Letter: Nothing but praise for the president

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  • Neanderthal Springville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2019 9:33 p.m.

    @Hugh1:
    "Trump hasn't addressed socialism, except rhetorically, but he has massively compounded the nation's debt crisis."

    The real national debt crisis-maker was Trump's predecessor, Barack Hussein Obama, who doubled the national debt from 10 to 20 trillion.

    "Trump needs to cut spending, raise taxes, or better yet, do both to reduce the nations massively unfunded debt crisis - deficits do matter."

    What Trump needs to do is ask himself why the federal government needs a Dept. of Education with 4,000 employees. Education is fundamentally a state responsibility. And what does the Dept. of Labor do with 16,000 employees?

    "Leadership is about getting the job done, not about making strawman arguments while not addressing the elephant in the room."

    It would seem Trump could exercise leadership by substantially reducing a lot of the 2,096,000 federal workforce enough to balance the annual budget.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Feb. 11, 2019 8:04 a.m.

    To "ConservativeCommonTater " no, when everybody pays for something that does not equate to socialism.

    For example, if a group of friends decides to purchase a vacation home together, that is not socialism. You see, nobody mandated that they all pay for it, it was a voluntary action.

    Under Capitalism, the purpose of government is to protect property and enforce the law. That is what the Fire Department and Police departments do.

    That is a nice list of presidents you have, but it doesn't address my statement because Presidents don't make laws. I said that it was Democrat policies that caused the recessions. A policy can be enacted, but not cause a problem for a decade. For instance, Freddie Mac was created in 1970 by Democrats in Congress wanting to expand home loans. That didn't cause a recession until 2008.

    Nice try, but how about you actually respond to my statements, and not what you want my statement to be.

    To "countryvoice3" prove it. Show us that prior to 1900 it was the oligarch, or patrician that prospered.

  • countryvoice3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2019 9:24 a.m.

    "If you want to see how capitalism works without socialism, look at the US prior to 1900. Nobody took it over and it had a good economy."

    We had a great economy only if you were an oligarch, or patrician. Yes we had great economic growth, but the spoils went almost exclusively to a very small group of people, ushering in the founding of the Progressive party and Teddy Roosevelt.

    I just finished a biography of President Roosevelt, and the book spends considerable time talking about the abysmal conditions of labor in the early 1900's and how Roosevelt used that as his platform to rise to power and for his successes as President.

    Reading another book now by a conservative writer the "Fracturing of America" and he goes into great detail about how that same government presence in the economy existed right through the early 1970's, the period that created the modern middle class. Of course he details issues that started to appear at that point, but clearly America's finest moments weren't a time of economic laissez-faire.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2019 9:53 p.m.

    Nothing but praise for the president?
    A president that had the morals of an alley cat, tax cheat, daily liar, dishonest businessman, etc. Why would we be proud to have someone like this leading our country?

    We keep lowering our standards about what is acceptable in a president and in Congress. No wonder we are in trouble.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    RedShirtHarvard

    "To "ConservativeCommonTater"

    "the fire department and police department are not examples of socialism.
    Wrong, people without children pay for education, fire, police.

    Wrong. when everyone pays for something you don't use, that's socialism

    "You should also realize that most recessions, especially in the past 100 years have been due to DEMOCRAT policies and actions that have bad repercussions for the economy. "

    Extremely wrong.
    1907 recesssion Theodore Roosevelt Republican
    1910-1911 Wm Howard Taft Republican
    1913-1914 Woodrow Wilson Dem
    1918-1919 Woodrow Wilson Dem
    1920-1921 Warren Harding Republican
    1921-1923 Warren Harding Republican
    1923-1924 Calvin Coolidge Republican
    1929-1933 Herber Hoover Republican Great Depression
    1937-1938 FDR Dem
    1948-1949 Harry Truman Dem
    1953 Eisenhower Republican
    1958 Eisenhower Republican
    1960-1961 JFK Dem
    1969-1971 Nixon Republican
    1973-1975 Nixon/Ford Republican
    1980 Carter Dem
    1981-1982 Ronnie Raygun Republican
    1990-1991 GWH Bush Republican
    2001 GW Bush Republican
    2007-2009 GW Bush Republican

    Worst were under Republicans.

