber State all in final four.

    Reality: - 1- Small market Jazz may never reach the finals again in our life time, but can regularly make playoffs. 2- BYU and Utes FB may never reach playoffs in our life time, but can consistently have winning records, play and win bowl games - mostly lower tier. 3- BYU and Utes BB will sometimes play in the big dance and once in a while may have stars aligned (a superstar player or two) and make a run at elite 8 or final four. 4- USU and WSU and any other Utah DI BB school will make the big dance when stars align (win post season league Championship) and may win an NCAA game.

    Long ago is was not unusual to have the only 4 Utah DI BB teams make the 48 team NCAA field - BYU and U from the WAC, USU from the PCAA and WSU from the Big Sky. First week tourney games were regularly held in Logan, Ogden and Provo. Second week tourney games were regularly held in SLC (Only SLC will host games in the future). Those days are gone and not coming back. College FB and BB are Professional Sports/Money now and Utah is small market .

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:49 a.m.

    Uteology:

    “* Utah 36% local roster
    * BYU 52% roster from Utah County”

    Maybe they don’t teach Cartography at byu!

    Apparently Utah doesn’t recruit outside of Utah?!?!

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    If Kalani is going to continue to improve at something he isn’t good at, is like to see him focus on game and clock management. He has cost the Cougars several wins with his deficiencies there.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Sitake is so refreshing to be around and to hear his thoughts. He doesn't hide his emotions. Love that his honors his past mentors and gives credit where it is due.

    Love the coaches that he has surrounded himself with as well. Here's to a great 2019. I predict that Sitake will go down as one of the great ones here at BYU.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:57 a.m.

    @Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA

    Great stats! Proofs in the puddin'! Until they win a PAC 12 championship...it's all talk.

    I spent my first 20 years in "rovia"!

  • blue & white , 00
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    Kalani said “Academically, you don't have to have A’s, but you can’t have C’s and D’s. That’s kind of the expectation. Getting an A is all right but for some, academics isn’t their thing. But the honor code has no wiggle room and I’m OK with that. Those are the standards of the program and the school and we are going to find the guys who fit it.”

    It’s a great comment on recruiting and BYU’s standards. So the recruiting ranking is what it is. There are a lot of nonsense comments by anti BYU folks that missed the point of the article. It would be interesting to apply the same standards to Utah, Utah State, Clemson, Alabama or any other P5 - G5 schools and where would their rankings be. I think lower then where they are in the recruiting rankings. Personally I think the Y should allow more academic wiggle room for athletes and that would boost recruiting rankings and perhaps more wins. After all that is what every BYU fan and team wants, WINS. Go Cougs!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 7:03 a.m.

    Elkhorn - Loveland, CO
    Feb. 11, 2019 8:19 p.m.
    BSR

    “you guys celebrate margin of losses enough for the both of us.”

    BYU’s margin of losses “celebrations” pale in comparison to Utah’s celebrations for finishing 2nd.

    ------

    Our undefeated celebrations in January pale in comparison to BYU's undefeated celebrations in Week 1.

    PROVO — People danced in the streets.
    They hugged perfect strangers.
    They lit off fireworks.
    And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated...BYU fans formed impromptu gatherings at places like LaVell Edwards Stadium, the Marriott Center, and the Wilkinson Center, among others, and several hundred of them showed up at the Provo Municipal Airport to welcome home the [1-0] team when it landed at 1:45 in the morning.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 6:50 a.m.

    Elkhorn - Loveland, CO
    Feb. 11, 2019 8:13 p.m.
    Chris B

    “9 years in a row Utah's had a higher average star recruiting class than BYU”

    Yawn

    Get back to us when you couple that with 9 straight conference championships, 5 Top 12 finishes, and a national championship.

    --------

    YAWN!

    Yale has 27 national championships.

    BYU has a Rivals class ranking of #99.

    Get back in your hot tub time machine and join us in this century.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 6:34 a.m.

    Quite obviously,

    if Utah can win 3 of 8 versus USC,

    despite the huge talent gap,

    Utah winning 8 of 8 versus BYU,

    is simply a fluke.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2019 5:24 a.m.

