Bottom line is USU had the best team on the field last year. Utah still
can't recruit anyone who can actually catch a ball, and whenever I hear
about BYU trying to find a suitable RB I think of how they completely dropped
the ball and let Josh Davis go to Weber State. Stars mean nothing, zero, and
anyone who trumpets how great their schools recruiting class was is living a
pipe dream with nothing else to cheer for.
And Utah State will continue to be the best team in Utah. So much for the
recruiting rankings. Go Aggies!
"NevadaCoug - Overton, NVFeb. 7, 2019 1:08 p.m.BYU gets a lot of
recruits that are committed to BYU early on. Thus, other schools tend not to
work too much to pursue them, which means they don't show up too highly on
these recruit rankings. This happens with other schools, too, but the system is
flawed. If a guy grows up always wanting to play for Alabama, then the ranking
services say, "Alabama offered him, he must be really good!" even though
other schools may or may not pursue him heavily."I have to agree
with you on this. I look at Sione Vaki that Utah landed. The recruiting services
had Heimuli and To'oto'o in the same conference and locked as the best
players in Northern California, But The northern Cali magazine named Sione Vaki
as MVP and put him on the cover of the magazine! He was a lock for Utah, so his
star rating stayed at 3. If he wasnt a lock, he may have had more stars than the
previous players stated.
I think Utah ended strong with a great class...ranked lower because of less
recruits needed this year, as someone already suggested. BYU is a dumpster fire
right now, and only the most delusional of fans would argue that. Holmoe has
done a very poor job, and how fans and administration still support him is
beyond me.As for other arguments about recruiting services and
stars, there's a whole lot wrong with how some people view how recruiting
services work, but I'm just going to leave that alone...not worth it.Congrats to all kids with schollies. Wish all of the you the best
regardless what team you signed for!
@cosmos cousin"All in all, it appears to me BYU signed the best
class out of the 3 schools in the state."Haha that's an
@ Real Ute/aka Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00Feb. 7, 2019 12:53 p.m."I wish Utah would refrain from recruiting LDS kids that want to serve a
LDS mission. The greatest LDS athletes ever never served a LDS mission until
later in life, or not at all. There are many ways fine LDS pro athletes can
serve, have and do later in life. I can rattle-off all the names, but I think
most people know."So which do you dislike more: BYU or the LDS
church or its members Mike? What did any of them personally do to you to cause
this disdain and obsession?Keep track of your luggage and cut down
on the letters and you will be just fine.
Actually BYU's average stars for recruits has gone up significantly since
independence.9 years as Independent: 2.65previous 9
years in MWC: 2.1Not the same bump a P5 invite would have brought,
but still a significant bump. It's not that BYU is dropping, it's
that you are comparing to Utah who now is in a P5 and can pull recruits like
I’m very happy about our average player rankings. Our low number of
players leaving really hurts our overall ranking because is the 50 percent
emphasis on quantity. It is not a debate, this is our strongest average player
ranking ever. Add the 4 star QB and linebacker that are transferred in, this
class is incredible. For the uneducated out there...transfers to count for your
BYU is getting pretty much the same recruiting classes that it has always got:
very good LDS athletes who have grown up wanting to go to BYU, local state
talent not heavily recruited by big-name schools, a smattering of Polynesian and
African Americans who are good players, but don’t have many P-5 offers,
and a really good QB prospect or two. Back in the glory days, this formula was
great because BYU played 1-2 strong teams and then beat up on the rest of the
WAC. Now, BYU plays 4-5 strong teams a year, and Utah and Utah State have
significantly upgraded their programs to where BYU is no longer a dominant
program in the area. I think Sitake has done a pretty good job landing players
in his recruiting profile. BYU will continue to win its share of games, but the
glory days are long passed - pun intended.
ESPN ranks Utah’s recruiting class 61st in the nation and 11th in the
PAC12. (just ranked power 5 programs) if that’s the best of the Utah
schools, that is a sad state of affairs. Still, amazing how Utah schools
compete with sub par talent.
@ Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00You are missing the point. Great athletes that
didn't serve missions have nothing to do with whether or not athletes that
go on missions are good for the college teams they play for. Bryce Harper
didn't serve, but Utah was still better for having Chase Hansen. If Bryce
Harper had served, maybe he doesn't become as successful in the majors, but
he still would have made any college team better. The RMs that made great
college players were still great college players, regardless of athletes that
didn't go on missions, or regardless of whether or not they went on to be
pros themselves. Do you think Auburn wishes they would not have recruited Bo
Jackson because he got injured in the NFL?
Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00
Just like any recruiting class, you can't tell how good the class is until
those players get on the field. Missionaries and returned missionaries affect
the programs of all 3 programs. Thats what makes recruiting so different in the
state. BYU's program is the most affected because they have many more
missionaries in their program. I for one think that this is a great time
of year. On paper it looks like all the teams did well in recruiting . This
year I think that BYU did the best based on what all the pundits had to say with
Utah second and USU third. However, what the talking heads say means very
little. What no-one can measure is how a kid will grow and how much heart they
have when going up against players with the same skill level as they have. Time
will tell. Good luck to all.
NevadaCoug:"Well, duh. Who said that? Certainly not me."You absolutely DID say that. You said when you'd said..."BYU gets a lot of recruits that are committed to BYU early on. Thus,
other schools tend not to work too much to pursue them, which means they
don't show up too highly on these recruit rankings."...and..."To summarize:...Kid wants to play for BYU (or Utah,
for that matter!), lets other schools know that so they don't pursue him
too heavily, low stars or no stars.....Kid wants to play for Alabama, lets other
schools know that so they don't pursue him too heavily, higher star
ranking, because Alabama!"See? You're leaving it up to the
coaches and recruiting coordinators to determine the value of a recruit.
You're suggesting that ESPN, 247, and Rivals -- the "most accurate"
of all recruit rating services -- rate kids based on which schools/coaches offer
the athlete. But it doesn't work that way. Here's how it
works: ESPN, 247, and Rivals -- the "most accurate" of all recruit
rating services -- watch the kids, and rate them.And that's it.
It's that simple. What Saban, Meyer, Swinney, or Petersen think of a kid
does NOT influence the rating services.
All in all, it appears to me BYU signed the best class out of the 3 schools in
the state.Andrada is going to come in and be an impact player from
the start.If Wilson is healthy come fall, and if this great class
pans out, I predict BYU will finally get over the hump and beat Utah.
@76CougarFYI, 247 Sports ranks BYU's recruiting class 8th out
of all their 2019 opponents. So, I am going to keep laughing at BYU, because
most of your non-rival opponents are. And considering BYU'S schedule will
not even get them into the CFP, there really is nothing to get excited about if
you are a fan. So, you might as well laugh about it too.
@76cougar - With the two signees today, the Utes moved up to 6th. If they sign
Puka Nacua they would move up to 5th. Nothing to laugh at there.
instead of laughing and ridiculing BYU’s signings, if you are really ute
fans you should be concerned that 247 Sports ranks u 9th in the pac 12 and 5th
in the south division anead of only Arizona. So, you can keep laughing at BYU,
but most of your conference rivals could be laughing at u.
Oh Really? - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 7, 2019 8:33 a.m.@long lastTime was BYU won every month of the year. That’s what makes being
a Cougar fan frustrating lately.-------It's been
over 25 years since BYU could consistently beat Utah.It's been
10 years since BYU could consistently beat Utah State Time to face
reality before Weber State passes you by. Under Sitake BYUs talent has dropped
considerably, from 60s to 90s rankings.
"Neither the coaches, nor their recruiting coordinators award athletes
"stars"."Well, duh. Who said that? Certainly not
me.How does saying that ranking services give more credence to a kid
being recruited by Alabama than one being recruited by Miami-Ohio turn into a
person saying that coaches award "stars"? Please explain that logic to
me.Do you really think that if there is an unknown kid in Wyoming,
who is a stud and is pretty much unknown, that if he is only getting offers from
local schools that he is going to get a high star rating? Of course not. But
as soon as an Alabama-type school finds out about him and starts offering, his
star rating jumps up just because the Alabama-type takes interest. Meanwhile,
his ability as a player hasn't changed. So, like I said, the star ratings
@ I'm not sayin,I see your points, but Chase Hansen cannot
recover from tissue injuries. He had to not play not because of his broken
leg.You mentioned Bo Jackson.......Dennis Pitta's career-ending
injury was the exact same plight. Bo Jackson said he didn't EVER eat well,
nor did Pitta.