  • TheJester American Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    @RedShirtHarvard

    "When the free market was largely left alone (WWII to 1975) there was less income inequality."

    Thank you for making my tax argument for me.

    (From "History of Federal Income Tax Rates")

    In 1944, the top rate peaked at 94 percent on taxable income over $200,000 ($2.5 million in today’s dollars3). That’s a high tax rate.

    The 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s

    Over the next three decades, the top federal income tax rate remained high, never dipping below 70 percent.

    Only when Mr. Reagan dropped the top federal income tax rate in the early '80s did we see the deterioration of the middle-class. So I agree with you sir, let's go back to the good old days of 1955-1975 where the top marginal rate was at least 70%. Bring back the middle class! Go capitalism!

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Feb. 8, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    To "ConservativeCommonTater" I already pay for my kids to be educated, so that argument is void.

    I hate to tell you this, but the fire department and police department are not examples of socialism. They are examples of CAPITALISM because in capitalism government is there to protect property and property right. That is the job of the police and fire departments.

    Even Education is still a capitalist institution. Just look at all of the non-government sources for education from kindergarten through college.

    You should also realize that most recessions, especially in the past 100 years have been due to DEMOCRAT policies and actions that have bad repercussions for the economy. FYI, neither party is fiscally responsible, but only the Democrats have constantly tried to control and manage the economy.

    I am still waiting to hear about a successful implementation of Socialism. If you want to see how capitalism works without socialism, look at the US prior to 1900. Nobody took it over and it had a good economy.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 10:39 a.m.

    RedShirt -
    "To "pragmatistferlife" if you think socialism is so great, name the country that has fully embraced it and can rival the US. Now, naming countries that have capitalism to support socialism only shows how bad socialism is because it can't exist on its own. "

    Your conclusion about socialism is completely wrong. Yes, it takes money for socialism to work, but your conclusion that socialism is bad is seriously incorrect.

    Without socialism you would have to pay to educate your children. If your house is on fire, you'd have to call a private fire department and give them your credit card. Same with police, you want them to come out when your house is broken into, give them your credit card.

    You don't really seem to know how capitalism or socialism work, much less how they work together.

    RedShirt -
    To "pragmatistferlife" but socialism never supports capitalism. Here is how we know. If you take away capitalism from a country that has a mixed economy, the country will collapse. Now, if you take away socialism, the country will not collapse. History shows this.

    No, the pure capitalist country would be overthrown. Tell us what pure capitalist country exists today.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    RedShirtHarvard - Cambridge, MA

    To "pragmatistferlife" yes, 20 recessions in the 1800s. But in the past 100 years since the Fed was created and we have had more government intrusion we have had 3 major recessions (1920, 1929, and 2008) collapses within 22 recessions. The government controlling things has made it WORSE. Yes, thanks to government, the effects of a recession have been worse in the 1900s than they were in the 1800s.

    Have you bothered to notice that the recessions and depressions, high deficits and periods of high unemployment have been created by the party that claims to be the "fiscally responsible party?"

    Nah, you'll make up some reason to blame the Dems instead of accepting the fact that Republicans are really bad at managing the country.

  • Say No to Trump Payson, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 10:05 a.m.

    With only 1200 "characters" it is absolutely impossible for posters to adequately address any of the major topics here (39 posts so far). Some subjects could be challenging even in a PHD dissertation.

    Almost every post requires the poster to "cherry-pick" their facts. Limited "characters" and degrees of honesty result in many imperfect posts.

    Here is my attempt to address one issue out of many.

    Is the following correct?? "The government controlling things has made it WORSE. Yes, thanks to government, the effects of a recession have been worse in the 1900s than they were in the 1800s."

    Answer--I do not know.