    Tell us Spaceneedle...how is it that Utah’s recruiting pool won’t “grow outside of Utah”? That makes absolutely NO sense! You obviously haven’t noticed, but they already have been, for many, many years. How do you explain all these guys from, Texas, California, Florida etc?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2019 12:03 a.m.

    BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:29 p.m.
    Thanks for the entertainment, fellas. Utah will have its little niche here in Utah, but no fans anywhere else. Just like OSU or WSU or Cal or ASU or UA.

    BYU has a nationwide fan base, and nationwide exposure. At some point, BYU's recruiting pool will be bigger than many schools. Currently BYU doesn't do much in SEC and Big12 country. Neither does Utah. But Utah's pool will never grow outside of Utah, while BYU's pool will.

    I like BYU's chances in the long run.

    ------

    * Utah 36% local roster
    * BYU 52% roster from Utah County

    Utah is worldwide brand, we just landed a Brit and an Aussie.

  • Chiefs , 00
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:55 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    “It's no wonder cougar fans are hovering over the comment section of Utah's signing class.”

    Naval criticizes Cougar fans for commenting on Utah’s signing class — while 21 of 43 comments on BYU’s signing class are from Ute fans!! Little brother’s obsession with BYU is comical! Wonder how many Utes commented on the Buff’s signing class?!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:52 p.m.

    SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:19 p.m.
    Bluefan "glory days of Lavell Edwards will never be matched, due to the stricter honor code and academic standard, and the current climate of the NCAA football world."
    It is much simpler than that. BYU's schedule is too difficult for the players they recruit.

    "not have unrealistic expectations"
    You expect Coach Sitake to have the success of Coach Edwards, while conveniently forgetting that BYU's glory came against a WAC schedule. Lavell never ever faced what Kilani faces.

    ------

    I agree Sitake plays a MUCH tougher schedule than Edwards.

    But Edwards was around 38% vs P5, Bronco 42%, Sitake 31%.

    Clearly talent and coaching is trending down after Bronco left.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:43 p.m.

    "Now do the same for BYU.
    Are you closer to Utah or Oregon State?
    Despite the lack of talent, Utah is a P12 contender.
    BYU is 3rd in State."

    Who da flook cares?

    Does BYU need to be 1st in the state and why are we comparing to Oregon State and the state at the same time?

    I think Oregon State gets thrown in there because between Utah and Oregon State and BYU, BYU is indeed 3rd, but not if you count USU.

    BYU needs to fill in the gaps of talent that they have and recruit a different type of player than the other schools.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:45 p.m.

    @blue coog

    Luckily for U, the Trojans and Bruins have had terrible coaching recently, but that won't always be the case.

    As soon as those two start playing up to their recruiting level, Utah's chances of winning another division title will be dead.

    --------

    USC yes , UCLA no.

    Is that some sort of diss on Utah?

    If USC becomes a national title contender no one else has a chance either. Just like Alabama and SEC West.

    Now tell us, when is BYU planning on getting by Utah State when clearly they have better coaching and are trending up.

  • Rusty Filter ,
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:31 p.m.

    Well for utah having such better recruiting classes you would think that they would blow BYU out of the water but we all know that doesn’t happen. The only difference between utah and BYU is that utah got a gift from a failing conference back in 2000 whatever. We all know that the only reason that BYU is not in a major conference is because of religious discrimination.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 11:04 p.m.

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:26 p.m.
    Utemythology

    "Utah's PAC-12 Class Rankings per Rivals: 5, 6, 7, 7, 6

    Average: 6.2

    Last time I checked #6 is coming close to #5 class rankings."

    Nope, it's a solid #6, but it's closer to #7 than to #5.

    ---------

    Yawn!

    So what? Utah is a P12 title contender.