@ lost in DC,Did Danny Ainge, Steve Young, Jordan Gross, Johnny
Miller, Star Lotulelie, Kyle VanNoy, James Taft Fredette, MyKayla Skinner, Billy
Casper, Eric Weddle, Tony Finau, Bryce Harper, Kresomir Cosic, Dale Murphy, Tom
Chambers, Bruce Summerhays..........did those unadulterated superstars go on LDS
missions, sir? Should I keep naming more? Please......just please.
@Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00 You did nothing to disprove my point. There are
still a lot of returned missionaries that will make Utah's football program
better, whether or not they go onto the NFL, or whether or not other amazing
athletes don't go on missions. Anything you said had nothing to do with
the contribution that guys that do go on missions make. Chase Hansen's
broken ankle and Harvi Langi's car accident had nothing to do with being a
returned missionary, or Bryce Harper's achievements. Let's talk about
Chase Hansen, Austin Collie(your fave NFL player), Dennis Pitta, & Harvey
Langi. They all wanted to go on missions and they all wanted to play college
football. The schools that they went to were all better for it. There are way
too many injuries in sports to say it is because guys did not eat right for two
years when they were 18 to 20. Bo Jackson literally ran right out of his hip...
where did he serve?
@ lost in DC,How are Chase Hansen and Britain Covey fighting
injuries due to poor nutrition?........not at all! They are always fighting
muscle-tendon-ligament issues. I can name many many many more pards. How did
Austin Colley and Dennis Pitta do fighting tissue injuries? They didn't
and are gone!
Congrats to the schools and to the young men.And thanks to the
majority of the posters who for the most part have been upbeat and positive and
not demeaned the other teams.Utes-Pac12I think we did OK with
returned missionaries Covey, Hansen, Gay, Hauati Pututau, Sunia Tauteoli, Pita
Tonga, Isaac Asiata, et al. the DN listed 19 on Utah’s team in 2017. I
think they are quite the addition. Takes a little more to manage the team and
scholarships, etc., but Whit knows how to do it. yeah, sometimes you lose when
they flip to BYU after their missions, but sometimes it goes the other way, like
with Jake Murphy.Oh, and did you know Weddle joined the church while
at the U? not much chance of him serving a mission.Just because
there are more high profile / more successful LDS athletes does not mean the RMs
on the Utah squad are not significant contributors. Not every college player has
a long and successful pro career.
NevadaCoug:"BYU gets a lot of recruits that are committed to BYU
early on. Thus, other schools tend not to work too much to pursue them, which
means they don't show up too highly on these recruit rankings."Myth. Neither the coaches, nor their recruiting coordinators award
athletes "stars". The "stars" come from the independent rating
sources, such as Rivals, 247, and ESPN. Of those 3, the only one who'd
ever been independently rated as the "most accurate" was Rivals.
@ Im not sayin,Should we talk about Chase Hansen, Austin Collie(my
fave NFL player), Dennis Pitta, Harvey Langi, etc............they cannot or
could ever recover recover from small tissue/ligament injuries due to poor
nutrition. Do you realize that at about 18 years old, after puberty, you develop
tendon and ligament strength throughout your body, or not? My dad was a
phenomenal ER doctor and he demanded we ate the right foods. We were all
golfers, my lil' bros and I. We hit millions of golf balls, never a bad
back, nor suffered any tissue injury at all........we still don't and
we're freak'n old and still scratch golfers. You are what you eat,
The article forgot to mention that BYU got a commitment from Orem's Jake
Pederson (no stars on Scout.com) for a preferred walk-on...so, there's
@ London Joshsy77,The Y is losing ground at a fast pace
attracting/keeping African Americans, and nutrition at BYU is not even close to
where it needs to be. Ya gotta eat the correct foods dear buddy. You know that
my friend! Who can ski like you?......not many.