    But please allow me to insert one major factor in this subject. As the years have gone by most people have migrated from the subsistence family farm to wage labor.

    Any adequate discussion must include this major factor and also other major factors.

    New subject.

    Before "socialism" became the catch-all word for a large portion of the evils in the world it meant something different to many people. My perception is that it meant the non private ownership of the means of production. No private farms, mines, factories, railroads, etc, etc. Who advocates for that??

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 9:35 a.m.

    RedShirt

    To "pragmatistferlife" if you think socialism is so great, name the country that has fully embraced it and can rival the US. Now, naming countries that have capitalism to support socialism only shows how bad socialism is because it can't exist on its own.

    joe5 - South Jordan, UT

    pragmatist:

    "All you did was pander to those who already agree with you and give them an opportunity to smirk and give you a "like" to demonstrate how mindless they are as well. You just abdicated any semblance of advocacy."

    Joe5 all you just did was pander to those who already agree with you and gave them the opportunity to smirk and give you a "like" but fewer than the ones that disagree with you, just to demonstrate how mindless they are as well.

    joe5 - South Jordan, UT

    "Let me just ask you these questions: How often does Trump mention America? How often do liberals mention America?"

    I can't believe what you just said. Do you think saying the word; "America" makes someone more capable, patriotic or intelligent than someone that doesn't.

    I know that those little American Flag lapel pins are part of the Republican costume, but what they are doing to the country is not patriotic.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    @RedShirtHarvard "...(WWII to 1975) there was less income inequality. "

    During that period we had much higher marginal tax rates and corporate rates. Interesting don't you think?

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    Feb. 8, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    If Trump is the best leader Russia had available for us at the time, why can't all Americans -- not just his followers -- be grateful for the things we have, and have a little faith that Putin was looking out for our interests?

    Oh yeah, and just start copiously praising Trump already.

    These hateful naysayers will only delay the Great Unification.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    Redshirt claims: "When the free market was largely left alone (WWII to 1975) there was less income inequality."

    What was the tax rate for corporations and the wealthy during that time?

    Had large portions of the industrial world been destroyed by war, except America, who was ready to fill that role?

    Conservative history is willfully ignorant of reality.

    What changed after 1975? Oh yeah voodoo, reaganomics the only pony the conservatives and the GOP believe in, even though it's been proven a failure since the late 80's.

    But lets go back to effective 90% tax rate on those making over a set amount, and see if they share the wealth better with their employees, this alone will help with the income inequality.

    Because given the choice of paying better and reinvesting in your business or paying taxes, they will invest in the people and business.

    Nobody is claiming to want pure socialism, just like the false black and white analogies thrown out by the far right about getting rid of all fossil fuels at once.

    The system we have has been rigged and needs to be fixed, one party keeps enabling this rigged system. See socialism for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Feb. 8, 2019 6:55 a.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" yes, 20 recessions in the 1800s. But in the past 100 years since the Fed was created and we have had more government intrusion we have had 3 major recessions (1920, 1929, and 2008) collapses within 22 recessions. The government controlling things has made it WORSE. Yes, thanks to government, the effects of a recession have been worse in the 1900s than they were in the 1800s.

    Teddy Roosevelt didn't fix the problem. FDR didn't fix it either. Neither did Carter or Obama. There will always be rich and poor among us. The difference is that the more we adopt socialism the wider that gap becomes. If you look at a graph of income inequality over the past 100 years during the Progressive times income inequality was at a high. When the free market was largely left alone (WWII to 1975) there was less income inequality. Historically socialism only benefits the well connected, and the income distribution charts show that.

    Actually safer working conditions, clean air and water, clean food, expanded voting rights, the creation of a true middle class were all created BEFORE we started to adopt socialism.

    Still waiting to hear about the nation were socialism works.

  • Say No to Trump Payson, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 10:49 p.m.

    Mr. Pacer has very high regards for Mr. Trump. "He is the wall that stands between us, the American people and the horrors of socialism."