    BYU is closer to 4th in State than 2nd.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 10:55 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:06 p.m.
    Average Recruiting Finishes Last 5 Years (per 247 Sports)
    #1 USC - 8.0
    #2 Ore - 16.4
    #3 UCLA - 21.6
    #4 Wash - 21.8
    #5 Stan - 23.0
    #6 ASU - 29.2
    #7 Utah - 38.2
    #8 Cal - 44.2
    #9 Ariz - 50.2
    #10 WSU - 50.6
    #11 Col - 54.2
    #12 OSU - 61.4

    Despite the misleading spin by some Ute apologists,
    #7 Utah 38.2 was MUCH, MUCH closer to
    #8 Cal 44.2, than to
    #5 Stan 23.0.

    -------

    Now do the same for BYU.

    Are you closer to Utah or Oregon State?

    Despite the lack of talent, Utah is a P12 contender.

    BYU is 3rd in State.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:36 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    “You expect Coach Sitake to have the success of Coach Edwards, while conveniently forgetting that BYU's glory came against a WAC schedule.”

    The WAC and MWC were basically the same conference.

    Unfortunately for U,

    Utah’s heyday never came close to matching BYU’s heyday.

    Ironically, Utah’s greatest in basketball occurred in the WAC.

    It’s funny how U never stress that when talking about Majerus’s heyday.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:19 p.m.

    Bluefan "glory days of Lavell Edwards will never be matched, due to the stricter honor code and academic standard, and the current climate of the NCAA football world."
    It is much simpler than that. BYU's schedule is too difficult for the players they recruit.

    "not have unrealistic expectations"
    You expect Coach Sitake to have the success of Coach Edwards, while conveniently forgetting that BYU's glory came against a WAC schedule. Lavell never ever faced what Kilani faces.

    BlueHusky "BYU has a nationwide fan base, and nationwide exposure. At some point, BYU's recruiting pool will be bigger than many schools."
    I thought they had this nationwide fan base when they announced independence. The recruiting pool hasn't gotten any bigger in eight years. Will they experience a "bigger recruiting that many schools" in the next... decade?

  • KLL Coug Visalia, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:03 p.m.

    One thing missing from the analysis is incoming GPA requirements of each school. The city college student athletes must meet the minimum NCAA requirement. The Y requires something much higher.

    Nothing wrong with the minimum, the student athlete met the schools expectations and they should be able to graduate. This is a good thing. The Y just has higher expectations for their student athletes. Different schools, different roles. Nothing wrong with the roles each school has chosen. Wish all of the D1 schools in Utah the very best.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Feb. 11, 2019 8:19 p.m.

    BSR

    “you guys celebrate margin of losses enough for the both of us.”

    BYU’s margin of losses “celebrations” pale in comparison to Utah’s celebrations for finishing 2nd.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Feb. 11, 2019 8:13 p.m.

    Chris B

    “9 years in a row Utah's had a higher average star recruiting class than BYU”

    Yawn

    Get back to us when you couple that with 9 straight conference championships, 5 Top 12 finishes, and a national championship.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 7:41 p.m.

    @rockwell

    "If Utah were to play Clemson and hang within 5 points of the Tigers, Utah-SLC fans would be celebrating like they’d won the lottery."

    Nah, you guys celebrate margin of losses enough for the both of us. For example, your sentence right before the one I just quoted.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 7:11 p.m.

    Blue Space Needle - Saratoga Springs, UT

    BYU THINKS it has a nationwide fan base, and nationwide exposure. At some point, (2099) BYU's recruiting pool will be bigger than many schools. But will still continue to be a 2 to Zero star bonanza. Currently BYU doesn't do much, if anything, in beating good P5 teams or finishing ranked. Neither does Utah, according to us coug fans. But Utah's pool will never grow outside of Utah, while BYU's pool will. Even though I have nothing to back that up!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:48 p.m.

    BSR

    “BYU competing with Utah-SLC is beyond your reach based on your current state of recruiting.”

    An average point spread of 4.7
    in 7 of the last 8
    proves otherwise.

    Let’s be honest:

    If Utah were to play Clemson and hang within 5 points of the Tigers, Utah-SLC fans would be celebrating like they’d won the lottery.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:29 p.m.

    Thanks for the entertainment, fellas. Utah will have its little niche here in Utah, but no fans anywhere else. Just like OSU or WSU or Cal or ASU or UA.