@ Im not sayin,Does Bryce Harper, Eric Weddle and Toney Finau ring a
"bell" to you fine sir? They are among the top athletes in the world as
of today........all ardent LDS man. Would you like me to name the LDS HOFers
that never went on a LDS mission? Do you really?
@ I'm not sayin,Do you want me to rattle-off the greatest LDS
athletes in history and as of today? Do you really want me to fine sir? If so,
then buckle-up my friend.
@Utes-PAC12 - canada, 00I could not disagree with you more. More schools
are recruiting missionaries and happily keeping their scholarships when they
leave. I heard David Shaw at Stanford say that he loves his returned
missionaries, with my own ears.Do names like Chase Hansen, Isaac
Asiata and Garret Bolles ring a bell? One of the best things Ron McBride did to
get the Utah football program going in the right direction was to start
recruiting guys that planned to go on missions. It would be a mistake to stop
Best part of this discussion.... Little bro in red analyzing BYU's 4
signings and predicting the season. Keep up that expert analysis!!Daily laugh completed!
As for comparing BYU's class to Utah's class to Utah State's
class:Who cares? As a fan for my school, I just want to know what
the needs were and who they got to fill those needs. If you sign three 5 star
Quarterbacks, but have nobody to catch the ball, you could have a highly-ranked
class and still have a bad team.So did BYU get their needs?
Probably not, since there are still major questions at RB, and perhaps even at
WR. Sure, some guys can switch positions and fill needs, but we'll have to
wait and see.
There was the Gary Crowton effect years ago, then the Bronco effect. Since
Lavell, I think Kalani is our best recruiter.If you take BYU and
stack it up against the other schools, it's the middle of the road level in
recruiting. Nearly all P5 schools, and a handful of G5 schools do better than
BYU based on rankings and stars.If you look at rankings, Utah is
#45, BYU is #79, and USU is #89. #45 is good, but there are 65 P5 teams so Utah
(who didn't have a lot of departing seniors) is way on the low end of P5
recruiting. Utah got who they needed to get this year, it's about team
improvement. BYU by numbers, should be above 70 (almost a P5
argument, better than G5) - here's the issue with that. BYU's
athletes absolutely have higher academic requirements (if not for entry
it's for maintaining that GPA which is clearly higher than other schools in
terms of competition) and they need to be HC ready guys. BYU will
always be lagging on the recruiting rankings. That's expected.BYU is evolving to getting who they need to get in terms of being BYU guys,
and that's exactly who BYU needs to go after. Please throw in a little
speed and better conditioning and we're set.
BYU gets a lot of recruits that are committed to BYU early on. Thus, other
schools tend not to work too much to pursue them, which means they don't
show up too highly on these recruit rankings. This happens with other schools,
too, but the system is flawed. If a guy grows up always wanting to play for
Alabama, then the ranking services say, "Alabama offered him, he must be
really good!" even though other schools may or may not pursue him
heavily.To summarize:Kid wants to play for BYU (or Utah, for
that matter!), lets other schools know that so they don't pursue him too
heavily, low stars or no stars.Kid wants to play for Alabama (or
USC, or Ohio State, etc), lets other schools know that so they don't pursue
him too heavily, higher star ranking, because Alabama! (or USC, or Ohio State,
etc.)It's not just decided by film, stats, number of offers,
I wish Utah would refrain from recruiting LDS kids that want to serve a LDS
mission. The greatest LDS athletes ever never served a LDS mission until later
in life, or not at all. There are many ways fine LDS pro athletes can serve,
have and do later in life. I can rattle-off all the names, but I think most
Just for fun and after the "Kalani effect" has now gone through 4
recruiting classes, should we still call him "Sheriff Sitake," or
"Deputy Barney Fife?"Cheers to all!
How did BYU help themselves in this class? They needed a plethora of speedy
playmakers and they did not recruit/land one, other than a QB (Conover) that
won't be back for two years. BYU is now competing with Dixie State and
Southern Utah for recruits. Half of BYU's class consists of players that
had only one offer from a FBS team...,.,...BYU.