    I would speculate that one of Mr. Pacer's socialism horrors is taxpayer supported Universal Medical Care for all USA citizens and legal residents. We already have something close to Universal Medical Care, but it is generally limited to folks at least 65 years old. Is Medicare a part of your "horrors of socialism"??

    I have a genuine horror story that began in December, 2018. We were on vacation when my wife developed heart failure for the first time. She was hospitalized for 16 days in San Diego, California. The Medicare Complete provider tells me they are processing a hospital bill for $191,000. They will certainly pay much less than what the hospital wants. However there are also the doctors, emergency room, rehab facility in Utah, etc, etc. Without taxpayer supported Medicare and Tricare4life, this would have also been a "financial" horror story. She is home and doing well now.

    Can anyone even imagine Medicare becoming the law of the land in 2019. It came into force in 1966. It would be "mission impossible" in 2019.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:27 p.m.

    Redshirt.."To "Prometheus Platypus" yes, pure capitalism was tried in the US up until the early 1900s, and we prospered and became a powerful nation. Since then we have been adding on layers of socialism, and we have seen the problems it causes."

    No we didn't prosper "as a nation" if you define nation as the people. There were over 20 recessions, panics, depressions, etc. in the 1800's alone. There was mass inequality, poverty, and hideous working conditions by the time Teddy Roosevelt became President easily ushering in the progressive movement.

    Yes, we have been adding layers of social welfare since then, and we have seen the consequences...safer working conditions, clean air and water, clean food, expanded voting rights, the creation of a true middle class...has it come at the expense of some economic growth..yes..thank goodness.

    To the point we have had nearly as many recessions, depressions, and panics in the 1900's but because of the social welfare programs the consequences have been far different...thank goodness.

    Our middle class has survived. Somewhat battered and kick around but a far different condition than the early 1900's.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 5:28 p.m.

    What we have is capitalist socialism. Privatize the profits and socialize the risk. How can we say any different after all the bailouts: S&L, Wall Street-Bank, car companies, ect..., and then gave a huge tax cut to those who benefitted the most from the bailouts: the super wealthy and corporations. Under true capitalism the banks would have failed, Wall Street would have failed, car companies would have failed. Many corporations would have failed. There would have been a correction. The superwealthy would have lost the most. New companies would replace them.

  • Say No to Trump Payson, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    The letter writer wrote the following

    "I have nothing but contempt for Congress and nothing but praise for the president."

    I am sure Mr. Pacer does not hold in contempt the sizable portion of Congress that cheered almost every word from Mr. Trump's mouth. Seems to be some confusion in the letter.

    It is interesting to ride the Amtrak train a little west of El Paso, Texas. The train passed within 200 feet of the border wall that existed in 2004. The homes north of the railroad track are "fortresses". Most homes have bars on the windows and doors. Also chain-link fences with rolled barbwire on top surrounding their property. The wall must be less than perfect in preventing illegal crossings.

    Walls are not a perfect solution to illegal crossings. But neither is hand washing, vitamins and lots of rest a perfect solution for preventing illness.

    However I do support the need for additional wall. Not an ocean to ocean wall. There would be little need of a wall or even a fence in much of the Big Bend border area of Texas. Just patrol the few roads more.

    I thought "socialism" was the non private ownership of the means of production. Who advocates that "horror"??

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 3:09 p.m.

    Socialism? Like giving farmers a bunch of money so they’ll continue to vote for you even though you’re the cause of the tariffs that have ruined their sales? Isn’t that socialism?

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 7, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    Notice that those advocating for American Socialism, never move to a Socialist country.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    ECR: I will use the last of my four comments to respond to you.

    I did not vote for Trump and I can't see being BFFs with him. I do think his policies are far better than we would have under a Democratic administration. Those arguments have been beat to death so I won't debate them with you here.

    Let me just ask you these questions: How often does Trump mention America? How often do liberals mention America?

    Democrats rarely mention America; they focus on identities such as women, blacks, and gays. But not America. They are the dividers, not Trump.