    BYU has a nationwide fan base, and nationwide exposure. At some point, BYU's recruiting pool will be bigger than many schools. Currently BYU doesn't do much in SEC and Big12 country. Neither does Utah. But Utah's pool will never grow outside of Utah, while BYU's pool will.

    I like BYU's chances in the long run.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:13 p.m.

    @rockwell

    "So any talk of Utah ever getting a CFP invite is nothing but a Ute fan pipe dream."

    When did I ever mention Utah getting into the CFP? Why are you attributing things to me I've never said?

    For the record, I don't think Utah will ever get to the CFP under the current setup (i.e. until there's expansion). With this setup, I think our ceiling is winning the Rose Bowl. But you know what? That's a pretty good ceiling and I am more than OK with that being our ceiling. Competing with Clemson is beyond our reach based on our current state of recruiting. I think that's a fair statement.

    Now let's take your logic and apply it to BYU-P: We can also say that BYU-P competing with Utah is beyond your reach based on your current state of recruiting. That's a fair statement as well, yes?

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    Average Recruiting Finishes Last 5 Years (per 247 Sports)
    #1 USC - 8.0
    #2 Ore - 16.4
    #3 UCLA - 21.6
    #4 Wash - 21.8
    #5 Stan - 23.0
    #6 ASU - 29.2
    #7 Utah - 38.2
    #8 Cal - 44.2
    #9 Ariz - 50.2
    #10 WSU - 50.6
    #11 Col - 54.2
    #12 OSU - 61.4

    Despite the misleading spin by some Ute apologists,
    #7 Utah 38.2 was MUCH, MUCH closer to
    #8 Cal 44.2, than to
    #5 Stan 23.0.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:32 p.m.

    @london_josh
    "BYU trying to compete with the P5s is a mistake"

    Nobody but you byu fans thinks byu is competing with P5s

    @hi-ya
    "Jimmy Mac McMahon"

    That was 40...yep 40 years ago. It is a different time and the Honr Code is paramount.
    Give it a rest.

    @skywalker
    "7 of 8 razor thin wins" - how many ways can byu lose to Utah? We will see another in August.

    @THECOUG
    "Good player development, finding underecruited talent, and scheme make up for lack of talent. Utah is a great example of this, and BYU has done the same thing."

    I am sorry, I don't see byu doing this.

    @Bluefan
    "SEC and ACC conferences will dominate for the foreseeable future"

    ACC?, hardly...they have 1 team

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:34 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    "Utah ranked #43 recruiting class wise.
    BYU #78."

    Yet, Utah has only beaten BYU in 7 of the last 8 games by an average of 4.7 points.

    Either BYU is competing way above its star recruiting weight, or Utah is competing way below its star recruiting weight.

    Unfortunately for U, even that slight margin will evaporate this year.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:26 p.m.

    Utemythology

    "Utah's PAC-12 Class Rankings per Rivals: 5, 6, 7, 7, 6

    Average: 6.2

    Last time I checked #6 is coming close to #5 class rankings."

    Nope, it's a solid #6, but it's closer to #7 than to #5.

    In other words, Utah consistently finishes behind USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon and Washington.

    Luckily for U, the Trojans and Bruins have had terrible coaching recently, but that won't always be the case.

    As soon as those two start playing up to their recruiting level, Utah's chances of winning another division title will be dead.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    @UtahBruin - Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:08 p.m.

    Simple correction to your post:

    Utah had 4, 4* recruits this cycle (not 1 like you suggested), according to Scout/247Sports.
    BYU did have the 1, and he's going on a mission right away.

    Utah ranked #43 recruiting class wise.
    BYU #78.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:58 p.m.

    Just accept reality cougs. At best, you’ll get an 8 win season with Sitake. With MAYBE a 9 if you’re really lucky. Only if you have enough built in cupcakes on the back end of your schedule. The whY can’t attract enough top recruits or top coaches. And even if those coaches have a ‘2018 USU year’, they’ll go to greener pastures.

    Independence was an iceberg for byu athletics, especially football. Holmoe rammed that thing as hard as he could, and the program has been sinking ever since. But most of the posters on here are in “la,la land” pretending things are actually trending upward!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:55 p.m.