BYU's recruiting class is the same as any other year. You really
can't criticize it, unless you expected more because "Indy will improve
recruiting" or "ESPN will draw recruits" or "new sheriff in
town". Setting unrealistic expectations just leads to disappointment. BYU
is a special place with special recruiting.
The impact of this year's recruiting class on next year's team is very
limited. So many of these young men are going on church missions and what
remains is a group that is likely to make little or no impact. Huge
unmet needs still exist at running back despite the best efforts of the coaching
staff. Add to this a difficult schedule (for our little blue brothers) and you
have yet another recipe for disaster and a losing season. Independence has been great say so many Cougar Club members ignoring how far
in recruiting and national relevance this school as dropped.
Bingham’s Simote Pepa committed/signed this morning & Junior Tafuna
signed, as well!Go Utes!
Utah seems to have gotten some impact players who can contribute right away.
Gary Anderson did a fantastic job considering how little time he had. BYU got
that Conover kid, but he will be serving a mission. He should return at just
about the right time to follow Wilson. Normally, far too much is expected of
new recruits. They aren't likely to beat out players already on the
team.Just a side note, could ANYONE tell me what ever happened to
the BYU returned missionary 400 pound lineman? I am amazed that the sports
casters haven't brought this up.
@bemorefair"BYU's class is sneaky good. The recruits impress
quite a bit once you get past the star business."Those darn recruiting
experts! What do they know!? Whether you like it or not, recruiting rankings
still matter. If you don't consistently recruit five and four star talent,
you better have the coaching staff with the ability of coaching up some of your
two and three star talent. BYU has neither the high recruiting rankings or the
coaching talent to consistently develop diamonds in the rough.
Y Ask Y - Provo, UTFeb. 7, 2019 8:25 a.m.OK, if you're
going to analyze the three teams in one article, you are going to have to
compare and rank them: which team had the best recruiting class, and which had
the worst?!---------Go to Rivals.com and scout.com and report back
I am perfectly happy to see all three teams do well. I am impressed that
Anderson did so well with limited time to work on recruiting. A good hire for
the Aggies. And I'm really happy to see Riley Burt stay instate. Congrats to the Utes on the towering front line recruits. Congratulations to the Cougar commits. It will be interesting to see how it
all works with the 18 mission returnees. Looking forward to a good
season for all three schools.
“Time was BYU won every month of the year. That’s what makes being a
Cougar fan frustrating lately.”The ‘80s are long gone
& will never be repeated, period.....Let it go already, man.9
straight & counting is soon upon us—Beware!Go Utes!
Reality bites. Even the most rabid byu fans don't claim anymore to have
"won February recruiting". That used to be standard fare on the
comments after signing day. Keep up the good work, Holmoe. You fans need to
get his contract lengthened. LOL
“ BYU's reputation for being QBU lives on.”That rep
died years ago, period.....It’s merely a byu fan’s fantasy
“On a side note; does anyone know what happened to the 2/3 kids from
Bingham that were supposed to sign?”Was to take place
yesterday, but snow closed the school.Will take place this morning @
10:00 AM MT.Go Utes!
Kyle has built a strong, sustainable program with the experience he's
gained and the Utes investment in the program. Congrats to all the kids and
their families. An exciting time in their lives.
@long lastTime was BYU won every month of the year. That’s
what makes being a Cougar fan frustrating lately.
OK, if you're going to analyze the three teams in one article, you are
going to have to compare and rank them: which team had the best recruiting
class, and which had the worst?!
BYU's class is sneaky good. The recruits impress quite a bit once you get
past the star business. There will be some serious difference makers, but the
ones with stars are still the most impressive. Albright looks like KVN to me. He
will be a disruptor for sure. Connover is unbelievably talented. It's no
wonder every top school wanted him. BYU's reputation for being QBU lives
Good luck to all these young men and big time congrats on getting a scholarship.
I'm sure their parents check book will appreciate that.On a
side note; does anyone know what happened to the 2/3 kids from Bingham that were
supposed to sign?
I wonder if the byu fans remember just a decade or so ago, when the school down
south ALWAYS won February? Times have certainly changed, haven't they.
Keep it up, Holmoe!