    About his lies: who is doing the counting? His enemies, right? Did you watch the fact-finders after his talk on immigration the night Schummer and Pelosi put on their American Gothic show? Did you listen to the fact-finders after the SOTU this week?

    Their grounds for a lie primarily rests on whether they agree with it or not, nothing to do with facts, but their interpretation of the facts. Sure, Trump lies but name me anybody in politics or the media itself that does not tell lies. They want to convince you that his lies are different, more egregious, than their own but you won't really fall for that, will you?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 2:21 p.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" but socialism never supports capitalism. Here is how we know. If you take away capitalism from a country that has a mixed economy, the country will collapse. Now, if you take away socialism, the country will not collapse. History shows this.

    Also, fyi, in capitalism there are regulations and restrictions. The difference is that the government let businesses fail, the government only acted to enforce property rights and to be a referee between people and businesses. The government does not engage in competition with private businesses. What you describe is anarchy, which is NOT capitalism.

    To "Prometheus Platypus" yes, pure capitalism was tried in the US up until the early 1900s, and we prospered and became a powerful nation. Since then we have been adding on layers of socialism, and we have seen the problems it causes.

  • Dexter183 Murray/Salt Lake County, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    ECR Burke, VA. Ironic that you bring up my mis-spelled word. Check on your last sentence and see if you can find your own spelling error. Too funny!

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 1:56 p.m.

    Socialism seems to work really well for the 1%. They are rolling in the dough they are getting from the middle class tax raise. If you haven't done your taxes yet, you are in for a surprise. Lots of anecdotal evidence that people are getting smaller refunds or paying more based the big tax cuts for the rich that was passed with much fanfare by the Republicans last year.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    Prometheus: Stereotyping (indicating your own bigotry an not reflecting on me at all) and name-calling (again, more a reflection of who you are than who I am) are not becoming and reek of desperation instead of discourse. A worthy adversary (in the sense of having different perspectives - not being enemies) would have limited your post to the last two paragraphs in which you at least tried to make an argument.

    If my previous post made it by the DN censors (always a dicey propostion), I think you will see an example of making an argument with substance and without having to be insulting about it. You may disagree with it (that never bothers me) but it doesn't have to be personal.

    Even in my comments to you and pragmatist, the focus was on behavior (your lack of substantive discourse and civility) instead of you personally. It's never a good look to go after someone personally.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 1:15 p.m.

    I agree Venezuela is not the best argument against socialism. But I submit that western Europe is not a good argument for socialism either.

    The best model to see where socialism leads is Argentina because socialism matured over a long period of time, past the honeymoon stage and into the final results stage. It had time to implement socialist principles over a long period of time. It took almost a century but they went from one of the wealthiest nations on earth to one of the poorest.

    We are already starting to see the cracks in the western European countries because of their turn toward socialism. Give them another 50 years and they will be where Argentina got to.

    Just one final point: The US struggles most where socialism plays the biggest role. Medicare and social security have already been mentioned but you could add in the VA, education, welfare services, etc. And it's not just at the national level. California (and other blue states) as well as many cities under Democratic management are at the bow wave of the curve and they are universally past the honeymoon stage and on their way to financial and social disaster.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Feb. 7, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    Lots of interesting and colorful comments today. I would like to address the claim that "many librales hate Donald Trump more than they love the country."

    While I disagree with this statement, especially the spelling error, I understand why some believe this. I don't think it's that we hate Trump, it's just that we hate what he stands for.

    First there is the morality of the man, or lack thereof. We have heard his conversations, before and after the election, belittling others, speaking of his sexual conquests, giving childish nicknames to anyone he wants to belittle and generally seeming to have no care for anyone but himself.

    Then there is the lying. Some organizations have kept track of his lies and have documented thousands of lies that he has told just since taking over as president. Just before the 2018 election he said he was sending a 10% middle class tax cut to the Congress. Has that been seen yet? And, of course, there is the claim that Mexico would pay for a southern border wall.