    BSR

    “Yes, recruiting matters. It's what's keeping Utah from competing with Clemson.”

    And always will.

    Utah will never, ever, not in a million years, finish a 4-year recruiting cycle with an average star recruiting rating higher than Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Miami, Clemson, Florida St, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Ohio St, Michigan, Wisconsin, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Oregon, or Washington.

    So any talk of Utah ever getting a CFP invite is nothing but a Ute fan pipe dream.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:53 p.m.

    Y's little brother - Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:36 p.m.
    “Over last 5 years, Utah is #25 program in the nation. Overall, Top 5 in the PAC-12”

    So you openly admit that average star ratings don’t guarantee anything, because Utah hasn’t even come close to having the Top 5 average recruiting class during the last 5 years.

    Thanks for playing.

    ---------------

    What are you talking about?

    Utah's PAC-12 Class Rankings per Rivals: 5, 6, 7, 7, 6

    Average: 6.2

    Last time I checked #6 is coming close to #5 class rankings.

    You welcome!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 4:36 p.m.

    “Over last 5 years, Utah is #25 program in the nation. Overall, Top 5 in the PAC-12”

    So you openly admit that average star ratings don’t guarantee anything, because Utah hasn’t even come close to having the Top 5 average recruiting class during the last 5 years.

    Thanks for playing.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:56 p.m.

    @little brother

    "Ask a Ute if star recruiting power is critical to Utah’s success in the PAC 12, and you’ll get a lot of hemming and hawing and wishy-washy excuse making."

    No you won't. Every Utah fan I've seen post will tell you that we don't recruit as well as the rest of the conference and it's holding us back to some degree. We're doing well but we'd be doing better if we recruited like our conference peers. Yes, recruiting matters. It's what's keeping Utah from competing with Clemson. And it's what's keeping BYU-P from competing with Utah.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:49 p.m.

    @Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:26 p.m.
    “Every single year since Utah joined the prestigious p5, Utah has had a higher average star recruiting class than byu

    And every year byu has lost to Utah since that happened. Coincidence?

    Nope!”

    Welcome back Chris. The off season always was your sweet spot.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    Y's little brother - Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:31 p.m.
    Ask a Ute if star recruiting power is critical to Utah’s recent success versus BYU, and you’ll get an emphatic YES!

    Ask a Ute if star recruiting power is critical to Utah’s success in the PAC 12, and you’ll get a lot of hemming and hawing and wishy-washy excuse making.

    -------

    Over last 5 years, Utah is #25 program in the nation. Overall, Top 5 in the PAC-12.

    Source: AP and Sagarin

    Next year Utah is picked as a P12 title contender.

    Talent + Coaching = Success

    BYU lacks both, which is why you are 3rd in State and picked 3rd again in 2019.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:44 p.m.

    backpacn

    No I dont argue it at all. We've been in the bottom half. We're also one of the best teams in the conference. Unlike byu, we've proven it. We regularly beat teams like USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, ASU.

    you on the other hand - never beat your big brother, average about 1 good win a year, sometimes beat utah state, and often lose to nobodies like Northern Illinois, Umass...

    Our coach has proven he's good enough to overcome much of the talent deficit compared to the other pac12 teams

    Your coach - has not. Nor did Roscoe

  • Bluefan AMERICAN CANYON, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:42 p.m.

    For those of us who experienced the glory days of Lavell Edwards, its pretty hard to come to terms with the reality that what he accomplished will likely never be matched. That is due in part to the stricter enforcement of the honor code and the higher academic standard. But the larger part is the current climate of the NCAA football world. There are really only 8-12 teams with a real chance of making a run at the national championship. Notre Dame will occasionally make a run but the SEC and ACC conferences will dominate for the foreseeable future. We'll probably all enjoy our Utah teams more if we just accept where we lie in the college football pecking order and not have unrealistic expectations as fans.

  • THECOUG Payson, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    Funny to see these Ute fans talk so much about bad recruiting being a doomsday scenario. Sky walker summed it up best- recruiting is not the end all. Good player development, finding underecruited talent, and scheme make up for lack of talent. Utah is a great example of this, and BYU has done the same thing.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:37 p.m.

    Sitake has always been labeled an excellent recruiter.

    ------

    I think that's a myth, at least according to:

    Rivals Class Rankings
    2016 #48
    2017 #62
    2018 #94
    2019 #99

    OUCH!

    Notice a trend? BYU is in deep trouble, 3rd place finish in the State for the foreseeable future.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    Ask a Ute if star recruiting power is critical to Utah’s recent success versus BYU, and you’ll get an emphatic YES!

    Ask a Ute if star recruiting power is critical to Utah’s success in the PAC 12, and you’ll get a lot of hemming and hawing and wishy-washy excuse making.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:25 p.m.

    @kaladin

    I love it that you own it. You know that the BYU schools are different and you're OK with it. Unlike many of the BYU-P fans who want their school to be different from others when it suits them but the same as others at other times that suit them.

    Your consistency in your convictions is a credit to you. Mad respect to you.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:18 p.m.

    @Dnquixote

    That was the most accurate post on BYU-P football I've ever seen. Bravo!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    Chris B

    How does Utah’s year to year average star rating compare to all of the other PAC 12 teams since 2011?

    Or are you too embarrassed to post it?

    Here’s a clue... it’s in the bottom half of the conference.

    Prove me wrong...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    @utah bruin

    Nice selective use of statistics there. You accounted for all 13 players given scholarships by Utah, all of whom are 4-star and 3-star. And you accounted for 13 BYU-P scholarship recipients, but that is not their entire class!

    And where are the rest of the BYU-P scholarship recipients? Oh, that's right...they all got 1 star or 0 stars, and you purposely left those categories out of your post.

    Spin all you want... I'll be here fact checking you all the way. But I wish I didn't have to.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    “So according to your comments, does this mean now that Utah is slipping. Because this years signing class looks pretty even to me. So it really isn't that funny.”

    p.s. State the all-important respective avg star ratings/each site.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    “So according to your comments, does this mean now that Utah is slipping. Because this years signing class looks pretty even to me. So it really isn't that funny.”

    ESPN recruiting out west is always a complete joke.

    Do this identical comparison using 247Sports Composite or even Rivals....Oh, & state the respective overall rankings, as well....The disparity will be palpable to all.

    Go Utes!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    Chrispy

    “Every single year since Utah joined the prestigious p5, Utah has had a higher average star recruiting class than BYU

    And every year BYU has lost to Utah since that happened. Coincidence?”

    YES!

    Considering every single year since Utah joined the PAC 12, USC has had a higher average star recruiting class than Utah,

    yet, USC is only 5-3 versus Utah.

    The truth is, Utah is simply fortunate to have had 7 of 8 razor thin wins over BYU.

    If average star ratings were really THE determining factor,

    then Utah would NEVER beat USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon or Washington.

    Over any given 4-year period of recruiting classes since Utah joined the PAC 12, the Utes have NEVER had an average star rating higher than any of those teams.

    Take your time; you’ll figure it out.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Feb. 11, 2019 3:03 p.m.

    BYU is different. It's special. This doesn't mean other schools aren't good, or even better in some ways. BYU is just different. It needs to be different. It is a place of peculiar people to get a great education along with some peculiar education. It is fantastic for us peculiar people. It is not fantastic for others. Times have changed, and BYU is becoming more peculiar. I would rather lose with the right group than win with exceptions to that peculiarity. Many non-LDS players fit in at this peculiar place. Many others do not, including many LDS kids. That's okay. Yes, it is less likely now that BYU will ever get into a P5 conference. I'd rather BYU hold to its ideals than change to make that leap. Win or lose, I will always cheer on my cougs. Stay different BYU.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:28 p.m.

    utahbruin

    9 years in a row Utah's had a higher average star recruiting class than byu. LOL

    Check back when byu beats utah in average star rating 9 years in a row. Or even 5. Or 1 for that matter. It likely wont ever happen again. How do I know this? Well, like I pointed out earlier, byu's average star class is worse than 100% of P5's, even the most horrible P5 programs.