    But I think what I hate most is how is lack honor and integrity seems to have given so many in the country permission to follow his actions.

    We should look elsewhere for leadership.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    joe5 said: "pragmatist: Seriously? "Get a grip." is the best response you could come up with?"

    Joe apparently reads none of the comments, or they would see that it is continuation of his original comment, that Redshirt helped confirm.

    Trump fans appear to have the same attention span and reading comprehension as Donald.

    By the way is there a pure capitalistic society that is successful?
    Has pure socialism ever been tried?

    There are blends of all of these, the trick is finding the sweet spot. The GOP seems to believe very few controlling all the wealth is what's best for their donors and those they fool into thinking they are part of the GOP elites, cause this is all they have proposed since Reagan, and it's failing, the middle class makes the same now as they did under Reagan when adjusted for inflation.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 12:41 p.m.

    So Redshirt I'll play the game as soon as you can name a country with complete unfettered market capitalism. No regulations, no restrictions, no social welfare programs just every person for themselves.

    Doesn't exist does it? What you left out of your scenarios are the countries that have socialism to support capitalism (so to speak). Countries that have social systems (not really socialism) that mitigate the faults and gaps of capitalism as both a wealth creator and wealth distributor.

    These countries are pretty much all of western civilization including America that fit nicely in between something that can't and doesn't exist pure capitalism, and the totalitarian socialist countries of communism and some just pure dictators.

    That's the mental leap you all want us to take. A leap that has not occurred in reality, that the step after Social Security is totalitarian Venezuela. Again seriously?

    joe5, clearly you didn't read my first post. How about this?

  • Dexter183 Murray/Salt Lake County, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 12:29 p.m.

    Thomas Jefferson. My remarks have nothing to do with a “straw man” argument. The statement is true in many cases and is obvious to anyone that hasn’t drank the (hate everything Trump says or does) cool aid.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    pragmatist: Seriously? "Get a grip." is the best response you could come up with?

    Somehow that was not very compelling to me. If you want to win the debate in a public forum, then give us something to really think about and work with. Who knows? A cogent argument might actually be persuasive to people still on the fence. All you did was pander to those who already agree with you and give them an opportunity to smirk and give you a "like" to demonstrate how mindless they are as well. You just abdicated any semblance of advocacy.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" if you think socialism is so great, name the country that has fully embraced it and can rival the US. Now, naming countries that have capitalism to support socialism only shows how bad socialism is because it can't exist on its own. Naming countries that have capitalism to support socialism is like saying your car runs fine despite the fact that it can't go anywhere without being towed.

  • kvs West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    As a man tweeteth in his heart, so is he. Trumps tweets in coming days will tell all.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    Redshirt.."To "pragmatistferlife" yes, the horrors of socialism. SS is broke, Medicare isn't far behind, eventually socialism leads to a strongman dictator and the death of many people>"

    As I said seriously? Get a grip.

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    Feb. 7, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    Man oh man do I love "fan fiction"!
    Don't you?

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 7, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    Just imagine how much more President Trump could accomplish for American if not for the attacking Democrats.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    Do you mean Stephen Miller's speech? Plus, ;
    "History will prove that all that oppose him are fools."

    Give it a few months. When Mueller gets finished, it's going to prove that those that still follow him have either been fooled or don't care that our President is beholden to Russia.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:51 a.m.

    To "Prometheus Platypus" you only saw what the camera wanted you to see. Listening to the stories from people that were in the gallery, the Democrats were far worse that what was shown. They were reading Facebook, texting, sending out tweets, talking to each other, and doing just about every disrespectful thing they could get away with.

    To "utah chick" what did the ladies in white do to make you proud? Was it when they sat down when Trump mentioned late term abortion?

    To "Esquire " most of the US agrees with Michael. According to CNN 76% of the US agrees with Trump's state of the union. When you have a 76% approval rating for a SOTU speech, that shows you where the American Public sits.