    LOL

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:08 p.m.

    @ChrisB

    You laugh at BYU, but is it really that funny. This year so far as far as the stars you throw out along with a history.

    4 Stars
    Utah - 1
    BYU - 1

    3 Star
    Utah - 12
    BYU - 9

    2 Star
    Utah - 0
    BYU - 2

    ESPN TOP 300
    Utah - 0
    BYU - 1

    So according to your comments, does this mean now that Utah is slipping. Because this years signing class looks pretty even to me. So it really isn't that funny.

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    I am a UCLA guy. Have been my whole life. But here in Utah, I do tend to root for Cougs. Maybe has to do with my church affiliation, I don't know, but probably. But I have to say, I absolutely love what Sitake brings to the table. I love his thoughts about recruiting. I love that he puts what is best for the athlete over doing everything he can to get the high caliber athlete. He gets what he can, what fits his philosophies and the school. I like that and I respect that. I realize they are not the Cougs of old, and haven't been for a while. I realize that wins have been difficult over the years, at times. But I love the schedule they are playing. I love that they pull out a win here and there against those teams. A previous poster ask Why? Why are thy missing out on 4 and 5 star LDS athletes. Well, kids want to play for schools that are in the bigger conferences, they want the exposure, and I don't blame them. BYU in my opinion will probably never be a constant contender in the upper levels of college football. I don't think many schools will ever be. But, most love to get behind them, and love to support a coach like Sitake.

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    I don't envy KS. He is making good money and seems like a really great guy. But he is asked to do the impossible. BYU, for better or worse has fans with very high expectations, but often a very low understanding of the NCAA FB landscape.
    In the current climate (which won't be changing any time soon) BYU simply can't compete for top recruits. They get LDS kids who dream of playing at BYU. They have talented kids, but not enough of them.
    The proof is in the pudding. You can't argue with results. (You can, but nobody will listen).
    One awesome QB, and 2-3 star players isn't enough to compete at a P5 level, week in and week out.
    BYU relies HEAVILY on a soft back half schedule to maintain the appearance of success. The reality is, if they played 9 P5 teams a year, they would rarely get to .500.

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    Ok we get it Sitaki. You are going to use the "don't fit" carrot to fall back on for not coming up with major 4 and 5 star recruits. But lets think about this for a moment. BYU recruited probably the best QB that BYU has ever brought into the system, one who was a winner, one who broke all the records at the time, one who won bowl games after bowl games, one who won us the "miracle" holiday bowl, one who played in the NFL, one who won a super bowl... none other than Jimmy Mac McMahon. And you are going to tell me "he" fit into the system? Everyone knows anything about him knows he was a maverick. Maybe a little flexibility is needed here. Lavell was great at bringing in talent which maybe had problems but had talent and he had the talent along with his Coaches (thats the key here) to bring the best out of them. Now I agree to a point the "fit" analysis, but question is how long is BYU going to allow for sub par seasons... where maybe its not the players fault but the coaches fault. Too many good guys have left the programs. Why? And too many 4 and 5 stars LDS players have ended up going to other schools. Why? BYU, as they are great fits, should get everyone of them.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    byu's recruiting class has a worse average star rating than 100% of P5 teams

    LOL

    Yes, even horrible programs like Vanderbilt, Oregon State, Kansas State, Rutgers....all had higher average star classes this year(and almost every other single year as well)

    In fact, even if you take a 5 year average, byu had a lower average star rating than every single P5 as well. LOL So no, its no fluke

    byu has no future in college football, and recruits know it

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    Every single year since Utah joined the prestigious p5, Utah has had a higher average star recruiting class than byu

    And every year byu has lost to Utah since that happened. Coincidence?

    Nope!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Feb. 11, 2019 12:49 p.m.

    BYU trying to compete with the P5s is a mistake - BYU needs to be BYU and get BYU guys out to BYU.

    There are several good guys that come to BYU because it's BYU, there are gaps to fill and the recruiters need to work harder to fill those gaps, but our recruits are never going to be a "star ranking" bonanza and with proper coaching and player utilization, that's okay!