    To "Thomas Jefferson" that is the great thing about opinions, they are just that opinions. You can have yours, and Michael can have his. FYI, Obama was one of the worst Presidents ever, not Trump. Trump isn't the greatest, but he is far above Obama in his standings.

    To "pragmatistferlife" yes, the horrors of socialism. SS is broke, Medicare isn't far behind, eventually socialism leads to a strongman dictator and the death of many people.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    "He is the wall that stands between us, the American people and the horrors of socialism."

    Every modern economy is mixed, i.e. a combination of capitalism and socialism.

  • Boberino Farmington, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    Well said! Trump nailed it.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    "He is the wall that stands between us, the American people and the horrors of socialism."

    "The horrors of socialism". Do you mean, Social Security, and Medicare, or do you mean the European societies that have universal health care, child care, retirement benefits etc. and have much higher happiness indexes, much higher upward mobility indexes, and healthier societies..oh I hear you..Venezuela, and the Soviet Union.

    How does your mind even work to think America would go from a still functioning Democratic Republic to European socialism right through to a dictatorial crushed Venezuela?

    Seriously

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    "many librales(sic) hate Donald Trump more than they love the country."

    Strawman argument with no basis in reality. You dont know what 'librales' love or hate so this is speculation and name calling.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    I dont think I will ever be able to understand how someone can have opinions like those expressed in this letter.

    In my opinion the donald is the worst president we have or will ever elect. I believe he only cares about his ego and I believe that fact is obvious.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    Michael is free to believe what he wants. Most of America disagrees with him. A speech does not make a successful or competent Presidency.

  • Dexter183 Murray/Salt Lake County, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    Michael. I agree with your comments 100%. Some of these silly arguments such as “the president didn’t write the speech” are laughable. Presidents typically don’t write there own speeches but do approve, add, and subtract from the rough draft. I also agree with a comment recently made that many librales hate Donald Trump more than they love the country. Sad but true.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    Let’s see if you still feel so strongly after the Mueller report? Or let’s see if you feel Trump is above the law when guilty rulings come out on any one of the other lawsuits.

    Really, it should’ve been all over when Trump bragged about grabbing women or when he mocked a disabled man. This is one of the most embarrassing, shameful periods in American history and one speech regardless of how wonderful you think it was doesn’t change anything.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Feb. 7, 2019 7:57 a.m.

    That's interesting Michael I see the Congress as a wall between us and the Trump swamp.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 7:36 a.m.

    The only way to obtain the author’s perspective is to embrace belligerent rejection of objective reality as a personal virtue.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    So apparently this was your first SOTU because you seem ignorant of the fact that the GOP acted far worse at Obama's addresses, remember the GOP cheerleader yelling out "You Lie!" Trump wouldn't have been able to speak if every time he lied, and there were many, someone shouted out "you lie."

    It doesn't matter what he read, since he wrote none of it. Instead of platitudes and rhetoric he could have addressed actual problems instead of his "monument to himself" problem.

    Can't be a "Trump" 364 days a year, then give a speech and change that.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 5:59 a.m.

    Wall against socialism? Meanwhile, our farmers suffer with Trump's trade wars with China, waiting for Trump's socialistic subsidies that were delayed in Trump's government shutdown and were supposed to keep farmers "in business" until Trump wins his trade war...

  • Hugh1 , 00
    Feb. 7, 2019 4:29 a.m.

    Trump is the wall between us and socialism? Trump hasn't addressed socialism, except rhetorically, but he has massively compounded the nation's debt crisis. Trump needs to cut spending, raise taxes, or better yet, do both to reduce the nations massively unfunded debt crisis - deficits do matter. Leadership is about getting the job done, not about making strawman arguments while not addressing the elephant in the room.

  • utah chick MSC, UT
    Feb. 7, 2019 4:31 a.m.

    I guess we watched two different SOTU's.

    I was rather proud of our ladies in white. The president's pinball machine speech was difficult to listen to. Threatening congress never goes well.